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Re: [Alug] console reset
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Toby Jaffey wrote: >You could try restarting the getty for that console. > >do a "ps ax | grep tty1" and kill that process. I think that init should >restart it for you, if not do something like "/sbin/getty 38400 tty1". Thanks. I've tried this, but it restarts a new process number for getty each time witht he screen showing the same. John Seago wrote: > on my system, (Slackware) ^U is the backspace key in SOME circumstances. Also tried this one, to no avail. Thanks, though. I'm about to make a new kernel so I will be rebooting the box anyway, but it is an annoying problem that it would be nicer to have known how to mend. Jenny.

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console reset
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Hi Alug: tty1 has hung in minicom; I have removed the lockfile and stopped the minicom process but have now been left with the image and a flashing cursor and I can't communicate at all with that console. I had a reset problem a few months back, so I looked up the thread we had on that, but they all assume being able to talk directly on that tty. I've read the getty man page, and tried a few things. If I try to kill the process a new one begins and the image remains. "reset tty1" from another console asks for terminal type, I say vt102 and it tells me a bunch of stuff including "kill is ^U", but they all do nothing. It's severely annoying. Jen.

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Console Reset
by John Seago 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

It may be of no help at all, but on my system, (Slackware) ^U is the backspace key in SOME circumstances. -- John Seago

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Kernel Dumping garbage to Port 80h
by Wayne Stallwood 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

For reasons I won't go into to much, the kernel dumping stuff to port 80 is causing me problems as I use port 80 for something else (some homebrew hardware plugged into my PCI bus) Generally port 80 is only used by the post code in the Bios to output debugging information. When I built my hardware I assumed that after post was complete nothing would be written to 0x80 so it was safe for me to use. Well with any other OS that is true, but Linus has done a dirty hack to fix I/O timing in the kernel. I love having the kernel source :o) Found this gem in /usr/src/linux/include/asm/io.h * Thanks to James van Artsdalen for a better timing-fix than * the two short jumps: using outb's to a nonexistent port seems * to guarantee better timings even on fast machines. * * On the other hand, I'd like to be sure of a non-existent port: * I feel a bit unsafe about using 0x80 (should be safe, though) * * Linus */ #ifdef SLOW_IO_BY_JUMPING #define __SLOW_DOWN_IO "\njmp 1f\n1:\tjmp 1f\n1:" #else #define __SLOW_DOWN_IO "\noutb %%al,$0x80" #endif #ifdef REALLY_SLOW_IO #define __FULL_SLOW_DOWN_IO __SLOW_DOWN_IO __SLOW_DOWN_IO __SLOW_DOWN_IO __SLOW_DOWN_IO #else #define __FULL_SLOW_DOWN_IO __SLOW_DOWN_IO #endif Can any of you think of any other port I can get the kernel to write this to that would have the same effect of slowing down I/O but wouldn't be used by any other hardware ? I've got to re-compile the kernel anyway (to sort out ATM support once and for all on my machine) and I want to add the preemptive patch as well Of course the "better" way would be to fix my hardware, but the only way I can do that is to recode the PIC (microcontroller) I am using but at the moment I can't find the PIC source and it would take me a long time to rewrite. Wayne

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Perl split function...
by Simon 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

HELLPPPP.... OK, I've got an IP address in a variable $address, I know because print qq($ipaddress); gives me the address trying to split it into it's singular octets like so... (As usernames on the system are derived from the last 2 octets of the address) @octets = split(/./, $ipaddress); Now from what I understand the elements in the array @octets should be accessable by $octets[0] etc.. Or while (@octets) { print qq(Octet = $_); } But it doesn't... Or am I way off mark... Please help.... TIA Simon

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Networking Linux to MS Windows through ethernet
by Robert Stelmack 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

First, I am a newbie, I do read the have search the ALUG mail postings, I have RTFM (in fact, I have read way too many FM's) and I just can't get a network between my Linux and Window/98 machine to work to share files. I have to admit that I have tried many things and may have created my own problem, but I want to learn how to fix it without starting from scratch (although, if necessary, I will). When running the SAMBA configurator, under KDE is get the Konqueror message: "Could not connect to host 127.0.0.1 (port 901). I have a Dell 233mhz, Pentium II, Optiplex GXA, with several "on-(mother)board" features: sound, video, ethernet, and USB. The sound, video, and USB function perfectly. I have also attempted to install a second ethernet card and it is physically installed and I did the software changes that one of the HOW-Tos described, but I'm not sure if it was correct, since ifconfig doesn't show it. I have a link below for details. Any help would be greatly appreciated, since I am trying to convince my management to change over from the MS products to the open systems GPL products. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Robert Stelmack Wellingore, Lincolnshire, UK Email (h): stelmack(a)nwlink.com Email (w): robert.h.stelmack(a)boeing.com In order to keep this email message small, I have provided a link (http://e-simassist.com/linux/samba.txt ) to a text file that contains the following: FILE: /etc/samba/sam.conf FILE: running the command testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf FILE: /etc/services FILE: running to command ifconfig

