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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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MySQL Installation
by David Crease 01 Sep '02

01 Sep '02

I installed the binary of MySQL 3.23.51 according to the recipe, I believe. However, when I attempted to start the mysql daemon it gives the message that the daemon is starting immediately followed by a timed message "mysqld ended". Checking that the daemon is not, in fact, running with mysqladmin -p ping gives error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111)' Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' exists! ls shows the socket is there. Another look for the daemon with ps -aux |grep mysql did not show mysqld to be running. Suggestions, please. Memories of Religious Instruction lessons many decades ago seem to indicate that some people were trouble with plagues of daemons. I do not recall anyone being bothered by the absence of daemons. Perhaps this is a rich vein for theological research. With suitable funding from the Vatican, Canterbury, etc there might be a career opportunity for someone. Dave Crease

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FAO John Atkinson VMware 3.0
by John Seago 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

I have a cover disk trial version of VMware if you still want to try it out contact me at the above Email address and I post it to you. -- John Seago

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normal user access to pppd
by Ricardo Campos 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

At the moment I have to su and then run the pon script to go online. That's fine for me, but my machine will soon be multi-user, and I don't want the others to have root's password! What permissions would I need to do to so that normal users could simply type pon to connect? On a similar note, my digital camera downloads pics via the serial port /dev/ttyS0. Unfortunately I have to be root to do this. I have changed the permissions on that device before, but it keeps changing it back???? Weird! What's my best option to solve these probs? permissions on the port/pppd/pon? or set up something with sudo? TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] September 1st Stalham Cancelled
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Aug '02

30 Aug '02

On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 12:31:22PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > Hangon, does this mean there is a meeting on the 1st or not? > > /me is very confused now I think Rob was offering to host a meeting at Elmswell, since the previously arranged one by Keith at Stalham had to be cancelled. However, as no one responded I doubt Rob arranged it. I'm not sure we even have another meeting arranged yet, unless there was a UEA in October. Website says: Stalham on 1st September(cancelled) BBQ in mid Sept? (didn't happen in July) Nelson Court, UEA, Norwich in October? Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] September 1st Stalham Cancelled
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

Keith Watson wrote: >Apologies to all but I'll have to cancel the meeting this Sunday. > >The management here at Stalham have asked me to pass on their apologies >also. > >Apparently there's a problem with our public liability insurance, or to be >more accurate the terms of it have changed since we last used the site for >something like this a couple of years back. > >Very sorry about the late notice. > >Keith No worries - can't be helped. Does that leave the next meeting to be at the uni in Norwich, Octoberish? We'll have to pine till then. Jenny.

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UEA, Norwich on the 1st September?
by Alexis Lee 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

Hi all, I fancy a meeting on the 1st September. Not least so I can get my rustlefustlegrastlefstin GPG key signed. Noodles, slef, adam, ricardo, anyone else: mail boo(a)ikitten.co.uk if you're interested, and I'll book a room. Probably be Nelson Common Room B again. Adam - I have a CD burner (if slightly erratic), so maybe if you picked me up in your lovely car we could LAN our machines and distribute Debian to the masses? If you'd rather not, no problem. Alexis -- "Ruby is the language Buddha would have programmed in" - Sean Russell "I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education" - Wilson Mizner "You got what everyone gets. A lifetime." - Death (Sandman by Neil Gaiman)

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Extracting RPM contents.
by Douglas Willis 29 Aug '02

29 Aug '02

Hi, Does any one know how to extract the contents of an RPM without installing it? The reason I want to do this is I have an RPM that I want to install into a customised location rather than the defaults that are scripted in the RPM install script. -- Douglas Willis (ddw(a)nerc-bas.ac.uk) British Antarctic Survey High Cross, Madingley Road Cambridge, CB3 0ET, United Kingdom tel: +44 1223 221400, fax: +44 1223 362616

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Silver Lining
by Ian Bell 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

You may remember I reproted having my old PII 233 laptop stolen a while ago. Thanks to a new for old insurance policy I am now the proud owner of a brand new Dell Inspiron 2650 with a P4 1.6GHz processor running RH7.3. Happy Ian

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Re: [Alug] Mandrake install worked!
by Syd Hancock 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Hi Russell Congratulations - have fun. I'm just a dabbler, by contrast with most people on the list who seem to be IT professionals. I had a similar experience to you - I was astonished to find a desktop after doing my first install! Not at all what I had expected from the recommended Linux books. All the same, the command line is essential - especially being able to switch to a different console when things go a bit wonky... Some things are easiest done with a GUI - like file copying etc, as you mention - many things can really only be done, or are best done, at the command line. Basically there are a huge number of things to learn and you will just have to pick them up as you go along. Mandrake tries to make it easy and approachable for the inexperienced user - the more experienced find it frustrating for that reason but for many people a lot of hand-holding and being able to do fun things right from the start is a good place to begin. But at some point we all have to start reading and studying and trying things out and breaking them and then trying to find out how to fix them <grin>. I do suggest that you look at the Mandrake support sites, especially <http://www.mandrakeuser.org> which has a lot of helpful, detailed, easy to understand information in the document section. They are useful for any inexperienced linux user, not just MDK users, as are the Suse and Redhat online support. The mandrake user and refrence guides are also invaluable. Best wishes, ask away when you need help - as long as you're making some effort to work things out for yourself then people will be very glad to help. Regards Syd

