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Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall
by Ben Norcutt 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Sorry I don't know the background to this wantign to kill ALUG statement but I presume you are talking about Richard Morell well he's now resigned from the company and is pursuing other projects. IPcop, *spit*, hmm Cheers, Ben

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Attention web editors and any others
by MJ Ray 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

Now that the Makefile seems to be working, I've uploaded another copy of the ALUG website source to http://www.alug.org.uk/alug-web-20030409.tar.gz Feel free to download it. You probably need GNU shellutils and textutils, but most distributions install them by default. To actually build a copy of the site, you'll need xsltproc from libxslt. Could anyone who has their name as the author of a page please either check/update it and then run "make patch", or tell me that they no longer wish to own that page. Anyone who wants to add a page to the web site, please let me know. We probably should move any mature pages out of the wiki and into the main site. My next tasks are: update the layout files; check and update my own pages, the same as everyone else does; make sure all pages have someone looking after them. The owners that I have listed are: ./articles/2001a/lpr2fax.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20011.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/linuxday.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20012.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/ircnames.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/alugfaq.xml: <author >Current maintainer Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/venuereq.xml: <author >Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/promoart.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/bestmeat.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./background/contacts.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/submissions.xml: <author >ALUG Webmaster</author> ./background/cvs-access.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/xml-formats.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/jobs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details.

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past meetings
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Here's a tricky one, but can all members who have hosted a meeting over the last two years (since Nov 2001) try and remember the date, venue and a very rough overview of who turned up and what took place? Send to me off list. Ta Jen

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Fw: Kernel Symbol and Sysmap Trouble
by Steve Fosdick 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Here are an interesting couple of problems I am having with kernel symbols I am hoping someone may be able to help me with. 1. Symbol Not Found. Having selected basic ATM and IP over ATM to be built into the kernel and PPPoA to be built as a module and building and installing both kernel and modules, when I try to install the pppoatm module I get an unresolved symbol error for pppoatm_ioctl_hook. Having checked the source pppoatm_ioctl_hook is defined in net/atm/common.c like this: #if defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM) || defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM_MODULE) int (*pppoatm_ioctl_hook)(struct atm_vcc *, unsigned int, unsigned long); EXPORT_SYMBOL(pppoatm_ioctl_hook); #endif As my .config file contains: CONFIG_PPPOATM=m I would expect the symbol to be defined and if I run 'nm' on common.o I find the line: 00000000 B pppoatm_ioctl_hook So the symbol is definitely there. Is the B for BSS segment and is that why it isn't found? If I select pppoatm to be built into the kernel the symbol is resolved correctly. 2. System.map does not match kernel data. After building a kernel and installing it, running LILO and installing the modules, sometimes I get errors about System.map not matching the kernel data. The last example is having build pppoatm into the kernel and I got the following errors during startup: {pppoatm_ioctl_hook} {pppoatm_ioctl_hook_R__ver_pppoatm_ioctl_hook} /boot/System.map-2.4.20 does not match kernel data On a machine at work I often get a similar warning about the System.map not matching kernel data when running the ps command though when the machine is first booted this problem rarely happens, it only appears after some time. Any guesses? Steve.

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Advert! Hardwares To Go!
by Craig 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Okay, here we go: Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROm 4X = �15 Liteon CDRW 32x12x40x = �20 Unbranded 4x4x24x CDRW(!) = �10 2x 256mb PC133 = �25 each 10 gig Matrox hdd = �20 41.1gig IBM 5400RPM hdd = �50 Geforce 3 ti200 DDR 64mb AGP = �45 Geforce 2mx 32mb AGP = �20 Matrox 4mb Mytisque PCI = �5 Creative Soundblaster AWE64 ISA = �5 Duron 800mhz (Including Heatsink) + Chaintech CT-7AJA2 (onboard cmedia 8738) + ATX Mini-Tower Case + MS Intellimouse Explorer 2 button optical PS2/USB = �100 AMD K2(?) 350Mhz + VA-503+ mobo + AT Full Tower case + AT keyboard. �60 17" Hansol 710P monitor = �80 TV card (Bt848AKPF as it says on the chipset) PCI = �10 Let me know if you are interested to buy them. Also, spread the word if you know someone looking for some hardwares as well. Just anything to get them off my hands for them to be in use rather than collecting dust! And yes, they all work under GNU/Linux ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Simon Jude 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Adam Bower wrote: > > But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) > systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had > given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million > quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without > support! > Yep! Exactly the original plan from about 5 years ago was for an SGI at about 400K. Evidently they quoted 1 million plus for a system for one uni and another company wheeled in a couple of PC image generators that had better performance!! We recently saw an SGI Onyx system down at BP research which wasn't too impressive!! Sorry to go a bit off topic!!!

