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Re: [Alug]ALUG meeting in Norwich on Sunday
by Tristan Scott 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Syd Hancock wrote: > Hi tristan > > >>ill check out how i book a room sometime, an let you know. > > > That would be great. If you need advice, several people on the list > were at UEA and know the ropes. I checked. I cannot book a room in january until november or possible even december. they havent even got a calendar for Jan yet! > > HTH > Syd > > -- Tristan Scott Engineer 0800 computer Services Wenceslas House (Opp. Boundary pub) 355 Aylsham Road Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 0800 0185237 Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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[Alug]Reminder: Norwich Meeting NOT this week
by Syd Hancock 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Reminder that the October Norwich evening meet has been postponed for a week. Now takes place on thursday 15th October, 8pm The Forum coffee bar. Syd

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[Alug]Laptop thermal zones and pcmcia - forked from meetings thread
by Tristan Scott 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

this was in the meetings thread... > > >>maybe you can help me with my laptop. >>damn thermal zone isnt recognised in 2.6.0, so i can only turn >>the fan on flat out, or off (and overheat) btw, in 2.4.* you cant even turn the fan on - overheats in a few minutes. >> >>theres a dsdt patch for 2.4.18 which fixes it, but i cant work >>out how to apply it to the 2.6.0 kernel. >> >>it doesnt seem to use the same data structure? >>?:( <edit> Syd Hancock: > > Sorry, I have no idea at all, other than the obvious comment that > 2.4 and 2,6 kernels are very different. A message to the list may > get you some useful feedback as several people are testing versions > of 2.6 > > I have seen on the Thinkpad list that there are some builds > specifically for laptops (may be Thinkpad only?) which may help as > this may be an ACPI problem. Google for Andrew Morton's patches > e.g. 2.6.0-test6-mm1 (the mm suffix indicates that it is an Andrew > Morton patch). running 2.6.0-test6-mm. dosent help. got a new problem: my bootiful new cisco 352 802.11b pcmcia card will send....but not receive. same card works a different laptop. i can talk to the card, get model number, mac address etc etc but although it requests a dhcp lease, it ignores the response... if i manually assign, it will ping itself but merely drops the packets sent anywhere else. the hub reports it present (i turned off its mac address and it then logged warnings about it) - and YES i did turn it back on. -- Tristan Scott Engineer 0800 computer Services Wenceslas House (Opp. Boundary pub) 355 Aylsham Road Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 0800 0185237 Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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[Alug]Call For Help: bestmeat and refs web pages
by MJ Ray 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

Hi all, Alexis Lee has bowed out of editing the web site, so can you take over one of the two following pages that Alexis used to edit? http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/bestmeat.html - Suggesting "best of breed" applications, maybe should be updated to mention recent releases? http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/refs.html - Book list, still edited by Jenny, but I'm sure help/suggestions would be appreciated. If you can edit one of these, please send a short email to the list, then download the page, edit it and email the edited copy back to me. Thanks to Alexis for work in the past, including general site editing as well as these pages. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 06 Oct '03

06 Oct '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Microsoft foot-in-mouth again?
by Graham Trott 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

Just to get that warm feeling of superiority... "Microsoft has banned the cover-mounting of its software on magazines, and is advising users to go to its own web sites for updates instead. And apparently, it's all Sun's fault." http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33021.html -- GT

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[Alug]RE: +AFs-Alug+AF0-Bourne Grammar Open Day
by Jenny Hopkins 03 Oct '03

03 Oct '03

Ben Francis wrote: > no, I forgot. It didn't seem like anyone was interested either :P > > The open evening runs from 7:00pm - 9:00pm, Bourne Grammar > School, South > Road, Bourne, Lincolnshire. All welcome. > Ben, I would have been thoroughly interested in going if I had the time - little enough spare time being a full time working mum as it is - don't think we're not interested, though, I think it's a fantastic project and would have loved to come and see how it is going. Was there much interest from visitors? Jen

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Re: [Alug]Bourne Grammar Open Day
by Ben Francis 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

MJ Ray wrote: > On 2003-09-16 21:00:55 +0100 Ben Francis <ben(a)franci5.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > >> Confirmation of date and a more specific time to follow. > > > Did we get that? > no, I forgot. It didn't seem like anyone was interested either :P The open evening runs from 7:00pm - 9:00pm, Bourne Grammar School, South Road, Bourne, Lincolnshire. All welcome.

