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[Alug]Automatic Log-out Program
by Dan Hatton 13 May '03

13 May '03

I'd like to know the name of a program that is to u?xterm as autolog is to virtual terminal, i.e. that listens for key-presses, and closes the u?xterm if there are none for just over two hours.� It's annoying me by closing my uxterms in the middle of large (ftp)|(smtp)|(apt) transactions, and I can't stop it running without knowing what it's called. Any suggestions, please? -- Ta Dan Hatton <http://www.bib.hatton.btinternet.co.uk/dan/>

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Re: [Alug]Routers
by me＠davidfairey.org.uk 12 May '03

12 May '03

> You should look carefully at the different ISPs before jumping in, as not > all are created equal. Start with http://www.adslguide.org. Avoid anyone > who wants you to sign up for a year, and (this is an opinion) anyone who > insists on bundling a USB modem. Consider going with someone who offers > fixed IP addresses; it doesn\'t have to cost more and you can plonk down a > public server anytime you like. Go for a \'wires only\' service, though there > is an advantage in getting the router from your ISP; they\'re more likely to > talk to you when things go wrong (as they do). I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection. D.

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Re: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 May '03

12 May '03

>So I'll take my copy of Unix for BO sufferers and a flask of sad and lonely >juice and sit there bored then. :-) Hey, just cause you'll be sad and lonely doesn' t mean your poor juice has to be too ;-) I've got a new bike so can't wait to ride it over your way - depends if I'm going to see my folks or not though this weekend. Jenny (ZXR400, in response to everyone's unbridled curiosity ;-))

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Re: RE: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 12 May '03

12 May '03

I should be there, though still awaiting for my pass to be signed by the wife :) Any topics for this meeting? Take Care, Jamie > > From: John Woodard [mailto:mail@johnwoodard.co.uk] > > So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! > >I /should/ be there, but am going to be busy the day before at the AFFSAC >(<a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.affs.org.uk/)'>http://www.affs.org.uk/)</a> so /may/ not make it. > >Adam > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.alug.org.uk/'>http://www.alug.org.uk/</a> ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailma…'>http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main</a> >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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RE: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by Adam Bower 12 May '03

12 May '03

> From: John Woodard [mailto:mail@johnwoodard.co.uk] > So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! I /should/ be there, but am going to be busy the day before at the AFFSAC (http://www.affs.org.uk/) so /may/ not make it. Adam

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 May '03

12 May '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]FW: Penguicon
by Keith Watson 11 May '03

11 May '03

From: Andy Potter; > > Keith, > > I thought this might appeal to you: http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/ > > Andy > One of my colleagues sent me this link and I thought it would be of interest to the list :o) Keith ____________ CONSULT, v.i. To seek another's disapproval of a course already decided on. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [Alug]Routers
by Adam Bower 10 May '03

10 May '03

> From: me(a)davidfairey.org.uk [mailto:me@davidfairey.org.uk] > I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support > Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. > Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK > come automatically configured for your connection. They also charge a fairly hefty connection fee but the good sides are they made BT fix our phone line that was not suitable for ADSL (BT said we could never have adsl as we were too far from the exchange and other lies), replied to my one and only tech query in record time (i.e. out of hours!) and setup the reverse DNS I asked for about 2 minutes afterwards, gave me an ipv6 connection along with the ipv4, got us online in 3 days (from initial order to connection!), support linux (and any OS you like if it has an tcp/ip stack and can connect to adsl then they will endeavor to help you out), they also gave us a useful setup book with all of our connection details in which will be most useful when something goes wrong and we can't remember our password or server names or something. In all, I can't fault them. This is definetly a case of "you get what you pay for" I will definetly be buying adsl connection services from them in the future. Adam

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[Alug]could Barry Samuels please mail me his address?!
by Adam Bower 09 May '03

09 May '03

Sorry about the spam but I can't get hold of him directly and I have his Debian CDs sitting here, unfortunatly I have lost his address! Oh and if people want Debian testing CDs (or stable) or Knoppix let me know. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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[Alug]Announce: ALUG 2003.6 Meeting 18th May @ Syleham
by John Woodard 08 May '03

08 May '03

Next meeting: Syleham Village Hall Sunday 18th 2:00pm - 6:00pm Venue details: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html If you are coming please add your name to the list with any help requests. Normal disclaimers apply, any kit you bring is your responsibility, it's a good idea to mark it to avoid confusion. I will be hosting as per usual at Syleham. This venue charges us a small fee so we will do the normal whip round to cover the cost. The bar will be open from 1:00pm for anyone who fancies a pre-meeting drink while putting up tables etc. Please add your name and any details you think relevant to the list on the wiki page at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?May%2018th. I will announce to relevant newsgroups, if anybody is on the CAMLUG list can you post it there please or any other lists you think might be appropriate. Cheers, BJ

