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[Alug]Linux 2003 Conference & Tutorials, Edinburgh, 31 July - 3 Aug
by Alistair Riddell 23 Jun '03

23 Jun '03

The 2003 UKUUG Linux technical conference is taking place in Edinburgh, Scotland from the 31 July to the 3 August 2003. The deadline for early-bird rates offering up to 50% off conference fees is 30th June so be sure to book your place before then. Highlights of the conference include over 30 speakers including Jon 'maddog' Hall of Linux International, the new Debian Project Leader, Martin Michlmayr and optional full-day tutorials including "Inside the Linux Kernel" by Stephen Tweedie of Red Hat. For full details see http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/ Sponsors: Positive Internet, Perforce, SGI, Astaro -- Alistair Riddell - BOFH

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 23 Jun '03

23 Jun '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]toshiba CDT440 install problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 22 Jun '03

22 Jun '03

Hi all: I enjoyed my first go at installing woody on laptop with no cdrom drive yesterday :-) The floor was littered with hurled floppies by the time I went to bed. I ground to a halt at installing the base system, however. I installed the kernel modules ok, then configured the pcmcia.conf file on console 2 to use my network card and the pcnet_cs driver. This resulted in the two high beeps and lsmod showing pcnet_cs ok. I then configured the network to use eth0 and gave it the appropriate addresses etc. So then I tried to use the network to install the base system, but I can't get eth0 interface up. All the right info is there that I think it should have, but no eth0. Bah. Incidentally, I loaded into ramdisk0 and root fs is currently mounted on /[some-dir-I've-forgotten-the-name-of]. Can anyone think of anything I should be looking for? Interfaces file is in /etc/pcmcia/network. loopback is working. Ta, Jen

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Re: [Alug]Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 22 Jun '03

22 Jun '03

Neil Marjoram wrote: >I would like to start with a clearly well worded and clearly >demonstrable case to remove MS Office in our schools in favor of Open >Office for each MP in our area (Saving Money in education wins votes!) >It should also be a short non technical non bias paper (if we can be non >bias!). Then lets go for the jugular latter with Linux instead of >Windows (think we need a few more revisions before we have good >desktop). > >I'll go for a draft, but my English and spelling are crap - anyone like >to take up this challenge? Neil - you write a draft and I'll spell check and tweak words a bit, if you like. Jen

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Re: [Alug]Re: Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much
by Ben Francis 22 Jun '03

22 Jun '03

> > The downside for your school may be cost as in replacing old servers, and > paying my time. It depends on their budget. Very quickly, because of > reliability and lack of hassle, it becomes cost effective, of course, and the > licencing fees are nice! > Thanks for the offer but I'm afraid paying someone to set it up for us is out of the question. Firstly we simply can't afford it and secondly we'd be missing out on the experience ourselves. Any advice would be welcome though.

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[Alug]thin client
by Laurie Brown 22 Jun '03

22 Jun '03

Is there anyone in the LUG with some Linux-based thin-client expertise willing and able to talk to me? I have a pretty large potential customer. Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Alug]Kmail config files
by Syd Hancock 21 Jun '03

21 Jun '03

I am moving a Kmail 1.4 to another machine. The folder Mail in my home directory holds all the messages but I cannot find the location of the config files. I expected to find a 'dot' file in the home directory such as .kmail or something similar but no such luck. Does anyone know the location of the files holding all the Kmail config information? TIA Syd

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[Alug]Open Source penetrates the Leagl market!
by Tony Dietrich 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

Given the subjects we've seen on here lately, I though you guys might be interested in the news that the Legal profession seem to be picking up on Linux now .... We've just had a firm order for a network of 12 systems from a small-medium sized firm of solicitors in Kent, mostly on Linux o/s, including desktop systems for the staff. One of the reasons they've crossed the divide is that they reckon they are laying themselves open to claims that the data on their systems may not be secure against intrusion, despite Redmond's denial that they would ever use the rights they claim in their EULA for that purpose. The fact that the staff had a go at a demonstration system, and wanted to switch to Linux was a boost as well :-) The fact that the firm reckons they'll save considerably on TCO helped too, as did the fact that losing the os software costs meant that the project could be brought in for £5k less than if they'd opted for MS. -- Tony Dietrich <td(a)transcc.co.uk> Transoft Computer Consultancy Ltd. -- Tony Dietrich <td(a)transoft.demon.co.uk> Transoft Computer Consultants

