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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

> From: jamie.french(a)talk21.com [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] > Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is > different passing the CDs around for people to install rather > than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, > but just sounds odd to me. Because if you install a copy and like it and then want to install extra packages you either have to go and borrow the disks again or spend money on the nice shiny box set (or in this case go and buy the magazine). Similar to how you borrow a book but don't copy it. Adam

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Re: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is different passing the CDs around for people to install rather than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, but just sounds odd to me. Take Care, Jamie >No. The objection was to copies being offered, as that was thought to >beagainst their licence. The original CDs from the cover disc should >befine to pass around. Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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[Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Syd Hancock 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also fair enough. My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me to (re)offer these CDs? Syd

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[Alug]rtl8139 aha moment
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Re. my astonishment at the non-workingness of this computer and the rtl8139 thing; I've answered my own question: This is a winputer. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.2/0452.html Lovely. I'm going home.... Jenny

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

MJR wrote: >Aren't those drivers built into the bf2.4 kernel? >http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/k… >suggests so. Steve wrote: >No, if the driver is built-in to the kernel, as Mark suggests, you won't see a separate file for it - it will be >part of /vmlinuz. Yes, sorry - I see it in my own config now. I was looking for it as a module in modconf. Sorry - a bit hazy on things like this. Two steps forward and one back.... What it is, is I have a new motherboard A7N266-VM which has onboard video (NVIDIA 220D North Bridge) and ethernet (Realtek 8201 PHY controller). The complete output of lspci shows everything to be nvidia corporation "unknown device", anyways I found a thread on the internet that says the ethernet for this motherboard will work with rtl8139. Jen

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Fw: Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:30:03 +0100 Ian Bell <ian(a)redtommo.com> wrote: > Now that one is solved it is time to find out why KDE does not work. > X windows gives a fatal server error 4. What does that indicate? When does this error occur? Is it before login, i.e. is it when you are expecting a graphical login screen like kdm or gdm to appear, or is it after you have logged in? X writes a log file which may help diagnose this - where this gets written may depend on which login manager you are using. For gdm2 I have the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. I have also seen a log called gdm:0.log or some such similar thing. Steve.

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jonathan Dye wrote: >The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and >I installed from the bf2.4 disks. Is that under drivers/net? I can't see 8139too or any Realtek stuff. Thanks, Jenny

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[Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Hi List, Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 that comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong place, or aren't there any? I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) Thanks Jen

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Laurie wrote: >8139too is correct. It *is* compiled either in the kernel or as a module >isn't it? I have a Stupid Moment Feeling coming over me.... Now, one of my problems here is that I can never see where the source tree installs to when I do a fresh install from disk - I've only ever upgraded kernels by installing a new one and then working with that. Anyway, escape from further embarrassment by a timely dentists visit...:-) Will look afresh in the morning. Ta, Jen

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jonathan Dye 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > Hi List, > Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. > > Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel > 2.4.18-bf2.4 that > comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong > place, or aren't there any? > I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY > controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and I installed from the bf2.4 disks. JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]Suse 8.1
by Syd Hancock 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This month's PC Plus has Suse 8.1 on the DVD - three CDs. AFAIK this is the fully-installable version, not the run-from-cd trial. If anyone wants a copy, contact me off list. No copying fee :-) Syd

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[Alug]Elmswell
by John Seago 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > I won't be there, sorry. Entertaining guests today - two Texans who > want to see Norwich! And I went specially to prove that I was'n't dead! -- John Seago

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:27:56 -0000 MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Alternatively, try grub. Beware, as the path specs are a little > different. Grub will definitely enable you to do what you want, though I still think it is possible with LILO too. With LILO most of the inteligence is in the map installer, the 'lilo' command you run to set things up, and the code that actually does the booting is therefore very simplistic, but small and light and loads very fast. By comparison, grub has a second stage loader that is able to read proper file systems rather than just follow a block list so it is very flexible and can cope with things getting changed, but does take noticably longer to load because the second stage loader is bigger. Though I still have LILO for my main boot loader for the extra speed, I have a copy of grub on a floppy as a completely general purpose boot disk - just the job for booting a configuration that is otherwise broken. Steve.

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[Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by barrie james 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Where is the meeting - with the website down the directions have gone. 2pm start? Thanks Barrie _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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[Alug]Debian et al installfest
by Ian Bell 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Following my less than happy time with RH9.0 I decided to install Debian. The result has been a veritable installfest with me having all sorts of problems trying to install Debian and other distros. The current situation is that, since I have just one PC (laptop), I have created two equal sized linux partions and a common swap on it and installed RH7.3 one one (whcih is where I was before this all started). This way I can try other distros without losing my basic desktop functionality. Anyway the next step is to try Debian again and I'll report my Debian newbie experiences blow by blow - assuming the Debian community is interested in such things. Ian

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Re: [Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Might turn up if i can find a way and its not tooo far off course from Norwich(maybe Weasenham) to Cambridge. Ill even have kit(my pc)! Oh ive downloaded iso'z of debian testing + hurd k2(uea connection is sooo fast) and have a few other cd images on my hard disk if anyone wants them and has the blanks or cash. lol ill sell them at 1/2 the linuxemporium's prices, maybe. Dennis -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug]software for Sunday meeting.
by Edenyard 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