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RE: [Alug]HP scanner 5300C
by Adam Bower 07 May '03

07 May '03

> From: F J Brooks [mailto:fred@redgrave.screaming.net] > I am a complete newbie and have recently installed SuSE 8.1. > Has anyone been able to make an HP Scanjet 5300C scanner work > with SuSE 8.1? This guy claims to have done so http://members.tripod.com/~mjallen/linuxscanner.html this is a good sign, his link is to the main sane webpage. > the FAQs about SANE hp-backend. I've consulted several Sane Those words "hp-backend" led me to do a little digging on the web. If you visit http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-mfgs.html#HEWLETT-PACKARD (the SANE website supported-hardware list) if you scroll down a bit it says the 5300C uses the sane-avision backend, not the "sane-hp" (which is what I am guessing you have looked for hence you saying "hp-backend") There is a couple of links from that page also. One that may be the most use is the webpage for the avision backend http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/avision/index.html Anyhow let us know how you get on. If you get stuck with this then please post back then I may be able to suggest a bit more to try and fix it. Adam

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[Alug]HP scanner 5300C
by F J Brooks 07 May '03

07 May '03

I am a complete newbie and have recently installed SuSE 8.1. Has anyone been able to make an HP Scanjet 5300C scanner work with SuSE 8.1? I've been all round SANE - and out the other side. I've tried the articles in the April 2003 issue of Linux Journal, and in the December 2002 issue of Linux Format. I've downloaded the Yolux tutorial : Scanners and Linux, and the FAQs about SANE hp-backend. I've consulted several Sane pages from the SuSE manual. I can make none of them work - at least partly because they do not give step-by-step instructions. They're all so varied and inconsistent: one moment giving actual commands, the next speaking in generalities, such as: 'To build the backends package, it's a simple case of unpacking the tarball and performing the usual configure/make incantation.' and: '...it's time to choose the backend driver. For most scanners you can make educated guesses from the SANE website supported-hardware list.' [As our American cousins say: 'Excuse me!? Come again!?] As a newbie, such 'instructions leave me, not only cold, but fumingly frustrated. Can anyone help, please? BTW it seems to be de rigeur to add a sign-off. Perhaps I could run this up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana Fred

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[Alug]Councils and Linux
by Tarquin Mills 07 May '03

07 May '03

Hello, sometime appear on the IRC meetings as Shadowtlx and have just rejoined this mailing list. Below is a question I asked Norwich City Council. Question. In this time of council cuts and cash shortages, how much money is the council spending on Microsoft software (e.g. MS Windows, MS Office etc)? Including the cost of Windows when bought as part of new systems. As an alternative, the council could use free software. Free operating systems could be used instead of MS Windows such as Linux, NetBSD etc. These OSes are of a commercial standard and because they are open source are available on a large number of hardware platforms. This means they could remove windows from their computers without needing to change the computers, in fact Linux is more efficient so old computers can be used for longer. Linux (the third most popular PC OS and second most popular server OS) is more secure than Windows, OpenBSD is a version of BSD with security a top concern. All these OS are immune to Windows viruses. Linux is a clone of Unix (an OS that has been in existence since 1969). The open system Unix (is produced by several manufacturers) and along with Windows are the 2 main OS in use. Using Linux instead of Windows and commercial Unix will unite computers leading to standardisation. For web browsing there is Mozilla (an open source version of Netscape). For office software there is OpenOffice.org 1, KDEoffice etc. You get all this for no cost, what is more the software has a licence that stops people charging for it in the future e.g. the GPL. Supplemental Question. Are free OSes and there apps being trialled by the council? By adopting Linux the council would be helping to put Norwich and Norfolk into a more modern outlook when it comes to IT. If the council insists on using commercial operating systems then why not have local OS such as the one developed in East Anglia. RISC OS computers are more enviromently friendly. "Office software is a problem for local authorities because of the expense", says Socitm national secretary Bob Griffith. Unilever is migrating its IT infrastructure to Linux. The move will contribute to a cost saving of 66 million pounds. "Everytime we put in Linux, we are amazed and surprised at it's speed and the reliability with which we can run it." said Unilever. In answer to the main question they said they will pass my suggests on the companies running the councils IT in a 15 year outsourceing contract. During the asking of the supplemental question I tried to press them into giving a figure on M$ costs, but all they would say is that there contractors said the cost of finding out was disproportionate. So Norwich City Council does not know the costs of services of one of it's major suppliers. I intended to ask Norfolk County Council the same questions. -- Tarquin Mills Reboot Movement (An Anti-Wintel Campaign) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/reboot/