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Jude [mailto:S.Jude@uea.ac.uk] > One the subject of Nvidia graphics cards and drivers, here at > work we are > in the process of purchasing a new VR lab. One of the PC > image generator > systems we have been shown is basically a cluster of PCs that does > parallel rendering and uses Nvidia GeForce 4 cards with one > or two tweeks > of the chips and drivers...Now for the amusing bit...for > these tweeks to > what are basically fairly standard PCs we have been quoted > 100K for one > system and 140K for a one with more rendering power. I think > I am in the > wrong business!!! But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without support! > > Oh and as for support...we were quoted 20K per year for this > system!!! ;-) Commercial support isn't cheap though, 20k per year is less than the cost of 1 fairly well trained monkey... Again if it was SGI you would probably be paying about 10x as much (I won't dare compare SGI with monkeys, one of the two would get very offended) Adam

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> Seeing it is there in gentoo.. I am going to test it out right now on > this laptop :) Is this a precursor to "For Sale - 1 used laptop, works well except screen or graphics card broken, has nvidia chipset....." ;) Adam

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Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Keith Watson 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

<QUOTE> http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/04/02/201255 Augustus writes "LinuxHardware.org just published a review looking at NVIDIA's latest driver. "Monday, NVIDIA took the next step in their strive to own the Linux video market with the release of their 1.0-4349 drivers. These drivers represent a first in the Linux driver market, a utility that not only installs the drivers on any distribution, but also keeps the driver up-to-date. We now take a look at this new utility and the drivers themselves. ... </QUOTE> anyone tried the new NVIDIA driver installer yet? Keith ____________ 'I always use the word impossible with the greatest caution.' - Wernher Von Braun

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RE: [Alug] Allow to sell?
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [mailto:craig@wizball.co.uk] > Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few > hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just > want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to > sell! Ummm, we did have an FAQ on this... I can't remember what it was though and as the site is still half down its a bit hard to tell you :) Anyhow I think it was along the lines of "selling stuff is fine but it must be GNU/Linux related or hardware must be compatible with GNU/Linux (or free software) and put ADV or advert in your subject line and make sure it is obvious that you are selling stuff." Don't send it more than once either, if you do then I will boil or barbecue you depending on what my mood is at the time :) Adam

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Allow to sell?
by Craig 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to sell! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Allow to sell?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Craig wrote: >Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few >hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just >want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to >sell! 's'ok by me - I'm interested. Can't speak for list protocol though. Jen

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Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings
by Adam Bower 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

> Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? > > Dennis Dryden Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites current status. Adam