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Stalham Venue : Hope Remains
by Keith Watson 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Just had some more feedback from the powers that be. 1stly they asked me to pass on their apologies once more (I think they are a bit embarrassed they didn't check sooner) for the cancellation at short notice. They are keen to show support for the open source movement, as much of our next generation systems are based on open source Apache/Java/XML technologies(s) (or commercial variants of, where necessary). We're currently are looking at our 3rd party insurance to see if and how the conditions can be varied. Funnily enough one step that will help is if we restrict access to some parts of the site (at the moment once you're in you're in). This will mean putting some internal locks on some of the doors and reviewing the zoning of the alarm system so we can selectively isolate those areas we want to be accessible. Presumably the insurers feel that if an area is inaccessible then the liability for any accidents is eliminated! So, don't give up hope just yet! Keith ____________ Those who seek the easy way do not seek the true way. - Dogen

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RE: [Alug] Remote command execution..
by Jonathan Dye 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon [mailto:simon.parkes@btconnect.com] > Sent: 28 August 2002 07:25 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: [Alug] Remote command execution.. > > Hi all, > Is it possible to fire up ssh and run a remote command > in a perl script, somthing like : > > system("ssh <user>@<host>:/<command>"); the command would be system("ssh <user>@<host> <command>"); (or at least the ssh part is like that as I've not checked the perl system() command) > Would the above run the command then quit or stay logged in ? It should return when the remote command returns and it's return code will be that of the remote command. Remember that for it to work without asking for a password you need to have a key-pair set up without a password on it or use ssh-agent to remember the password for the key. > Basicaly I need to run a script on a local machine and > dependant upon results, run a script on a remote machine, > then continue back with the script on the local machine. > > Hope it makes sense.. > > TIA > Simon JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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Mandrake install worked!
by Russell Ward 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Hi there, again. Just to tell you that I appear to have a working Linux system now, after previous postings regarding problems with the install. Briefly, I did replace my computer with a newer one, 64MB RAM and 4GB HD. Then just put in the CD and boot floppy, under Win98, and it worked at the second attempt, with a neat GUI install. A couple of things I found offputting as a Linux newbie: No-one explains the partitioning process, you seem to have to know about that already. The 'auto-partition' offers several partitions under Linux, why is that? I wanted, and got, just one, mount point '/', alongside a Win98 partition. Also, it is so much easier to learn Linux using a GUI rather than commandline/console, such as browsing the file structure as well as opening various apps. Sounds obvious, but this doesn't seem to be emphasised in the literature, where commandlines and editing config files abound. I'm glad I persisted, though productivity so far has gone down (damn 'Asteroids'!). I may eventually have some questions regarding C++ possibilities. Until then, thanks to everyone again for your earlier help. Cheers Russell _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: [Alug] Mandrake install worked!
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Russell Ward wrote: >Hi there, again. Just to tell you that I appear to have a working Linux >system now, after previous postings regarding problems with the install. > >Also, it is so much easier to learn Linux using a GUI rather than >commandline/console, such as browsing the file structure as well as opening >various apps. Sounds obvious, but this doesn't seem to be emphasised in the >literature, where commandlines and editing config files abound. Glad the install was successful. However, I couldn't disagree more with the GUI thing. For a newbie, the command line stuff is a far steeper learning curve but once you are even halfway up the cliff you have a much better understanding of what is actually going on in your linux system. I'm renowned for doing things the hard way, however. Jenny.

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Remote command execution..
by Simon 28 Aug '02

28 Aug '02

Hi all, Is it possible to fire up ssh and run a remote command in a perl script, somthing like : system("ssh <user>@<host>:/<command>"); Would the above run the command then quit or stay logged in ? Basicaly I need to run a script on a local machine and dependant upon results, run a script on a remote machine, then continue back with the script on the local machine. Hope it makes sense.. TIA Simon

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Firestarter Pre-reqs?
by Keith Watson 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

Does anyone know what kernel (2.4.18) options are needed for the Firestarter package (0.8.9 as I'm running Gnome 1.4)? And are there any other packages I should install first (iptables?). Keith ____________ Live life as life lives itself. Zen Proverb

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September 1st Stalham Cancelled
by Keith Watson 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

Apologies to all but I'll have to cancel the meeting this Sunday. The management here at Stalham have asked me to pass on their apologies also. Apparently there's a problem with our public liability insurance, or to be more accurate the terms of it have changed since we last used the site for something like this a couple of years back. Very sorry about the late notice. Keith

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Brother network printers
by Paul 27 Aug '02

