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Re: [Alug] Allow to sell?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Craig wrote: >Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few >hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just >want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to >sell! 's'ok by me - I'm interested. Can't speak for list protocol though. Jen

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Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings
by Adam Bower 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

> Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? > > Dennis Dryden Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites current status. Adam

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Re: [Alug] meetings
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Ye that seems like a good idea to me dont you need a certain amount of UEA students to do it(15?)? If it is too late just do it next year(Sep or October or whenever you go back). Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? Dennis Dryden ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamel Saadi <kamel_saadi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:40:02 +0000 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] meetings > Hi, > > I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know > whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can > have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. > > Regards. > > Kamel. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Gentoo and the LSB
by Laurie Brown 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Folks, According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: "In what will likely prove to be a controversial decision, Portage 2.1 will adopt the RPM format for all packages moving forward. The use of ebuilds will be deprecated in favor of the defacto RPM standard. The primary driver for this decision was to ensure compliance with the Linux Standard Base[1] specification, which mandates RPM support for package management." Further: "Additionally, because of LSB's required library support[2], the xfree86 package will move to become part of the base Gentoo Linux system, rather than an optional addition." I have *major* problems with this. Firstly, I want compiled, optimised code, not someone else's RPMd crap, and secondly, what the hell do I want xfree86 on a server for? I've been really happy with G2 for the last year, and now this... What's Debian doing in this regard? Anyone know? Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Busting the Spam Buster ...
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... Ted. EXCERPT: ======================================================= From: Agnes McMullin <Chunnsxw(a)i-france.com> Subject: Greetings <html> <body SIZE AND STAMINA DO MATTER More Than You Can Possibly Imagine!! She is just trying to spare your feelings by telling you otherwise. DON'T WAIT UNTIL SHE IS GONE TO FIND OUT THAT YOU COULDN'T SATISFY HER!!! INTRODUCING, THE FIRST ALL-IN-ONE Male Performance Enhancer AND Penis Enlargement [etc.] ========================================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 13:16:09 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Norwich PC User Group
by Syd Hancock 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

here is some more info for anyone in the area who might be interested: NPCUG: website is now <http://www.npcug.org> The serie of introductory workshops on linux continues - seem to be booked up now but if nothing else it shows that interest is growing. Email contacts: see the site but maybe general email (as opposed to, say, membership enquireies etc) should go to Ann Chesterton who deals with Public Relations <chestep(a)clara.co.uk> Regards Syd

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What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Does any one have any ideas how to track down what's waking my hard disk up every few seconds? The problem is that the Linux PC sometimes spends hours not being used and I'd like the HDD to spin down after (say) 15 minutes of inactivity. I've set the BIOS power-saving HDD spin-down and this works well enough when booted to DOS, but in Linux it just won't sleep. If I force it to sleep using 'hdparm -y /dev/hda1', it spins down and promptly starts up again after a few seconds. I've ensured that it's not cron waking it up and I've also disabled the syslog from writing ' -- mark --' into the log file every so often, but now I'm stumped. I've looked in the log files in /var/log but nothing's owning up so far. Is there a way of logging every disk access request or something like that? Any ideas, anyone? Thanks! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Chris Glover wrote: >Usually, when you run xterm, you can specify a window name. I tend to use > >xterm -name PUTWHATEVERHERE -bg black -fg white -display wibble:0.0 & > >HTH Chris - way to go! I've got a lurid screen covered with purple and blue screens now. Ouch! Thanks, Jenny :-)

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blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hullo, I'm using blackbox window manager, with bbkeys for keyboard shortcuts. Two things I can't work out: 1. How to save not only the number of workspaces and their names, but the actual "contents" of that workspace, - i.e. if i close xwindow when I had three xterms open in a workspace, they are still there when I startx again. At the moment if I restart, the workspaces are all there but are empty. 2. If it is possible to change the name of an xterm window from "xterm" to something more likely to help me remember what the hell is going on in that particular window! Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [Alug] What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Adam Bower wrote: > > Are you using ext3 or reiserfs or XFS? > Sorry - I've half-jobbed! I should have said it's a Slackware 8.1 system using ext2 and kernel 2.4.18. raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk wrote: > > sync runs every 30 secs to flush the disk buffers. > This sounds a bit fundamental. Does this mean that, in general, Linux users never allow their HDDs to sleep then? Gerald.

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meetings
by Kamel Saadi 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi, I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. Regards. Kamel.

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Power management
by BenEBoy 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I don't suppose anyone knows how to turn off the standby mode thingy in linux (heh, I'm well up to speed on my terminology aren't I?). It is damned annoying having the monitor turn itself off after 15 minutes or so of being unattended :-) Especially when watching the pretty visuals from various XMMS plugins. I've checked all the places I could think of, but can't find hide nor hair of it. cheers, BenE (Oh, using linuxfromscratch 4.0 BTW)

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Re: [Alug] Introduction to the group
by Edenyard 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Syd Hancock wrote: > (....) > So, is anyone interested? > Yes! In my own case, the closer a meet is to my own front door step (so to speak), the higher the probability that I'll attend. This is solely due to lack of time, rather than apathy. Every hour spent travelling is an hour not spent shortening the (seemingly) endless list of clients' problems - and solving those is what puts bread on my table! Don't know whether that was the answer you wanted or not, Syd... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Introduction to the group
by Syd Hancock 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