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Re: [Alug] Networking Linux to MS Windows through ethernet
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Robert Stelmack wrote: >I just can't get a network between my Linux and Window/98 machine to work to share files. Robert: I see you haven't got an entry for netbios name, try netbios name=<COMPUTERNAME(in capitals)> in the [globals] parameters part of smb.conf and restarting samba. What distribution of linux are you using? Jen.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Hard Drive performance
by James - listmail 22 Sep '02

22 Sep '02

Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:51:36 +0100 To: Ian Bell <ruffrecords(a)uklinux.net> Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Hard Drive performance From: Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:44:33PM +0100, Ian Bell wrote: > I mentioned in an earlier post my move from a P!! igig PC to a new dell > laptop with a P4 1.6 gig and how with rh7.3 it seemed slower than the old > system. I have now investigated this a little further. < Snippage - Topic is DMA settings To use, or not to use hdparm... > >Oh and finally hdparm can destroy data on your harddisk if you go for too many >settings and the disk/computer doesn't like them.... Too right! ( For details, and a little PC history read on... ) Message: 3 Subject: Re: [Alug] Hard Drive performance From: Douglas Willis <ddw(a)bas.ac.uk> To: Alug Mailing List <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: 17 Sep 2002 09:24:48 +0100 >On some of the earlier laptops turning on DMA caused the cdrom drives to >lockup requiring a hare reset of the machine. I this was due to >slightly non standard IDE bus architecture. >I run an IBM A21M which has a PIII ant about 800MHz and now have no >problems with disk access once I turned on the DMA settings. >The RedHat install by default disabled the DMA . This is considered ( quite rightly ) to be the safest default option that will operate properly across all PC architecture hardware. The old timers may remember the war that IBM fought to keep their PC hardware and firmware (BIOS) proprietary - forcing competitors making clone machines to do "clean room" BIOs coding and design their own hardware, too. Gaining a cost and time to market advantage for IBM for quite a while. It guaranteed a lot of flaky hardware designs, too. ( Remember the Amstrad 286 HD fiasco? ) Compaq were established in this era; and never quit designing their own hardware. Even today, when it is no longer necessary, or desirable, to deviate too far from accepted "industry standards". They were beginning to get wise to the fact that it is no longer desirable! Two decades later... Only to be swallowed by HP. Go figure. It is cheaper to use "industry standard" chipsets from a third party than to re-invent complex hardware, in the design process. Some big corporations just failed to adapt, and tried to lock in customers to their particular hardware, when the game had moved on to proprietary lock-ins via software: EULAs and proprietary protocols "embracing and extending" open standards. I can pretty much guarantee data loss ( or total operating system loss ) on *any* Compaq where you attempt to force an OS to use DMA when it is not selected by the default install. Quite a few laptop clones are like the Compaq ( I had a Twinheed one just a few weeks ago ). Desktop PCs can also be found with iffy DMA hardware design. Beware the data corruption bug when shifting large quantities of data between IDE ports on some chipsets, too. ( One range of SiS chipsets suffered from this AFAIR ) Although IDE is a blocking type device, the DMA behaviour can also vary from a single device per IDE port to multiple devices daisy-chained on one IDE port. Had I decided to use a cheaper IDE CD Burner on my SiS chipset Desktop ( 2001 Motherboard design ) I'd have walked right into the data corruption problem! ( I prefer to have at least two separate hardware disk channels, one of them SCSI, for best VM performance, anyway. ). TESTING: If you multiboot with Windows 9x ( perhaps to use Office 97 from Wine ) it is easy to test. Make sure that the Windows boot comes to a real DOS prompt, so you have to start Windows with WIN at the prompt ( edit MSDOS.SYS ). Make COPIES of the registry SYSTEM.D* and USER.D* files! Then - in windows, play with the DMA enables for the IDE Harddrive and CDROM. When windows fails to load you have an answer... ( Restore the registry files, and it should be OK ). I haven't known this to corrupt data on the drive, but I'm not making any promises. The worst that usually happens is that it fails to load the "DOS extender" <*grin*> Try this with Linux, and you will probably trash the filesystem. A disposable Windows test multiboot can be a less shattering test option to determine if your machine has well behaved DMA hardware! But there are no guarantees if you start tweaking hardware related stuff. ( Overclocking is another example ). Eventually, you will reach a point where the probability of a timing error will corrupt data, as timing margins are reduced. Consider that slower disk performance means a higher safety margin against data corruption. The size of IDE hard drives now is such that there is a reasonable statistical likelihood of hitting random data corruption, anyway. -- James To reply by private email DONT delete the "nospam" in Reply To or From header addresses!

