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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Aug '02

12 Aug '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] postgresql problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

MJRay wrote: >Alternatively, you should install the postgresql-dev package. Normally, to >be able to compile against a library in a package, look for a matching -dev >package. (I think RPM-based distributions use -devel instead. Keystroke >wasters!) > >Far be it from me to dis' yo' bro', but I think he didn't quite give you the >full story this time... That makes sense. I might have known there was a cunning use for these -dev packages My bro' is unfamiliar with debian and the package system, btw. I was grateful to find out what the recalcitrant file was at the time; don't like to harass the alug list with *all* my woes and problems. Just most of them. ;-) Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] postgresql problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

MJRay wrote: >> psql points to /usr/bin/psql which is a link to pg_wrapper, which is a >> binary file, which presumably has the full path. How would I alter this? >Recompile with the right prefix, probably. I think I'll try and cheat and see if i can just create /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/psql as a link to /usr/local/pgsql/bin/psql. I daren't recompile - I just got php, postgres, apache working together after trying for a month. I danced singing round the office this morning. >....(There are debian packages for postgres, btw.) I originally installed it from the deb package but I couldn't get php to compile with psql, as libpq-fe.h was missing. My bro' told me: "lipq-fe.h is a C header file which should be in the lib directory of Postgres BUT may not be there unless you built Postgres from source. A header file is a sort of contract that C makes, declaring which functions there will be, and they're used for linking programs together, eg php and postgres." Thanks, Jenny.

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a little OT- what OS is a website running?
by Ricardo Campos 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

I had a sneaky peek at www.netcraft.com to see what some of my fave websites were running (look, I'm bored). Most, of course were running Linux or a *BSD. Netcraft has a survey of which http servers are being used (i.e. IIS or Apache). Does anyone know of a site that breaks down webservers by the OS??? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Linux Boot Scripts
by Keith Watson 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

While browsing Mr.Gooch's website for devfs info. I noticed that he has developed a replacement set of boot scripts. <http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rgooch/linux/boot-scripts/index.html> I'm currently using the SysV format scripts as I prefer it to the BSD format (mainly because the SysV seems to be better structured and organised), does anyone have any strong views on SysV vs. BSD? Does anyone use Richard's simpleinit system? or anything else for that matter? ____________ What you are looking for is, what is looking? St. Francis of Assisi

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Syleham barbeque
by John Woodard 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hi all, Looks like I'm not going to be able to get the barbeque arranged for August as I had planned. Village Hall bookings, family holidays and other commitments are getting in the way, sorry. Hopefully I can sort it out for the first or second Sunday in September. Let me know what you think. -- Cheers, BJ

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Sony ships PS2-Linux PC conversion kit
by Keith Watson 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

<http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-921233.html>

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postgresql problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Hullo all, I just installed postgres, and when I try to run it it is looking for /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/psql to execute the program. The path it should be looking for is /usr/local/pgsql/bin/psql. I presume that: psql points to /usr/bin/psql which is a link to pg_wrapper, which is a binary file, which presumably has the full path. How would I alter this? Thanks. Jenny.

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #21 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 09 Aug '02

