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[Alug]Adding "shutdown" to xdm
by dan.hatton＠btinternet.com 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

I haven't tried any of this, just found the instructions with a Google. An obvious difference between the command you tried directly, which worked, and the command in the script, which didn't, is the "2" in kill -9 $pid 2>/dev/null. I don't know what purpose, if any, it serves, and maybe you'd be better off without it. -- Dan

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[Alug]Adding "Shutdown" to xdm
by Ian Douglas 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

Hi Folks! I seem to remembmer someone on the list mentioning recently that it was possible to add a "Shutdown" button to the xdm login manager. Could someone remind me how to do this? Thanks, Ian.

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[Alug]Free conference places, LinuxUser & Developer, Birmingham, 24-26 June
by Alasdair G Kergon 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

Each UK LUG is offered 2 free places each day at next week's conference! http://www.linuxuserexpo.com/ But responses are needed TODAY, Tuesday 17th June. Please would someone from your LUG who reads this in time, co-ordinate a response, providing the LUG name, and for each person who wants to attend, their name, email address, and which days (Tues/Weds/Thurs). Max. 2 people per LUG per day. Alasdair -- agk(a)lug.org.uk *************************************************** * Response Form: Reply to amyscott(a)sedulous.co.uk * *************************************************** LUG Name: Name: Email: Days: Tues/Weds/Thurs [Repeat those 3 lines for each person attending] ******************************* The LinuxUser and Developer Conference, taking place next week (24-26 June) at the NEC in Birmingham, would like to offer each UK LUG two free tickets. These normally cost ?90+VAT each for the three days. Time is short, so please contact amyscott(a)sedulous.co.uk with the names of the individuals you would like to nominate for each day of the conference by the end of today, Tuesday. The full conference programme is available at http://www.linuxuserexpo.com Cheers Daniel James News + Web Editor LinuxUser & Developer http://www.linuxuser.co.uk

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[Alug]My Interests
by Sandy Hunter 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Many people describe themselves as 'newbies', my status goes beyond that. I have just acquired a very large book on linux, together with a rad hat distro and am currently wrestling with getting it to work ! I have successfully installed the operating system as a dual boot on my AMD 500mhz maching and am currently battling with making the machine communicate with the outside world. This ic complicated by the fact that my internet connection is Via a cable modem connected to a USB port - Help ! best regrds

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Re: [Alug]Moving a directory up one level
by Neil Marjoram 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Isn't it best to use a tar ? cd /olddirectory tar cvf - . | (cd /newdirectory ; tar xvf - ) Will put everything across and keep perms / times etc Neil. -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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[Alug]Adding sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
by Ian Douglas 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Hi Folks, I have recently installed Debian 3.0 but the only sources currently listed in my /etc/apt/sources.list are my installation CDs. I would like to add some sources from the internet so I can download security and program updates. Are there any particular sites ALUGers would recommend that I add to this source list? Thanks, Ian.

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[Alug]Moving a directory up one level
by Ian Douglas 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Hi folks, My hard disk has been getting rather full recently so I added a second disk yesterday to take some of the strain. Originally everything (apart from swap) was on /dev/hda5. I have installed the small new disk as /dev/hda and created a "/" and "/home" partitions on it and moved everything from hda5 onto these two partitions apart from /usr which remains on /dev/hda5 and now has room to expand a bit more as I install additional programs. Problem: I was going to mount /dev/hda5 on the new "/" as "/usr" but it has just occurred to me that the "usr" tree is actually still on /dev/hda5 as "/usr" rather than being in the top directory. I do not have enough free space on any of my petitions to use as a temporary holding area to copy the contents of the "/usr" while I move it up one level so I have temporarily got round this problem by mounting /dev/hda5 as "/old" on the new "/" and making the new "/usr" a symbolic link to "/old/usr" but was wondering if there was a simple way to shift the contents of "/usr" up one level on /dev/hda5? The PC boots and runs ok after tweaking fstab and lilo.conf; I am just interested in shifting usr to keep admin simple. Any suggestions welcome. Ian.

