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[Alug]Debian on Steroids?: Libranet 2.7
by Keith Watson 19 May '03

19 May '03

Just read a review of Libranet 2.7 <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6358>. Has anyone here tried it? Keith ____________ Say nothing and saw wood. Vermont Saying

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[Alug]Beginner's problems
by Peter Lumb 19 May '03

19 May '03

Hello everyone for the first time. My reason for joining is that I have been a Microsoft user for many years and, prior to that, I built my own computers even before Clive Sinclair brought out the ZX80! Linux at first sight looks more interesting than Windows though it appears to be more complicated to get started. Hence my first question. The way I start an internet connection is to open Mozilla , press the configure network icon and press activate. The connection is made but there is no indication of what is happening as there is with Explorer. I therefore have no idea if and when the connection is made. Sound output is connected to another device so I cannot hear any tones. Must I disconnect this and rely on sound to know what is going on or is there another way? I thought I had found the answer with modem lights. I have the icon on the panel but cannot make it do anything. Any suggestions? You asked for the sort of problems beginners have so here is mine. Peter

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[Alug]SCO's code is where then?
by Neil Marjoram 19 May '03

19 May '03

Does anyone know where the phantom SCO source code is in linux then? Of course we all know it's micro$oft that is pushing this, they need a legit legal way to stop linux before they get pushed out by superior code. Neil. -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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[Alug]Microsoft to license Unix Code
by Craig 19 May '03

19 May '03

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1007528.html?tag=fd_top -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 May '03

19 May '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]syleham
by jenny 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hullo, still intending to come to Syleham but will be pretty late. Jen

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[Alug]Network Cables
by Jamie French 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hi Guys, Hope this OK, I have about 110 1m > 1.5m CAT5 patch cables all branded Alcatel up for grabs. They have been used, though in good condition. Basically name your price and buyer collects. I have some more goodies later on :) Take Care, Jamie

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[Alug]Norwich evening meeting for June
by Syd Hancock 17 May '03

17 May '03

Preliminary announcement: I am suggesting that the Norwich evening meets take place regularly on the third thursday of each month at 8pm. Therefore, the next meet would be on June 19th. I am going to try and find a venue where we can set up gear as well as be comfortable and get coffee, beer etc (such as the British Legion Hall - but there may be somewhere more central). If not then the Forum will be OK I think. Any comments? Syd

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[Alug]Samba problem .. any gurus out there?
by Tony Dietrich 17 May '03

17 May '03

I've just used webmin to set up a Samba share to test some users' MSWin98 machines that need to be able to use a server share The server seems to start normally, but .... 1/ When running (on the same machine as the Samba server) [root@***** samba]# smbclient -L server -W TRANSOFT -N added interface ip=192.168.0.1 bcast=192.168.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE 2/ Any attempt to connect to the Samba server by mapping a drive(f: => \\gate\homes ) on the Win98 machine from Network Neighbourhood results in an Error 'Invalid Password'...... All systems running Win98 are set to the same workgroup, normal network connectivity is fine, the Samba server is set to the *same* workgroup, and shares on the network can actually see each other ... just not the server shares. -- Tony Dietrich Transoft Computer Consultants 07769710115

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[Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Ben Francis 17 May '03

17 May '03

I have a redhat box here at home with no XWindows running. When I installed redhat it could pretty much automatically connect to my dialup internet connection through my Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing across my home LAN as soon as I plugged it into my hub, I don't know how it does this. I mainly use the box to ssh coonect to other linux shells across the internet. However, about 1 in 3 boots on the redhat box result in the message "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I attempt to ssh connect. The only way I've been able to find to get it to see the internet is to reboot it. Surely there' must be an easy way of showing it where the internet connection is without having to reboot! I would set up the internet dialup on the linux box and connect the three XP boxes in the house to it, but I only have a winmodem and as I'm hopefully getting broadband soon it's not really worth the hastle. While I mention broadband, a slightly off topic question. My local telphone exchange gets ADSL enabled on June 4th but in a couple of months a local company starts "trials" of WiFi internet access based on 802.11g with at least a 10 meg connection for around the same price as ADSL! Do you think I should go for ADSL or wait and risk connecting to the fast, but new service which could be unreliable? I'd like to get a short term ADSL contract until I see how the service pans out, but I can't afford the hardware for both as I want to use a router or an access point for my network, not an ADSL "modem" or Wireless Card. What do you think? Regards Ben Francis