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #8 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: ALUG Meeting: 19 June 2003, Norwich (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:37:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG Meeting: 19 June 2003, Norwich [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.7 : Norwich: The Royal British Legion Hall, Aylsham Road, Norwich 19 June 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. The room is immediately to your left as you enter the bar and is known as 'the TV room'. If you are bringing any equipment that requires mains power bring an extension lead as there seem to be very few electrical sockets. People at the meeting So far, Syd, Paul and MJR are confirmed, while various others are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [3]use the mailing list. [4]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [5]Join ALUG 2. [6]FAQ 3. [7]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [8]Peterborough 2. [9]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [10]PHP4Hosting 2. [11]Black Cat Networks 3. [12]Martyn Drake 4. [13]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [14]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 4. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 8. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 9. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 11. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 12. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 13. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 14. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]Norwich meet this evening
by Syd Hancock 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Just a quick reminder - thursday 19th June (today) at the RBLH (Royal British Legion Hall), Aylsham Road, Norwich. 8-11pm in 'the TV room' immediately to your left as you enter the bar. Should be some sort of sign on the door ranging from a scrawled note to a multi-coloured Tux poster. Hope to see a few people there? Syd

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[Alug]Web cam
by John Woodard 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Can anyone reccomend a Linux friendly webcam for use with Gnomemeeting. Usb 1.1 any suggestions? Also what other webcam apps are worth looking at? Cheers, BJ

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[Alug]Alug library
by Adam Bower 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Hi all, I got some books from O'Reilly last week for us to review, If you would like a copy of a particular book then please mail the list to say so. The one thing you have to consent to doing (apart from promising to look after the book and return it when someone else wants it) is writing a review that I can return to O'Reilly so that they will be prepared to send more review copies in future. Unfortunatly I will not be able to make the meeting tomorrow night as I have other commitments, although if you want to collect books from me then I live in Cambridge. I will also be at the next weeked meeting although I currently have that down as the 17th of August in Syleham courtesy of Big John. (not including tomorrows meeting and further Norwich evening meetings) If anyone has a venue for July (or i have forgotten Julys meeting) can they please step forwards? One possibiliy for the next meeting would be a showing of the Revolution OS DVD, so somewhere with a projector or large tele screen would be really great. Revolution OS website here > http://www.revolution-os.com/ Anyhow the books currently available in the Alug library are (this will be online soon, I just need to get a box built and hosted to put the library system on) Building Embedded Linux Systems Learning Red Hat Linux (3rd edition) Using Samba (2nd edition) Linux server hacks Free as in freedom The Cathedral and the Bazaar The root of all evil (user friendly) Anyhow if you want one of these books or can help with a venue for next month (or remind me where Julys weekend meeting venue is) then I would be very greatful. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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[Alug]Adding "shutdown" to xdm
by dan.hatton＠btinternet.com 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

I haven't tried any of this, just found the instructions with a Google. An obvious difference between the command you tried directly, which worked, and the command in the script, which didn't, is the "2" in kill -9 $pid 2>/dev/null. I don't know what purpose, if any, it serves, and maybe you'd be better off without it. -- Dan

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[Alug]Adding "Shutdown" to xdm
by Ian Douglas 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

Hi Folks! I seem to remembmer someone on the list mentioning recently that it was possible to add a "Shutdown" button to the xdm login manager. Could someone remind me how to do this? Thanks, Ian.

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[Alug]Free conference places, LinuxUser & Developer, Birmingham, 24-26 June
by Alasdair G Kergon 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

Each UK LUG is offered 2 free places each day at next week's conference! http://www.linuxuserexpo.com/ But responses are needed TODAY, Tuesday 17th June. Please would someone from your LUG who reads this in time, co-ordinate a response, providing the LUG name, and for each person who wants to attend, their name, email address, and which days (Tues/Weds/Thurs). Max. 2 people per LUG per day. Alasdair -- agk(a)lug.org.uk *************************************************** * Response Form: Reply to amyscott(a)sedulous.co.uk * *************************************************** LUG Name: Name: Email: Days: Tues/Weds/Thurs [Repeat those 3 lines for each person attending] ******************************* The LinuxUser and Developer Conference, taking place next week (24-26 June) at the NEC in Birmingham, would like to offer each UK LUG two free tickets. These normally cost ?90+VAT each for the three days. Time is short, so please contact amyscott(a)sedulous.co.uk with the names of the individuals you would like to nominate for each day of the conference by the end of today, Tuesday. The full conference programme is available at http://www.linuxuserexpo.com Cheers Daniel James News + Web Editor LinuxUser & Developer http://www.linuxuser.co.uk

