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Re: [Alug] Using NTL Broadband with Linux
by Laurie Brown 03 Aug '02

03 Aug '02

Ian Douglas wrote: > > I currently have a spare hard disk with windoze already installed on it > which I can temporarily put in the firewall PC for the registration process. That'll work... It will make things simpler. > I think the sales rep said they currently recommend "Terayon TeraJet 210" > cable modems. I know nothing about those. You'd better be sure they do RJ45! > Found the DHCP Mini-HowTo. Will print it out and start reading it later > today. DHCP is easy, frankly. The firewall needs to run dhcpcd (the client) to talk to NTL. My IP address has only changed once in more than a year. One of the good things about dhcpcd is it polls NTL every 3 hours and renews the lease so it never expires. > The NTL sales rep eagerly rang back last night, still as clueless as before, > but this time he offered me free installation if I signed up there and then > so I went ahead and booked it up for 14 August. From what I could gather > all the engineer will do is install a cable modem socket, give me a list of > companies from whom I can obtain a modem, then disappear out of the door. > If I want him to bring a modem with him and setup my PC for me (Windoze PCs > only) then there is a £50 installation charge. I chose the D.I.Y route. I rent my CM from NTL, a decision made because I knew that new models were being deployed in some places and I wanted a free upgrade. I got a new one! The engineers were very helpful, put the cable end where I wanted it, made me up an extra long cable for inside, and dropped off the CM. I did the rest. It isn't worth £50! > Thanks for all your help and advice Laurie, My pleasure. I wish I had more time to help more. I'm in Ipswich, BTW. Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] Getting programs to run
by Ricardo Campos 03 Aug '02

03 Aug '02

> Where do I > go searching for these missing files? Heh, I'm SO glad I use a non-rpm based distro. try freshrpms.net and www.rpmfind.net Or use the mandrake package manager. Remember u can add internet sites as sources to it. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Getting programs to run
by Kelly Ash 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

I've loaded a program on here from a CD and was using KDE. Although it showed up in my packages I can't figure out how to get it to run! I was going to try 'run' but I'm not sure what to type in. I tried just the name of the program but that didn't work. I'm using Gnome more and more, think I like it better, and Gnome shows an icon for the program but when I click on it nothing happens. What've I done or not done properly? Also, when you're installing a program and it states you need other files, does that mean for certain that they aren't on here? Where do I go searching for these missing files? Thanks, moving along in baby steps *g* Kelly

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Choice of E-mail Clients + Stuff
by Keith Watson 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

Canon S400 printer now works a treat. The combination of Gimp-Print + CUPS + espgs will cope with an amazing list of different printers (espgs is a specially tweaked version of ghostscript that 'knows' about CUPS and Gimp-Print supplies all the printer definitions). More good news after visiting www.linmodems.org I discovered that the chipset in my internal modem card (not a 'proper' modem but a so-called winmodem) is one that has a set of Linux drivers available (I have the Lucent chipset see http://www.heby.de/ltmodem). After studying the Linmodem, Modem and PPP howto's, I installed PPP and the drivers plus the Gnome PPP application and applet and (after an initial bit of hassle with PAP) it now all works a treat!! I was able to happily dial into my ISP and browse the web with Opera. :o) :o) :o) Interestingly I think web browsing seems faster under GNU/Linux than it is under Windows(2K). Perhaps there's just less OS overhead getting in the way?. Now the questions; 1) What security precautions should I be taking now I can connect to the internet? Can anyone recommend some useful resources I should study? Any basic initial measures I should take? 2) Is it worth reviewing the PPP and IP setups with a view to optimising the modem performance? or are any improvements likely to be marginal? 3) Can anyone recommend some mail clients that work with Gnome? There seem to be loads on Sourceforge and Freshmeat. Some guidance with narrowing down the list would be most helpful. 4) I'd also like to migrate my existing M$ Outlook mailbox over to the new client. Has anyone ever done this? Is it possible? Regards, Keith ____________ The little things in life are as interesting as the big ones. Henry David Thoreau

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Re: lists.alug.org.uk mailing list memberships reminder
by Ian Douglas 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

On Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:54 AM, <mailman-owner(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk> wrote: <snip> > If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to > mailman-owner(a)lists.blackcatnetworks.co.uk. Thanks! </snip> blackcatnetworks ??? Ian.