09 Aug '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. NOP Research laptop purchase survey (MJ Ray) 2. Please send things in! (MJ Ray) 3. RE: [alug social] RE: [Alug] Poloshirts & Sweatshirts (Keith Watson) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 12:30:02 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce] NOP Research laptop purchase survey Any recent laptop purchasers? ------- Forwarded Message From: "Don Spillman" <don_spillman(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Laptop Research Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 10:34:19 +0000 Mark, I obtained your email address from the ALUG website. I work for NOP Research (National Opinion Polls). We are seeking, through computer user groups, to hold short meetings with people aged 20 to 49 who have purchased a new (or as new)laptop computer since January 2001. The purpose is to find out what 'private' (as opposed to corporate) purchasers of Laptops are seeking and whether their purchase met their needs. I can arrange to visit at any reasonable time and location between the 6th and 18th August to attend these 'one to one' meetings. We are also offering a £5 Marks and Spencers voucher as a small 'reward' for any of your members willing to participate. If you could pass this request on to your mailing group, I would be most grateful. I can be reached via email at don_spillman(a)hotmail.com or on one of the two phone numbers below. Thanks and Regards, Don Spillman NOP Research 01787 461053 07802 721 565 ------- End of Forwarded Message --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:45:53 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Please send things in! If you have a message, story, link, announcement, or something else that you'd like the whole of ALUG to know about, please send it in to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk and it'll go in this newsletter, about once a week (max once a day). Thanks, -- MJR Treasurer, UK's Association for Free Software http://www.affs.org.uk/ Always happy to advise about Free Software - Also available for hire Algorithm Patents harm innovation! - http://petition.eurolinux.org/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Reply-To: <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> From: "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> To: "ALUG Announce $E-mail$" <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:55:07 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] RE: [alug social] RE: [Alug] Poloshirts & Sweatshirts Cross post from the Social list for anyone who doesn't subscribe and may be interested. Keith ____________ Say nothing and saw wood. Vermont Saying > -----Original Message----- > From: social-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk On Behalf Of Keith Watson > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:02 PM > To: ALUG Social (E-mail) > Subject: Poloshirts & Sweatshirts > > I have some answers to some of the questions raised by various people. > > Sizes: can go up to 52 inch chest as standard (i.e. in stock) but have > supplied bigger!! (I don't know if this affects the price, > they didn't say). > > Colours: White, Navy blue, Sunflower yellow, Black, Bottle green, Red, > Burgundy, Royal blue, Natural, Ash, Heather > > Styles: we can have any mix of colours, sizes, and polo or > sweatshirts as > long as the order is for a minimum of 10 garments (oh, and > they need to know > if they are men's or women's) > > Price: they quoted £14 for poloshirts and £15 for sweatshirts > > Logo: my suggestion is for Tux with ALUG beneath and Anglian > Linux User > Group beneath that. This would be about 10 cms square over > the left breast. > If we had the text in something like light blue then it would > show up on > both light and dark colours, except light blue of course :o) > (the suppliers > say they are happy to take the graphics from the web site - I > would want to > see a sample 1st before agreeing to the order). > > Please let me know if you're interested and what your > requirements are and > we'll see if we have enough interest to proceed; > > e.g. I'm interested in two garments; one Navy Blue man's > sweatshirt for a > 38" chest and one White man's polo shirt for a 38" chest. > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [Alug] Poloshirts & Sweatshirts
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Keith Watson wrote >Any interest? The vital question, though: what *colour*? I'd get one if it said ALUG but not AGLUG, I'm sure it's just not kewl to walk about with a plum puke coloured sweatshirt with A GLUG on it.......unless I'm out of touch with modern fashion. ;-) Jen-knee.

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GBBS - Lonix meet 8th August
by James - listmail 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

GBBS == Great British Beer Festival The Lonix group meet is at the Beer Festival. If it offends that I'm posted this to main, sorry - just move along. Haven't seen much activity at all on the social list. This occurs tomorrow. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: GBBF Hike - Lonix Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 12:54:49 +0100 To: social(a)lists.alug.org.uk Tushar at Lonix sent me a notice a while back about the monthly London meet on Thursday. They have chosen the Great British Beer Festival ;-) I'll be there. The game plan is to meet at the glass washing stand at 1700. I have emailed the Lonix guy to suggest the usual trick of moving back to the glass washing area at half hourly / hourly intervals to pick up stragglers. This is located by the Biere son Frontiere area, so I'm told. Here is a copy of the 2nd August Lonix list announcement: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Lonix - London Linux User Group Great British Beer Festival Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:45:49 GMT From: Tushar Joshi <tjoshi(a)lonix.org.uk> Date: Thur 8 Aug 2002 Time: 5.00pm onwards Place: London, Olympia Map: Tube: Kensington Olympia Phone: 020 8992 7008 This month our meeting will be at the Camra Festival, the great British beer festival held annually at London, Olympia. The festival hosts a wide variety of real ale, trappist beers, cider and perry. There is also plenty of food available, from Chinese food to German sausages. Entrance is £6.00 and more information is available at: http://www.camra.org.uk/SHWebClass.asp?WCI=ShowCat&CatId=235 We will meet at the glass washing area which is also by the Biere son Frontiere area. (Foreign beers for those that don't speak French). We will be here for the duration of the evening. How to get there: Kensington Olympia is on the District Line and other nearby underground stations include Barons Court, Earls Court, High Street Kensington and Hammersmith. Buses to Olympia include numbers 9, 10, 27, 28, 49 and 391. -- James To reply by private email DONT delete the "nospam" in Reply To or From header addresses! -- James To reply by private email DONT delete the "nospam" in Reply To or From header addresses!

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Re: [Alug] project manager
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Douglas Willis wrote: >Hi, >You might like to look at MrProject. This is being distributed with >RedHat 7.3 as standard. I have not uesed it for a project yet but have >looked at it and it seems to cover the bases. > >http://mrproject.codefactory.se/ I neglected to mention that it will be shared by several users, all of whom use windows except me. I probably need something with a web based front end, otherwise this would have been ideal (plus debian has a package for it). Thanks, Jenny.

