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RE: [Alug] Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> From: Adam Bower > > > I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux > > and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to > start. Has > > anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your > > opinion of it? > > Unfortunately not. > > > Any alternative recommendations? > > I have been using O'Reillys Safari http://safari.oreilly.com > for books, both > to read online and consider before purchasing dead tree > versions. It works > out at about 10 quid a month for access to a ten "point" > bookshelf (about > ten books) and you get a 2 week free trial at the moment. It > may be a way to > consider which dead tree books you want to try. > Safari looks interesting, thanks for the tip. Keith ____________ MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to start. Has anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your opinion of it? Any alternative recommendations? Keith ____________ Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

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RE: [Alug] Grub issues
by Adam Bower 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> > What speed AGP is it? (the gfx card) > > 4x, Ti 4400 Should be less of a problem then as the card is not AGP3.0 > > and which agp drivers are you using? If > > you are using an AGP 3.0 card then things may get > interesting as the standard > > kernel doesnt' support them yet, > > It worked perfectly with a Abit KG7-RAID Which is an AMD 761 based board, these have AGP support in the kernel. > its the 31-23 i think. 31-something. > the kernel module is called NVdriver Try using the newer drivers, they are up to version 41something something.... You could try the disabling AGP to start with though, as thats only 1 line in the config file and may narrow it down a bit. Adam

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Link to a Story of a Denial of Service Attack
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Although this is about holes in the Windows OS, I'd be interested to know what those members of the list who know a bit about TCP etc. think about this, and if any of it applies to GNU/Linux. Follow this link to read an absolutely fascinating story about a denial of service attack on an windows internet security expert's web site and what he did about it. <http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm> Keith ____________ CONSOLATION, n. The knowledge that a better man is more unfortunate than yourself. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Grub issues
by Tristan Scott 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I have a 750 pIII with Gentoo on it, got the system cheap cos i work in a computer shop. built OS, kernel and so on, but im having trouble with grub.... now, the help file said to : # grub grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit # nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf nano> default 0 nano> timeout 30 nano> # there is a splash image here, but i cant remember the path, and commenting nano> # it out doesnt change things nano> nano> title Mp3/web server nano> root (hd0,0) nano> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage root=/dev/hda2 nano> when i run grub> setup (hd0), i get a messages about grub.conf - a positive message. copying it to manu.lst dosent work either. when i boot, i get grub screen, as if i had run grub from the command prompt. no sign of the splash screen. i assume this is a broken config? if i then type: grub> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage grub> boot the system will boot as normal. BTW hda1 = /boot = 50mb hda2 = / = ~19.8GB hda3 = swap = 150mb ideally i want this booting, then ill build apache, mysql, php and all the other stuff. the 20gb is temporary, will buy an 80GB and serve streaming mp3s from a website over the local lan. YAY-YAY-YAY my new system ariving today: chaintech 7njs deluxe (nforce2, 3 PATA, 2SATA channels) 2600+ 333fsb 2 x 512mb crucial PC2700 2x abit serielle SATA adaptors for PATA drives 550 watt PSU, gold, twin transparent fans 'silent' Volcano 9, dabs eta 2 weeks, Dragon Orb 3 hairdryer for now. total bill? 604 (including paying myself at 35 p/h to build it... he he he) Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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If you are a newcomer to Unix/Linux
by Keith Watson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

If you joined ALUG because you've just started to look at GNU/Linux and have no previous experience of unix type operating systems, you might find the article "Unix is a 4 letter word" at this site <http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/> helpful. Keith ____________ Since it is no part of the words we unthinkingly use, it leaves no trace in the things we say. Dogen