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[Alug]Thursday evening meeting Norwich
by Syd Hancock 05 May '03

05 May '03

The meeting yesterday evening at the Forum in Norwich seemed to go very well. Nine people in attendance and lots of chat both social and technical. Always good to put faces to names and to meet a few new people. Present were Keith, Ian, Graham, Colin, Jonathan, Mark, Syd, Bill and an anonymous stuffed penguin plus the chap who didn't like the beer - sorry I didn't catch your name, you can kick me next time :-) General opinion seemed to be to do it again next month - perhaps some more discussion on list needed re possible choices of venue and date. For example, how would people feel about meeting on a monday even though it clashes with IRC? Would missing irc once a month, for those who participate, be a major problem? Would a venue where kit could be set up be better or was the sit-and-chat atmosphere of the Forum bar preferred? Of course we can always try a few different venues over the first few months - I'm a great believer in trying things out. Anyway, must dash, train to catch to Cornwall. Very interested to know what anyone else thought about the meet. Syd

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[Alug]Installing on to Mac g4
by James A Hayes 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hi all, I have recently bought a copy of Mandrake 9.1 and would like to install it on my Mac as it is a PPC programme - but l am not linux competent, although open source is where l want to go. Anyway would appreciate some help. james

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 05 May '03

05 May '03

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[Alug]LOCAL: ALUG Meeting, Norwich, 8pm, Thu 1 May 2003
by MJ Ray 03 May '03

03 May '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. Surprisingly low numbers so far, given how much interest there was in a Norwich meeting. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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[Alug]Debian Install
by Ian Bell 03 May '03

03 May '03

I now have debian installed on my other partition and have managed to get X working under Gnome but not KDE. Unfortunately the installer ignored my rh7.3 on the other partition and overwrote the MBR - good job I had made a boot disk. Anyway, tried to mod the redhat lilo.conf to boot debian too but I can't get it to work. boot is /dev/hda in both cases. rh root is /dev/hda1 and debian is /dev/hda2. I can only have one root statement in the preamble block and lilo does not like path names starting /dev in the image line. So how to do this? Ian

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Re: [Alug]Unfriendly A7N266-VM motherboard - was rtl8139 aha moment
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 02 May '03

02 May '03

Adam Bower wrote: >I still think my boss did this as a "challenge" you couldn't get a less >supported x86 motherboard if you tried (I suspect anyhow) and I may well give >up on the onboard ethernet and just use a different PCI nic instead and may >reccomend you do the same too. At least if you do that it will work ok with >Debian and getting the thing online to upgrade will not be so difficult. I was so heartened by this that I stuffed in an old NIC that was lying around, got networking going, and things are looking up. Unfortunately when I then upgraded to a later kernel (2.4.19 from 2.4.18-bf2) I lost the networking again :-) The first kernel image wouldn't boot at all as it seemed to be trying to mount "root=3:01" rather than /dev/hda1? For all that onboard not-worky stuff I found a driver package on nVidia website, NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0248.tar.gz but keep getting make errors. I don't even know if it contains the correct drivers. Adam - have you tried this? So no XWindow (essential for the job this computer is required for) and only networking with one kernel image so far. Also can't find anywhere in BIOS to turn off either PnP OS or the onboard NIC. I'm about to waste a bit more time this morning doing a 2.4.20 build. Adam - I think your boss did this because the computer is currently on offer at a bargain price at Cambridge Computers - that's how come I ended up being bought one. The subsequent amount of hours at my hourly wage trying to get it working could have brought one twice as expensive and still been cheaper for them :-) Jenny

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #7 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 02 May '03

