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Gnome 1.4 Startup Program Problem
by Keith Watson 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Any ideas on this one? My system is based on Debian Woody, I'm using Gnome 1.4 with Enlightenment 0.16.5 with Nautilus as my desktop manager (so I can drop icons on the desktop - works a treat! :o) ). I'm using 'chbg' to randomly change my desktop background and that works fine too Problem is I've set chbg as an application to startup with Gnome when I log in, trouble with that is that each time I log out and then back in another copy of chbg starts up. How do I prevent multiple copies of chbg starting up? Keith ____________ Courage does not always roar, sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying; 'Sod it! Let's go down the pub!!'

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UEA meeting (16th March)
by James Edward John Taylor 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Hello ya'll. I havee been informed that there was a provisinal date for the UEA meeting of ALUG this weekend (Sunday 16th March). As opposed to the previous UEA meeting, this one will be ... semi organised!!!. I have booked a room in Union House for it, and will try to get there early enough to put up relevent penguin pictures pointing to room 1.33 which is the bigg room at the end of the corridor... the only problem with this room is that if we have more then sixty people turn up, then we will be forced to turn some away... Anyone else comming or will it be me on my tod? Is anyone bringing anything cool or semi-cool, or not cool at all but wants to make it cool? Anyone wanting to do a demonstration/presentation/speach at all? Anyways, tis all from me for now J

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Re: [Alug] Changing file owners
by Edenyard 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Many thanks to everyone who sent me help on fixing my file ownership problems. Chown -R worked perfectly. Another one for the notebook! Thanks again, Gerald.

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Changing file owners
by Edenyard 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

Dear All, I'd be grateful for some guidance on this. As a Linux novice, I set up my system and used it with gay abandon as root (I know, I know...), gathering all sorts of useful data on the disk. Now I know better (!), I have different user accounts, but the problem is that I have entire directories with subdirectories under them and files in all those, all of which belong to root/root. WHen I want to move them as an ordinary user, of course I'm denied access. My question is: is there a command that I can issue (as root, presumably) that will go through an entire directory (including all the subs and files in each), changing the ownership of everything to what I specify (e.g., root/users or gerald/users, perhaps)? Any clues most welcome! Gerald.

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wvstreams
by BenEBoy 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Could anyone help please? I'm trying to compile wvstreams under linux 2.4.20 & gcc 3.2 (on my LFS system) but it keeps moaning about assigning a char** to a const char ** in wvcrypto.cc. I've tried patching it to sort out the problems it has with gcc 3.2 but it still doesn't work. Could someone shine some light for me please? please? cheers, BenE

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re:alug modem driver
by tom potts 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

If you can get the source then you should be able to re-build it for you machine - failing that why not upgrade your kernel - it always works for me (when I playing around it does) Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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How do I low level format a hard disk?
by Ian Douglas 11 Mar '03

11 Mar '03

Hi Folks, I was happily using my dual-boot Windows/Linux hard disk this morning when the PC suddenly locked up. If I now try to boot it I get the error message "Missing Operating System". If I boot from a Knoppix CD and do fdisk the confused entries in my partition table suggest my hard disk is about 70GB (when it is actually only 6GB). I am not sure what Linux repair tools would be any use, but if I run my Windows Norton's Utilities Disk Doctor program from CD it instantly comes back saying "Norton Disk Doctor cannot continue testing this disk. Only a low-level format will correct the error found". Searching back through my brain I seem to recall that many years ago I performed a low-level format on a hard disk using a facility within the PC's BIOS but cannot find this facility on my current PC (Compaq Deskpro 4000). Is anyone aware of any Linux progs which will perform a low level format of a hard disk? Thanks, Ian. PS: Don't know if it is relevant but the hard disk is a Quantum Fireball CR64A013

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Re: [Alug] Digital Camera
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

Ian Bell wrote: >I have now been a bought a digital camaera, the Olympus C-120 which seems to >be the replacement for the D-380. It plugs into USB OK, gets detected and >SCSI emulated. However I cannot mount it. dmesg gives the following error >concerning it: > >usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed dev 3 rqt 128 rq 6 len 18 rt -6 > >Any clues what is wrong and how to fix it? > >Cheers, > >Ian Ian, I doubt this helps, but I have to mount my camera via usb as type vfat, I have an entry in /etc/fstab that runs: /dev/sda1 /casio vfat ro,noauto,user 0 0 Jenny

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Digital Camera
by Ian Bell 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