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Fwd: Re: [Alug] Speedtouch Modem
by Wayne Stallwood 21 Sep '02

21 Sep '02

I am using the same firmware for both XP and Linux, But that's a good point I'll try some different versions, I'd completely forgotten about the Firmware I've been updating the sourceforge drivers everytime a new version becomes available, but I've never changed the firmware...Doh Thanks I'll give that a go. Given the time I've spent mucking about with this I really should just go out and buy an ADSL Router, but it's become personal now :o) anyway a Router is a waste at home as I only have one machine here. If lots of other people were having this problem I'd just accept that the Alcatel Modem doesn't work very well under Linux and purchase another solution, but seeing as everyone else seems happy with the speedtouch drivers I've GOT to get it working otherwise it's beaten me. and I don't like losing........... On Saturday 21 September 2002 14:15, Adam Bower wrote: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:12:45PM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > Also why is it that I have never read (on Usenet, Speedtouch Mailing > > lists or Linux Mailing lists) of anyone else having this problem. It must > > be something specific to my system, I just don't know what. > > some people have experienced different connections with different versions > of the modem firmware you could try.... thinks.... are you using the same > modem firmware with linux as you are with win XP? there are about 6 or 7 > versions try using your mgmt.o file from WinXP with modem_run (or whichever > bit it is) if not you could try different firmwares. To see if the files > are different you can use md5sum under linux. (md5sum mgmt.o) and see if > you get different outputs from that) > > > Incendently what is the difference between usb-uhci and uhci ? Which one > > should I be using to connect my ADSL Modem. (not that it seems to make > > any difference to this problem) > > well use which one works or works better than the other one, I have to use > usb-uhci and the uhci one doesn't work with my modem for some reason > although it will work fine with other usb devices. > > Adam -------------------------------------------------------

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CUPS and Lexmark 5700
by Glen Tyler 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

> Dear All, > > another CUPS question I'm afraid, and I know the CUPS and Epson strand > recently was broadcast, but I didn't save all the messages, I wasn't > interested in CUPS until yesterday..:-) > I finally upgraded to KDE3 , on RH7.2, which required me to install CUPS. > Now before on KDE2.2 I had a Lexmark 5700 printing (in B and W) using the > printer config in KDE and a driver lex5700. > Although I have the same config now, nothing comes out when I send a file to > print. I tried to configure CUPS using lynx (my prefered browser), but have > to admit I got a bit lost...I can see that my printer isn't supported, but > what is 'raw'? Anyone know a good newbie guide to CUPS? Is it pointless me > continuing...? Well I probably will anyway, afterall I got my pctel modem > working, and my onboard sound and KDE3...in the end. > BTW I also get the message in CUPS that the print job has gone, but it just > never appears.. > Glen >

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Dlink quad ethernet card
by Raphael Mankin 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

I have been playing with a Dlink DFE580TX quad ethernet card. I have used it in both 2.4.x and 2.2.19 kernels and it works a treat. We have got a batch of them at work, and they are now down to a price where they are affordable for the largish home network. Mind you, 4 single cards are still cheaper than one quad, but you save 3 PCI slots. You have to get the latest 'sundance' drivers from http://www.scyld.com/network/sundance.html. Don't use the one with the 2.4 kernel tree. -- Nothing propinx like propinquity. Mark Twain Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------

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(no subject)
by Raphael Mankin 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

I have just borrowed a Dlink DFE-580TX quad ethernet card from the office where we are expermienting with them. We have now tested them on both 2.4.x and 2.2.19 kernels and they work a treat. You can run the four ports independently or as one extra wide-band channel. The driver modules you need are pci-scan.o and sundance.o. The latest versions can be downloaded from www.scyld.com -- Nothing propinx like propinquity. Mark Twain Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------