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[Alug]My Interests
by Sandy Hunter 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Many people describe themselves as 'newbies', my status goes beyond that. I have just acquired a very large book on linux, together with a rad hat distro and am currently wrestling with getting it to work ! I have successfully installed the operating system as a dual boot on my AMD 500mhz maching and am currently battling with making the machine communicate with the outside world. This ic complicated by the fact that my internet connection is Via a cable modem connected to a USB port - Help ! best regrds

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Re: [Alug]Moving a directory up one level
by Neil Marjoram 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Isn't it best to use a tar ? cd /olddirectory tar cvf - . | (cd /newdirectory ; tar xvf - ) Will put everything across and keep perms / times etc Neil. -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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[Alug]Adding sources to /etc/apt/sources.list
by Ian Douglas 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Hi Folks, I have recently installed Debian 3.0 but the only sources currently listed in my /etc/apt/sources.list are my installation CDs. I would like to add some sources from the internet so I can download security and program updates. Are there any particular sites ALUGers would recommend that I add to this source list? Thanks, Ian.

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[Alug]Moving a directory up one level
by Ian Douglas 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Hi folks, My hard disk has been getting rather full recently so I added a second disk yesterday to take some of the strain. Originally everything (apart from swap) was on /dev/hda5. I have installed the small new disk as /dev/hda and created a "/" and "/home" partitions on it and moved everything from hda5 onto these two partitions apart from /usr which remains on /dev/hda5 and now has room to expand a bit more as I install additional programs. Problem: I was going to mount /dev/hda5 on the new "/" as "/usr" but it has just occurred to me that the "usr" tree is actually still on /dev/hda5 as "/usr" rather than being in the top directory. I do not have enough free space on any of my petitions to use as a temporary holding area to copy the contents of the "/usr" while I move it up one level so I have temporarily got round this problem by mounting /dev/hda5 as "/old" on the new "/" and making the new "/usr" a symbolic link to "/old/usr" but was wondering if there was a simple way to shift the contents of "/usr" up one level on /dev/hda5? The PC boots and runs ok after tweaking fstab and lilo.conf; I am just interested in shifting usr to keep admin simple. Any suggestions welcome. Ian.

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Norwich evening meet this thursday confirmed.
by Syd Hancock 16 Jun '03

16 Jun '03

Just a note to confirm that I have booked a room in the Royal British Legion Hall, Aylsham Road, Norwich for thursday evening 19th June from 8pm. There will be a formal announcement from MJR shortly but here is the basic info: It is called 'the TV room' and is immediately to your left as you enter the bar. The RBLH is on Aylsham road, on the right as you go out of Norwich, just over the brow of the hill after Drayton road. Parking available (may be limited though). If bringing kit that needs power, bring an extension lead as there seem to be very few power sockets. So, who's coming? And what kit do we intend to bring along? (Will investigate other possible venues in the next week or two). Syd

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[Alug]Linux 2003 Conference & Tutorials, Edinburgh, 31 July - 3 Aug
by Alasdair G Kergon 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

