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re microsoft invasion and NTL broadband
by tom potts 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

Thanks for the broadband info. I think the MAC address NTL want is the one on their modem not the one in your PC - I now found out the modem signal is 20db down so they're sending out an engineer. Re M$ - I have slagged them off for years for lock-in but I would recommend anyone who does internet programming to have a very good look at .NET And then at http:\\www.go-mono.com If they (or someone else) can provide the .NET framework for apache2 and a nice IDE no workstation in any business with an IT aware staff will ever need to upgrade their workstations again. The last bit is a bit much to ask but M$ have produced the technology that will kill them! LOL Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Meeting at London Linux Expo?
by MJ Ray 11 Oct '02

11 Oct '02

The London Linux Expo is next week, Wednesday and Thursday, probably http://www.linuxexpo.co.uk/ or similar. Previous years, ALUG people have met up around lunchtime for a (not so) swift drink in the pub over the road. Can I suggest that we continue the tradition and meet up at 1pm on the Thursday by the Association For Free Software and Debian stands? (If someone wants to arrange a Wednesday meet-up, feel free, but I can't as I'm not there...) MJR

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Re: [Alug] NTL Broadband
by Ricardo Campos 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

> I got round this by taking out my second Ethernet card so I only had the one. I only have 1 at the moment. > I then got all the software I needed ie. DHCPCD. Put the other ethernet card back in and it all stated to work. I tried dhcp-client, but that didn't get any info at all! :'( . Did you install dhcpd from source? I could always d/l source using windoze, and then mount the 'doze partition and get the source from there. This linux box (perhaps I'll worry about the ipcop one later) doesn't need to be a dhcp server, just a client. /me is confused, frustrated etc. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] NTL Broadband
by Ricardo Campos 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

And to provide a little more info on the problem.... I use pump as it was (for whatever reason) installed with Debian Woody. Changing my dhcp client would require a net connection.... One thing I found out (by STFW: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/28208) was that Linux broadcasts it's MAC address in a different way to Windoze, so the suggestion was to reset the set top box, bring up the interface, then re-register on NTL. Fine, only there's a problem. I wish to use a dedicated router/firewall (www.ipcop.org) I'm fine with transferring NICs between computers, however the ipcop box *could* ping outside (having transferred the NIC, and resolve hosts. So that kinda throws that theory away. Unfortunately, clients on the internal network can't resolve hosts or ping outside going through the ipcop firewall. (also, ipcop has now browser capable of doing the register process anyway. in fact, it comes with no browser). I know the wordwrap is fscked, btw, as soon as I get connected in linux I'll use a proper mail reader. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] NTL Broadband
by Ricardo Campos 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

> I've had NTL broadband installed and, for the life of > me, cant get anything other than W2K/IE5.5 to connect > to it properly. > The Linux box gives me an IP/DNS and gateway from DHCP > but doesnt seem to want to work. > Anybody got any clues? > Tom That's just plain spooky. Me too! lol Indeed, I get an IP address, DNS, and gateway, but it can't ping the external network, or resolve any hostnames. I've spent all day today doing this! What do you put in your hosts file when you use DHCP? i.e. my old one was something like: 127.0.0.1 localhost 10.0.0.1 pixiedust pixiedust But as I don't know my IP in advance- what should I do? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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NTL Broadband
by tom potts 10 Oct '02

10 Oct '02

I've had NTL broadband installed and, for the life of me, cant get anything other than W2K/IE5.5 to connect to it properly. The Linux box gives me an IP/DNS and gateway from DHCP but doesnt seem to want to work. Anybody got any clues? Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Starting Open Office v1.0
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 09 Oct '02

09 Oct '02

Open Office takes one and a half minutes to start on my machine running Debian Testing. The machine has 1.3 GHz Athlons and 512MB RAM so I don't think that's the problem. Anyone else have a similar experience? Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] Meeting at London Linux Expo?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