27 Aug '02

Hi Folks Picked up a Brother HL1660 printer recently complete with a network interface.. Having no end of fun getting it to print anything. I have the IP address and the subnet mask set as 192.168.0.118 & 255.155.155.0 and can ping the thing from any machine, but it will not print! The print queue on the computer is set up for a remote printer, but any jobs are just held in the queue. Help. Regards, Paul.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 26 Aug '02

26 Aug '02

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IMAP server setup
by Ashley 25 Aug '02

25 Aug '02

I want to centralise the storing of my email for my 5 machine LAN. So, after a little online research, I found setting up an IMAP server appeared to be the answer. However, following further investigation, I can't find any tutorials to assist me in doing this. What I want to do is: * Collect email from multiple pop3 addresses * Check email for viruses and automatically bounce virus infected emails * Filter out junk mail into a 'checking' account * Filter email into different IMAP accounts based on to: from: subject:, etc * Further filter the email going into the IMAP account into certain directories (this is a client or server issue?) * Read email on several machines (using IMAP-compatible client) * Reply to, forward to different IMAP accounts, etc What the easiest way to achieve this? Furthermore, in contrasting POP3 and IMAP, I have the following issues: * Are outgoing messages for an IMAP account stored with the IMAP account, or on the local machine? * What method is used for sending the email to the outside world for IMAP? Currently I download from POP3 and send via my ISP's SMTP server. * As the email is stored centrally, I would assume global searching is straight forward. Are their tools available, or can I 'grep' the mailboxes? -- Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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java bug problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Hi list, I've just installed j2re1.3 on a box running debian potato with 2.2.19 and it won't run, brings up the error code 4F530E43505002CC http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4512651.html I've installed the same package in the same way (apt-get) on a second box running the same software. This one runs the same files just fine. Google has many reports of this problem but no answers. I realise this is a feeble and flimsy posting from which I expect to have someone miraculously whisk up a solution, but can anyone shed any light? I can try to capture the output of the error report if it is useful. Thanks, Jenny.

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RE: [Alug] java bug problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Keith Watson wrote: >Were both of these systems exactly identical? If not what were the >differences? Did either have a version of Java installed already? (i.e was >it an upgrade of Java for either of these systems?). > >A full copy of the error messages might be helpful (then again it might not! >:o) ) Aaark. I spotted my mistake. The error was between chair and keyboard. I had not altered the $FILEPATH variable in one of the files for its new location, which was what was making it grumble. Sorry to waste time (specially mine). Round of biccies on me at next meeting. Jen.

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Meeting facilities for members with disabilities
by Keith Watson 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Would it be useful if we indicated the ease of access at the various meeting venues for any members with disabilities? For example at Stalham the meeting room is one the 1st floor but there is a stair lift. There are also suitable toilet facilities on the same floor as the meeting room. As far as I'm aware all the doors are standard width (some are double doors) so presumably should be able to accommodate wheelchairs. Something else that might be of help is a list of people who would be willing to provide transport (assuming ordinary cars etc are suitable) for people who might not normally be able to attend (perhaps a web page link off of the Meetings page?) meetings. Keith ____________ COMMERCE, n. A kind of transaction in which A plunders from B the goods of C, and for compensation B picks the pocket of D of money belonging to E. (Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary)

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Re: [Alug] Mandrake giveaway
by Malcolm Locke 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 10:23:48AM +0100, Ian Douglas wrote: > On Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:45 PM, Malcolm Locke wrote: > > I noticed the following being thrown out of the office adjacent to ours > > and, whilst I don't have use for them myself, figured I could find a > > worthy home for them. All are boxed and un-opened, and most appear to > > contain manuals. > > > > 5 x ProSuite edition 8.2 (8 CD's + 1 DVD) > > 3 x Standard edition 8.2 (3 CD's) > > 2 x Standard edition 8.1 (3 CD's) > > 1 x ProSuite edition 8.1 (9 CD's + 1 DVD) > > 1 x Power pack edition 8.1 (7 CD's) > > 1 x Standard edition 8.0 (3 CD's) > > > > If anyone would like to collect these from me near Sudbury and > > distribute them at the next meeting, or if anyone can suggest another > > worthy cause in the region, please let me know. > > Hi Malcolm, > > It is very thoughtful and generous of you to offer this spare software to > ALUG members rather than just throwing it in the skip, however, > unfortunately, some of us members are housebound and cannot attend meetings. > If I sent you a small payment to cover your postage and expenses would you > be prepared to pop one of the copies of the Mandrake "ProSuite edition 8.2 > (8 CD's + 1 DVD)" in the post to me? (I live in Ipswich)? Certainly. Ian, I will mail you off list with my address. If anybody else would like to be sent a copy the postage second class according to the Consignia web site is 4.05, so we'll call it 4. Malc

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Artwork Needed
by Keith Watson 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Are there any graphic artist types out there who can put together some artwork for the labels and jewel cases for the Debian CDs (1 to 7) and for Knoppix? There are some samples on the Debian site for jewel cases for the 1st CD. It would be nice to have something on the labels that said the CDs were copied by an ALUG member. Keith ____________ CHRISTIAN, n. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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