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Re: [Alug] Woody
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Adam Bower wrote: >I am usually >on most evenings from about 8ish but if i don't reply immediatly don't think I >won't see anything written there. Oops, do you mean you've been reading all those terrible things I've been saying about you behind your back then? ;-) Jen.

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Threats to free software
by Chris Lale 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

I just wondered how many people were aware of two recent threats to free software. 1. W3C "royalty freee" patent policy proposals. -------------------------------------------- The proposed policy permits W3C members to commit their patent claims "royalty-free" for use by implementers of the standard, but with "field of use" restrictions that would be incompatible with section 7 of the GNU General Public License. Such "field of use" restrictions, in other words, would prevent implementation of W3C standards as Free Software. Details at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/w3c-patent.html. Comments to W3C must reach <www-patentpolicy-comment(a)w3.org> by Tuesday 31 December 2002. 2. EU plans to legalise software patents in Europe. ------------------------------------------------ The proposal was drafted by the Business Software Alliance, a US-based group dominated by Microsoft, in cooperation with the European Commission. AFAIK it is still under discussion by the European Comission. It seems to pose a threat to free software and the Internet. Details and petition at http://petition.eurolinux.org/index.html If you wish to email any MEP(s) (there are 8 for the Eastern Region), you can find their email addresses at http://www.europarl.org.uk/uk_meps/MembersMain.htm This all seems very worrying. Does anyone have any more up-to-date knowledge of these issues? Cheers, Chris. -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | ___ Chris Lale <ctlale(a)coolscience.co.uk> | | / \ | | | <_/ My PC runs Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (http://www.debian.org) | | \ Robust, secure and free operating system + applications. | | `- | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ -- ___ Chris Lale <ctlale(a)netscape.net> / \ | <_/ My PC runs Debian GNU/Linux 3.0. \ Robust, secure and free operating system + applications. \ Available at http://www.debian.org

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Ideal christmas presents :)
by Jamie French 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hi Guys, Hope this is ok, but I have been asked by the wife to have a clear up for which I am selling some items, which there will be more to follow: 1 x Shiva Integrator 150 ISDN router for more info view http://support.intel.com/support/si/routers/integrator/150/chap_1.htm 1 x BT Home highway PCI ISDN card (boxed) for more info view http://www.homehighway.bt.com/flash/need/relpro_isdn.htm If interested please email with an offer. Take Care, Jamie

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SuSE mini home network
by Anton 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hello again, I eventually gave up with Mandrake and installed SuSE 8.1 Professional instead on both my machines. Works much better and was totally easy to set up. So now I have a different question if anyone can answer it... (I don't think its a hard one... ) I have two machines in my mini home network, one dual booting MSW98SE and SuSE8.1Prof and the other just booting SuSE8.1Prof (because its only got a diddy 4Gig hard drive so it didn't seem worth putting both operating systems on it.) One of the machines connects to the internet via 56k modem (I intend to upgrade to ADSL in a few months time but am working with this set up for now). We use KMail as our mail client, and I would like to set it up so we can access our accounts from either machine. There are three seperate users. Anyone know how to set it up to do this? Anton

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Hello
by Michael Sage 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

To All, Just changed mail address, this is just to check all is ok Thanks. Michael Sage

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Linux booting from second ide controller?
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

Hi, Ive just got a new computer with win 2000 installed. Its also got alot of specialist software and device drivers(not avalible for linux) so im keeping it(i also like it its the only version of windows i can say that about). So my problem is that i dont want to re-install windows 2000 on a smaller partition unless i have REALY have to. If there were a version of fips or somthing similare then id maybe resize it so i could fit a smallish "/boot" partision. The boot partition needs to be in the first 8 Gig if i remember correctly or is that just older computers/drives? I do have a spare hd lying around not doing much but i seem to remember theres a problem getting linux to boot fromt he second ide controller, am i wrong? Also is there anyproblems booting win2000 with lilo? Same as win98 right? Thanx girls/guys =) -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Hello
by Tony Dietrich 17 Dec '02

17 Dec '02

Just a quick note to introduce myself ... I'm a network specialist who's just returning i=to the *nix world after having been lured away to M$ by money <g>. I live in Felixstowe, and run a small network of RH8 machines here at home. Its been a struggle remembering how to handle Linux, but I'm getting there. TD

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Re: [Alug] Anyone Done The Cube Yet?
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 17 Dec '02