See below for details of this summer's linux conference in Edinburgh. Also, don't forget to register for the Linux User & Developer Exhibition at the Birmingham NEC, Tues 24 - Thurs 26 June: http://www.linuxuserexpo.com/ http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/ .org Village with representatives of UK LUGs and Tim O'Reilly's free talk in London on Mon 23rd June celebrating 25 years of O'Reilly books: http://www.ukuug.org/events/TimOReilly/ Alasdair ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux 2003 Conference & Tutorials, Edinburgh, 31 July - 3 Aug ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The UK Unix User Group's linux technical conference visits Edinburgh this year. It's a great way to broaden your knowledge and keep up-to-date with what's happening in the world of linux. Speakers include Jon 'maddog' Hall of Linux International and the new Debian Project Leader, Martin Michlmayr. The Edinburgh Linux User Group is helping with the preparations for the event, including the evening social programme. For further details please see http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/ Full-day Tutorials on Thursday 31st July ---------------------------------------- Inside the Linux Kernel - Stephen Tweedie (Red Hat) Python for Programmers - John Pinner & David Chan (Clockwork S/ware Syst.) Provisional Conference Programme: Friday 1st August - Sunday 3rd August ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * Business and Applications Core Business Applications for GNU/Linux The Government Gateway and Linux New Breakthroughs in Linux Supercomputing How to Get an Open Source-related Business Funded in a Down Economy Not Fired for Buying Linux? Quirks of Open Source Adopters' worldviews Free and Open Source Software in the Health Service * Embedded Systems Debian on Handheld Computers Real Time/Embedded C on Linux: An Introduction PIC Programming with Open Source Tools Linux on the eLAP Mini-ITX * GUI Development and Applications KDE Development Kroupware Cross-Platform GUI Development with WxWindows * Kernel and Device Drivers Ugly Ducklings: Resurrecting unmaintained code RelayFS: Transmitting data from kernel to userspace Simple, Robust Software RAID for Linux 2.6 XFS IrCOMM2k: Porting Linux IrDA to the Windows Kernel * Networks and Security Layer 2 Networking Vulnerabilities Forensics Linux Packet Filtering: The Future CONESYS: The COntent NEtwork SYstem * Productivity Power Shell Usage: Bash Tips & Tricks * Project Management Managing Debian Portability from a Debian perspective Software for Open Communities * Software Development Extreme Linux Programming - A Continuum N things every programmer should know about signal handling Using buildfarms to improve code * Sound Sound Systems on Linux: The Past and the Future Sweep: Real-world audio editing on Linux * Systems Administration Mass Unattended Linux Installations Using GNU/Linux to Deliver Windows XP to the Desktop * Web Automated Website Synthesis Efficiency in the XML Era Including speakers from IBM, Novell, Red Hat, SuSE, HP, SGI, GBdirect If you book before 30th June you can take advantage of the Early Bird rates e.g. UKP 30 for the conference (50% discount) or UKP 12.50 for students. (If you're not already a UKUUG member, you'll need to add the membership fee to this.) Sponsors: Positive Internet, Perforce, SGI, Astaro Web: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2003/ Email: office(a)ukuug.org Tel: +44 1763 273 475

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[Alug]Re: TFT Panel
by Dan Beimborn 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

>> It strikes me that your VertRefresh should be 60.. unless your flat >> panel can really do 50-75? Manufacturers spec says: VIDEO INPUT Analog RGB Analog (75 ohms, 0.7/1.0 Vp-p) Digital DVI-D (TMDS, 100 ohms) Frequency f h : 30~82kHz, f v : 50~75Hz Hmm, just for grins try it at 60hz fixed, and see if that stabilizes it. To really fiddle about with it and optimize it, I'd still recommend xvidtune or advancemame's setup program to generate modelines. Once you have those set & working (and only those in your config) the variability should go away. So it sounds like your panel has a DVI but the video card doesn't? Maybe I need to sell you my Geforce 4 ti4200 and buy a radeon :) DB

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Re: [Alug]Trackball Problem (fwd)
by BenE 15 Jun '03

15 Jun '03

(whoops, sent this to just MJ and not alug) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:51:36 +0100 (BST) From: BenE <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> To: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug]Trackball Problem On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > BenE <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > as a 5 button mouse (I tried 4 button but it didn't like that *at all*) > > with buttons 4 & 5 set up as the Y axis. Also, to confuse matters I'm > > ZAxisMapping? Tried putting the numbers the other way around? What > xmodmap settings are you using? > Sorry, yes ZAxisMapping, not Y as I said. Swapping the numbers around has no effect. They still both behave as the 3rd mouse button. I'm using xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 4 5". I'm going to give xbindkeys a try tmrw to see if that helps (I've been meaning to try it for a while. I'm using fluxboxs keymapping functionality and I plan to move away from fluxbox soon, so its a good idea). Thanks, BenE

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[Alug]Norwich meetings
by Tarquin Mills 14 Jun '03

14 Jun '03

Could we please change the dates of Norwich meetings from the third Thursday of the month as this the day RUNG meets. Also could another venue be picked. -- Tarquin Mills Reboot Movement (An Anti-Wintel Campaign) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/reboot/

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