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Linux Enhances..... Shakespeare!
by Craig 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/24/1412226.shtml?tid=186&tid=106 Coolness........ if you can get to the site! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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How to remove an operating system
by Karl Middleton 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Can anyone advise on how to safely remove an operating system on a dual boot laptop? I have a laptop with a WIN XP partition and a Red Hat 7.2 partition, with GRUB as the boot manager. As I've now got a PC I can use as a dedicated Linux system I now need to put the laptop back to a single operating system Windoze XP. I have Partition Magic 7.0, but I'm concerned about just repartitioning/reformating the Linux partition. I don't want to end up with an unbootable laptop. Preferably I would end up with just one partition (Windows C:) and the laptop would boot straight into Windows without any boot manager program. Has anyone experience in this area got suggestions as to how to proceed safely? Thanks Karl Middleton

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My introduction post. :)
by iD 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Hi, I've been subscribed to the list for some time now, but never actually got around to introducing myself. So here goes: I'm Wayne, 16, from Suffolk. I've been using Linux for just under a year and find it to be one of the most interesting operating systems I've come across. I hope that possibly I can be of some help answering any easier questions on the list. :) iD, id(a)nooped.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The better the state is established, the fainter is humanity. To make the individual uncomfortable, that is my task. -- Nietzsche

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Introduction to the group
by Neil Marjoram 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

OK, I've never actually joined a LUG before, which is strange since I've been working with Linux now for 5 years and Unix since 1994, I don't know what to expect from the group, but hope I will be of some help to further the cause. Quick run down of me : Neil Marjoram. Age over 30! Married, no kids, one dog. Based in Ipswich. Interests : Motorsport ( http://www.ecmc.co.uk ) / Local ghost stories / history. Systems at home : 1 x SMP RH 8.0 / 1 x Cyrix 500 RH 8.0 / 1 x Portege 2000 RH 8.0 Systems at work : 35 various RH 7.3 / Solaris 8 / 7 / 2.6 Computer Qualifications : RHCE RH 8.0 / AIX 4.3 I currentlly work for the Victoria & Albert Museum ( http://www.vam.ac.uk ), in charge of all *nix systems. Specialist subjects : Apache / Tomcat / Security / Sysadmin I won't bore you any more, hope I can be of some help to everybody in the group. Neil. PS, wife may be able to answer PHP / Java / Oracle / Mysql questions - but don't quote me! -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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Domain Name Hosting
by tom potts 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Ian, www.ukreg.com are pretty good - less that £10 py for .com, 50 e-mail redirects etc and moderately fast e-mail help. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Recommendations for Domain Name hosting?
by Ian Douglas 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

Hi Folks, I am currently toying with the idea of registering a domain name. It is something I have never done before so would appreciate advice from more experienced ALUGers on which hosting company to choose. I do not currently have a webpage/website so, although I would like to choose a company which would allow this so as to keep my options open for the future, my main purpose for registering a domain name is to be able to quote it to people to use for sending me email. I would preferably like the hosting company to allow me an infinite number of username mailboxes for incoming emails for my domain name (i.e so I can use ian(a)mydomainname.com, usefullmail(a)mydomainname.com, unwantedspam(a)mydomainname.com, deleteonreciept(a)mydomainname.com etc). I am not bothered whether I need to collect incoming emails from the hosting company myself via POP or whether they simply automatically redirect my incoming emails to my existing email account with my existing ISP. Are there any particular domain name hosting companies more experienced ALUGers could recommend? Or, alternatively, any horror stories about experiences with other companies that people would like to share with me to warn me about them (though these negative comments may be best sent privately to me rather than posted on the public ALUG list)? I live in Ipswich. If I find any small, local, domain name hosting companies would ALUGers recommend I use them or should I choose one of the big companies based in America? Finally, a practical question about actually registering my domain name: I have noticed that some companies entries in the WHOIS database include their address and telephone number as well as a contact name. Obviously, as a private individual, I am not too keen on the entire world knowing my address and telephone number as I have enough problems with email spam and don't want this nuisance expanded with loads of unsolicited paper mail and telephone calls as well. Is the publication of address and telephone number information compulsory or is it possible to just register a contact name when registering a domain name? Thanks in advance for your patience in answering my dumb questions! Ian.