17 Dec '02

Looks quite cool, very QuakeGL(or Quake-forge). Ill have to look at that when i get Linux installed on my new box(still havn got round to it). ----- Original Message ----- > On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 03:58:37PM -0000, Keith Watson said: > > <QUOTE> > > Landscape-style engine that pretends to be an indoor first person shooter engine. Combines very high precision dynamic occlusion > > culling with a form of geometric mipmapping on the whole world for dynamic LOD for configurable fps & graphic detail on most > > machines. Uses OpenGL & SDL. > > </QUOTE> > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Newbie Redhat 8.0 install probs
by Greg Harris 16 Dec '02

16 Dec '02

Hi All, I'm a relative new-comer to the world of Linux and need some advice/help regarding an install of Redhat 8.0. I'm installing to a second HD on the primary channel, PCChips 810, 384MB, Radeon 7500VE to a Dell 1025HE monitor. This is networked via crossover cable to a RISC OS box using a KVM. Everything seems to progress fine, including the graphics card selection. The installer picks up the correct card model, RAM type and size. The problem arises with the monitor selection, it reports "un-probed". I have tried selecting the correct Dell model from the list but it will not give me the test screen or indeed any other help. If I then continue with the install the boot screen errors on the boot screen with EE for the graphics card and the monitor and then hangs. The error is something along the lines of 'screens found but no usable screens defined' or very similar. Has anybody had this problem or can anyone shed any light? TIA -- Greg Harris (Norwich)

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RE: Hardware Knowledge (was Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode))
by Jonathan Dye 16 Dec '02

16 Dec '02

MJ Ray wrote: > Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Unless things have changed since I installed it Debian woody doesn't >> do graphics chip detection when setting up XFree86 so it will be >> useful to > > It can, but I can't remember the correct way to do it. Shows how > often you install Debian freshly! Install once, upgrade forever? I can't remember which packages you need exactly but I think some or all of the following may be useful for getting X to autodetect. discover read-edid mdetect JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode)
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 16 Dec '02

16 Dec '02

I thought that -O3 was a bad thing to do when compiling(it must be good for somthing but i thought -O2 was the safe option)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tristan Scott <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:18:57 +0000 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode) > > > > > >> So, to start off. What distros are used by most of you, since I don't wanna > >>start using a distro I can't get help for. Plus, I don't know which Distro would > >>be best suited for a homeuser/developer/gamer. > >> > >> > Im running Gentoo. this is a good one if you're already into linux, or > want to know a lot about 'bare-bones' system configuration, and > everything is built from source. This means ive got a 10-20% spped > advantage on the same hardware as everything is built for the > athlon-tbird with -03 optimisations (-02 being normal, and binary > distros are usually built for either a 486 or 686) > > This is irrelevent for a newbie tho, i suggest using some distro that > holds your hand... what language(s) do you write in? gentoo obviously > has a good build environment, but i dont know about the big distros... > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Dec '02

16 Dec '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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DVD / DMA
by BenEBoy 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following please? I installed ogle a while back but the DVD playback kept jumping. On the assumption that this was ogle playing up I installed xine, and the test script that comes with it mentioned that my DVD player hadn't got DMA enabled. following the instructions to enable it just caused my system (SuSE 8.0) to fall over in a heap. There is no problem under windows though. I assume therefore that the mobo/dvd drive can't use DMA under linux (sorry, haven't got the make/models of them). Before I go out and buy a new motherboard/DVD drive, could the fault be anywhere else? Do I need to compile anything into the kernel perhaps? Sacrifice a chicken to a dark god? cheers, BenE -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.norwich-anarchists.org.uk Officially the best norwich based anarchist web site that has overly large jpegs

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Anyone Done The Cube Yet?
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

<QUOTE> Landscape-style engine that pretends to be an indoor first person shooter engine. Combines very high precision dynamic occlusion culling with a form of geometric mipmapping on the whole world for dynamic LOD for configurable fps & graphic detail on most machines. Uses OpenGL & SDL. </QUOTE> Homepage: <http://wouter.fov120.com/cube/index.php4> Keith

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Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode)
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