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tar and gzip
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Hullo list, When a directory is tarred and gzipped, will it also include any symlinked directories? e.g first directory to be gzipped is /home/jenny, which contains a link to /var/www second directory to be gzipped is /var/www Tarball is created from both these directories. Burning Q: are the files in /var/www being saved in the tarball twice? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] tar and gzip
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Sep '02

19 Sep '02

Douglas Willis wrote: >Usually the symlink itself is added to the tar not what it points to. >To test this use > >tar tvzf <my_first_filename> |grep www > >It will show you what is in the first tar ball. You should only see the >symlink entry not the data the symlink points to. Thanks for that. I severely need to clean out my home directory in that case. Jen

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Re: [Alug] Hard Drive performance
by Wayne Stallwood 18 Sep '02

18 Sep '02

It's also worth considering that a clock for clock comparasion between a PC and a Laptop will always show the laptop to be slower. The Processor, Video Hardware, Drives etc are all optimised for power consumption and size...not speed. The Mobile P4 operates without a bloody great H/Sink fan and draws less power, how do you think it achieves that ? I'm guessing that you have a 8200, Your Gforce 4 Go graphics chip is compareable to a GF2 on a desktop system, again due to power and size considerations. You could have a tinker with the power management setup, it may be set to "Battery Economy" rather than "Performance" The Processor in question is capable of speedstep after all, it may be possible to use the Bogomips value to determine what speed the clock was actually running at, but this is only measured during boot AFAIK. In short Don't expect your laptop to ever perform as well as a 1.6 Ghz desktop system, although that said slower than a 1Ghz does sound a little off, check those power settings. W > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:44:33PM +0100, Ian Bell wrote: > > > I mentioned in an earlier post my move from a P!! igig PC to a new dell > > > laptop with a P4 1.6 gig and how with rh7.3 it seemed slower than the > > > old system. I have now investigated this a little further. > > > > One other factor here i think you are saying a PIII 1Ghz to a PIV 1.6Ghz? > > in which case the performance would not be 60% greater, in all likelyhood > > a PIV at 1.6ghz will most likely be the same speed as a PIII 1Ghz for > > most of the time, slower for some things and faster on a very few others. > > > > Have you also checked memory timings in the Bios? is the kernel built > > with support for a PIV, are you using a framebuffer driver for X or > > native GFX support? Are there many unused daemons running in the > > background that you don't need? are all other things to check. > > > > About hdparm, PIO modes are usually discovered by the BIOS pretty > > accuratly so I would leave them alone, setting DMA to 16bit or 32bit with > > sync is usually safe and the other options are trial and error. You could > > try looking on the net to find other peoples settings, linux on laptops > > page may be good for this (this machine is a laptop?) as would looking on > > the disk manufacturers webpage for specs too. > > > > Oh and finally hdparm can destroy data on your harddisk if you go for too > > many settings and the disk/computer doesn't like them.... > > > > Adam > > -- > > "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" > > jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! -------------------------------------------------------

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Raid Motherboards
by Christopher Drane 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

I am going to get a new Motherboard and I want it to have onboard raid. What I was wondering are there any pitfalls to raid drives and Linux and do you know of any good motherboards that have onboard raid and are supported well in Linux. The good news is that money is not one of my main problems, I am looking to spend up to £200 so that should be plenty. I thought I would post this before I get the board, hopefully I can get the right board that is supported by Linux thus stopping me having the problems after I have brought it. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated Chris Drane

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Hard Drive performance
by Ian Bell 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

I mentioned in an earlier post my move from a P!! igig PC to a new dell laptop with a P4 1.6 gig and how with rh7.3 it seemed slower than the old system. I have now investigated this a little further. I installed rh7.2 becuase I suspected KDE3 was slowing things down but although the slimmer KDE2 is a little faster it is still nowhere near as responsive as the old system. So I have played around a bit with hdparm to see if hard drive performance is a factor. hdparm reports a cache speed of over 200MBytes/sec (basically the memeory bus speed) but the cached disk read speed is a mere 3MBytes/sec. dma is not enebaled by default but if i use hdparm to enable it, cached disk read speed jumps to over 20Mbytes/sec. Set like this, applications load about twice as fast. Then I tried all the PIO modes but this mad eno difference. So I started to set dma modes, starting from 0, but this froze the system and forced me to hard reset. So my questions are: 1. How well should a basic install be able to automagically select good disk drive parameters 2. Where are these stored and actioned? 3. How do I find the best settings for my drive other then very tedious trial and arror? Thanks ian

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Maybe a dumb question...
by Simon 15 Sep '02