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[Alug]Re: main digest, Vol 2 #139 - 18 msgs
by David Cartwright 16 May '03

16 May '03

>Ok: wrt ADSL and static IP addresses: true enough (unless you can find a >cable provider that does static, I'm not aware of any), but anything that >*requires* static IP probably shouldn't be on the end of an ADSL line >anyway. There are plenty of dynamic dns services out there, which resolve >this particular problem neatly. Oh, I dunno. ADSL is stable enough to host things like secondary DNSs, secondary mail servers and that kind of thing. This gives me the ability to have secondary services of this type that I own and control without the need to pay expensive hosting charges. Mine has been up for months and seems extremely stable (he says, tempting fate :-). On the dynamic DNS front, it can be a pain if (for instance) you want the firewall in your main hosting centre to trust connections coming from your home office, but your IP address keeps changing. This said, there are solutions to this problem, such as using VPN connectivity instead of trust arrangements (which adds the benefit of encryption, of course). D.

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[Alug]re: costs
by w0037109 16 May '03

16 May '03

Back to costs again! A couple of people asked me where to go to get the free jiffy bags and coasters, so rather than reply individually, I'm posting it via the group. As you may know, technet costs a bit, but if you take the time and effort to apply for the stuff yourself, you can have a constant flow of jiffy bags! http://www.microsoft.com/uk/technet/preview/evaluation.asp If that stops working ('cos it moves occasionally so people don't keep bookmarking it) use the left navigation bar on the microsoft.co.uk site and goto the menu marked product families > windows > product overview. On the right hand side is a "windows XP business Evaluation pack" which takes you to tech net site (odd that) and there is an "additional resources" menu on the right. Click "order trial products" and you're away! Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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Re: [Alug]Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Andybenn＠aol.com 16 May '03

16 May '03

My two-pennyth - << If this were a normal tax, paid for the general good of the country, it would fund all the materials for education, wouldn't it? Or are we just using taxes to redistribute intellectual property? >> Taxes are a gift to the government! Once we are parted from our money we should, in the spirit of all gifts, be prepared to say goodbye to it forever ;-) Andy

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[Alug]re: costs
by w0037109 16 May '03

16 May '03

well, if you want to save a bit of cash I can tell you where to get free padded envelopes from the enemy! It's easy. Just goto the Microsoft website, and sign up for their free CD trials. A few days later you begin to receive packages in nice well padded A4 white envelopes. I have funded my ebay sellings to date through this practice so I can offer cheap P&P This method maybe a little off-hand, but still extremely handy to know... plus you get some nice looking holographic coasters & we're slowly bringing down the company... mwahah, mwahahahahh, mwahahahaahahhah (continues evil laughter) :- ) Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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[Alug]Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Andybenn＠aol.com 16 May '03

16 May '03

I am interested in Linux as I no longer wish to be fleeced by MS into constantly upgrading (unnecessarily, IMO) their expensive software. I welcome and endorse the idea of freedom of choice in computing (and anything else) and find myself fully allied to the Linux ideals. The internet has enabled like-minded people to communicate with each other no matter where in the world they are - and amazing things can happen when people get together in a spirit of co-operation. Linux is a superb example what a community can achieve. And all done in with wonderful open-handed generosity. Andrew Benn +44 (0)7798 526962 +44 (0)1263 761133

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RE: [Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Adam Bower 16 May '03