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Re: Using NTL Broadband with Linux
by tom potts 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

It might be worth digging a bit deeper into the 'contract' The reason why they dont like you to use Linux is becaus Linux tends to use Masquerading rather than the Proxy that is common with W$. With Proxy they can tell how many PC's you are using on the inside at any time. Its not so easy with Linux routing/firewall so you may actually be in breach of their T&C's using it and you may be cut off as a result! That may be 'urban paranoia' but, as Laurie said, they all seem to insist on w$ on the inside. This may be due to the fact the sales staff are taps but with consume.net ramping up I think not. Can anybody get copies of the contracts for these things - they're not easy to find online? Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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DVD Hardware Decoders
by Daniel Simpleman 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

I have a P821 DVD Decoder card which is based on the ALI M3309 chipset and I was wondering if its compatible for linux its old (1999) and they dont make anymore drivers for it. They did not even make any linux drivers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Using NTL Broadband with Linux
by Ian Douglas 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Are there any ALUG members on the list who have their Linux network connected to the internet via NTL Broadband? An NTL sales rep rang me last night trying to get me to sign up for their broadband service. Unfortunately I think he was just reading a pre-prepared script as he was unable to answer many technical questions. In particular he was adamant that their cable modem box needed to be connected to a PC running Windows 98 or higher (*NOT* Linux). Has anyone managed to get round this as I would prefer my firewall (the PC on my network which will actually be connected to the NTL box) to continue to be Linux based rather trying to find a Windows based solution. Ian.

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OFTC down?
by John Woodard 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

I cannot get any response from the OFTC web site or irc server, does anybody know something that I don't? -- Cheers, BJ

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installing from cover CDs
by Glen Tyler 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

Hi All, I know that cover CD's seem to cause much furrowing of brows but..... Although I have been toying with linux for nearly a year, I have just used RedHat up until now. So I thought that I might get a lightweight distro from the covers of Linux Format. Gentoo and The LRS distros look interesting, but how are they installed? If I burn the iso image onto CD what do I do next?. When I installed RedHat I remember that I had to make a floppy with the boot image to launch the installer, but where would I get that from for these OSs? Although I've looked at the disc and mags there does not seem to be an idiots guide to this (which is what I need). I like to find things out for myself if possible - but don't know where to go from here. what I need is a simple instruction list something like.. 1) burn the gentoo iso image file onto a CD 2) get *****.*** file onto a floppy from??? 3) boot using floppy 4) mount CD 5) start install can anyone help? Thanks Glen

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Jul '02

29 Jul '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Some networking questions
by John Woodard 28 Jul '02

28 Jul '02

The story so far.... OK so as some of you are aware I have a multi box, multi OS network at home running various Unix, Win 3.11, 9x and NT systems which consists of between 2 and 8 nodes at any one time at the moment. The network will never have more than 10 boxes (rash statement I know). I have loads of questions about the best way to get this up and running so here is some info to give some background on what I have and what I need. The LAN is connected to the outside world via an ISDN router which has a fixed IP address of 192.168.0.50 the rest of the nodes have fixed addresses in the range 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.0.10 and a sub net mask of 255.255.255.0. The Win boxes can all see each other and can print to each others printers via MS file and Printer sharing. One Linux box can be seen the Windows boxen via a very rudimentary Samba set up but Linux cannot see, share files or print to the Win boxen. The *nix boxes can all ping one another but I don'tknow how to share files or printers between them. What I'd like to do is have one Linux box as my gateway to the net acting as a mail server, firewall and maybe a web cache for all the other nodes on the LAN and to be able to print and share files from/to any box or printer. I'm presuming that because its just a small workgroup peer to peer network that I won't be needing a DNS server an will keep the IP addresses staticly assigned. What is the best way to setup a mail server, I have multiple accounts? Fetchmail/sendmail or are there better alternatives? What is the easiest way to share files between Linux boxes? -- Cheers, BJ