15 Sep '02

Hi... I've got a server that doesn't use shadow password, how do I "convert" it so that it uses shadow passwords... Simon

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #26 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 15 Sep '02

15 Sep '02

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #25 - 4 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Wanted: Your Linux software and hardware reviews for cash! (Keith Watson) 2. Fwd: Nominations Request for The 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software (MJ Ray) 3. Fwd: [ian(a)fipr.org: FIPR-Bulletin: Conference announcement: A Fair Deal on Copyright?] (MJ Ray) 4. Unix Backups Made Easy (Keith Watson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Reply-To: <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> From: "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> To: "ALUG Announce $E-mail$" <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:21:14 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Wanted: Your Linux software and hardware reviews for cash! xpost from newsforge; http://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/09/01/1636239 - By Robin "Roblimo" Miller - Linux.com is eager to publish reader-written reviews of Linux software, new or updated Linux distributions, and hardware you have used with Linux. We will pay a small honorarium for each original review, so when you write a review for Linux.com you will not only be helping fellow Linux users but putting a little money in your pocket. Keith --__--__-- Message: 2 To: uklugs(a)lug.org.uk, fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org, announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:31:26 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: Nominations Request for The 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software From: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn(a)fsf.org> Subject: Nominations Request for The 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:13:56 -0400 [ Please redistribute this message widely where appropriate. ] The FSF and the GNU project request nominations for the 2002 FSF Award for the Advancement of Free Software. We want to give this award to a person who has made a great contribution to the progress and development of Free Software (free as in freedom; see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for the definition), through activities that accord with the spirit of software freedom. 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Please submit nominations in the following format: * Put the name of the person you are nominating in the email message subject line. * Please include, in the body of your message, an explanation (40 lines or less) of the work the person has done and why you think it is especially important to software freedom. * Please state, in the body of your message, where to find the software which your nomination is based on. Information about the previous awards can be found online at: http://www.gnu.org/award/ -- Bradley M. Kuhn, Executive Director Free Software Foundation | Phone: +1-617-542-5942 59 Temple Place, Suite 330 | Fax: +1-617-542-2652 Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA | Web: http://www.gnu.org --__--__-- Message: 3 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:18:34 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: [ian(a)fipr.org: FIPR-Bulletin: Conference announcement: A Fair Deal on Copyright?] Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:41:42 +0100 From: Ian Brown <ian(a)fipr.org> Subject: FIPR-Bulletin: Conference announcement: A Fair Deal on Copyright? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this message from the FIPR Bulletin mailing list run by the Foundation for Information Policy Research http://www.fipr.org/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Fair Deal on Copyright? http://www.fipr.org/events.html WHAT: A mini-conference organised by The Foundation for Information Policy Research WHEN: 5.30pm-7pm, Wednesday 25 September 2002 WHERE: The Hong Kong Theatre, Clement House, LSE, The Aldwych, London WC2A 2AE. Hosted by the Department of Information Systems, London School of Economics Admission: free. Space is limited, so please RSVP to fairdeal02(a)fipr.org if you would like to attend. PLEASE REDISTRIBUTE THIS FLYER UNTIL 25 SEPTEMBER - -- The Internet has presented a dramatic challenge to the existing copyright regime. Rights holders such as the music and film industry claim that their businesses are losing many millions of dollars each year to file-swapping networks such as Napster and its successors. One of their main responses has been to lobby for changes in copyright legislation to restrict the ability of consumers to extract and exchange content on-line. The UK government is now holding a consultation on legislation to update UK law in this area, based on the European Union's recent Copyright Directive. This would criminalise certain copyright infringements and circumvention of technology that controls access to media such as DVDs. Would the draft legislation properly balance the incentives given to content creators through copyright, with the benefits to society of the free exchange of information? What effect will criminalising "circumvention technologies" have on computer and Internet security? Will authors, musicians and film-makers needing to sample previous works become criminals? At this conference you can debate the issues with speakers from the Patent Office and open source and library communities, and hear how well similar US legislation has worked in practice. Speakers: The Patent Office: Intro and Q&A on the copyright consultation Julian Midgley, FIPR: Problems with the draft legislation Toby Bainton, Society of College, National and University Libraries: The effect on the UK's libraries Barbara Simons, Association for Computing Machinery: Where the United States went wrong on copyright Background: The Copyright Directive (2001/29/EC) - UK Implementation, The Patent Office: http://www.patent.gov.uk/about/consultations/eccopyright/index.htm Critique of the Proposed UK Implementation of the EU Copyright Directive, Julian Midgley: http://uk.eurorights.org/issues/eucd/ukimpl/critique_uk_impl.html ACM briefings on the US Digital Millenium Copyright Act: http://www.acm.org/usacm/IP/#copyright Media contacts: Ian Brown, Director, FIPR: ian(a)fipr.org / 07970 164 526 Ross Anderson, Chair, FIPR: rja(a)fipr.org / 01223 33 47 33 - -- (c) FIPR September 2002. This e-mail may be copied freely in whole or in part. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have received this message from the FIPR Bulletin mailing list run by the Foundation for Information Policy Research http://www.fipr.org/ To unsubscribe, send an email to: <bulletin-unsubscribe(a)admin.fipr.org> If you need to change your subscribed email address, or for any other administrative matters, please write to: <bulletin-request(a)admin.fipr.org> - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- --__--__-- Message: 4 Reply-To: <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> From: "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> To: "ALUG Announce $E-mail$" <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Unix Backups Made Easy Remember I posted an item on the Main list on backup strategies a while back? Here's an interesting article from slashdot on the same topic; Linux Backups Made Easy http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/07/1630234 mfago writes "A colleague of mine has written a great [0] tutorial on how to use rsync to create automatic [1]"snapshot-style" backups. Nothing is required except for a simple script, although it is thus not necessarily suitable for data-center applications. Please try to be gentle on his server: it is the $80 computer that he mentions in the tutorial. Perhaps try the [2]Google cache." An excellent article answering a frequently asked question. Links 0. http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ 1. http://www.netapp.com/products/filer/snapmirror.html 2. http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:ysk5qyhZDzcC:www.mikerubel.org/computer s/rsync_snapshots/+%22mike+rubel%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Regards, Keith Watson ____________ Whatever thou sayest of God is untrue. Meister Eckhart --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Networking Trouble - Any Ideas
by Steve Fosdick 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