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[Alug]I am back
by Wayne Stallwood 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

After an impromptu house move, a computer damaged in transit and a change of ISP's My old mail address is now defunct, If any of you have that in your records please update accordingly., The Crimson Techology address is not affected. Kind Regards Wayne PS. Have I missed anything ?

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[Alug]Useful Info. Site
by Keith Watson 01 Oct '03

01 Oct '03

Has anyone here ever looked at a US based Linux support site called Linux Orbit <http://www.linuxorbit.com/> ? It has a useful list of 'HOWTOs', 'Mini-HOWTOs' and 'Quick Tips' (especially those related to Debian ;o) ) One in particular I mentioned at the meeting on Sunday is "GRUB in Debian HOWTO" <http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&r… iewarticle&artid=539&page=1> But be warned it's the sort of placed you go to to look at something specific and then spend hours checking out all sorts of goodies. Regards, Keith ____________ AIR, n. A nutritious substance supplied by a bountiful Providence for the fattening of the poor. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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[Alug]Meeting report - Norwich Sept 28th 2003
by Syd Hancock 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

The meeting in Norwich on sunday at the Billy Bluelight had a good turnout - 13 people in all - too many to list unless people insist! See photos on the page referenced below. I feel credit for the turnout is very much due to Mark for being willing to face the massed ALUG ranks and present a talk - thank you, Mark. Having a specific focus gives a different flavour to the meeting and is something I hope we can develop further next year. Mark's talk on the boot process was well-prepared and well-presented. It was accessible and informative for novices like myself while offering plenty of scope for debate, contributions and heckling from the floor :-) Lecture notes and summary are on the website here: http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2003/boothalt.html (as posted earlier by MJR - included here for furure reference) Later there was also some discussion of the library and general meeting planning. Sadly Kirsten was not able to bring any cakes this time but otherwise everything went very well. Syd

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[Alug]new addition to Alug library Linuxuser & developer magzine
by abower＠thebowery.co.uk 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Hi all, I just got home to discover 3 copies of Linuxuser and developer magazine (technical edition with coverdisc) sitting on my doorstep to be handed around the group (many thanks to LinuxUser http://www.linuxuser.co.uk ). It has a complete set of Redhat 9 on the coverdisc, articles include "how linux is revolutionising movie production" (shame they didn't feature the London production companies though) "can AMDs Opteron cope with Linux" "Getting a small business working online" etc. etc. Anyhow if you want one of these you can either come and pick it up from me in Cambridge (or arrange some kind of sneaker net to get them to you) or I will be at the next Norwich evening meeting (that is if the meeting is rescheduled for the 16th of October as I will be in London on the 9th for LinuxExpo. It would be good if we could get people who take copies to pass them on to other people who want them also in their local area so any alternative ideas on distributions would be welcome. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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[Alug]red hat installation help
by Kendall, Rob 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

Hi al, total Linux newbie.....am trying to install RH9, and am not getting very far. I have followed some instructions, but so far nothing is helping..... basically the system is.... compaq proliant dual PII 450 mhz(each cpu) 512mb ram on board graphics (1 meg....its a server!) (various scsi 120 gb hdds (x5)) winxp win2kserver spare partition for RH9 has compaq monitor, keyboard and mouse. when i put the cd1 in, the install starts. if i just hit enter, the anaconda installer starts, does hardware probing, gets past the monitor and hangs. If i do 'linux noprobe'...i select the correct scsi driver for hdds, then the anaconda installer starts, does hardware probing, and hangs! Someone has told me that some monitor types can hang the instal, but i know that the same setup as mine has had RH9 installed on it fine. I dont know what else to do....someone has suggested installing textual, but i dont know if im advanced enough to try! any other suggestions? thanks in advance Rob ******************************************************************************************** " This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Cap Gemini Ernst & Young Group. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message ". ********************************************************************************************