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Re: [Alug] meetings
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Ye that seems like a good idea to me dont you need a certain amount of UEA students to do it(15?)? If it is too late just do it next year(Sep or October or whenever you go back). Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? Dennis Dryden ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamel Saadi <kamel_saadi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:40:02 +0000 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] meetings > Hi, > > I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know > whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can > have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. > > Regards. > > Kamel. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Gentoo and the LSB
by Laurie Brown 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Folks, According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: "In what will likely prove to be a controversial decision, Portage 2.1 will adopt the RPM format for all packages moving forward. The use of ebuilds will be deprecated in favor of the defacto RPM standard. The primary driver for this decision was to ensure compliance with the Linux Standard Base[1] specification, which mandates RPM support for package management." Further: "Additionally, because of LSB's required library support[2], the xfree86 package will move to become part of the base Gentoo Linux system, rather than an optional addition." I have *major* problems with this. Firstly, I want compiled, optimised code, not someone else's RPMd crap, and secondly, what the hell do I want xfree86 on a server for? I've been really happy with G2 for the last year, and now this... What's Debian doing in this regard? Anyone know? Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Busting the Spam Buster ...
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... Ted. EXCERPT: ======================================================= From: Agnes McMullin <Chunnsxw(a)i-france.com> Subject: Greetings <html> <body SIZE AND STAMINA DO MATTER More Than You Can Possibly Imagine!! She is just trying to spare your feelings by telling you otherwise. DON'T WAIT UNTIL SHE IS GONE TO FIND OUT THAT YOU COULDN'T SATISFY HER!!! INTRODUCING, THE FIRST ALL-IN-ONE Male Performance Enhancer AND Penis Enlargement [etc.] ========================================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 13:16:09 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Norwich PC User Group
by Syd Hancock 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

here is some more info for anyone in the area who might be interested: NPCUG: website is now <http://www.npcug.org> The serie of introductory workshops on linux continues - seem to be booked up now but if nothing else it shows that interest is growing. Email contacts: see the site but maybe general email (as opposed to, say, membership enquireies etc) should go to Ann Chesterton who deals with Public Relations <chestep(a)clara.co.uk> Regards Syd

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What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Does any one have any ideas how to track down what's waking my hard disk up every few seconds? The problem is that the Linux PC sometimes spends hours not being used and I'd like the HDD to spin down after (say) 15 minutes of inactivity. I've set the BIOS power-saving HDD spin-down and this works well enough when booted to DOS, but in Linux it just won't sleep. If I force it to sleep using 'hdparm -y /dev/hda1', it spins down and promptly starts up again after a few seconds. I've ensured that it's not cron waking it up and I've also disabled the syslog from writing ' -- mark --' into the log file every so often, but now I'm stumped. I've looked in the log files in /var/log but nothing's owning up so far. Is there a way of logging every disk access request or something like that? Any ideas, anyone? Thanks! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Chris Glover wrote: >Usually, when you run xterm, you can specify a window name. I tend to use > >xterm -name PUTWHATEVERHERE -bg black -fg white -display wibble:0.0 & > >HTH Chris - way to go! I've got a lurid screen covered with purple and blue screens now. Ouch! Thanks, Jenny :-)

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blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hullo, I'm using blackbox window manager, with bbkeys for keyboard shortcuts. Two things I can't work out: 1. How to save not only the number of workspaces and their names, but the actual "contents" of that workspace, - i.e. if i close xwindow when I had three xterms open in a workspace, they are still there when I startx again. At the moment if I restart, the workspaces are all there but are empty. 2. If it is possible to change the name of an xterm window from "xterm" to something more likely to help me remember what the hell is going on in that particular window! Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [Alug] What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Adam Bower wrote: > > Are you using ext3 or reiserfs or XFS? > Sorry - I've half-jobbed! I should have said it's a Slackware 8.1 system using ext2 and kernel 2.4.18. raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk wrote: > > sync runs every 30 secs to flush the disk buffers. > This sounds a bit fundamental. Does this mean that, in general, Linux users never allow their HDDs to sleep then? Gerald.

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meetings
by Kamel Saadi 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi, I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. Regards. Kamel.

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Power management
by BenEBoy 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I don't suppose anyone knows how to turn off the standby mode thingy in linux (heh, I'm well up to speed on my terminology aren't I?). It is damned annoying having the monitor turn itself off after 15 minutes or so of being unattended :-) Especially when watching the pretty visuals from various XMMS plugins. I've checked all the places I could think of, but can't find hide nor hair of it. cheers, BenE (Oh, using linuxfromscratch 4.0 BTW)

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