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[Alug]Software Patents /. story
by Paul Russell 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

There's a story on /. at the moment which talks about a letter sent by one John Salin to the USPTO regarding software patents. The author of this article suggests mentioning this to MEPs. Does anyone know enough about the way the anti-SP movement is run here in the UK to make this happen in a coordinated fashion? http://slashdot.org/articles/03/08/29/2136238.shtml?tid=155&tid=99 Paul -- Paul Russell work(a)paulrussell.org

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #14 - 5 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 30 Aug '03

30 Aug '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [SB] Linux Accessibility Event -19 November 2003 - Birmingham (fwd) (MJ Ray) 2. [Fsfe-uk] McCarthy report withdrawn (fwd) (MJ Ray) 3. [Alug]"From Boot to Halt" talk, Norwich sunday 28th September. (fwd) (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:36:46 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: My own Subject: [Alug Announce][SB] Linux Accessibility Event -19 November 2003 - Birmingham (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeremy.Ali(a)rnib.org.uk To: sb(a)mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [SB] Linux Accessibility Event -19 November 2003 - Birmingham Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:49:48 +0100 Hi I work for the Royal National Institute of the Blind in a role where I n= eed to facilitate access to computer systems by blind and partially sighted people in education and employment. *Generally* the need is to make a Windows desktop system accessible. We run an annual conference on technology for blind and partially sighted people where IT and disabilit= y professionals and users attend from many different countries. This year= we have a pre-conference workshop on Linux accessibility to blind and parti= ally sighted people. Details, and a link, follow. ...... "Linux Accessibility Step-by-Step - 10.00 - 16.00 Janina Sajka, Director - Technology Research and Development, American Foundation for the Blind, USA Overview of workshop This day long session will demonstrate the process of installing and configuring Linux for use by a blind individual. The current Red Hat distribution will be installed and augmented with speech and braille interfaces. Additional configuration will include Ethernet and modem bas= ed networking and ssh for secure remote login. The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALS) will be installed to support voice over IP, and Real media streaming, wav, MP3, and ogg creation and playback. Basic terminology will be covered, as well as the basics of installing, updating, and removing software using the Redhat Package Manager (rpm). Participants will be introduced to several available options for text editing, email, and web serving and browsing. In all cases the emphasis = will be on strategies for resolving problems and getting help using both the installed system and on line resources. Participants will receive a CD R= OM with applications and documentation. Anticipated audience Users, trainers and educators. Participants need not have any experience= of Linux (or Unix), but should be comfortable with basic computer concepts = and hardware. Price: =A3120 early bird (Until 1 October), =A3150 full price Further Information The venue will be: RNIB Conference Centre 58-72 John Bright Street Birmingham B1 1BN United Kingdom A buffet lunch will be provided with each workshop." ........ Info on pre-conference workshops can be found at http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/publ= ic_p reconfworkshops.hcsp and details of the Techshare conference itself (20-= 21 Nov) can be found at www.techshare.org.uk and the email contact is techshare(a)rnib.org.uk Cheers --Jeremy Ali, RNIB Education & Employment Centre, 58 - 72 John Bright Street, Birmingham B1 1BN, United Kingdom tel: +44 (0)121 665 4210 fax: +44 (0)121 665 4201 - NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this email's content. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and then delete the email and any attachments from your system. RNIB has made strenuous efforts to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any viruses which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. RNIB Registered Charity Number: 226227 Website: http://www.rnib.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:51:06 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: lugmaster(a)lug.org.uk, announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: My own Subject: [Alug Announce][Fsfe-uk] McCarthy report withdrawn (fwd) Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice and get ready to help with the next steps... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-08-28 16:52:29 +0100 From: Ciaran O'Riordan <ciaran(a)member.fsf.org> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] McCarthy report withdrawn The McCarthy report HAS been withdrawn! (forwarded mail at bottom) I've confirmed this with a phone call to the European Parliament Office in Ireland. They said that this happens when a directive is very contraversial or when too many amendments are proposed. The directive will go back to the committee stage for some more work, and a new version will go to the plenary on either 22nd of September, or early October. October is more likely. On the phone, she said that it is *definitely* withdrawn. This situation can be reversed but it's highly unlikely. we kick ass. ...and have more work to do :) Ciaran O'Riordan On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 02:42:24PM +0200, Sarah Sheil wrote: > we have received indications that the McCarthy report has been > withdrawn from next week's European Parliament agenda. No further > details at the moment but the most likely explanation is that it > requires further examination at committee level. > > best wishes > > > > Sarah Sheil > European Parliament Office in Ireland > 43 Molesworth Street > IRL - Dublin 2 _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:05:59 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Organization: My own Subject: [Alug Announce][Alug]"From Boot to Halt" talk, Norwich sunday 28th September. (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2003-08-26 20:24:06 +0100 From: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> Subject: [Alug]"From Boot to Halt" talk, Norwich sunday 28th September. At the last meeting it was suggested that we have the 'From Boot to Halt' talk at the next Norwich sunday meeting (2pm Sunday 28th September, Nelson Room, The Billy Bluelight, Hall road) MJR has offered to start it off: " I'm happy to give an overview/introduction talk (kernel startup, hand-off to init, types of init, runlevels, common tasks, that sort of thing) and present a poster on some aspect no-one else wants to do." It would be great if there are one or two other people who are willing to join in with information on other aspects of the boot process, especially anyone involved in development or doing any other "fun stuff with start-up and shutdown". An A3 or 2xA4 poster would be helpful too. Some useful and interesting topics would include ways to handle power management/UPS, particularly as more people move to using laptops. Something on APM/ACPI for example? Anyone who is interested, please respond either to the list or privately to either myself and/or Mark. In any event, the introductory talk on the boot process will take place at this meeting - further details and announcement to follow. Syd _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ *UPDATED* Kit for sale at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ads.html --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Norwich evening meet
by Syd Hancock 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

