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Re: [Alug] Let the questions begin!!
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

>#1 Think of /home as "My Documents". Put all your data there. All directories come off of / , which you can think of as similar to c: in windoze (similar, not the same). The structure is like a tree, with / as a root, and others coming off ass branches: /bin = where many essential binaries are kept /sbin = As above, but system binaries /home = If your username is "kelly", then your home directory is /home/kelly/ /lib = system libraries /usr = has a few things coming off it, mainly user-installed things i.e. /usr/games /usr/bin /usr/lib etc. /var = contains system logs and stuff (var=variable) > #2 - There's a mandrake packaging tool that's pretty good- BJ? > #3 - In anticipation of installing Linux I began buying Linux Format mag and > The Linux Magazine. I spent ages trying to get things off those CD's when I first started. I think I wasted a lot of time doing that. Get used to your system first, and when possible let the mandrake installer get you new packages. > #4 - While reading through the user guide that came with my 'boxed set' Look for programs that have "terminal" in the name. This will bring an old-school command line up- do them here. > #5 - Have you dozed off yet? lol. There's way too much "space" around my > windows. Not sure. May be just the difference between the drivers. I have to adjust my monitor, but only the few times when I boot into windoze. > OK, guess that's if for today. Hope they aren't silly > questions......honestly I am researching but can't get to the answers fast > enough, could be just a bit excited and impatient. Maybe. No, it's cool. I'm trying to write a good newbies guide to linux for my friends who are interested. I found this site helpful:- www.linuxnewbie.org Also, there is a Mandrake user website too. A lot of it is learning *how* to read the documentation. Some of it appears to be written by robots rather than humans. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] which php version
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Martyn Drake wrote: >PHP should install and overwrite whatever previous version is installed, >assuming that version 4.0.6 is installed in it's default directory and >that you've ensured that the right module is loaded within httpd.conf. >Look for the relavent LoadModule php4_module to find out where PHP has >been installed and compare that with what you've just compiled. I think it was originally not installed in the default directory and still isn't. I created a directory for them. under /. Perhaps why it all went wrong? OK - I found the new php4 directory, and also put the absolute paths for the psql.so etc libs into php.ini, and now I get the correct version and postgres support with the <?phpinfo> command. Excellent! Many thanks! Just one thing - php -v is still showing 4.0.6, even though I changed the php4lib.so module line in httpd.conf. >The latest version is now 4.2.2 ......... Thanks, grabbed that one now. This leads me to a further question for the debianites: - if I had used apt-get install php4 instead of compiling it myself, how would I have passed the configure-with options to php? Thanks Martyn, that has been driving me mad for days. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Debian Installation screen
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

> However, someone I know on IRC decided to try build a > basic "user friendly" installer. what, like this one? http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=699 -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Setting up nVidia GeForce 2 MX400
by Ian Douglas 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Now that I have been running Linux on my new PC for a few days I would like to try to set it up to use XWindows. When I installed Debian I remember it saying it couldn't recognise my video card (nVidia GeForce 2 MX400) and although I have sussed out I can now run XF86Setup to try and set up XWindows all the different selections of Card/Monitor combinations I have entered have failed, even the basic VGA. The only XWindows I can get to run looks like part of a 320 x 200 screen. If there are any ALUG members on the mailing list who have managed to get an nVidia GeForce 2 MX400 video card working with Debian 2.2r4 could they please let me know what settings they used for XF86Setup. The monitor I am using is an AOC Spectrum 7V which should be able to easily handle at least 1024 x 768. Thanks, Ian.

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Debian Installation screen
by Craig 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Apparently a lot of people are sick to death with Debian main installation. However, someone I know on IRC decided to try build a basic "user friendly" installer. Good luck to him I say but I will try my best to report how he is getting on etc. Just thought it was worth a mention ;) -- Craig

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Let the questions begin!!
by Kelly Ash 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

I'm not entirely clear on how the file/folder system works in here. Keeping in mind I'm used to using the OTHER OS, is it the same sort of structure? Where are the best/worst places to create folders so that I can remember where things are? Looks like user and home but I'd rather ask before I start trying to add folders etc... #2 - I see some programs (in a brochure that came with the user guide) that I supposedly have available to me but apparently I didn't load during the install. Can I put the install CD back in and load them now without going through the whole install again? Don't know if they'd be on the first CD or the Comm. Apps CD....hmmm......... #3 - In anticipation of installing Linux I began buying Linux Format mag and The Linux Magazine. The cover CD's, (and this more than likely has to do with my first question to some point) if I pop in the CD, then what? Will it automatically put things where they're supposed to go? From what I can gather not having tried it yet, there will be some other 'work' to do to get some of them installed too and they seem to give good directions. #4 - While reading through the user guide that came with my 'boxed set' and also a book called Teach Yourself Linux in 24 hours (yeah right! *g*). When they go through different steps on how to do things it tells me different commands to type but not where or what I should be in to type them!! It seemed a stupid question so I had my fiance try finding out in the books with no luck, so I'm asking. #5 - Have you dozed off yet? lol. There's way too much "space" around my windows. Is there some way to fix this within Linux so that I don't have to keep changing my monitor settings as I go back and forth with Bills product? OK, guess that's if for today. Hope they aren't silly questions......honestly I am researching but can't get to the answers fast enough, could be just a bit excited and impatient. Maybe. Kelly