16 May '03

> From: Andrew Savory [mailto:lists@andrewsavory.com] > I'd hang out for the wireless broadband. From my experience, ADSL is > bottom of the league table very slightly above 56k modem, > with wireless at > the top followed by cable modem. I disagree with this entirely :) I would put ADSL at the top as you can run servers and get static ip addresses, no port blocking etc, etc, and place cable modems and wireless far behind ADSL depending on what you dislike less (i.e. ntl and transparent webcaches (yuk), and wireless being unreliable in certain conditions but you can get static ips from some of the services and run servers) Adam

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[Alug]Routers
by BenE 15 May '03

15 May '03

My exchange is about to be converted to broadband (yes!) and I've been advised that getting a router would be the easiest way of getting it to work with linux. In the estemed ALUG's opinion, is this so? The cost isn't really a problem, but I'm concerned about configuration (if any is needed. My knowledge of networks stops at being able to explain what a token ring is...and I have to use 'lord of the flies' as an example) thanks, BenE

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Re: [Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 May '03

15 May '03

Ben Francis wrote: >...However, about 1 in 3 boots on the redhat box result in the message >"Temporary failure in name resolution" when I attempt to ssh connect. The >only way I've been able to find to get it to see the internet is to reboot >it. Surely there' must be an easy way of showing it where the internet >connection is without having to reboot! Your redhat box should have the hosts-ip name resolutions in your /etc/hosts file, so if you type ssh zxr400 it will look for an entry zxr400 234.567.898.765 (for example) presuming the linux boxes you ssh to are on fixed IP addresses. Or do you mean that it is the actual internet connection you lose? Have you checked that your redhat box has the windows with the modem as its gateway? On debian this info is in a file /etc/network/interfaces. Or do you mean that you type, e.g. ssh www.google.com and the name can't be resolved, in which case you may need to add some name servers to your /etc/resolv.conf file on your redhat box? I may have misunderstood your problem. >I would set up the internet dialup on the linux box and connect the three XP >boxes in the house to it, but I only have a winmodem......... :-) My favourite subject.... Have you checked it on http://www.linmodems.org site? Jen

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[Alug]CD's
by John Seago 15 May '03

15 May '03

OK, OK, I give in donation toward whatever on Sunday! -- John Seago

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RE: [Alug]Costs
by Adam Bower 15 May '03

15 May '03

> as one who no longer neeeds to seek paid employment, I can > see no reason > why you should bear the cost of producing and posting CD's to > me, for me > to pass on in the hope of evangelical success for free > software. I'll pay > your production costs, or John's, I would like the latest > edition though. At the end of the day it is probably more costly to arrange me getting cash for doing these CDs than just doing them. If I do send people a CD in future I think I may ask that they make an donation to a charity or something. A spindle of blank CD-Rs is so cheap now (works out to about 20p a disc, and you can get some as cheap as 10p a disc if you get overprinted discs) and if i post them it costs 42p to send 3CDs, that you are looking at a cost of around a quid to send the bits of Debian testing that people need(I recycle envelopes to send them out to people so they are free) and I do this so infrequently its not worth sorting out the cash. So from now on if i send people CDs then they can give a small donation to a local charity instead. If I end up doing lots of CDs then I will reconsider this point in the future. Adam

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[Alug]Costs
by John Seago 15 May '03

15 May '03

Adam, as one who no longer neeeds to seek paid employment, I can see no reason why you should bear the cost of producing and posting CD's to me, for me to pass on in the hope of evangelical success for free software. I'll pay your production costs, or John's, I would like the latest edition though. -- John Seago

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[Alug]Knoppix CD
by John 15 May '03

15 May '03

Adam Bower, on the 9th of May, wrote: > Oh and if people want Debian testing CDs (or stable) or Knoppix let me > know. I'd like a Knoppix CD for someone I trying to convert, who, as he uses a work provided laptop can't repartition and insert OS of choice. Will you be at Syleham on Sunday? Would it be easier for you to post the CD? Please let me know the costs and I can send/bring you a cheque. -- John Seago