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Debian CDs
by Keith Watson 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Here's one for the Debian buffs out there (starter for 10 :o) ) Is it worth me downloading a set of the Debian (woody?) CD images (via the fast link here at work) or will it be easier to copy someone else's set? Follow-up questions; if (a) download, how do I get a jigdo image onto a CD? (straight copy or is there a special utility?) if (b) copy CDs, where and when? Regards, Keith ____________ 'I can see nobody on the road.' said Alice. 'I only wish I had such eyes,' said the King 'to be able to see Nobody! And at that distance too!' Lewis Carroll

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project manager
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Aug '02

07 Aug '02

Hi All, Has anyone any experience with "touxdoux" project manager - still in beta stages but by all accounts sort of usable? Can anyone recommend any other web-based free project management packages for linux? Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Still confused...
by Ricardo Campos 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

> It'll do me no good to add these sites into the software manager? Nope. > In either case I'm curious, what is "Relative path to synthesis or > hdlist"? I suspect it means the path to the actual files on the sever, or maybe an index of the files contained on the server. i.e. the index to tell your computer *Where* to look for them. (actually, by RTFM'ing I see that they do indeed have index files that end in .cz on the servers). So, recap: If you want to find rpm's on the net, then use these 2 links. i.e. go to these links in your web browser, find the rpm on the web site, and download it through the web browser. www.freshrpms.net (these may/may not work with mandrake very well) www.rpmfind.net Secondly, there is the mandrake software manager, which can automatically download a list of mirror sites from which you can find RPM's. This is probably your best option. I haven't used Mandrake for almost a year now, I don't remember the exact buttons to press, but I'm sure a little time spent on it will help you find it. If not, there is excellent documentation on the Mandrake website, you may have missed the section on installing packages in the User Guide the 1st time round. e.g. http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/doc/82/en/user.html/x11454.html#AEN11465 I think all I did was to add a security update source, and that had the other rpms on it as well. Try it, it's not going to hurt! http://www.mandrakeuser.org has lots of documentation that is worth reading. Once you read the manual and understand it, all you need to do is find some mirrors with rpm packages on, although IIRC, the security update did that for me. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Still confused...
by Kelly Ash 06 Aug '02

06 Aug '02

Okay, still not clear. Sorry. It'll do me no good to add these sites into the software manager? In either case I'm curious, what is "Relative path to synthesis or hdlist"? Kelly On Saturday 03 Aug 2002 7:24 pm, Ricardo Campos wrote: > > I tried to add the urls you suggested....unsuccessfully. > > I meant you to browse them in a web browser, rather > than the mandrake package manager.They are separate to > it.Sorry if I was unclear.Make sure to choose the > mandrake packages, rather than a different distro's > rpm's. > > > It asks for: > > > > Type of source - http > > New source name - (whatever) > > URL - url of source > > Relative path to synthesis or hdlist - ?????? > > I don't remember where it gets the lists of archives, > IIRC it retrieved them automatically. BJ? Any help on > this? Oo er don't remember think I added it manually. I does the security updat thing for you though. Have a look on the mdk web site for a list of mirrors. -- Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Getting programs to run
by Ricardo Campos 05 Aug '02

05 Aug '02

> I tried to add the urls you suggested....unsuccessfully. I meant you to browse them in a web browser, rather than the mandrake package manager.They are separate to it.Sorry if I was unclear.Make sure to choose the mandrake packages, rather than a different distro's rpm's. > It asks for: > > Type of source - http > New source name - (whatever) > URL - url of source > Relative path to synthesis or hdlist - ?????? I don't remember where it gets the lists of archives, IIRC it retrieved them automatically. BJ? Any help on this? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Ethernet Cards
by Ian Douglas 05 Aug '02

05 Aug '02

Most of my little network uses old 10BaseT network cards however I recently purchased a 10/100 hub and notice that the latest network cards I have ordered are also rated 10/100. I was therefore wondering a few things: Firstly, are 10MHz and 100MHz (on a 10/100 NIC) two discrete speeds or could the NIC/hub pair negotiate an intermediate speed if that is all my dodgey D.I.Y network cabling can handle? (i.e. is it possible for a 10/100 link to run at say 50MHz?) If so then is this intermediate speed negotiated only when the link is first made or will it dynamically drift higher and lower from minute to minute? Secondly, to satisfy my curiosity, I was wondering if anyone could recommend any little Linux programs which I can run in the background to dynamically monitor the speed at which my PC's network card is actually running. Thirdly I notice a couple of the latest NIC's I have ordered (3Com905CX-TX-M) are "managed" and "offer complete PC management". This has captured my imagination as I had always considered network cards to be pretty dumb, boring things. Could anyone guide me to something which could give me a crash course in remote NIC/Hub interrogation as (to me at least)(and yes, I know I need to meet more people and get a life!) this sounds quite an interesting and exciting concept. Finally, does using "managed" network cards within a network mean that my network's security is about to become non-existent? (i.e. if a hacker managed to gain access to my network but couldn't hack into my PC could he, for example, in frustration, remotely configure all my "managed" NIC's to do silly things making my network unusable?) Ian.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 05 Aug '02