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Re: [Alug] Setting up nVidia GeForce 2 MX400
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

> If there are any ALUG members on the > mailing list who have managed to get an nVidia GeForce 2 MX400 video card > working with Debian 2.2r4 could they please let me know what settings they > used for XF86Setup. I could never get it to work with that version of X. (I think it's 3.3.6). However, Debian 3.0 has been released and it just works fine with X4.1.0. I'd highly recommend an upgrade to Debian 3.0, I could then send you my XF86Config-4 file. (I have the exact same card). The driver you want is "nv", although you can get proprietary drivers from nvidias website (although debian 3 has apt-gettable versions), which uses the "nvidia" driver, and also (regrettably) patches the kernel (so you need your kernel source handy). I upgraded over the weekend from 2.2r3 to 3.0 using a dialup. (took friday night until I came home from pub, and sat morning). For the debian release details, www.debianplanet.org has a good collection of links and mentions new X setup tools. (I haven't used them, though). Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Debian 3.0 Woody
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

OK, with debian 3.0 released, I'm wondering if I should now change my default release in my apt.conf to "stable"? At the moment it's still "testing", and I haven't noticed any changes when I apt-get upgrade. Congrats to the debian developers, and the users that have supported debian (bug reports, just plain using it). What a complicated project, and only 2.5 months late! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Debian 3.0 Woody
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

> It was never "late" it arrived when everyone said it would, ie when it was > finished :) I know. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Debian 3.0 Woody
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

>should you have changed > the "testing" to "woody" in apt-sources list so the apt moved with the > version? I tried that, but when I put woody instead of testing and did apt-get update, I got a shedload of 404 errors. Perhaps ftp.linux.co.uk was just broken at that point. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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which php version
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Hullo List, I installed php-4.2.1 last week by downloading and configuring the tarball, using the - - with - options. The system is still using the old version, however: php-4.0.6. Because I've upgraded postgresql using apt-get to v7.2.1 I needed to recompile php, you see, and so thought I may as well grab the latest version whilst I was at it. How does the system know which of the php's to use? If I brutally remove the v4.0.6 directory I assume php won't work at all. I feel like I've gone back a year in time, all this newbie fumbling about. Does my question make any sense at all? Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Debian 3.0 Woody
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jul '02

23 Jul '02

Ricardo wrote: >OK, with debian 3.0 released, I'm wondering if I should >now change my default release in my apt.conf to >"stable"? At the moment it's still "testing", and I >haven't noticed any changes when I apt-get upgrade. > >Congrats to the debian developers, and the users that >have supported debian (bug reports, just plain using >it). What a complicated project, and only 2.5 months >late! > >Ricardo Ricardo - I don't really know what I'm talking about, but I mixed up testing and stable with very unpleasant results - should you have changed the "testing" to "woody" in apt-sources list so the apt moved with the version? That's what I did...I was using testing, then MJR said to do that before woody moved to stable. Yes - I'm constantly amazed what effort people put in to this open source thing. Jen.

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Re: VBScript Detected
by MJ Ray 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

postmaster(a)col-westanglia.ac.uk <postmaster(a)col-westanglia.ac.uk> wrote: > The College of West Anglia Mail Systems have detected VBScript in an email. I think we've just found another bug in the College of West Anglia Mail Systems, folks. I thought ddryden had unsubbed from there anyway. Oh well. MJR

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Re: [Alug] DVD Playing
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> > Now so far no piece of software has offered me the choice of setting the > > region of the player. The player is an OEM one, :-/ Mine seems ready to play region 1 and 2 interchangeably without any problems. I'm sure I've played both more than 5 times. Steve- What terminal o/p do you get? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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IRC Help
by Daniel Simpleman 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Hello Everyone I have a big question. I would like to come to these IRC meetings but Im using on a different server at the same time. I was just told I could connect to two different servers at the same time but I cant seem to find out how to do it, So Im wondering if anyone knows how to do it without downloading any special script programs... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] drive seek error....
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> Anything that cools down a component (HDD, CPU, etc) will help with long term > reliability. Therefor, I would check with other users to see if heat build up > is common, and install a fan to cool things down. > You can purchase fan units that screw on to HDDs for a few pounds.. Yeah, this could be a consideration. I'll leave it for now, however... time might tell but I may eat my words: I used www.memtest86.com (well, memtest86) on my RAM. I have 2 modules. 3 Slots. Due to rather bad design of the mobo, I had them in slots 2 and 3. It hasn't been a problem... Interestingly, in Windows (which was my only usable OS at one point), the computer would simply reboot, much as Ian described. I just put it down to W98 being crap. I still think it's crap, though. ;-) I ran the test on each module in slot 3 and they worked fine, no errors. I tried them in their original configuration. The test got stuck.(actually test 7 did). Presently, I have them in slots 1 and 3. The difference in speed is amazing. Like, it feels like the difference between my old amd k6-2 400 Mhz 64mb machine compared to this one (Duron 750, 512 MB). I am actually truly amazed at the difference.The mobo manual doesn't mention anything about a slot 1 and slot 3 requirement. Did I say how much difference it made? I'm amazed. So I'll see how stable this is. This is my first boot. I had to do a manually fsck on one partition, but I'm hoping/guessing this is just from the previous time I booted and it just fscked it all up. Time will tell, I guess. Thanks to all who helped. ALUG rocks. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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drive seek error....
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