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Norwich evening meet this thursday confirmed.
by Syd Hancock 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Just a note to confirm that I have booked a room in the Royal British Legion Hall, Aylsham Road, Norwich for thursday evening 19th June from 8pm. There will be a formal announcement from MJR shortly but here is the basic info: It is called 'the TV room' and is immediately to your left as you enter the bar. The RBLH is on Aylsham road, on the right as you go out of Norwich, just over the brow of the hill after Drayton road. Parking available (may be limited though). If bringing kit that needs power, bring an extension lead as there seem to be very few power sockets. So, who's coming? And what kit do we intend to bring along? (Will investigate other possible venues in the next week or two). Syd

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[Alug]Linux 2003 Conference & Tutorials, Edinburgh, 31 July - 3 Aug
by Alasdair G Kergon 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

See below for details of this summer's linux conference in Edinburgh. Also, don't forget to register for the Linux User & Developer Exhibition at the Birmingham NEC, Tues 24 - Thurs 26 June: http://www.linuxuserexpo.com/ http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/ .org Village with representatives of UK LUGs and Tim O'Reilly's free talk in London on Mon 23rd June celebrating 25 years of O'Reilly books: http://www.ukuug.org/events/TimOReilly/ Alasdair ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux 2003 Conference & Tutorials, Edinburgh, 31 July - 3 Aug ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The UK Unix User Group's linux technical conference visits Edinburgh this year. It's a great way to broaden your knowledge and keep up-to-date with what's happening in the world of linux. Speakers include Jon 'maddog' Hall of Linux International and the new Debian Project Leader, Martin Michlmayr. The Edinburgh Linux User Group is helping with the preparations for the event, including the evening social programme. For further details please see http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/ Full-day Tutorials on Thursday 31st July ---------------------------------------- Inside the Linux Kernel - Stephen Tweedie (Red Hat) Python for Programmers - John Pinner & David Chan (Clockwork S/ware Syst.) Provisional Conference Programme: Friday 1st August - Sunday 3rd August ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Business and Applications Core Business Applications for GNU/Linux The Government Gateway and Linux New Breakthroughs in Linux Supercomputing How to Get an Open Source-related Business Funded in a Down Economy Not Fired for Buying Linux? Quirks of Open Source Adopters' worldviews Free and Open Source Software in the Health Service * Embedded Systems Debian on Handheld Computers Real Time/Embedded C on Linux: An Introduction PIC Programming with Open Source Tools Linux on the eLAP Mini-ITX * GUI Development and Applications KDE Development Kroupware Cross-Platform GUI Development with WxWindows * Kernel and Device Drivers Ugly Ducklings: Resurrecting unmaintained code RelayFS: Transmitting data from kernel to userspace Simple, Robust Software RAID for Linux 2.6 XFS IrCOMM2k: Porting Linux IrDA to the Windows Kernel * Networks and Security Layer 2 Networking Vulnerabilities Forensics Linux Packet Filtering: The Future CONESYS: The COntent NEtwork SYstem * Productivity Power Shell Usage: Bash Tips & Tricks * Project Management Managing Debian Portability from a Debian perspective Software for Open Communities * Software Development Extreme Linux Programming - A Continuum N things every programmer should know about signal handling Using buildfarms to improve code * Sound Sound Systems on Linux: The Past and the Future Sweep: Real-world audio editing on Linux * Systems Administration Mass Unattended Linux Installations Using GNU/Linux to Deliver Windows XP to the Desktop * Web Automated Website Synthesis Efficiency in the XML Era Including speakers from IBM, Novell, Red Hat, SuSE, HP, SGI, GBdirect If you book before 30th June you can take advantage of the Early Bird rates e.g. UKP 30 for the conference (50% discount) or UKP 12.50 for students. (If you're not already a UKUUG member, you'll need to add the membership fee to this.) Sponsors: Positive Internet, Perforce, SGI, Astaro Web: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/ Email: office(a)ukuug.org Tel: +44 1763 273 475