05 Aug '02

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Re: [Alug] Choice of E-mail Clients + Stuff
by Ricardo Campos 04 Aug '02

04 Aug '02

> Interesting - I can't find any option for spell checking and yet one of the "suggests" dependancies on the Debian package is the apsell spell checker. Strange. IIRC (I might not!) Sylpheed doesn't have this option, but the "bleeding edge" version sylpheed-claws does. (apt-get install sylpheed-claws) Check the sylpheed homepage, it'll probably have more accurate info. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Does anyone want...
by Wechsler 04 Aug '02

04 Aug '02

Linux Magazines 1 (Oct 2000) ,2,3,5 ? Linux Answers Premiere Issue? Linux Format 1 (May 2000) -> 12? before they get dumped in the recycling bin. Free to anyone who'll take them - drop me a line. Wechsler

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Re: [Alug] Choice of E-mail Clients + Stuff
by Ricardo Campos 04 Aug '02

04 Aug '02

> 1) > What security precautions should I be taking now I can connect to the > internet? Can anyone recommend some useful resources I should study? Any > basic initial measures I should take? If u have a 2.4 kernel, use Gnome and want a quick and dirty firewall setup (using iptables), then I'd highly recommend firestarter. > 2) > Is it worth reviewing the PPP and IP setups with a view to optimising the > modem performance? or are any improvements likely to be marginal? Marginal. If you look through the ALUG archives, there should be some e-mails I did regarding "MTU", lowering the MTU and MSS to about 570 can improve performance, albeit marginal. You notice it with pictures etc. > 3) > Can anyone recommend some mail clients that work with Gnome? There seem to > be loads on Sourceforge and Freshmeat. Some guidance with narrowing down > the list would be most helpful. Sylpheed is my favourite for speed and simplicity. > 4) > I'd also like to migrate my existing M$ Outlook mailbox over to the new > client. Has anyone ever done this? Is it possible? Very probably, haven't done it myself tho. Maybe Evolution can do it? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Possible Meeting Venue
by Keith Watson 03 Aug '02

03 Aug '02

'Der Management' at Kewill have given a provisional OK to ALUG using the training room here at Stalham Staithe for the odd meeting. We need to check out the insurance position but we have run similar events here in the past apparently so with luck and a fair wind.... Our training room has the usual complement of white boards and flipcharts plus we can borrow an OHP and a display projector if required. It's quite large and can take up to 30-40 people (but 20 is comfortable). There is internet access available. Tea/Coffee facilities are also available on site. The Swan and the Maid's Head in Stalham are within about 5 minutes walk So... is this of any interest? Regards, Keith ____________ A ship in the harbour is safe... but that's not what ships were made for. ____________ PS. sorry about all this crap but it's added by the corporate e-mail system. Senior Analyst - Kewill Systems, E-Commerce Division Tel: +44 (0)1692 583735 Tel(S/Board): +44 (0)1692 582720 Fax: +44 (0)1692 581017 Email: mailto:Keith.Watson@kewill.com Web site: http://www.kewill.com This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Kewill Systems plc. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.

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Re: Using NTL Broadband with Linux (Ian Douglas)
by David Howe 03 Aug '02

03 Aug '02

> It might be worth digging a bit deeper into the > 'contract' > The reason why they dont like you to use Linux is > becaus Linux tends to use Masquerading rather than the > Proxy that is common with W$. NO, accoring to the Telewest Blueyonder installer (who was a cool techy not just a jobsworth) that installed mine its because Microsoft own 26% of NTL and therefore just "don't support" Linux. http://www.xciv.org/byhsi/ is a handy link too >> I think the sales rep said they currently recommend "Terayon TeraJet >> 21= > 0" >> cable modems. NTL provide you with a Motorola Surfboard cable modem - this is a good thing if you're technically minded becuase there are plenty of resources on the net to tell you how to get a little more than you're paying for out of your modem (I know a 15 year old kid in Essex on NTL getting 2GB) but of course this is not something I would condone ;) I myself have Telewest Blueyonder connected to an old piece of junk 133MHz Intel running as a smoothwall router www.smoothwall.org - I let the installer set up on a pc with windows on it then transferred the NIC to the crappy box and installed smoothwall to maintain the MAC address. Best regards, Dave

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24/7 dialup access
by Ashley 03 Aug '02

03 Aug '02

I have at last decided to change from metered dialup access to unmetered. Can anyone recommend a good isp with reliable connection, no engaged tones, etc. I'm using pipex atm, which have given me very few problems, but with the problems of their parent company Worldcom... -- Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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