If your bying new hardware you shouldnt need to set IRQ's, DMA's or ioports's. Most pci and agp cards self configure so unless you still have a isa card youll be fine. Debian's a good distro but Mandrake is your easy as hell to install if you want the easyer then windows 98 install path. ----- Original Message ----- From: B.E.D.Ellis-00(a)student.lboro.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:48:56 +0000 (GMT) To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list (Digest mode) > Quoting Paul <paul.corner(a)tesco.net>: > > > If you need any CDs of the various distros, you only have to ask - Most > > of us > > are only too willing to help out. > > I'm happy to download any ISOs etc I need from the net, I'm not in a rush to do > anything really. Thanks for the offer though. > > Quoting Tristan Scott <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk>: > > > Im running Gentoo. this is a good one if you're already into linux > > I'm not ^^ > > > This is irrelevent for a newbie tho, i suggest using some distro that > > holds your hand... what language(s) do you write in? gentoo obviously > > has a good build environment, but i dont know about the big distros... > > I think I'll stick with Debian unless someone has a good reason I shouldn't. > > I'm a decent programmer when it comes to java, c, c++, c#, php, VB, JavaScript > and most of their variations (such as ActionScript, VBScript, JSP, ASP, etc). > I've messed around with Assembly, OpenGL, DirectX, the WinAPI and > Sockets/Network programming but not done any major projects with them yet. > > I'm absololutly useless when it comes to hardware though. Only recently I'm > starting to come to grips with everything since I'm planning on buying a new > computer so been reading up on all the latest tech stuff. > I think I'll have the most trouble during installation when it asks for my > hardware settings (like an Interupts/DMA/etc). As for figuring out how to > install various packages, thats where I ring up a few friends and post to this > list. > > Cheers for the feedback, > > Ben "Losing broadband for a whole 2 weeks, how am I gonna survive?!?!?" > Ellis > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Stupid Mistake #427 (one in a series of 1000's)
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Keith Watson wrote: >Here's a neat way to trash your Debian installation. Use dselect to install and uninstall a few packages, when >dselect warns you >that you're about to uninstall the ncurses library just hit the return key (default answer is 'y'). Works a treat! >:o( Reminds me fondly of the time I typed "rm -r ./*" and missed out the full stop :-) Luckily I wasn't root at the time. >(I've also just realised that XFree86 is a pun on X386 - groan, never mind, I'll just keep banging the rocks >together). Heh. I hadn't noticed either. Ug ug. Next meeting anyone? January? Jenny.

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Stupid Mistake #427 (one in a series of 1000's)
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '02

13 Dec '02

Here's a neat way to trash your Debian installation. Use dselect to install and uninstall a few packages, when dselect warns you that you're about to uninstall the ncurses library just hit the return key (default answer is 'y'). Works a treat! :o( (I've also just realised that XFree86 is a pun on X386 - groan, never mind, I'll just keep banging the rocks together). Keith ____________ Life is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. Zen Saying

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Re: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller?
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 12 Dec '02

12 Dec '02

Thanx girls/guys ill try it out with a second hard drive. Using the NT bootloader seems abit piontless and harder then lilo sorry if there's nothing wrong with using lilo on the win2000 mbr then itll do that and install debian or Mandrake on my second hard drive. Maybe it was the hurd that has a problem witht booting from the second ide controller... wouldnt supprise me as it cant support over 2Gb hard disc partitions, ill try installing that on the second one as well just for fun =). Ill tell you how i get on. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Drake" <linux(a)drake.org.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:23:16 -0000 To: "NuTTeR -- Not Entered --" <uknutter(a)graffiti.net> Subject: Re: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller? > It's always worth investing in a copy of Partition Magic > (http://www.powerquest.com) That way, you can always resize partitions to > your hearts content without having to wipe and the re-intall operating > systems all day long. > > I've not had any problems with booting Windows 2000 or Windows XP with Lilo, > and neither have I had a problem in the past of installing Linux on the > second hard drive and booting it from the first (as part of Lilo). > > Regards, > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "NuTTeR -- Not Entered --" <uknutter(a)graffiti.net> > To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:57 PM > Subject: [Alug] Linux booting from second ide controller? > > > > Hi, > > Ive just got a new computer with win 2000 installed. Its also got alot of > specialist software and device drivers(not avalible for linux) so im keeping > it(i also like it its the only version of windows i can say that about). > > > > So my problem is that i dont want to re-install windows 2000 on a smaller > partition unless i have REALY have to. If there were a version of fips or > somthing similare then id maybe resize it so i could fit a smallish "/boot" > partision. The boot partition needs to be in the first 8 Gig if i remember > correctly or is that just older computers/drives? I do have a spare hd lying > around not doing much but i seem to remember theres a problem getting linux > to boot fromt he second ide controller, am i wrong? > > > > Also is there anyproblems booting win2000 with lilo? Same as win98 right? > > > > Thanx girls/guys =) > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install
by Andrew Wallis 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Not sure what your problem is but I suggest you enter the SCSI BIOS at boot-up and carry out a complete low-level format of the disk from there (and verification / re-mapping of faulty sectors) if you have the time. Then re-try your installation. BTW, I always do this before a new installation in case any new bad sectors have turned up. Regards Andrew Wallis Fox Cottage Fox Hill St Cross South Elmham HARLESTON IP20 0NX UK phone: +44 (0) 1986 782283 mobile: +44 (0) 7860 217025 SMS via email: mailto:+447860217025@mmail.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > Message: 2 > From: jamie.french(a)talk21.com > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:53:26 GMT+00:00 > Subject: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install > > > Hi Guys, > > After downloading RH7.3 and conducted a linux mediacheck when at > partitioning stage I receive the following error > "Partition table on device sda was unreadable. Initialize this > drive Yes/No." > By selecting Yes the following error occured "no valid devices > were found to create new filesystems". Thus the system kills > sessions and reboots. > > By checking system messages (ctrl+alt+F4) at various points I can > determine that the SCSI card and devices where detected. > > Though after receiving the final error messege the following > system message appears a number of time "parity error detected in > data-in phase". > > Please bear in mind this machine has been running SuSe without > any difficulties. > > Machine Spec: > > Supermicro P6SBU > 196MB > Onboard AIC-7890 SCSI ULTRA2/LVD > Seagate 9GB LVD > > Any help would be great as I am trying to learn this sh*t. > > Take Care, > > Jamie > > Best Regards, > > Jamie French