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[Alug]Re: TFT Panel
by Dan Beimborn 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

>> It strikes me that your VertRefresh should be 60.. unless your flat >> panel can really do 50-75? Manufacturers spec says: VIDEO INPUT Analog RGB Analog (75 ohms, 0.7/1.0 Vp-p) Digital DVI-D (TMDS, 100 ohms) Frequency f h : 30~82kHz, f v : 50~75Hz Hmm, just for grins try it at 60hz fixed, and see if that stabilizes it. To really fiddle about with it and optimize it, I'd still recommend xvidtune or advancemame's setup program to generate modelines. Once you have those set & working (and only those in your config) the variability should go away. So it sounds like your panel has a DVI but the video card doesn't? Maybe I need to sell you my Geforce 4 ti4200 and buy a radeon :) DB

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Re: [Alug]Trackball Problem (fwd)
by BenE 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

(whoops, sent this to just MJ and not alug) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:51:36 +0100 (BST) From: BenE <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> To: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug]Trackball Problem On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > BenE <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > as a 5 button mouse (I tried 4 button but it didn't like that *at all*) > > with buttons 4 & 5 set up as the Y axis. Also, to confuse matters I'm > > ZAxisMapping? Tried putting the numbers the other way around? What > xmodmap settings are you using? > Sorry, yes ZAxisMapping, not Y as I said. Swapping the numbers around has no effect. They still both behave as the 3rd mouse button. I'm using xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5". I'm going to give xbindkeys a try tmrw to see if that helps (I've been meaning to try it for a while. I'm using fluxboxs keymapping functionality and I plan to move away from fluxbox soon, so its a good idea). Thanks, BenE

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[Alug]Norwich meetings
by Tarquin Mills 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

Could we please change the dates of Norwich meetings from the third Thursday of the month as this the day RUNG meets. Also could another venue be picked. -- Tarquin Mills Reboot Movement (An Anti-Wintel Campaign) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/reboot/

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[Alug]TFT Panel
by Dan Beimborn 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

> Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Viewsonic VG191" > HorizSync 30.0-82.0 > VertRefresh 50-75 It strikes me that your VertRefresh should be 60.. unless your flat panel can really do 50-75? I have a whizzy hitachi DVI one that can do 60 or 70, but nothing in-between! DB

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[Alug]directory for backups
by Syd Hancock 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

I'm playing with our little home network, migrating some more functionality from windows to linux. I want to backup files from a couple of machines onto an area on my main linux box and I'm interested in opinions on best custom and practice. 1. Is it advisable to have a separate partition for the file-store area or is a separate partition sufficient? 2. Where should it be in the directory tree on the 'server' - as a subdirectory of /home or as a separate directory under / or elsewhere? 3. Are there any standard conventions for this? TIA Syd

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Re: [Alug]Linux and TFT panels
by Barry Samuels 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Thanks to the various people who responded. Wayne Stallwood said: > Have you set the HorizSync and VertRefresh rates in your config file > to those specified by the monitor manufacturer ? Yes I have Adam Bower said: > Thats along my lines of thought, most of the panels I have played > with have an > auto-adjust button that resizes the screen. Does yours have one, and > does it > work? Yes it does have one but I haven't tried it when the display is squashed. > Also if you turn the screen off and on again does that make it work? Yes. I hadn't though to try that but it does correct the problem. > Of course one other option is that can you get DVI output from your > graphics > card and into your screen also? I have a Matrox G400 which appears not to have a DVI output although the TFT panel does have a digital input. Dan Beimborn said: > Running xvidtune will help you create your exact modeline, and > strangely enough so will AdvanceMame video setup program. Once you > have that modeline in for your desktop resolution, it should always > work. I tried that but it made no difference. It could be that the line I added to XF86Config-4 wasn't correct. I reproduce the relevant sections below: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Viewsonic VG191" HorizSync 30.0-82.0 VertRefresh 50-75 #ModeLine "1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Matrox G400" Monitor "Viewsonic VG191" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" EndSubSection EndSection The modeline, now commented out, was the one xvidtune gave me. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[Alug]Macs
by Craig 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