MJ Ray wrote: > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard.... > Chording keyboard? What's that all about? I won't be able to get to the meeting, but I hope the question's still valid! Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]ADV: FTGH, Junk.
by Jonathan McDowell 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Right. Being in the process of moving house, I really should clear out some of the junk I haven't used in a couple of years. I'll admit not all of it is Linux related, but I figure no one's going to want to travel any distance to pick this stuff up, so the ALUG list is my best chance. All free to anyone who can be bothered to pick it up from Norwich. Macintosh LC with keyboard, mouse, 14" colour monitor. 40MB HD. Should be in full working order, been a while since I powered it up. Only a 68000 I think; certainly doesn't run Linux though I guess ucLinux might be portable. Sun 3/50 with keyboard, mouse, no monitor. Used to use this as an xterm when I had a monitor for it, but no longer have said item. Should work fine and I think it can just about run Linux (and can certainly run NetBSD). 6 CD SCSI jukebox (single speed). Slow, but does work with Linux. External SCSI enclosure (5.25", huge 3 row D connectors) 16 port 10baseT hub with AUI + BNC. Needs a PSU. I might be able to find on, otherwise it's a 12V DC wallwart with the round plug at the end. 286 base unit Goldstar branded. 3 ISA slots, on board VGA, serial etc. Think it has IDE but just has 2 5.25" drives at present. PS/2 mouse/keyboard sockets. I originally meant to play with ELKS on this. RM 480Z + monitor + disk drive. Think it's working ok. I'll no doubt find more stuff as I sort things out; I'll maintain a list at: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computer-junk.html and if no one wants any of it then I'll see if there are some fools on Ebay who'll pay 50p + P&P. :) (As an aside, sorry I can't make the meeting tomorrow - need to clean the old house to make sure I get the full deposit back!) J. -- jid: noodles(a)jabber.earth.li 101 things you can't have too much of : 40 - Star Wars toys.

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FW: [Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Jamie French 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

I'll send it correctly next time :) -----Original Message----- From: Jamie French [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] Sent: 26 April 2003 08:53 To: 'main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk' Subject: RE: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. I am hoping to attend, wife permitting :) I would like to bring my Zaurus and discuss with other Zaurus users how to get OZ 3.2 into a stable and working state. Take Care Jamie -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 25 April 2003 23:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:42:15PM -0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help > > with anything or want to discuss anything? > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard and some sort of palmtop device with me. I'll have my GLLUG > talk notes with me, about "The Free Software Story", if there's interest > in that, or I am always available for interrogation ;*) I will have my zaurus running open zaurus 3.2, and my vaio picturebook. I will perhaps also bring a Sun Ultra 30 and debianise it at the meeting. Although it may have a hardware fault (possibly just needs SCSI disks reseated) so I will have a quick look tomorrow to see if this is viable. Other things I have been playing with (or planning to play with) are bluetooth on linux with a usb dongle and a sony ericsson t68i and gpsdrive on the vaio. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #5 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:49:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.4 : AT Vetinerary Systems, Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 27 April 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: The meeting is scheduled for 2pm-6pm. There will be one or two short talks, the normal hacking of systems and discussions, with veterans on hand to ask for advice and help. The librarians will tell us the current state of the library and MJR will finally return his library book. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, MJR and Rob are definites. If you are planning to come, please say so on the mailing list. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: Adam I will bring a zaurus and maybe a laptop running gpsdrive. I may bring my sparc and try to make it work with debian. I was hoping to have my linux pvr working for this meet but not yet. I can burn and bring CDs, if you ask me for them now. MJR A short talk on a Free Software movement in the UK. A chording keyboard that works with Linux. Rob Keys and a Building? Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugMeetings 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Hi everyone. Does anyone want any debian CDs for sundays meeting? I have some sarge images available (about a week old) also I have the linux conf australia CDs available which fozzy mentioned the other week. Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help with anything or want to discuss anything? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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RE: [Alug]AMD Opteron
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Martyn Drake [mailto:martyn@drake.org.uk] > Is there any Linux distribution out there that can support > the 64-bitness of > the Opteron out of the box? I know SuSE has made some noise > about this, but > I'm not sure what the others are doing. Yes, I know it's > early days... Mandrake, http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2418&wslang=en apparently costs real $$$. BTW I have heard from a few people I know who have been developing on the Opteron (people who develop on many other 64bit platforms), apparently its stupidly fast, and I want one :) Adam

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[Alug]Debian: does 'sarge' use Gnome 1 or 2?
by Keith Watson 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

As above. Keith ____________ It's not what the eye sees, but that which makes the eye see. The Upanishads

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RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Alexis Lee [mailto:lxs@sdf-eu.org] > > Come to that, shouldn't we be having another release? I thought they > wanted releases every year or so? Pixar will have to get busy... You know, its funny that a Free Software distribution takes its names from a movie that was created on (very) non-free (and incredibly expensive in money terms too) software... Adam

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