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Re: [Alug] Wireless networking
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

I think one of the linux mags had an artical about wirless cards atm :). i didnt see anything about attaching external antennas though sorry. It did how every say its a download and recompile stuff setup as no distros support the newer cards verymuch/atall. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Jude <S.Jude(a)uea.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:44:43 +0000 (GMT) To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Wireless networking > Hi, > Does any anybody have any experience of wireless networking kit and linux? > In particular can anybody suggest any cards that have the facility to plug > in external antennas (SMA connectors) and that are reasonably priced? > > Simon > > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] RH 7.3 Install
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Well if you recompile your kernel and leave in only the devices that are needed + turn on the arch optimizations you should be able to see the difference. I know i can on my laptop when i fiddle around with the kernel options anoth ;).But on my laptop i find kde and gnome to slow any way(iceWM is the only way unless showing ppl that linux is user freindly). Window decorations, desktop backgrounds, ... do make a differnence as well but most of it is down to ram size and what your trying to fit in there i think. Ive always found debian to run very cuclutered and things like SuSe, Mandrake(9.0 seemed better then 8.*) to be bloated. Dennis > Unneeded service installations aside, should there really be that much > difference between different distributions anyway. I know some complie their > packages with Pentium optimisations and others not, but no-one really does > any heavy optimisation on the kernel do they ? > > Or is it just things like default themes that are making all the difference ? -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Woody
by franardia＠the-fastest.net 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Thank you everyone, very much. (Also for the welcomes... :D) This combination worked perfectly: > >> (Hold down CTL + ALT + F1 if you are stuck on the blank Xwindow > >> screen, this will bring you to a log-in console on tty1, then, as > >> root, type > > > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # XFree86 4.x I have another question, if that is not too much asking (I truly am a newbie in search of liberation from MS enslavement). I have installed windowmaker as a window manager, but the thing is that it is started "on top" of Gnome 1.4. I tried following some advice given on the debian website, but I couldn't get rid of gnome at startup. Where do I make gdm not start so I can use wmaker instead? Thank you for ANY help, as usual. Francesco. PS I would be interested in attending some meeting, or perhaps at least over IRC (I am in Essex, with no transport, so I don't know how I could get to attend a meeting, which is where IRC would come in useful...:)). On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:13:34 -0000, "Jonathan Dye" <jonathan.dye(a)automationpartnership.com> said: > MJ Ray wrote: > > Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > > <Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com> wrote: > >> Have you tried logging in to a console and rerunning XF86Setup? > >> (Hold down CTL + ALT + F1 if you are stuck on the blank Xwindow > >> screen, this will bring you to a log-in console on tty1, then, as > >> root, type > > > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # XFree86 4.x > > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-svga # XFree86 3.x usually > > > > may be preferable in some circumstances. > > Might be worth doing an > > apt-get install read-edid > > first and then the reconfigure should hopefully detect the resolutions > your > monitor supports automatically (if it's not ancient). > > JD > > _____________________________________________________________________ > This message has been checked for all known viruses by the > MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- http://fastmail.fm - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place

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the last meeting / linux lectures
by David Eisenhart 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

Having expressed great interest in the proposed Linux lectures my apologies for not making it to the last meeting to contribute to the discussion. (I have unfortunately just got back from being away). If its not too late to throw in an idea:- maybe materials and ideas from the LFS project could be usefully drawn upon throughout the lecture series (not necessarily the whole thing of course, but appropriate selected bits). This could cut down on preparation time and also provide a body of available, quality written materials. David Eisenhart

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 09 Dec '02

09 Dec '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Wireless networking
by Simon Jude 06 Dec '02

06 Dec '02

Hi, Does any anybody have any experience of wireless networking kit and linux? In particular can anybody suggest any cards that have the facility to plug in external antennas (SMA connectors) and that are reasonably priced? Simon

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