02 May '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk, clug(a)cambridge-lug.org From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:33:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Hope this is of interest to some here. From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:58:29 -0000 Please forward to your groups. Thanks. Registrations are now being taken for the Association For Free Software's first annual conference, to be held at Aston University, Birmingham on Sat 17 May 2003. Doors open 1015, talks start 1100. The conference is free to current AFFS members and those who apply to join (fee 10 pounds) and will feature talks from members of various free software projects. More details are available at http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html but feel free to email me (MJR) questions. We are still interested in proposals for more talks, too: send a short summary and an estimate of the required time by email to frontdesk(a)affs.org.uk -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]Unfriendly A7N266-VM motherboard - was rtl8139 aha mome nt
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Unfortunately when I then upgraded to a later kernel (2.4.19 from > 2.4.18-bf2) I lost the networking again :-) > The first kernel image wouldn't boot at all as it seemed to > be trying to > mount "root=3:01" rather than /dev/hda1? I had some kind of problem with this, it is to do with the root=/dev/hda1 line in lilo. On this machine root is /dev/hda3 but the kernel could not mount the disk here etc. I am not sure what is happening yet but when I get some more time to put linux on this box I will work it out then. > For all that onboard not-worky stuff I found a driver package > on nVidia > website, NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0248.tar.gz but keep getting make > errors. I > don't even know if it contains the correct drivers. Adam - > have you tried > this? Yes it does contain the correct drivers, but they are a selection of .o .h and .c files, you will need to have the kernel-headers for your running kernel installed to be able to compile the module. Of course I didn't get this far because of the booting any 2.4 series kernel problem, these drivers will not work with a 2.2 series kernel either. > So no XWindow (essential for the job this computer is > required for) and > only networking with one kernel image so far. > Also can't find anywhere in BIOS to turn off either PnP OS or > the onboard > NIC. Don't bother about turning off the onboard nic if you are going to use a PCI one. There was a BIOS update for this machine that I did install, I think it have an option to turn off the PnP OS, I will let you know later when I have had a chance to reboot this machine. > I'm about to waste a bit more time this morning doing a > 2.4.20 build. Adam > - I think your boss did this because the computer is > currently on offer at > a bargain price at Cambridge Computers - that's how come I > ended up being > bought one. The subsequent amount of hours at my hourly wage > trying to get > it working could have brought one twice as expensive and > still been cheaper > for them :-) You know something you are 200% correct, I really dislike CCS and wish I could have gone to somewhere like WOC in Milton to get some kit, they are really supportive of Linux type things (well everything really) and have exchanged things for me many times which turned out to be a pain to get working. Spending the extra pennies at WOC has really helped me out in the past. Adam

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[Alug]CueCat
by w0037109 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Just to show how out of the run of things I am, I just came accross a CueCat (check slashdot for numerous postings). Apparently these things (apart from infringing your privacy) do good "stuff" with barcodes :- ) We're in the process of starting a business not dissimilar to www.thinkgeek.com but a UK/EU equivilant! hang on... I feel a plug coming on: <plug> www.puregeeks.com </plug> and I'm thinking of getting one of these thingies so I can play with barcodes for the stock. Anyone had any experience of these thingies? Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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[Alug]Sharp zaurus sl-c700
by Adrian F. Clark 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

I've just noticed that eXpansys are taking pre-orders for the Sharp Zaurus SL-C700, a 400 MHz xscale device with a 640x480 screen that can be used in Psion-like clamshell mode or, thanks to some magic hinges, a la Palm. Runs Linux, of course. It has CF _and_ SD slots and can take an 802.11 CF card. Many of the programs developed for the 5500 apparently work on it and I've seen a web-site with pictures of a John Wayne movie playing on one. (OK, so not all owners have good taste.) Some of us have been drooling over this PDA since its announcement last November in Japan but this is the first time I've seen a UK-friendly version available. No price yet, alas, but I've already placed my order. At last, I can replace my aging Psion 5 with a palmtop that I should be able to get emacs onto! ;-) http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SL-C700 for more details. ..Adrian -- Dr Adrian F Clark WEB: http://esewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/ EMAIL: alien(a)essex.ac.uk TEL: +44 1206 872432 FAX: +44 1206 872900 PAPER: VASE Lab, Dept ESE, University of Essex, Colchester, CO4 3SQ, UK

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #6 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:17:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Syd Hancock [mailto:syd@toufol.com] > I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people > seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk > being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. > That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so > presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also > fair enough. If people want a copy they are probably better off buying the magazine than sorting out CDs, both in license terms and also cost? Also the full SuSE box set contains lots of CDs, I am guessing that they are not all included with this magazine so SuSE are offering part of their product to try and attract new users? > My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me > to (re)offer these CDs? It is not acceptable for you to offer the CDs on this list if it is against the SuSE license, If you would be breaking the terms of that license you would also be breaking the law. The line I take on this kind of thing is to recommend free alternatives such as Debian which do not come with these "problems", and BTW if people are interested I now have the Woody update CD available and sarge images for the first 3 CDs. Thanks Adam

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