A small but perfectly formed gathering - Keith, Syd, Mark and Paul. Very interesting and enjoyable natter ensued. Because of many and various other monthly events (NPCUG, RUNG, PLUG), I propose that the meets be on the seconfd thursday of each month from now on. Next Norwich evening meet on thursday 10th July. Still some debate about the venue - to be confirmed. Regards Syd

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Re: [Alug]Mandrake 9.1 Problem
by Craig 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 12:21 Europe/London, mtm(a)cmp.uea.ac.uk wrote: >> Um...... are you sure it is X or just the window manager? >> > > I tried KDE and IceWM. The problem's still present so I assume > it's X. Sorry, guess I should have mentioned that. Then it is the graphic card.. what make? C

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[Alug]Debian BBQ?
by Syd Hancock 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Did it happen? Who went? What happened?

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RE: [Alug]External modem on laptop
by Jonathan Dye 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Jenny Hopkins wrote: > Hi list: > Any idea if you can plug a modem into a parallel port and expect it > to work? > > The laptop in question has but one serial port, which is > needed for the external mouse. The modem cable has a > double-end at the laptop end, with both a serial plug that > fits and a parallel that doesn't as it is the wrong gender. That'll be a 25 way serial port then not a parallel port. That's what they all used to look like until recently when they tend to all be 9 pin ones. Most of the pins in the 25 pin ones aren't used any more (or ever really especially for RS232). JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]External modem on laptop
by Jenny Hopkins 28 Aug '03

28 Aug '03

Hi list: Any idea if you can plug a modem into a parallel port and expect it to work? The laptop in question has but one serial port, which is needed for the external mouse. The modem cable has a double-end at the laptop end, with both a serial plug that fits and a parallel that doesn't as it is the wrong gender. Using a gender-bender and setting modem port to /dev/lp0 I got no response. Jen

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[Alug]RE Browser question
by tom potts 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

You will have to 'host' via apache or similar to avoid the other files. Or push everything down into another directory and call that as your start page! ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Browser URL question
by Edenyard 26 Aug '03

26 Aug '03

Because I often use my browser (Opera, Mozilla) for viewing pages that are stored locally, I set the URL of the home page to be file://localhost/home/gerald/ so that I get a display of that directory whenever the browser starts up. That works well enough for me, except that all of the hidden directories and files are shown at the top of the list and there are lots of them, which means that I have to scroll down quite a way to get to the things that I actually want to click at. Is there some sort of command or environmental variable that can be adjusted (in Opera/Mozilla or somewhere else) that keeps hidden things hidden in the browser's display of my home directory? Any ideas, please, anyone? Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]Port 135 probes
by Ian Douglas 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

Hi Folks, I have just checked my firewall log and found it packed full of Port 135 probes. It looks like they have been occurring two or three times per second from a wide variety of IP Addresses throughout all today. Have any other ALUGers been getting inundated with these probes as well? Ian.