At the moment, I am thinking about ditching my 3 months old laptop to get a ibook. Why? My housemate bought one last friday and it is _gorgeous_. Okay, that would be a bit of a understatement but I am using a imac at work on and off. But dang, I'm still impress with the ibook. Is it a smart move to ditch this laptop to switch over? Many people I have spoken to are doing this! If anyone on this mailing list is using OS X. Please convince me if I really want to make the switch. So far, I am really appealed by the o/s, battery life and most of all, it's unixy feel! ;) I'm interested to hear your thoughts! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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[Alug]Trackball Problem
by BenE 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I bought myself a Logitech Trackball yesterday (the confusingly called marble mouse), but am having a bit of trouble setting it up. Instead of a scroll wheel it has 2 buttons which are meant to act in the same way (one button scrolls up, the other down). As it stands currently the two scroll buttons act as middle mouse buttons but the scrolling doesn't work. My XF86 config file has the mouse set up as a 5 button mouse (I tried 4 button but it didn't like that *at all*) with buttons 4 & 5 set up as the Y axis. Also, to confuse matters I'm left handed, but I've solved that problem through judicious use of xmapmod (and my early attempts at playing with xmapmod (accidently) proved that I can get scrolling working, just not on the right buttons <g>) Can anyone offer any help please? (I'm using XFree86 4.1.2 (I think)) cheers, BenE

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Re: [Alug]Norwich meetings
by gt＠pobox.com 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Ian Bell <ian(a)redtommo.com> wrote : > On Wednesday 11 Jun 2003 7:36 am, Syd Hancock wrote: > > snip > > > > In the meantime: the next Norwich evening meeting will take place at > > the British legion Hall, Aylsham road, thursday 19th June from 8-11 > > pm. > > Unfortunately I won't be able to make this one. The dog goes in for major > surgery nest week so life is on hold. > > Ian > Neither will I, owing to being in Zhenzhou (central China) currently and for the next couple of weeks. But at least my hotel room has free 128k broadband. Reckon I ate the dog tonight for dinner. -- GT

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[Alug]Samba LDAP
by Andy Trevor 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Hi, I am looking for some help with setting up a Samba PDC using LDAP to authenticate I have a working LDAP server that can authenticate unix users Samba users can authenticate using smbclient ok I am having real problems getting the Windows 2000 clients to join the samba domain Any help will be much appreciated Thanks Andy

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Re: [Alug]Linux and TFT panels
by Dan Beimborn 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I run on a flat panel with a DVI and it's always rock-solid, but I recall at my last job a number of the workstations we had needed to have the refresh rate set in XF86Config so that there was only one choice, 60hz. From messing around with running Linux on arcade monitors (no, really!) I can tell you that the image not being centered like that is quite likely a timing issue. Running xvidtune will help you create your exact modeline, and strangely enough so will AdvanceMame video setup program. Once you have that modeline in for your desktop resolution, it should always work. A second complication I had that was similar was with my laptop- it supports a key combination to use the external display, which is somewhat confusion to X. Basically, you had to start it either on the local, on the secondary, or on both displays. Setting it to external only would result in it sometimes "Remembering" the higher refresh rate, causing my display to go off to the right of the screen just like you describe! SO my advice is to try to make sure your XF86Config *only* allows the correct refresh rate, and make it be one that you have centered as best you can using xvidtune or AdvanceMame's video mode generator. DB

