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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #7 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 02 May '03

02 May '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk, clug(a)cambridge-lug.org From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:33:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Hope this is of interest to some here. From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:58:29 -0000 Please forward to your groups. Thanks. Registrations are now being taken for the Association For Free Software's first annual conference, to be held at Aston University, Birmingham on Sat 17 May 2003. Doors open 1015, talks start 1100. The conference is free to current AFFS members and those who apply to join (fee 10 pounds) and will feature talks from members of various free software projects. More details are available at http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html but feel free to email me (MJR) questions. We are still interested in proposals for more talks, too: send a short summary and an estimate of the required time by email to frontdesk(a)affs.org.uk -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]Unfriendly A7N266-VM motherboard - was rtl8139 aha mome nt
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Unfortunately when I then upgraded to a later kernel (2.4.19 from > 2.4.18-bf2) I lost the networking again :-) > The first kernel image wouldn't boot at all as it seemed to > be trying to > mount "root=3:01" rather than /dev/hda1? I had some kind of problem with this, it is to do with the root=/dev/hda1 line in lilo. On this machine root is /dev/hda3 but the kernel could not mount the disk here etc. I am not sure what is happening yet but when I get some more time to put linux on this box I will work it out then. > For all that onboard not-worky stuff I found a driver package > on nVidia > website, NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0248.tar.gz but keep getting make > errors. I > don't even know if it contains the correct drivers. Adam - > have you tried > this? Yes it does contain the correct drivers, but they are a selection of .o .h and .c files, you will need to have the kernel-headers for your running kernel installed to be able to compile the module. Of course I didn't get this far because of the booting any 2.4 series kernel problem, these drivers will not work with a 2.2 series kernel either. > So no XWindow (essential for the job this computer is > required for) and > only networking with one kernel image so far. > Also can't find anywhere in BIOS to turn off either PnP OS or > the onboard > NIC. Don't bother about turning off the onboard nic if you are going to use a PCI one. There was a BIOS update for this machine that I did install, I think it have an option to turn off the PnP OS, I will let you know later when I have had a chance to reboot this machine. > I'm about to waste a bit more time this morning doing a > 2.4.20 build. Adam > - I think your boss did this because the computer is > currently on offer at > a bargain price at Cambridge Computers - that's how come I > ended up being > bought one. The subsequent amount of hours at my hourly wage > trying to get > it working could have brought one twice as expensive and > still been cheaper > for them :-) You know something you are 200% correct, I really dislike CCS and wish I could have gone to somewhere like WOC in Milton to get some kit, they are really supportive of Linux type things (well everything really) and have exchanged things for me many times which turned out to be a pain to get working. Spending the extra pennies at WOC has really helped me out in the past. Adam

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[Alug]CueCat
by w0037109 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Just to show how out of the run of things I am, I just came accross a CueCat (check slashdot for numerous postings). Apparently these things (apart from infringing your privacy) do good "stuff" with barcodes :- ) We're in the process of starting a business not dissimilar to www.thinkgeek.com but a UK/EU equivilant! hang on... I feel a plug coming on: <plug> www.puregeeks.com </plug> and I'm thinking of getting one of these thingies so I can play with barcodes for the stock. Anyone had any experience of these thingies? Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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[Alug]Sharp zaurus sl-c700
by Adrian F. Clark 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

I've just noticed that eXpansys are taking pre-orders for the Sharp Zaurus SL-C700, a 400 MHz xscale device with a 640x480 screen that can be used in Psion-like clamshell mode or, thanks to some magic hinges, a la Palm. Runs Linux, of course. It has CF _and_ SD slots and can take an 802.11 CF card. Many of the programs developed for the 5500 apparently work on it and I've seen a web-site with pictures of a John Wayne movie playing on one. (OK, so not all owners have good taste.) Some of us have been drooling over this PDA since its announcement last November in Japan but this is the first time I've seen a UK-friendly version available. No price yet, alas, but I've already placed my order. At last, I can replace my aging Psion 5 with a palmtop that I should be able to get emacs onto! ;-) http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SL-C700 for more details. ..Adrian -- Dr Adrian F Clark WEB: http://esewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/ EMAIL: alien(a)essex.ac.uk TEL: +44 1206 872432 FAX: +44 1206 872900 PAPER: VASE Lab, Dept ESE, University of Essex, Colchester, CO4 3SQ, UK