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xterm meta key
by Adrian F. Clark 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

Please save from tearing out what little hair I have left! I'm trying to make a Debian (woody) installation let me delete the previous word in an xterm (using tcsh) by typing meta-backspace, i.e. just like the Emacs keystroke. But it's not playing ball. It's actually pretty weird as I've never had this trouble under RedHat or SuSE (or SunOS, come to that). Relevant information: o xrdb -query reports (among other things) xterm.eightBitInput: true o I have no bindkey commands in my .cshrc and no ~/.tcshrc file o A short Tk script shows that backspace generates keycode 22 I thought I'd just need to say bindkey "M-^H" backward-delete-word in my .cshrc but that doesn't work. Any suggestions? ..Adrian -- Dr Adrian F Clark WEB: http://esewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/ EMAIL: alien(a)essex.ac.uk TEL: +44 1206 872432 FAX: +44 1206 872900 PAPER: VASE Lab, Dept ESE, University of Essex, Colchester, CO4 3SQ, UK

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Re:
by Kelly Ash 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

On Wednesday 24 July 2002 12:21 pm, you wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:21:37 +0000 > From: Alexis Lee <lxs(a)sdf-eu.org> > To: Kelly Ash <LadySpudz(a)HotPop.com> > Subject: Re: [Alug] Seeing double > Message-ID: <20020724112137.A12040(a)sdf-eu.org> > Reply-To: lxs(a)ikitten.co.uk > > Hi Kelly, > > Try right clicking the applet. If that doesn't work, hold down CTRL or > ALT and try it. > > Your questions have hit the list three times now... please don't do > this. We do have lives of our own (of a sort, anyway), so we won't > always reply immediately. > > > Alexis Have right clicked and tried both Ctrl and Alt but none of those give me the option to delete/remove the panel. I apologize for the questions showing up 3 times. I must have missed a list somewhere in changing my email address. I wasn't expecting immediate answers from anyone, I hadn't received a list that showed my posts and thought I may have typed the 'Main' address incorrectly or had a problem with my connection and it hadn't gotten sent at all. Put a black mark by my name in the club book and I'll try my best to see it doesn't happen again ;-) Kelly

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Mandrake install
by Russell Ward 26 Jul '02

26 Jul '02

During my latest attempt to install Mandrake Linux, I mistakenly opted for KDE, which my old system doesn't seem to handle (lots of harddrive noises and takes ages for anything to show). It automatically tries to load a GUI when I login, and I can't see how to revert to a command-line to try and edit some config file. Ctrl-Alt-Bckspc eventually closes the GUI but it then loads up again before I can key in anything else. I would like to use IceWM or Sawfish (less resource demanding? and WMaker didn't appear to be offered during the install). Any ideas please? (The GUI never loads fully so I can't access any config tools that way.) I would prefer not to reinstall (about 5 times now), and feel I am getting somewhere, at least in terms of basic Linux knowledge(ie noway am I going to revert to a previous OS). Fuller report on my experiences as a newbie when I get the machine to do some work! Cheers Russell _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Perl problem...
by Simon 25 Jul '02

25 Jul '02

Hi everyone, I want to make sure a some values are added into a table but am having some problems.. I'm trying to use the following $dbh = DBI->connect('dbi:mysql:dbname','user','passwd'); if($dbh->do("insert into <table-name> value('$data1','$data2 etc...)") == 1) { blah blah } else { blah blah } But I keep on getting an error about an undefined subroutine... help please.. TIA SImon