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[Alug]Kinnison, etc (Ely meeting tonight)
by MJ Ray 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Much later than I had hoped (busy again today), here's a reminder that we're in the Cutter in Ely tonight from 1830 and the Fountain from 2000. I'm picking up a penguin and going now. Might see you at the station around quarter past, too. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at

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RE: [Alug]Apt-Get / Devel Packages
by Jonathan Dye 22 Aug '03

22 Aug '03

Keith Watson wrote: > How about this one though? Is it possible to do an apt-get upgrade on > one system (with a fast link) and just download the deb files and > then put them on a slower system and do the apt-get upgrade there > without it trying to download the lot a 2nd time? Have a look at apt-zip. You run apt-zip on the slow machine and it writes a script to download the required packages which you then take to the fast machine. After downloading the packages you take them to the slow machine and run apt-zip again to install them. It was originally written to use zip disks but you can now specify any storage location you want AFAIK. JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]Apt-Get / Devel Packages
by BenEBoy 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Evening all, I'm just playing with my new morphix install and was wondering if you lot could answer a couple of questions (one strange and one vague)? The strange question is whether it's possible to halt apt-get when it's downloading stuff without losing what's already been downloaded? Until I get hooked up with broadband I'm on a dialup with a 2 hour cutoff which sort of limits what I can download in that time. I'm just looking for a way around it... The vague question is that morphix doesn't install any of the header files so it's a bit of a bugger trying to compile anything from source. So far I've had to try googling 'stdio.h' or whatever to try and work out what package it's in. Can someone tell me some of the most likely dev packages I'll need (see, told you it was vague) or possibly a better way of locating them myself? ta muchly, BenE (This debian lark is much harder than compiling everything from scatch <g>)

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[Alug]Virgin Radio
by Wayne Stallwood 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Wow, I have just surfed over to http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html To pick up a music stream to listen to and I was greeted with this message "Hello, Linux user! Virgin Radio is available in your favourite MP3 player (and Real) - the other stations are just in Real format. You can download a Linux version of Real Player from Real.com. You can also listen to our Windows streams with Crossover." I think that is the first time I've seen browser/os detection on a website and it hasn't displayed a "Your not using IE6 on Windows XP, GO AWAY" message. What a nice change.

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[Alug]Summary: Elmswell, Revolution OS
by MJ Ray 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Please add to this... ALUG turned out at Elmswell (Thanks to Adam!) to watch "Debbie does Silicon Vall^W^W^W^W Revolution OS" (Thanks to Big John!) on the big screen at at (Thanks to Rob!). In the best cinema tradition, we assembled in the foyer, got our drinks and snacks (Thanks to Keith!) and then went into the auditorium. You can read a bit about the film itself on the web site, or you can ask those of us who were there about it. Afterwards, we had a bit of a chat about it, exchanged interesting tales (Fozzy, Barry, Keith) and dull ones (MJR) or just sat in a corner (Brett) and wondered: just when was Red Hat 5.1 released? Why didn't the guy in the penguin suit rugby-tackle Larry? How can we get free beer? Is 45 a good idea in a 30 zone? ;-) We also had a bit of a chat about what to do next. Ideas from the rest of the list are welcome, of course. Here or on IRC. * 1984 marks 20 years of the GNU project (the film reminded us of this), so how about a 20th birthday installfest in the new year? (March?) We could do a "mini-InstallFest" later this year for practice/testing. Need at least 10 installers to help. * Keith is interested in a Debian-themed meeting, maybe Syleham in November, as Big John is interested too and we can try to drag a developer kicking and screaming from Norwich. * Quite a few people are interested in a "from boot to halt" themed meeting explaining the boot process, shutdown process and so on. Just what do all those messages scrolling past actually *mean*? What causes them to do that? How do we change them? Perhaps we could have a short overview talk and some people taking aspects of this with posters so we can still play with kit. MJR is gullible enough to offer to help: who else? Is it possible to do this in Norwich? * Get our spare kit to people who have offered to hold kit (Colin?) * A Linux and Jam Tart Eating contest. (WTF? Eating Linux CDs?) * Sort out meeting transport and travel in groups. Encourage lurker members to come and swell our numbers. Organise further ahead to get more publicity. * The web site is really simple to add pages to now. Just download the file http://www.alug.org.uk/alug.html.template, copy it and edit with your favourite tool. Then upload it somewhere or send it to me. * Meet up at London Olympia Linux Expo in October? Next event is drinks in Ely on Thursday evening, not counting IRC tonight. Next weekend meeting that I know of is in Norwich in late September. See you there? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ *UPDATED* Kit for sale at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ads.html