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Recommendations for MP3 editor
by Keith Watson 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

I'm looking for a Debian package that provides a simple audio editor for some MP3's I have. Scanning the Debian site I've seen sweep, ecawave and audacity. Has anyone used any of these and, if so, what are your thoughts about them? Keith ____________ When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, in its place is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.

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Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS
by Tristan 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

anyone else interested? me and one of my friends (also in cantley) are interested, that makes 3 that i know of! Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> To: "Tristan" <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > I have no idea how many people are interested at the moment its still a plan > forming, and with an exam tomorrow (MCP Win 2k) and a baby. I hope to start > doing some work on it soon thou. > > Not sure about costs yet, dont think they will be as high as satelitte > installs thou! ;o) > > Would probably just have to have a high gain arial for each village, then > some form of inipendant wireless network for that area. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tristan [mailto:trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 06 March 2003 08:56 > To: Michael Sage > Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > they'll be raid 5 probably, so very unlikely i have that issues (yes i know > that cuts me down to 360Gb). hmm dunno about install, but FTP is probably > easiest. if i can be borthered, ill put gentoo on it, boot from floppy, > mount RAID, scp distribution, and orf we go (maybe). > how many other people have you got not interested in paying? > do you know how much the wireless stuff will be, and will a standard card > with a big ariel do it? methinks you'd have to boost transmissions somehow, > maybe a powered amp/arial? > > Tristan Scott > Computer Engineer > PC-Seller PLC > 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub > Norwich > NR3 2RX > Tel: 01603 442233 > Fax: 01603 404410 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> > To: "Tristan" <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > Hmmm, OK, but no back up or CD Rom, good luck with the FTP or network > > install! ;o) The better option (if not slightly more expensive) is to go > for > > SCSI (you could just use it for the CD ROM I suppose and possibly a tape > > drive), any way good luck and I will let you know. > > > > I am gonna get to work on the pipe scheme, got someone coming to talk to > me > > at work about it on Friday so I will let you know. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tristan [mailto:trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: 03 March 2003 09:11 > > To: Michael Sage > > Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > > > > BTW, you will be lucky if you can find a Celeron board that will take a > TB > > > of storage!!! > > > > 4 ide channels, 4 120gb drives, raid or LVM to get one big one, 480 GB.... > > > > Tristan Scott > > Computer Engineer > > PC-Seller PLC > > 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub > > Norwich > > NR3 2RX > > Tel: 01603 442233 > > Fax: 01603 404410 > > > > > > <snippage> > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 > >

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RE: [Alug] filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

>Sounds like there was a hitch on startup and your fsck'ed filesystems weren't remounted as read-write. > >1st stupid question (from me that is :o) ), have you tried rebooting again? Keith: Obviously wasn't so stupid! Thanks Jen :-)

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filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Hi, My box had a problem with usb and hung. When I rebooted, it hung for ages on "cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20030319.log. Read-only file system" then continued booting but brought up similar messages about not being able to create various files. Looking at 20030319.log, the permissions are 644 and it was created at the time of the reboot. It consists of lines such as 20030319 111648 start /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- usb0 safemode=1 20030319 111648 probe ended over and over. Commands such as "cp" and "rm" will no longer work, nor will vi, as I appear to be running a "read-only" file system. Flavour is debian, kernel 2.4.19. Can anybody help? I'm not too hot on file-system types. Many thanks, Jenny.

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filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

I wrote: >My box had a problem with usb and hung. When I rebooted, it hung for ages >on "cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20030319.log. Read-only file system" >then continued booting but brought up similar messages about not being able >to create various files. >Looking at 20030319.log, the permissions are 644 and it was created at the >time of the reboot. It consists of lines such as >20030319 111648 start /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- usb0 safemode=1 >20030319 111648 probe ended >over and over. >Commands such as "cp" and "rm" will no longer work, nor will vi, as I >appear to be running a "read-only" file system. >Flavour is debian, kernel 2.4.19. >Can anybody help? I'm not too hot on file-system types. >Many thanks, >Jenny. Problem seems sorted - I did a clean shutdown and reboot, and it ran fsck telling me hadn't shut down cleanly. I suppose that means it hadn't run on the previous boot even though it said it had. It seems okay now. My box has only crashed twice in the space of a year and both times has been a usb problem. Ta. Jen.