I want to buy and inexpensive digital camera from which I can capture pictures on my PC via USB. 2 megapixels will do me but of course I want it to be linux friendly. Any recommendations? Ian P.S At a pinch, transferring images via flash memory would be OK too.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 10 Mar '03

10 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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bridge identification
by atit_ldce 06 Mar '03

06 Mar '03

hello... i am using red hat linux 7.1 which is connected to local ethernet i want to identify bride(s) in my network if any exists.. if exist i want to know address of the same... is there any utility or software for this... _____________________________________________________________________ Get your internet connection from the fastest growing digital network. ICENET visit our site www.icenet.net

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 03 Mar '03

03 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS
by Michael Sage 02 Mar '03

02 Mar '03

Tristan, I have just printed off a map for having Freethorpe as the broadcast centre. I think within 2.5 miles should be easy enough to do (bit of hardware cost involved for each thou). It would then cover: Beighton Halvergate Freethorpe Cantley Reedham I suspect within this area we should be able to get enough interest to make it viable. We can always have a line bigger than a meg put in here, although to be honest most people will be happy to have a perminant connection let alone more bandwidth, I know I would be, I have even looked at 64kbps leased lines, I want it more for the IP and the hosting stuff at home more than anything. If we just do the maths quickly. 1mb = 1024kb 1024 / 64 (the minium people would want) = 16 16 / 8000 (yearly cost) = 41.67per month To get down to the 64Kbps all people would have to be connected at once, BT have a 50:1 contention ratio on 512kbp ADSL pipes in a worst case this means people will only get 20Kbps so maybe we should let a couple more in?? Ideas please. Michael -----Original Message----- From: Tristan [mailto:trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 01 March 2003 12:22 To: Michael Sage Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > If you could stick up a big enough arial and i can see you from here there great! hmm maybe i can pursuade the factory to let me use their silos.... no maybe not. is there going to be abroadband on this wan somewhere? i am /probably/ getting satellite link to the net (download only), so about 4-6 movies (divx) per night, according to a current subscriber. i am planning to get a small celery 1ghz - something like that, and put something like half a terabyte in, then it will sit there and grab any file going past (as the files are pushed during the night mainly) this could act as a file server for the network. ill probably put my mp3 collection on it too (20gb). this is going to take a while as ive just bought another BMW and have to pay for that first. 2 months maybe? probably nearer 4... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> To: "Tristan Scott" <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > If you could stick up a big enough arial and i can see you from here there > is no reason why not, wireless arials will do about 30k as the crow flies, > so there is no reason why not! :o) > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Tristan Scott > Sent: 22 February 2003 11:21 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > hmm if freethorpe got it, would it reach to cantley? no methinks not. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> > To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:03 PM > Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > Jen et al, > > > > The problem with invisible is they are only interested in commercially > > viable villages, which unfortunately Freethorpe isnt. I have been to one > of > > their meetings and what they do is put a leased line into a village and > then > > setup a wireless network round the village, they seemed to be a bit > unclear > > on the old security frount too, like talking about setting up a village > > server that all could access etc, this is not ideal as my missues (now > with > > month old baby) runsa business from home..... hmmmm. > > > > Regards, > > > > M > > > > BTW good to see the interest is there, maybe a ALUG meeting on it?? :o) > pref > > at the UEA, or I could see if we could get the village hall here, bit of a > > travel prob thou i feel. :o| > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of jenny > > Sent: 20 February 2003 09:56 > > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > Subject: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > > > Michael Sage wrote: > > >I would like to make an appeal to all of you without broadband in the > area, > > >how would you feel about setting up a wireless wan (they are doing it all > > >over the country and in other regions (Suffolk, Cambridge)). > > Hi Michael, > > a company called Invisible Networks are setting up the wireless broadband > > around Cambridgeshire, I'm trying to get it in Burwell at the moment. The > > CA are supplying grants if you apply in the correct manner to bring down > the > > installation fee. Perhaps IN will come to Norfolk if there is enough > > interest? > > Jen. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? 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Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems
by Craig 02 Mar '03

02 Mar '03

On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:32:29AM +0000, Chris Walker wrote: > Why am I keen to buy an internal rather than an external or USB? The box > doesn't have a USB outlet on it but even if it did, I'd have the problem with > that as I'd have with a normal external device and that is leads and power. > I already have an external modem - 56k USR - on it and if I'm to leave the > smoothie box on all the time I'd like to have as few other things switched on > at the same time. http://www.dslsource.co.uk Go there, you're better off getting a adsl router with firewall built in anyway. Something like the speedtouch pro single port adsl router. Worth considering. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux

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Great new plans for alug library afoot!
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Feb '03

28 Feb '03

Hullo All, Adam, Kirsty and I have agreed to share the job of setting up and running the alug library. We are hoping that one or the other of us can take the books to each meeting for members to browse through and borrow. We will even keep overdue fines low - say, two chocolate biscuits per book per week late? ;-) Our first job will be to try and gather together all the books we currently have, then have a think about how to get some more donations or freebies. Any ideas please mail us offlist, and if anyone currently has any alug books, could they do the same so we can start catalogueing them? I hold my hands up to having had Cathedral and Bazaar for at least three months, that is about ten packets of chocolate hobnobs I need to bring to the next meeting by now. Whilst I'm here: I'm currently working on some extremely exciting stuff here at work, and spend all day doing R&D with linux. It occurred to me recently that two years ago I was doing a very different job using very different software, and although I still ask ridiculous questions from time to time of the list, I would like to thank everyone for the help I got when I first joined and my ridiculous questions averaged three a day - your help and patient answers have stood me in good stead. Thanks! :-) Jenny.

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desktop icons
by BenEBoy 27 Feb '03

27 Feb '03

I don't suppose anyone knows of a program that can put icons on the desktop pls? I'm using fluxbox, and although I've seen nautilus working with it, I'm not a fan. It's a bit too...I dunno...clunky? I haven't been able to google anything (which I'm ashamed at ::grin::) and I've been racking my brain, but I don't think I've ever heard of anything apart from nautilus that will do it (well, apart from kde, but I don't fancy hacking the code out ::grin::) cheers, BenE

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Job Vacancy: Moving Picture Company (London)
by Martyn Drake 27 Feb '03

27 Feb '03

Hi folks, We're advertising here at MPC, and I thought anybody who might be thinking about heading down London way to work might be interested in the following vacancy:- -- Begin Quote -- MPC requires Unix Systems Administrators to help with all aspects of running its large network of mainly Linux plus some IRIX and Solaris servers and workstations. A background in video/film/post production would be useful, but not essential. Applicants should have a strong background in: - Network infrastructure (network protocols, routing, firewalls etc.). - Installation, configuration, customization and optimization of Unix operating systems and application software. - Use of various Unix scripting languages, (shell scripts, perl, tcl etc.). - Problem solving and troubleshooting system and user support issues. Please submit your cv for the attention of Rebecca Hare, The Moving Picture Company, 127 Wardour Street, London W1F ONL, or email rebecca-h(a)moving-picture.com -- End Quote -- Regards, Martyn Drake -- Systems Administrator The Moving Picture Company 127 Wardour Street, London, W1F 0NL Telephone: +44 (0)20 7494 7853 (direct line)

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Wireless WANS (i.e. Norfolk)
by Michael Sage 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

To Fellow ALUGers, I would like to make an appeal to all of you without broadband in the area, how would you feel about setting up a wireless wan (they are doing it all over the country and in other regions (Suffolk, Cambridge)). As I live in the middle of no where I am not commercially viable, but I believe with the power of the penguin I can jump onto someone else's wireless network, with their permission and do things that way. Check out http://locustworld.com for the meshAP kit, which we can build cheaper, also www.invisible.net.uk for other stuff. Let me know what u think! Maybe ALUG can be held responsible for the birth of Norfolknet! Regards to all, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003

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Linux, Java, etc tutorials
by Keith Watson 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

A colleague has just pointed me in the direction of the IBM DeveloperWorks site <www.ibm.com/developerworks>. They have a number of areas which they call "Technology Zones" one of which is Linux, if you go to a zone and then select Education from the left hand menu there are a number of tutorials that look interesting e.g. Introduction to XFree86 4.X, Configuring TCP/IP under Linux, Backing up your Linux machines, CVS for the developer or amateur, Getting to know GRUB, Compiling and installing software from sources, to name but a few. You can view them online or download zipped HTML or a PDF. You'll need to register (but what the heck, on the internet no one know you're a dog ;-) ) I've skimmed through a couple and my 1st impression is that they're useful introductory material but tend to lack a bit of detail. Probably a good starting point for someone new to a topic before getting into the more detailed stuff. Keith ____________ BAROMETER, n. An ingenious instrument which indicates what kind of weather we are having. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Slashdot : UK ISP Imposes Download Limits
by Keith Watson 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

<http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/09/2210214> [0]Richard_at_work writes "The BBC news site is [1]reporting that NTL have announced it will be imposing 1GB download limits per day for its users. As you can guess, [2]reactions have not been mild :) One thing to note, NTL has said that they will only be persuing persistent offenders, so i guess they understand you cant track your usage to the byte! Also with NTL, they appear to [3]ban the usage of VPNs, citing that their service is for resedential use only. Does this mean I can't email work now?" Links 0. http://www.mysterae.com/ 1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2740621.stm 2. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7676 3. http://www.adslguide.org.uk/newsarchive.asp?item=993 Keith ____________ The more you wonder why it's so, the more it keeps on happening.