At home here I have a notebook and desktop PC and I can connect between them via a hub and everything works but when I try a crossover cable instead I get one way transmission, from the desktop to the notebook. Thinking it could be a cable fault I connected the cable the other way found (so the pairs in use were the opposite way round) but still the notebook could see packets coming from the desktop and not the other way round. Does anyone have any tips? The desktop is running kernel 2.4.29 and the following is from 'dmesg' for when the crossover cable is in use: natsemi.c:v1.07 1/9/2001 Written by Donald Becker <becker(a)scyld.com> http://www.scyld.com/network/natsemi.html (unofficial 2.4.x kernel port, version 1.07+LK1.0.14, Nov 27, 2001 Jeff Garzik, Tjeerd Mulder) AMD756: dev 100b:0020, router pirq : 2 get irq : 11 PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0 eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xf0929000, 00:a0:cc:7b:33:e6, IRQ 11. eth0: link up. eth0: Setting full-duplex based on negotiated link capability. eth0: Autonegotiation advertising 0x5e1 partner 0x00. Reverting back to the hub, I get, again from the desktop: eth0: link up. eth0: Link wake-up event 0x40020b eth0: Autonegotiation advertising 0x5e1 partner 0x21. eth0: Setting half-duplex based on negotiated link capability.

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Networking Trouble.. stupid ass of Windows 98.
by Craig 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

Since there is a steady increase in networking problems ;) But a bit off here and it is windows trouble ;) At the moment, I have 3 boxes (and a fourth one coming soon) hooked up onto a hub. Router = Linux Workstation = Linux Workstation2 = Windows 98 Now I have set Windows 98 networking to the correct IP, gateway address and DNS. But it doesn't see Workstation + the Router! No ping replies, heck the internet isn't there! I cannot ping it from my workstation/router to workstation2 at all. First thought is the cable connection.. Nothing there. Checked IP etc.. seems fine. Don't suggest 'Linux' on Workstation2 since various people in this household wants to use it ;) Just a thought if anyone actually know a fix to this stupid problem... Or I could start teaching Linux to those people ;) -- (o_ .----------------------------------------. //\ | Craig Butcher | http://www.wizball.co.uk| V_/_ | - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux - | `----------------------------------------'

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Re: [Alug] meeting this Sunday @ the Fat Cat pub Norwich 2pm onwards
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 12 Sep '02

12 Sep '02

I cant sorry im moving to cambrige over the weekend... yes finaly a place i can spell the name of, Weasenham(or somthing like that ;-) isnt fun for me. Cambrige is much simpler. more to the point whats CamLug like? There site isnt as good as ours and theres no wiki! ;) -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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