MJRay wrote: >I'll be the guy on a neighbouring stand, heckling. ;-) > >(Not really!) Excellent! Well, I've washed my "I Love Microsoft" teeshirt, broken my laptop, broken the board I'm meant to be demo-ing and failed to work out how to get a rucksack full of equipment to London on a motorbike. I'm currently trying to work out what I got rid of in pcmcia when I decided that the day before the linux expo was the best day for my first ever kernel rebuild :-) Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Meeting at London Linux Expo?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Oct '02

08 Oct '02

>>Would love to meet some more of you guys. I will be attending Wednesday, so >>any1 going give me a shout :) I'm going to be on the deb stand on Thursday showing the newly developed balloon board running a custom-built version of debian, so I will see Thursday people there. I'll be trying hard to look as though I know what I'm talking about. Jenny.

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How to waste a Friday night.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

Syd Hancock wrote: >Also willing to burn copies of Woody for the cost of CDs and >postage if anyone is interested. I have all 7 CDs if you want the >lot. Syd - may I take you upon this offer? I'll mail you off-list but thought I'd share my story of how to waste a large amount of time first: On Friday night I tried to get my winmodem going. In order to do this I had to install a bit of software from the linmodem site. In order to do that I had to upgrade my kernel from 2.2.ancientthing to 2.4.x. In order to do *that* I had to update and upgrade all my packages and dist from potato.ancient.stuff (I only have one phone line with a dialup modem connection so don't tend to do this very often)(and as the modem has been out of order for several weeks even less so). I couldn't point sourceslist to the internet obviously, so I used the main woody install disk someone had burnt for me. Guess what, the cdrom wasn't functioning. So I set up a samba share to the windows cdrom and tried that, which didn't work as samba asking for a password coincided each time with apt-get asking to insert cdrom and press enter, so it kept going in a loop. So I copied the entire 650m cdrom contents to the linux box and pointed apt at that, whooping with joy when I got the source-list right, but it kept erroring out halfway through. So on Saturday I put in a cdrom drive that worked, pointed sources list back to the cdrom, and then found out the burnt cdrom was faulty and the second half wouldn't read. Of course, I could have saved hours of time and had an internet connection simply by putting the winmodem in the windows machine, but that would have been *far* too easy. Anyhow, thanks to all for the USB and kernel answers, I'm now about to upgrade the laptop as that seems the best option. Thanks. Jenny.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Oct '02

07 Oct '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Fwd: Re: [Alug] CD Sound?
by Wayne Stallwood 05 Oct '02

05 Oct '02

Also what sound card have you got ? I have a soundblaster Live 256 and I had this problem because I had connected the CD Audio via the Digital output of the Drive rather than the more conventional Analogue outputs. By default on the Soundblaster drivers, Digital inputs are muted hence no CD sound. Have you checked the volume setting of the CD inputs on your soundcard (use Kmix or someting similar) CD sound does not require any interaction of the software drivers or computer apart from setting the volume as they are simply a passthrough to the soundcard output. On Friday 04 October 2002 22:20, MJ Ray wrote: > BenEBoy <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > 8.0. My machine beeps at me, makes whooshing noises when KDE starts up > > and XMMS works fine. Unfortunately, I can't get any sound to word when > > playing CDs. gtcd will recognise a CD and bring up the artist/title info > > but pressing play doesn't do anything. KsCD works a bit better. [...] > > Things to check: > - do you know that the CD is connected to the sound system by a cable > internally (ie, has it ever worked?) > - has the KDE sound system got your soundcard exclusively? If so, you > need to either stop it, or make the CD player use it. I know how to do > that for esd (with esddsp) but I don't know arts... anyone? -------------------------------------------------------