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Ponderment, nbd, and some examples
by Brett Parker 26 Feb '03

26 Feb '03

Hi all, Recently came across the URLs below and wondered if anyone has used this type system setup. http://www.it.uc3m.es/~ptb/nbd/ http://wellquite.org/redundant/ Looks like a nice idea, just not sure what performance will be like. Cheers, Brett

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Re: [Alug] Alug library, Was: Todays meeting - report available.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Mark J Ray wrote: >Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: >> I'll whisk up a database if it would be useful,though. Let me know. > >Offlsit. Or if you keep bothering me, I'll install the koha library >software here and you can admin it ;-) > >MJR "offlsit"? Oh flip, find less severe interests todo? oh, fabulous, friendly literature stores increase totalitarians? koha looks good, would be easier since it is there already, but is it a bit over the top for the twenty-odd books alug has? Adminning needs to be done by whoever is most regularly at meetings, unless it is done by post, which is a bit daft as books are heavy. Adam has offered to admin, but supposing he doesn't go to a meeting for whatever reason and he has all the books, and someone wants to borrow/return one and he isn't there? I'm sure we went round all this last year and it kind of fizzled out in the end. Jenny

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FW: tux - the linux pengiun
by Martyn Drake 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Just thought I would forward the following email from a company called "More Balls Than Most".. Whether it's worth taking up their offer I'll leave up to you folks.. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | Email : martyn-d(a)moving-picture.com Systems Administrator | Web : http://www.moving-picture.com The Moving Picture Company | Phone : +44 (0)20 7494 7853 -----Original Message----- From: Janis Irving [mailto:janis@juggling.co.uk] Sent: 25 February 2003 15:53 To: martyn(a)drake.org.uk Subject: FW: tux - the linux pengiun Dear Sir, We are manufacturers and suppliers of product suitable for use in the promotions industry and one of our stress shapes is a Tux, the Linux pengiun which we would like to offer forward to you for use as a promotion. Of course, we have other stress shapes available and would welcome the opportunity of submitting a brochure to you for your immediate or future use - if you can let us have your address we will send a brochure by return post. I hope that we can work with you on your next promotion and look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Janis Irving More Balls Than Most Wren House, 19-20 Exchange Road Watford, Hertfordshire, WD18 OJG T: 00 44 + (0) 1923 492525 F: 00 44 + (0) 1923 492599 www.juggling.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Alug library, Was: Todays meeting - report available.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

Adam Bower wrote: >On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 08:57:45AM +0000, Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: >> >> Re. the library - I have the ALUG copy of "Cathedral and Bazaar" still. >> Wat does the librarian job involve? > >wearing glasses and going "Sssshhhhhhh!" lots > >:) > >actually it means going to lots of meetings and taking books and making sure >who says they have a book has it, and tracking them down etc. Bit like running >a library really but more distributed. I don't mind being librarian now, as I >will actually be coming to meetings again, (i promise not to move outside East >Anglia again for at least a month or two ;)) unless you want to do it. > >Adam I thought about a very simple database up on the website with a catalogue of books in one table and the ins and outs by different people in another, but this requires a server with postgres enabled. (I've got one, as it happens, but it would end up being a separate entity from the main alug site). Also my attendance at meetings has been low recently due mostly to house renovation, so I wouldn't be so good at the being there behind the book counter hissing when you speak and frowning. And I don't wear glasses. I'll whisk up a database if it would be useful,though. Let me know. Jenny.

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need help about setpcaps
by atit_ldce 25 Feb '03

25 Feb '03

with setpcaps i am doing as below.. [root@linux139 root]# setpcaps "cap_net_admin+iep cap_chown+iep cap_net_raw+p" <process ID> now i want to revoke cap_net_raw (present) and cap_chown (effective) from process what will be syantax for that.... thanks _____________________________________________________________________ Get your internet connection from the fastest growing digital network. ICENET visit our site www.icenet.net

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