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FW: "Unix Text Processing"
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

Folks, A broadcast message (apologies to all who thereby receive cross-postings) to let you know that the excellent book "Unix Text Processing", originally by Dale Dougherty and Tim Reilly and published in 1987 by O'Reilly and Associates (increasingly famous for the outstanding series of "O'Reillys" on all sorts of aspects of Unix and Linux):-- -- having been released into the public domain by O'Reilly has been re-created as groff source code by a team of volunteers coordinated by Larry Kollar, and reformatted into PostScript and PDF. The result, now at "beta 2.1a", is available from http://www.alltel.net/~kollar/utp/ and is essentially complete. For those of you who may wonder what it's really about: -- it covers the use of Unix troff and friends, and the use of many of the general Unix utilities (vi, ex, sed, awk etc) in the coordinated way that Unix (and of course Linux) so readily permits, to produce high quality and sophisticated documents and books of almost arbitrary complexity, with the writer having control over the finest detail of layout and typesetting. Future planned developments will bring the book up to date with respect to the more recent devopments embodied in GNU groff, James Clark's re-creation of the Unix troff suite of programs. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Mar-03 Time: 19:28:28 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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I was at the meeting venue today, where was everyone else?
by Ashley 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

I was at UEA today, in Union House, in the correct room, at 2:20pm. However, no-one else was around. In fact, there was no indication that the ALUG meeting was ever going to happen, i.e. no signs, no notices in the room, etc. What happened? I waited a few minutes, assumed the meeting had been cancelled and went back home. Is this the start of the Cambridge CLUG experience, i.e. the meeting is at this specific venue, but you have to 'use the force' to find the other members! -- Ashley T. Howes PhD http://www.ashleyhowes.com "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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ODBC on RH8
by Tony Dietrich 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

I've just started try to do some programming on a Linux based system, after years of working in WinDoze. One of the first hurdles I'm facing is that the current project requires accessing a remote MySql server (remote, but on the same LAN). I'm assuming its possible to set up some sort of ODBC service, but for the life of me I can't find out the right way to do this. Has anyone got any hints please? I'm using NetBeans or KDevelop, as my programming environment, it that affects anything :P -- Tony Dietrich Transoft Computer Consultants 07769710115

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modem driver
by Kamel Saadi 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Hi , I have an intel 536ep modem and a red hat linux 7.0(kernel 2.2.x) on my machine, the only driver I could find is for the 2.4.x kernel, can anyone help? Cheers.

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #3 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) From: mjr(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk (MJ Ray) Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) From: James Edward John Taylor <J.E.Taylor(a)uea.ac.uk> Subject: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:42:27 +0000 Hello ya'll. I havee been informed that there was a provisinal date for the UEA meeting of ALUG this weekend (Sunday 16th March). As opposed to the previous UEA meeting, this one will be ... semi organised!!!. I have booked a room in Union House for it, and will try to get there early enough to put up relevent penguin pictures pointing to room 1.33 which is the bigg room at the end of the corridor... the only problem with this room is that if we have more then sixty people turn up, then we will be forced to turn some away... Anyone else comming or will it be me on my tod? Is anyone bringing anything cool or semi-cool, or not cool at all but wants to make it cool? Anyone wanting to do a demonstration/presentation/speach at all? Anyways, tis all from me for now J _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [SLL] "Unix Text Processing"
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

On 14-Mar-03 Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > This book is on my shelf and it says "Hayden Books" (of Howard Sams). > > It includes easy-to-understand chapters on unix fundamentals, using vi, > nroff, some macros, and drawing images (which I have not done yet). > > It has been quite useful even to this day. > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ Thanks! You are right, and apologies for the error. Tim O'Reilly, none the less, went on to publish the "O'Reilly" books, and great tribute is in order for this most useful series. Best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Mar-03 Time: 22:47:14 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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