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USB + kernel
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Would anyone recommend a kernel other than 2.2.20 for USB support? I'm having problems, even after following many steps in many threads and howto pages. I did read kernels 2.2.x have only flaky USB support, maybe that is the problem. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] USB + kernel
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Adam Bower wrote: >What kind of problems? 2.2 may not be as good as 2.4 but it should all >work ok, although maybe a jump in kernel version will fix things as I >was having problems recently with 2.4.18 until 2.4.19 came out. Well, I did a lsmod and the uSB wasn't there, so i did a modprobe usb-storage then there was stuff in lsmod, then i did insmod usb-uhci, and it said it was using uhci.o, then i did an ifup usb0 (after putting the right stuff in interfaces) and it said, don't be daft. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] USB + kernel
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

Douglas Willis wrote: >Ive been using a range of 2.4.x kernels on my IBM Thinkpad since >Feburary 2001 with little problem. The biggest problem was the >occasional Win device showing up that Linux did not have a driver for. >Winmodems arrggghhhhh..... Well, funnily enough, that is the problem I'm about to go home to. USB at work, winmodem at home, nothing is ever all working just how I'd like it. I've got 2.4.19 on my box here at work and there is no problem with the USB connection on that. Since 2.2.20 on the laptop appeared to have USB support, it would have been easier to get that going though. Thanks. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Meeting at London Linux Expo?
by tom potts 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

I know it sounds daft but as we're generally talking about freeware do you think someone could organise a weekend expo somewhere? My company wont give me time off for a Linux expo and holidays are hard to come by. I'd certainly think about paying at the door if that would help. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] Meeting at Syleham?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

John Woodard wrote: >The hall is booked on that date but the following week 3rd November is free >so I've penciled it in for then if that's ok. Gorgeous! Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Meeting at Syleham?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

John Woodard wrote: >As we haven't had a meeting for a while shall I go and book one at Syleham >for the third Sunday in October? I'll be up in the Lakes visiting my folks that weekend so won't make it. (were you to choose the *fourth* Sunday however... :-))) Jen.

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Sound editing
by John Woodard 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

I'm doing a pop music quiz for our local social club and I need to get some 10 - 15 second clips from various mp3 files and save tham as stand alone wave or mp3s. What is a good simple tool to use under either kde or gnome? Cheers, BJ

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Installing WordPerfect on Debian
by Ian Douglas 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Hi Folks, Is anyone running WordPerfect on Debian? If so then how did you install it? I have obtained two Corel Linux WordPerfect 8.0 tarballs (guilg00.gz and guilguk0.gz) which I would like to install on my Debian 3.0 system. I have followed the instructions and copied them into a temp directory (/opt/wp80) then used "tar xvfz" to unpack them. Amongst the unpacked files is one called "Runme" which I ran ("./Runme") as root. It asks me if I have untared all the files. I reply "y". It says "Extracting files... Please wait.". It then comes up with an error message "Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 not certified. Continue?" to which I reply "y". I then get literally screenfulls of error messages about files not being found. The error messages scroll past far to fast to read but I managed to catch the final screen's worth and have put it below. Anyone have a clue what is going wrong? Thanks, Ian. ### Partial error output ### sed: can't read shared/.prlist: No such file or directory chmod: too few arguments Try `chmod --help' for more information. chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/.wpbuildc': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/.wpbuildx': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/lmgrd': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/lmutil': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/wplmd8': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/hyperhelp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/cvt': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/cjpeg': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/djpeg': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.1': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.2': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.3': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.4': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.5': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.6': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.wpsahelp': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.address': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.copy': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.demo': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.errata': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.icon': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.install': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.wpmagic': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README.support': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/README': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/default.prs': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/header.wp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/pcl4map.fil': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/pssave.prs': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/trailer.wp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp.drs': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp.lrs': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/XKeysymDB': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/wpmerge': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/wpsaus.hlp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplearn/report.asc': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/cyrillic.map': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/greek.map': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/wpml31us.exc': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wplib/wpof40us.exc': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpmacros/archwpg': No such file or directory ./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/archfltr': No such file or directory ./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/license.opt': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/wplicense': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/lm_isadmin': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/servers_up': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/fonts/archbdf': No such file or directory./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/fonts/archpcf': No such file or directory./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/fonts/dofonts': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/wpbin/instadm': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpexpdocs/.junk': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpgraphics/.junk': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/wpmacros/.junk': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wpdm.dat': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wpmagic': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/install.lk': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/install.wp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/readme.ftp': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp60dm03..all': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp60hp01..all': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp60ms01..all': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp60ps01..all': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wp60ps02..all': No such file or directorychmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/wpco03n_.pfb': No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/archafm': No such file or directory ./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shlib10/archpfb': No such file or directory ./install.wp: /tmp/WpTmP1/linux/ins/wxar: No such file or directory chmod: getting attributes of `/shbin10/tenkey': No such file or directory Installation Complete. wilderbeast:/opt/wp80#