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Re: [Alug] RE:Funny error message
by Craig 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 06:48:03PM +0000, Ricardo Campos said: > A few months. But I've always submitted bugs when I find > them, not that I ever get anything as useful as the > output you got. I don't mind submitting bugs reports, just that the last one really puts me off. Got told 'If you don't want to help, don't use Debian'. But the guy couldn't understand how the bug happened (some others reported the same problem and the guy dismissed them). So it was down to myself and a quick simple hack just did it. Never bothered to email the guy anyway about the quick fix. -- Craig

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Re: [Alug] Debian 3.0 Woody
by Ricardo Campos 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

> What's the point? Go unstable. Most software are still old in Testing > anyway. I only upgrade software when the new version has a benefit over the old one. A lot of the time, this is not the case. Occasionally, there are bugfix issues. > Doesn't it really matter? Nope, I never said it did. My e-mail was praising debian. >I mean you are running the latest bleedin' > edge of Debian ;) Another thing is that Woody cd will be outdated by now > ;) apt-get upgrade ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Let the questions begin!!
by Kelly Ash 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Trying again... I'm not entirely clear on how the file/folder system works in here. Keeping in mind I'm used to using the OTHER OS, is it the same sort of structure? Where are the best/worst places to create folders so that I can remember where things are? Looks like user and home but I'd rather ask before I start trying to add folders etc... #2 - I see some programs (in a brochure that came with the user guide) that I supposedly have available to me but apparently I didn't load during the install. Can I put the install CD back in and load them now without going through the whole install again? Don't know if they'd be on the first CD or the Comm. Apps CD....hmmm......... #3 - In anticipation of installing Linux I began buying Linux Format mag and The Linux Magazine. The cover CD's, (and this more than likely has to do with my first question to some point) if I pop in the CD, then what? Will it automatically put things where they're supposed to go? From what I can gather not having tried it yet, there will be some other 'work' to do to get some of them installed too and they seem to give good directions. #4 - While reading through the user guide that came with my 'boxed set' and also a book called Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours (yeah right! *g*). When they go through different steps on how to do things it tells me different commands to type but not where or what I should be in to type them!! It seemed a stupid question so I had my fiance try finding out in the books with no luck, so I'm asking. #5 - Have you dozed off yet? lol. There's way too much "space" around my windows. Is there some way to fix this within Linux so that I don't have to keep changing my monitor settings as I go back and forth with Bills product? OK, guess that's if for today. Hope they aren't silly questions......honestly I am researching but can't get to the answers fast enough, could be just a bit excited and impatient. Maybe. Kelly -------------------------------------------------------

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RE:Funny error message
by Ricardo Campos 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Craig- make sure you submit this to the debian bug tracking system if you haven't already (I'm sure you have), otherwise it won't get fixed. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Seeing double
by Ricardo Campos 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