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Re: [Alug]Introduction of GNU/Linux to Bourne School
by Ben Francis 14 May '03

14 May '03

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Mr. C is downloading Knoppix to give it a try but it looks like we might be using RedHat for workstations and put a little bit of effort to get Debian installed for servers. We're also looking into other pieces of software mentioned that could be useful. The machines we'll be installing on are all pretty much identical, maybe a different chipset here and there so once we get one working the others shouldn't be too difficult. There's been a few individual offers of help which I'm sure we'll be taking up as we're bound to come stuck at some point. Now if you'll excuse me while I start to make my banners saying "Microsoft Free Zone" and some giant penguins to decorate the walls with! The machines that we want to install on should become available around June/July time, so watch this space! Plus I hope to make it to some LUG meetings after my exams. Thanks again Ben Francis

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[Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by John Woodard 14 May '03

14 May '03

So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! So I'll take my copy of Unix for BO sufferers and a flask of sad and lonely juice and sit there bored then. :-) Come on reveal your self to the ALUG masses if you plan to come. If you're not planning to come change your mind, you just might get to hear one of MJR's excellent talks! 2:00 - 6:00 at Syleham Village Hall http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting6.html Cheers, BJ

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[Alug]Introduction of GNU/Linux to Bourne School
by Ben Francis 14 May '03

14 May '03

Dear LUGers I'm been on the ALUG and PLUG mailing lists for some time now (watching and listening) and I'm a sixth form student at Bourne Grammar School. The school is seriously considering setting up a room of around 10 dedicated linux machines in our IT suite which will be a welcome addition to our current NT/2000 network of around 200 PCs. The Director, Mr C. has tried to install Debian at home but has come across the same problems as I did, both of us being newbies to GNU/Linux. We've set up one box in the school with Redhat 8.0 which worked fine and can see the network, but at the moment is sitting there doing nothing (mainly due to my exams). The primary aim is to introduce Open Source to the school on some old 233Mhz PIIs that will be available to use when we (eventually) get a new batch of PCs before the end of the academic year. But if we're going to be able to justify removing the "friendly world of microsoft" from an entire IT room the machines will have to be usable by everyone in the school for at least some things. They'll ideally need to access their existing Windows home directories, shared printers etc. and at the least be able to use them for word processing with Open Office and web browsing. We're also looking at the possibility of using GNU/Linux for file servers, print servers or even an internal web server running Apache (so I can do PHP programming! yey!) We're still looking at lots of different distros but it's currently looking like we'll either be going for RedHat or Debian. I'm open to either but really want to get to know Debian which seems the geekier of the two :-) Firstly I was considering buying a book, either for me or through the school to get me/us started, and wondered if you had any recommendations. I liked the look of "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" [http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565927052/qid%3D1052832905/026-24 92735-5301226] but the reviews on Amazon seem rather negative. It comes with and is written for Debian 2.1 - should we be using Debian 3.0? Secondly I'd like to ask if anyone in either ALUG or PLUG would be willing to give us any help. We'd LOVE to have someone come in and help us out and if someone would be willing to do a workshop style session for a group of students on either how to install Linux or the basics of using it that could also be an option. There's always the possibility of trying to arrange holding an actual LUG meeting with the school as the venue (?), I've seen requests for a LUG meeting in Bourne on the lists before.- (At school, we have power sockets, a LAN and a dedicated 2 meg internet connection to play with. And round the corner from a few pubs if you are so inclined, what more could we ask for?) If I can prove that Linux can easily be set up to run side by side with our Micro$oft dominated network with no real problems, then there's a real possibility of the Linux liberation to spread to other parts of the school, and in the longrun saving the school a LOT of money on software licences. I'm open to any ideas and support in my quest for Open Source in school would be greatly appreciated! Regards Ben "tola" Francis PS. thanks for reading my novel length email! hippygeek.co.uk - me bourne-grammar.lincs.sch.uk -school imen.org.uk -us tolagrafix.co.uk -work ---there is no spoon---

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