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Meeting at Syleham?
by John Woodard 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

As we haven't had a meeting for a while shall I go and book one at Syleham for the third Sunday in October? Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Installing WordPerfect on Debian - Why no .deb?
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 02 Oct '02

02 Oct '02

Why is there no deb package for wordperfect? It would make sence its a nice editor, or are there lissenceing problems? I belive there is an error in WP that means you have to pach it to work... but i think that that is just a date problem 00 == 2000 == 1900 type date problem. Its not supported by corel any more, but i think there is a patch... and a big user groupe on the web some where. (It was on slashdot.org a while ago i think ;-) -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 30 Sep '02

30 Sep '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Sharp Zaurus SL-500
by Wayne Stallwood 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

Has anyone played with one of these yet ?, I was looking at the Dabs catalogue and noticed that they are for sale at a reasonable price. I am tempted as I wanted to replace my trusty old Palm, and was even considering a Pocket PC device. I like the idea of Linux on a PDA (but I still have some major reservations about it's suitability) and I can't find any reviews on the Net. Previous Linux/PDA efforts seem to have had lukewarm reception from reviewers and seeing as Dixon's are unlikely to stock this toy I can't exactly go and try one out. Cheers Wayne

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #27 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 29 Sep '02

29 Sep '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: New free online Linux magazine: The Grasshoppers' Linux Journal (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:21:05 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: New free online Linux magazine: The Grasshoppers' Linux Journal This appeared on comp.os.linux.announce, but maybe new users here would like it too? From: Ludootje <ludootje@linux.be@telenet-ops.be> Subject: New free online Linux magazine: The Grasshoppers' Linux Journal Date: 19 Sep 2002 15:50:39 GMT Hi all! Some people from the linuxnewbie.org forum and I have been working hard on a GNU/Linux magazine, we've recently released issue number 1. We need readers of course, but most of all writers. Currently we don't have a lot of writers, and it's a lot of work to get enough enough articles and interviews to bring out another issue. We're mostly oriented towards newbies (unlike other online Linux-magazines), but some articles can be very interesting to experts too. The interviews for example, can interest everyone. For those interested, this is the Table Of Contents of our first issue: ------------- What is Linux? My First Linux A Noob's Perspective Unix Tool of the Month Open Source Alternatives MrProject Interview Mandrake vs. SuSE Custom RedHat CDs Dual Monitor Guide Gnomemeeting Interview Getting Help in Linux Dynamic IP Webservers The Year of the DVD Review: Creative vs. Labtec Speakers Letters ------------- For those interested in writing (English doesn't even have to be your native language, we have proof-readers): simply register on our forum, and say you're willing to write an article / make an interview. We'll give you access to the articles & interviews forums once your interview / article is done. Anyone who thinks (s)he can somehow help the project is free to do so, of course. If you have any remaining questions, you can simply answer to this post, e-mail me at ludootje(a)linux.be, or register on the forum and ask your question there. Ludootje -- The Grasshoppers' Linux Journal - a free, online distributed magazine about GNU/Linux / Open Source / ... oriented towards newbies. Check it out @ http://ghj.sunsite.dk ! ########################################################################## # Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: cola(a)stump.algebra.com # # PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. # # This group is archived at http://stump.algebra.com/~cola/ # ########################################################################## --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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