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[Alug]Re; Cathedral and Bazaar
by John Seago 30 Sep '03

30 Sep '03

I have this, however due to incapacity have not been to any meetings since, can you give me an address to get it to please? -- John Seago

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[Alug]Mandrake 9.0 and USB (not) printing - anyone?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

My sister-in-law is using Mandrake 9.0 and has just bought an Epson Stylus C44 which I have duly installed using the Mandrake Control Centre (or whatever they call it). It detected it correctly and it shows up in the KDE Control Centre correctly. It will not, however, print. No error messages in the CUPS logs and in the CUPS Management thingy the job just sits there in the queue although it lists the Epson C44 as idle and waiting for jobs. I even tried cat file.txt > /dev/usb/lp0 which also produced nothing. Any ideas, anyone, please! Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[Alug]Another spare (and free) magazine
by Syd Hancock 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

I completely forgot to bring this to the meeting yesterday but I have a spare copy of the current Linux Format (LXF45 October 2003) with cover CDs. Email me off list if you want it - I'm happy to pay the small postage costs. Syd

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[Alug]Basic Home Hardware Spec.
by Keith Watson 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Saw a letter in a magazine a while back asking what hardware people would get if they were setting up a budget home PC system for Windows and I wondered about the spec for a similar system for a GNU/Linux based system. So if you were setting up a budget GNU/Linux system consisting of; a 15" colour monitor, mouse, keyboard, colour printer, CD Writer, sound card & speakers, modem, what type of case, what motherboard, what processor, how much RAM, size and type of HD. What would you go for and where would you source the kit (as this is a budget system 2nd hand stuff can be considered e.g. eBay). As this is a budget system you need to think about the trade off between cost, performance, reliability, maintenance, functionality, etc. Keith ____________ MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

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[Alug]High End System Spec.
by Keith Watson 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

Following on from my last post, imagine you suddenly had unlimited cash to spend on PC kit, what would be your hardware spec for a dream GNU/Linux system for use at home. How many boxen? What would each one do? Where would you source the kit? Keith ____________ Old CM people never die, they just get archived and can be reproduced at any time. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.521 / Virus Database: 319 - Release Date: 23/09/2003

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[Alug]Magnatune, the open music record label
by Ben Francis 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

OK, so it's a little off topic, but I've just spotted this http://www.magnatune.com. Has anyone else heard of this site or the "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike" license their music is released under? I'd be really interested to know how some of the GPL gurus on this list think it compares to the GNU General Public License for software. Are music and software comparable in terms of freedom and distribution? Are there any obvious flaws in what they're trying to do? I'd really like to give support to this label, I may even submit some of my own music if I get a decent enough recording. One thing I'm not clear on is what happens when the music you pay to download from this site leaks onto P2P networks... surely 99% of people will dowload the music for free from Kazaa, Gnutella etc. and 1% will pay to download? Is it down to the listener whether or not they give any money and if so can the site survive on this basis? The following is from the web site: We're a record label. But we're not evil. We call it "try before you buy." It's the shareware model applied to music. Listen to hundreds of MP3'd albums from our artists. Or try our genre-based radio stations. If you like what you hear, buy our music online for as little as $5 an album or license our music for commercial use. Artists get a full 50% of the purchase price. And unlike most record labels, our artists keep their rights to their music. Founded by musicians, for musicians. No major label connections. We are not evil. What is "Open Music" ? Open Music is music that is shareable, available in "source code" form, allows derivative works and is free of cost for non-commercial use. It is the concept of "open source" computer software applied to music. All our music is available under the "Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike " license from Creative Commons to promote these goals. -- Ben "tola" Francis P.S. sorry if that was all too off topic for this list