> Hmmm.... Seems like people HAVE indeed heard of this part of > the world. Maybe we need a special East Suffolk Branch? You know, I've thought for some time that one of the difficulties that we face is that ALUG covers a very large area. As linux use spreads then perhaps we need to focus on smaller catchment areas. It is significant, for example, that the Norwich PC user group has recently held two monthly meetings devoted to linux. Of course is important to avoid schisms and splintering - or even to give the appearance of setting off alone. Within the LUG structure, is there any provision for local groups, affiliated to a regional umbrella group (e.g. a Martesham LUG affiliated to ALUG)? Just a thought thrown open for discussion. Syd

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apt setup help
by Paul 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

After trawling though the man pages for apt, apt-get, apt.conf and synaptic, I can't see how to set the system up to use a local repository. Searched the alug archives for an answer to no avail.. The packages need to be on a hard drive so that I can mess around on a box that doesn't have internet access... So two questions for the apt-experts.. What do I need to add to /etc/apt/apt.conf or *.lists to get Synaptic to use a local directory ? Do I need to auto-generate a package list to resolve dependency problems, or does apt do this without prompting ? Regards, Paul. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password."

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Evening Meetings
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Like some others, I find it a bit difficult to get to meetings a weekends at the moment, but there's nothing to stop those of us who do live in a local area getting together anytime to have a pint and talk shop. Is there any interest in an evening meet in or around the Norwich area sometime for us locals? Any suggestions for a venue? Keith ____________ EXPERT, n. see EX - a has been, and SPURT - a drip.

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Introduction to the group
by Edenyard 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Hmmm.... Seems like people HAVE indeed heard of this part of the world. Maybe we need a special East Suffolk Branch? I was beginning to think that Norwich had a monopoly on ALUG. Gerald (Martlesham) ("Where...?") Neil Marjoram wrote: > Based in Ipswich. iD <id(a)nooped.com> wrote: >> Where about in suffolk then? I live near Beccles. > Ipswich.

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RE: [Alug] Is GNU/Linux more secure than Windows?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> Incidentally, is The Cuckoo's Egg as good a read? I lent an alugger my copy and can't remember who, if anyone has a copy and don't know where it came from? No response on the alug library books yet, - anyone? Jen

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RE: [Alug] Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> From: Adam Bower > > > I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux > > and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to > start. Has > > anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your > > opinion of it? > > Unfortunately not. > > > Any alternative recommendations? > > I have been using O'Reillys Safari http://safari.oreilly.com > for books, both > to read online and consider before purchasing dead tree > versions. It works > out at about 10 quid a month for access to a ten "point" > bookshelf (about > ten books) and you get a 2 week free trial at the moment. It > may be a way to > consider which dead tree books you want to try. > Safari looks interesting, thanks for the tip. Keith ____________ MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to start. Has anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your opinion of it? Any alternative recommendations? Keith ____________ Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

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RE: [Alug] Grub issues
by Adam Bower 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> > What speed AGP is it? (the gfx card) > > 4x, Ti 4400 Should be less of a problem then as the card is not AGP3.0 > > and which agp drivers are you using? If > > you are using an AGP 3.0 card then things may get > interesting as the standard > > kernel doesnt' support them yet, > > It worked perfectly with a Abit KG7-RAID Which is an AMD 761 based board, these have AGP support in the kernel. > its the 31-23 i think. 31-something. > the kernel module is called NVdriver Try using the newer drivers, they are up to version 41something something.... You could try the disabling AGP to start with though, as thats only 1 line in the config file and may narrow it down a bit. Adam

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Link to a Story of a Denial of Service Attack
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Although this is about holes in the Windows OS, I'd be interested to know what those members of the list who know a bit about TCP etc. think about this, and if any of it applies to GNU/Linux. Follow this link to read an absolutely fascinating story about a denial of service attack on an windows internet security expert's web site and what he did about it. <http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm> Keith ____________ CONSOLATION, n. The knowledge that a better man is more unfortunate than yourself. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Grub issues
by Tristan Scott 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I have a 750 pIII with Gentoo on it, got the system cheap cos i work in a computer shop. built OS, kernel and so on, but im having trouble with grub.... now, the help file said to : # grub grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit # nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf nano> default 0 nano> timeout 30 nano> # there is a splash image here, but i cant remember the path, and commenting nano> # it out doesnt change things nano> nano> title Mp3/web server nano> root (hd0,0) nano> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage root=/dev/hda2 nano> when i run grub> setup (hd0), i get a messages about grub.conf - a positive message. copying it to manu.lst dosent work either. when i boot, i get grub screen, as if i had run grub from the command prompt. no sign of the splash screen. i assume this is a broken config? if i then type: grub> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage grub> boot the system will boot as normal. BTW hda1 = /boot = 50mb hda2 = / = ~19.8GB hda3 = swap = 150mb ideally i want this booting, then ill build apache, mysql, php and all the other stuff. the 20gb is temporary, will buy an 80GB and serve streaming mp3s from a website over the local lan. YAY-YAY-YAY my new system ariving today: chaintech 7njs deluxe (nforce2, 3 PATA, 2SATA channels) 2600+ 333fsb 2 x 512mb crucial PC2700 2x abit serielle SATA adaptors for PATA drives 550 watt PSU, gold, twin transparent fans 'silent' Volcano 9, dabs eta 2 weeks, Dragon Orb 3 hairdryer for now. total bill? 604 (including paying myself at 35 p/h to build it... he he he) Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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If you are a newcomer to Unix/Linux
by Keith Watson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

If you joined ALUG because you've just started to look at GNU/Linux and have no previous experience of unix type operating systems, you might find the article "Unix is a 4 letter word" at this site <http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/> helpful. Keith ____________ Since it is no part of the words we unthinkingly use, it leaves no trace in the things we say. Dogen

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