> I accidentally added two of the same applets to my panel and can't figure out > how to remove one of them. Probably not looking in the right place which > would be....? Right click on the applet, left click on "Remove from Panel". Gnome and KDE work a lot like windows interface-wise. Also, please tell us exactly which desktop manager you are using. i.e. KDE or Gnome. The answers may be slightly different. There are LOADS of window managers and they all work slightly differently. (Sometimes VERY differently). > And I don't think my last post got through so will send it off again, as an > addition to it; I asked about loading software from a coverdisc (how and to > where), also how would downloading from the internet work? As far as files > being places where they need to go or is that manual? I've received it 4 times now. Perhaps you have the option to see your own posts turned off in your mailing list settings? If you look in the archives (on the website), several people posted their suggestions. (I did I know) Downloading from the internet works the same way as it does in windows, only a little faster (I've noticed). In regards to the coverdiscs, my opinion on that was covered in a previous post. When installing programs, you can download rpm's anywhere. rpm -ivh packagename.rpm will install it and put all the packages in the right places,no matter where you downloaded the rpm files. (you need to be root to do this) You may find this handy: in a terminal type kelly@computer$ su it will ask for a password (the root password) type it in, hit enter You will get the prompt: root@computer# That's how you temporarily log in as root using a terminal. When you have finished doing whatever (i.e. installing rpm's), type exit to exit back to your normal user. If you ever need help on a command, type: man <program name> i.e. man rpm it will give you it's manual page. If you need to exit the man page, just press q (i.e. for quit). That took me ages to work out!!!! Trying Mandrakes software manager (see BJ's post) is recommended, it will download the rpms automatically, and install them too. i.e. learn to crawl before you try to run. Other than all the other suggestions people have made, I would say that maybe you just need to play a bit more, and be a little bit bolder. i.e. try these things out. If you are not logged in as root, then you can't do any *Serious* damage, and if you do, so what? Most people reinstall linux a few times when they start out- you learn from your mistakes (and I make a lot of them). Also, perhaps read one of those "Linux for Dummies" books from the library (or buy one). I always read up using those kinds of books when doing something new and then move on to more complicated books when I get the basics sorted in my head. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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jigdo woes
by Adam Bower 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Hi all, just got back from work to find out that my jigdo download of Debian Woody CD1 has failed it says :- Aaargh - 1 files could not be downloaded. This should not happen! Depending on the problem, it may help to retry downloading the missing files. which it seems to keep trying to download the file driver-4.bin now this is a tad annoying as i can't burn the first CD, I have tried using 4 mirrors now so i feel that if the file is corrupt then somebody would have fixed it by now... Any ideas? /me wishes they would just offer normal .iso images :( Adam -- "Step away from the Cathedral, This Bazaar is loaded" jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Let the questions begin!!
by Kelly Ash 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

I'm not entirely clear on how the file/folder system works in here. Keeping in mind I'm used to using the OTHER OS, is it the same sort of structure? Where are the best/worst places to create folders so that I can remember where things are? Looks like user and home but I'd rather ask before I start trying to add folders etc... #2 - I see some programs (in a brochure that came with the user guide) that I supposedly have available to me but apparently I didn't load during the install. Can I put the install CD back in and load them now without going through the whole install again? Don't know if they'd be on the first CD or the Comm. Apps CD....hmmm......... #3 - In anticipation of installing Linux I began buying Linux Format mag and The Linux Magazine. The cover CD's, (and this more than likely has to do with my first question to some point) if I pop in the CD, then what? Will it automatically put things where they're supposed to go? From what I can gather not having tried it yet, there will be some other 'work' to do to get some of them installed too and they seem to give good directions. #4 - While reading through the user guide that came with my 'boxed set' and also a book called Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours (yeah right! *g*). When they go through different steps on how to do things it tells me different commands to type but not where or what I should be in to type them!! It seemed a stupid question so I had my fiance try finding out in the books with no luck, so I'm asking. #5 - Have you dozed off yet? lol. There's way too much "space" around my windows. Is there some way to fix this within Linux so that I don't have to keep changing my monitor settings as I go back and forth with Bills product? OK, guess that's if for today. Hope they aren't silly questions......honestly I am researching but can't get to the answers fast enough, could be just a bit excited and impatient. Maybe. Kelly

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Seeing double
by Kelly Ash 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

I accidentally added two of the same applets to my panel and can't figure out how to remove one of them. Probably not looking in the right place which would be....? And I don't think my last post got through so will send it off again, as an addition to it; I asked about loading software from a coverdisc (how and to where), also how would downloading from the internet work? As far as files being places where they need to go or is that manual? Have this addy for Linux now. Thanks again, Kelly

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Funny error message
by Craig 24 Jul '02

24 Jul '02

Ran 'Links' on my web server to see some website was alive and when I quit the program.. it said: Memory leak by 28 bytes List of blocks: 0x8116438:52 @ dns.c:374 Forcing core dump Man the Lifeboats! Women and children first! Segmentation fault Woo! Oh the box is using debian, looks like they screwed up something? ;) -- Craig

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