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[Alug]Ian Murdoch on the Debian philosophy
by Syd Hancock 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Very interesting counter-view to 'commercial linux': http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3064611 "At LinuxWorld last week, a number of people asked me what Debian could do to make itself a more viable alternative to the commercial distributions in the enterprise market. That shouldn't be Debian's focus. The focus shouldn't be on following the commercial distributions where they want to lead us, but rather on taking the lead--for example, by working with and strengthening existing vendor-neutral, community-owned standards efforts such as the Linux Standard Base (LSB)." Also, a history of Debian by IM: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/editorials/4959/1/ "People often ask me what I would identify as Debian's most important contribution to the world. I believe it's Debian's decision to adopt a community-based development model. As far as I know, this marks the first time that a project intentionally set out to be developed by the community that used it. This is a central and critical component of the power of the open source movement--after all, if you remove the community from open source software, it's just software." Syd

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #13 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

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[Alug]Norwich sunday meeting 28th September 2pm
by Syd Hancock 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

The next Norwich sunday meeting will be on the 28th September at the Nelson Room, Billy Bluelight pub, city end of Hall road, 2-6 pm. I've booked the room unseen but AFAIK it should be fine - will take a look at it once back in Norwich next week. Syd

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

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[Alug]Re: Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much.
by Ben Norcutt 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

The bit that worries me about this story actually working in IT in a School is that it doesn't say that the Government will bulk buy licences it says the Government will bulk buy computer equipment with the licences to save Schools the licence costs. The Government bulk buying IT equipment is a joke. I also fail to see where they get this £70 from ours is £36.63 and even if we added the couple of titles not on our agreement this certainly wouldn't more than double the price. Cheers, Ben Norcutt

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[Alug]apologies (perhaps)
by BenE 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

I made the mistake last night of looking in my sent mail folder which automatically sorts any mail according to my filters, so all my mail I've sent here gets put in my 'alug' folder. Today, I accidently managed to send all the outgoing mail that has been frozen by exim in the past. So...I can't tell whether the deluge of mail from me in my alug folder is because of my messing up last night or today. If the rest of you have received a lot of old mail from me today then I apologise and I hope it won't happen again since I'm installing debian tmrw (well, morphix) and that should be better configured (hopefully). If you have no idea what I'm talking about then...ermm....apologies for this bit of spam... *bows* BenE --------------------------------- Love is all I bring, in me crass t-shirt 'n' ting

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[Alug]PsiLinux (Psion)
by MJ Ray 15 Aug '03

15 Aug '03

I think this was also mentioned yesterday: "PsiLinux is a project to port the unix-like operating system Linux to a group of palmtops produced by Psion, and related machines such as the Geofox One. At present, working linux systems can be installed." http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ Anyone using it? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: Edwin A Abbott wrote about trouble with Windows in 1884

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[Alug]Revolution OS at Elmswell on the 17th
by abower＠thebowery.co.uk 15 Aug '03

15 Aug '03

Hi people, Can I ask that if you are going to come to this meeting (or are just thinking about it) can you let me know so we have an idea of numbers? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #12 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 15 Aug '03

15 Aug '03

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