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[Alug]Re: Linux and TFT
by richard 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I'm running a laptop system and once had problems with a text based installer (for Debian 3.0). I found an option in my BIOS to 'stretch output to fit screen' (or something along those lines. I don't know whether a similar BIOS option might be available but it fixed my problem. Rich. > I have just replaced my monitor with a TFT panel. > When X is started (I have changed XF86Config-4 appropriately) the > image > will sometimes appear perfectly positioned but at other times the > right-hand edge of the image appears in the centre of the screen with > the rest disappearing off the left edge and the image looks a little > distorted. If I then switch to a text console and back to the > graphics console the image is displayed correctly. > I have never seen this with my old monitor neither does it happend on > my laptop (TFT screen). Can anyone suggest why it should happen? > Barry Samuels > http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk > The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[Alug]Linux and TFT panels
by Edenyard 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

Barry Samuels wrote: > > I have just replaced my monitor with a TFT panel. > ...then Adam Bower wrote: > > Thats along my lines of thought, most of the panels I have played with have an > auto-adjust button that resizes the screen. Does yours have one, and does it > work? Also if you turn the screen off and on again does that make it work also? > For what it's worth, my experience with Linux and TFTs got off to a very frustrating start. My Linux box runs SLackware 8.1 and has an ATI AGP video card identified as 'ATI 3D Pro Turbo' which I'd managed to set up quite nicely with my Dell 15" CRT monitor and everything seemed to work well - even the screen blanking after about 15 minutes. When I received an LG Flatron 1510S LCD to try on extended loan, I read its book, set the vertical rate to 60Hz for all modes as suggested and was met with a blank screen on starting X. I tried every combination of settings I could think of, but it wouldn't have it. Eventually, I swapped my XF86 config file for one provided by Slackware called XF86config-fbdev, which I think uses a plain VESA driver. At last pictures, but that's about all. Now the screen blanking doesn't work in X at all and there's a curious effect when the screen tries to blank in non-X working: the normal white text blanks, but any highlighted text (e.g., in 'man' pages) remains displayed - very odd. I also had problems when I tried to use the Flatron LCD to install Suse 8.1 on a friend's PC. No matter what settings I tried, the image on the screen would flash on and off every 1 or 2 seconds while X was running. Eventually I gave up and used a CRT monitor for the rest of that installation job. I know that that particular PC installation has been used since with a Philips LCD without any apparent problems, so maybe Flat Ron hasn't quite got the hang of something! Maybe not all LCDs are equal? The LG Flatron 1510S has one of those autoselect buttons mentioned by Adam, but I find that it generally manages to hit a setting that's far from optimal, especially when working at less than its maximum 1024x768 resolution. That applies equally in Linux and also in DOS, which is where I spend most of my working hours. I've found that the best way to set the clock and phase settings on the LCD is to display a screen full of very small dots (the 'grid' on a CAD programme works very wellfor this) and then adjust 'clock' and 'phase' to remove any visible interference patterns visible between the grid structure and the LCD's dot structure. If you get these settings wrong, some vertical lines (depending on where on the screen they fall) get smeared horribly across several of the LCD's pixels - useless for CAD! Interestingly, when I tried the Knoppix CD (kindly provided by Adam) on my box, it ran up, detected my video card and LCD and managed to set the correct parameters first time using an ATI driver. And it managed to pick a good-looking smaller than normal font for the text display whilst booting up - something I've never succeeded in doing with Slackware. All I told Knoppix was that the vertical rate should be 60Hz at the boot prompt. Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]Linux and TFT panels
by Barry Samuels 13 Jun '03

13 Jun '03

I have just replaced my monitor with a TFT panel. When X is started (I have changed XF86Config-4 appropriately) the image will sometimes appear perfectly positioned but at other times the right-hand edge of the image appears in the centre of the screen with the rest disappearing off the left edge and the image looks a little distorted. If I then switch to a text console and back to the graphics console the image is displayed correctly. I have never seen this with my old monitor neither does it happend on my laptop (TFT screen). Can anyone suggest why it should happen? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[Alug]Compiling kernel and modules
by Barry Samuels 11 Jun '03

11 Jun '03

I have compiled kernels many times but it has just occurred to me that after compiling and installing the new modules they are now running under the current (old) kernel until the new kernel is booted. How long could this situation go on without causing problems? Would it cause problems at all? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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