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Sep '03

29 Sep '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Is anyone actually going to the meeting tomorrow?
by Syd Hancock 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

Is anyone intending to go to the meting tomorrow afternoon in Norwich? So far there has not been a single confirmation either to the list or by email. Perhaps i should cancel the room booking? Syd

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[Alug]Meeting pm 26-9-03
by David Crease 28 Sep '03

28 Sep '03

Syd wrote asking if anyone is going to this afternoon's meeting. I intend to be there, my second meeting after a period of about 3 years! I was under the impression from the mailings that it was fairly well susported. I hope to see lots of people there. David Crease

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[Alug]Postfix To Hotmail Problems
by Matt Parker 27 Sep '03

27 Sep '03

Hi all, Curious problem I've got here. Hotmail disconnects me from their mail server whenever I try an send an e-mail from my box. Anyone seen this problem or know of a solution. I've e-mail Hotmail but I guess it'll be a cold day in hell when I receive a reply... In the "info" log I get this:- Sep 26 18:15:45 ben postfix/smtpd[11085]: connect from fred.mpcontracting.co.uk[192.168.1.100] Sep 26 18:15:46 ben postfix/smtpd[11085]: 01CF23B4DE: client=fred.mpcontracting.co.uk[192.168.1.100] Sep 26 18:15:46 ben postfix/cleanup[11086]: 01CF23B4DE: message-id=<1064596424.2590.0.camel(a)fred.mpcontracting.co.uk> Sep 26 18:15:46 ben postfix/smtpd[11085]: disconnect from fred.mpcontracting.co.uk[192.168.1.100] Sep 26 18:15:46 ben postfix/nqmgr[2044]: 01CF23B4DE: from=<matt(a)mpcontracting.co.uk>, size=565, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Sep 26 18:16:27 ben postfix/smtp[11088]: 01CF23B4DE: to=<cowboy_bob500(a)hotmail.com>, relay=mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.252.99], delay=41, status=deferred (lost connection with mx1.hotmail.com[65.54.252.99] while sending MAIL FROM) Nothing in "errors" or "warnings". As you can see from the post to the list, my mail server is working just fine for everything else. Thanks, Matt

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[Alug]ALUG meeting in Norwich on sunday
by Syd Hancock 26 Sep '03

26 Sep '03

ALUG SUNDAY MEETING Next meeting in Norwich this coming weekend on sunday 28th September. 2pm onwards in the Nelson Room at The Billy Blue Light pub, Hall Road, Norwich. The Billy is at the city end of Hall road and is not far from the bus station, just off the inner ring road. I have not put detailed directions on the website but IMNSHO anyone with a bit of gumption should not have too much difficulty using a streetfinder map of Norwich (or online equivalent)! Bring extension leads etc if power is required as I don't yet know what sockets etc are available. Room hire is £15 so please bring a bit of spare change towards the costs. OTHER PLANNED MEETINGS Next Norwich sunday meeting is currently planned for the end of January 2004 - unless anyone fancies a get-together before xmas, perhaps in a pub or for a meal (or both combined). I'm just dropping this idea in for people to think about. Norwich monthly meetings continue on the second thursday of the month at the Forum coffee bar, 8pm. Regards Syd

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[Alug]Silly Question
by Tarquin Mills 24 Sep '03

24 Sep '03

Hi, I want to mount a DVD video in Linux but the disc is not recognised as UDF or ISO format. A DVD-ROM from PC Format mounts in ISO format but the Hitch Hiker DVD will not mount on the video side or the ROM side. Thanks in advance. -- Tarquin Mills Reboot Movement (An Anti-Wintel Campaign) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/reboot/

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