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #6 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:17:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Syd Hancock [mailto:syd@toufol.com] > I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people > seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk > being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. > That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so > presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also > fair enough. If people want a copy they are probably better off buying the magazine than sorting out CDs, both in license terms and also cost? Also the full SuSE box set contains lots of CDs, I am guessing that they are not all included with this magazine so SuSE are offering part of their product to try and attract new users? > My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me > to (re)offer these CDs? It is not acceptable for you to offer the CDs on this list if it is against the SuSE license, If you would be breaking the terms of that license you would also be breaking the law. The line I take on this kind of thing is to recommend free alternatives such as Debian which do not come with these "problems", and BTW if people are interested I now have the Woody update CD available and sarge images for the first 3 CDs. Thanks Adam

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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

> From: jamie.french(a)talk21.com [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] > Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is > different passing the CDs around for people to install rather > than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, > but just sounds odd to me. Because if you install a copy and like it and then want to install extra packages you either have to go and borrow the disks again or spend money on the nice shiny box set (or in this case go and buy the magazine). Similar to how you borrow a book but don't copy it. Adam

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Re: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is different passing the CDs around for people to install rather than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, but just sounds odd to me. Take Care, Jamie >No. The objection was to copies being offered, as that was thought to >beagainst their licence. The original CDs from the cover disc should >befine to pass around. Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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[Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Syd Hancock 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also fair enough. My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me to (re)offer these CDs? Syd

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[Alug]rtl8139 aha moment
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Re. my astonishment at the non-workingness of this computer and the rtl8139 thing; I've answered my own question: This is a winputer. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.2/0452.html Lovely. I'm going home.... Jenny

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

MJR wrote: >Aren't those drivers built into the bf2.4 kernel? >http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/k… >suggests so. Steve wrote: >No, if the driver is built-in to the kernel, as Mark suggests, you won't see a separate file for it - it will be >part of /vmlinuz. Yes, sorry - I see it in my own config now. I was looking for it as a module in modconf. Sorry - a bit hazy on things like this. Two steps forward and one back.... What it is, is I have a new motherboard A7N266-VM which has onboard video (NVIDIA 220D North Bridge) and ethernet (Realtek 8201 PHY controller). The complete output of lspci shows everything to be nvidia corporation "unknown device", anyways I found a thread on the internet that says the ethernet for this motherboard will work with rtl8139. Jen

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Fw: Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:30:03 +0100 Ian Bell <ian(a)redtommo.com> wrote: > Now that one is solved it is time to find out why KDE does not work. > X windows gives a fatal server error 4. What does that indicate? When does this error occur? Is it before login, i.e. is it when you are expecting a graphical login screen like kdm or gdm to appear, or is it after you have logged in? X writes a log file which may help diagnose this - where this gets written may depend on which login manager you are using. For gdm2 I have the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. I have also seen a log called gdm:0.log or some such similar thing. Steve.

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jonathan Dye wrote: >The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and >I installed from the bf2.4 disks. Is that under drivers/net? I can't see 8139too or any Realtek stuff. Thanks, Jenny

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[Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Hi List, Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 that comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong place, or aren't there any? I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) Thanks Jen

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Laurie wrote: >8139too is correct. It *is* compiled either in the kernel or as a module >isn't it? I have a Stupid Moment Feeling coming over me.... Now, one of my problems here is that I can never see where the source tree installs to when I do a fresh install from disk - I've only ever upgraded kernels by installing a new one and then working with that. Anyway, escape from further embarrassment by a timely dentists visit...:-) Will look afresh in the morning. Ta, Jen

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jonathan Dye 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > Hi List, > Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. > > Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel > 2.4.18-bf2.4 that > comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong > place, or aren't there any? > I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY > controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and I installed from the bf2.4 disks. JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]Suse 8.1
by Syd Hancock 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This month's PC Plus has Suse 8.1 on the DVD - three CDs. AFAIK this is the fully-installable version, not the run-from-cd trial. If anyone wants a copy, contact me off list. No copying fee :-) Syd

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[Alug]Elmswell
by John Seago 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > I won't be there, sorry. Entertaining guests today - two Texans who > want to see Norwich! And I went specially to prove that I was'n't dead! -- John Seago

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:27:56 -0000 MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Alternatively, try grub. Beware, as the path specs are a little > different. Grub will definitely enable you to do what you want, though I still think it is possible with LILO too. With LILO most of the inteligence is in the map installer, the 'lilo' command you run to set things up, and the code that actually does the booting is therefore very simplistic, but small and light and loads very fast. By comparison, grub has a second stage loader that is able to read proper file systems rather than just follow a block list so it is very flexible and can cope with things getting changed, but does take noticably longer to load because the second stage loader is bigger. Though I still have LILO for my main boot loader for the extra speed, I have a copy of grub on a floppy as a completely general purpose boot disk - just the job for booting a configuration that is otherwise broken. Steve.

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[Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by barrie james 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Where is the meeting - with the website down the directions have gone. 2pm start? Thanks Barrie _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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[Alug]Debian et al installfest
by Ian Bell 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Following my less than happy time with RH9.0 I decided to install Debian. The result has been a veritable installfest with me having all sorts of problems trying to install Debian and other distros. The current situation is that, since I have just one PC (laptop), I have created two equal sized linux partions and a common swap on it and installed RH7.3 one one (whcih is where I was before this all started). This way I can try other distros without losing my basic desktop functionality. Anyway the next step is to try Debian again and I'll report my Debian newbie experiences blow by blow - assuming the Debian community is interested in such things. Ian

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Re: [Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Might turn up if i can find a way and its not tooo far off course from Norwich(maybe Weasenham) to Cambridge. Ill even have kit(my pc)! Oh ive downloaded iso'z of debian testing + hurd k2(uea connection is sooo fast) and have a few other cd images on my hard disk if anyone wants them and has the blanks or cash. lol ill sell them at 1/2 the linuxemporium's prices, maybe. Dennis -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug]software for Sunday meeting.
by Edenyard 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

MJ Ray wrote: > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard.... > Chording keyboard? What's that all about? I won't be able to get to the meeting, but I hope the question's still valid! Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]ADV: FTGH, Junk.
by Jonathan McDowell 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Right. Being in the process of moving house, I really should clear out some of the junk I haven't used in a couple of years. I'll admit not all of it is Linux related, but I figure no one's going to want to travel any distance to pick this stuff up, so the ALUG list is my best chance. All free to anyone who can be bothered to pick it up from Norwich. Macintosh LC with keyboard, mouse, 14" colour monitor. 40MB HD. Should be in full working order, been a while since I powered it up. Only a 68000 I think; certainly doesn't run Linux though I guess ucLinux might be portable. Sun 3/50 with keyboard, mouse, no monitor. Used to use this as an xterm when I had a monitor for it, but no longer have said item. Should work fine and I think it can just about run Linux (and can certainly run NetBSD). 6 CD SCSI jukebox (single speed). Slow, but does work with Linux. External SCSI enclosure (5.25", huge 3 row D connectors) 16 port 10baseT hub with AUI + BNC. Needs a PSU. I might be able to find on, otherwise it's a 12V DC wallwart with the round plug at the end. 286 base unit Goldstar branded. 3 ISA slots, on board VGA, serial etc. Think it has IDE but just has 2 5.25" drives at present. PS/2 mouse/keyboard sockets. I originally meant to play with ELKS on this. RM 480Z + monitor + disk drive. Think it's working ok. I'll no doubt find more stuff as I sort things out; I'll maintain a list at: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computer-junk.html and if no one wants any of it then I'll see if there are some fools on Ebay who'll pay 50p + P&P. :) (As an aside, sorry I can't make the meeting tomorrow - need to clean the old house to make sure I get the full deposit back!) J. -- jid: noodles(a)jabber.earth.li 101 things you can't have too much of : 40 - Star Wars toys.

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