OK, looks like it wasn't my hard drive that was the problem... Yesterday, after hours of use installing on a new HD (hours due to net install), I booted up and it worked OK. I then rebooted at one point and LILO gave me:- ERR=2 Unrecognised compression format. Halting. Another reboot booted the kernel, but it had millions of Drive Seek Ready errors and DMA errors, then halted at INIT. I checked the cables (in fact put new ones in), and noticed that the hard drive was SUPER-hot). Leaving it for 30 mins, it booted OK. Does anyone think it may be overheating? Or poss a RAM error? (So the kernel doesn't load up properly). Any ideas? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] drive seek error....
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> > Does anyone know of software to test physical memory? > > memtest86 is good, I've got it as a boot option from lilo now. > http://www.memtest86.com/ Seems to fit the bill exactly. Many thanks. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] drive seek error....
by Jonathan Dye 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> > Eventually I started getting BIOS boot memory errors. > > New RAM module fixed it. > > Does anyone know of software to test physical memory? memtest86 is good, I've got it as a boot option from lilo now. http://www.memtest86.com/ > I have 2 RAM modules, 1 new, 1 older. I guess 1 might be > giving problems. I've borrowed some RAM from work to see > if that fixes it. JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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Re: [Alug] drive seek error....
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> Eventually I started getting BIOS boot memory errors. > New RAM module fixed it. Does anyone know of software to test physical memory? I have 2 RAM modules, 1 new, 1 older. I guess 1 might be giving problems. I've borrowed some RAM from work to see if that fixes it. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] DVD Playing
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

> I remember a discussion at the last meet about playing DVDs and someone > recommending Xine as a player. I have had a go at setting this up and it > complains saying it won't play encrypted DVDs even with libdvdcss > installed. > > Has anyone else got this working? If so what did you have do do? I found xine hokey, personally. I found OGLE to be far more reliable in it's support for DVD's, menus, etc. But then again it doesn't play mpegs or avi's. Maybe try an older version of libdvdcss- for some reason the newest one doesn't work for me, but the old one does! Also, your DVD might need to be set rw, I can't play encrypted DVD's without it being rw for the user in question. Hope that helps. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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DMA and Bus Hogging?
by Steve Fosdick 22 Jul '02

22 Jul '02

Thanks for the info on DVD playing. I now have another issue for people to ponder... I have a SCSI CD-Writer and if I run digital audio extraction on that at the same time as trying to do something with the hard disk, programs trying to use the hard disk seem to be made to wait for the CD Writer, i.e wait until the end of the track being extracted, and in syslog I get a series of messages like this: Jul 21 23:04:29 pelvoux kernel: hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Jul 21 23:04:34 pelvoux kernel: ide0: reset: success My initial guess as to what is happening is that the SCSI card is hogging the PCI bus and preventing any commucication withe IDE controller. This is the second time I have come accross problems with things getting in each other's way - the other one was with video capture. In that case I thought turning on DMA so hard disk writes would be faster wold improve vide capture but actually resulted in many more lost frames than driving the hard disk in PIO mode. So, can anyone confirm from the little information I have here that this indeed a PCI bus sharing problem or suggest what it might be instead. Either way can anyone think of a software solution to it? Steve.

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Re: [Alug] DVD Playing
by Ricardo Campos 21 Jul '02

21 Jul '02

> So in your opinion ogle is a better alternative? Or are there other players I > should be looking at? For DVD playing, I think Ogle is best. I personally use xine, but just for divx, avi and mpeg. (you could also check out mplayer too) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] DVD Playing
by Ricardo Campos 21 Jul '02

21 Jul '02

> I have had a go at setting this up and it > complains saying it won't play encrypted DVDs even with libdvdcss > installed. Just been looking at my notes- I found that although the make install went 'OK' it HADN'T copied the files to /usr/lib/ (on Debian). Perhaps check that. If not, run xine from the terminal and give us some error messages! --in fact, I'm just rebuilding my machine after my HD crash. I need to add dvd support... --back! I needed to: 1.download libdvdcss-0.0.3-ogle3 from: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/~jcm/skyblade/XINE-0.9.06/source.TAR.B… 2.apt-get install ogle-mmx ogle-gui 3.bunzip2 libdvdcss; tar -xvf libdvdcss ; ./configure ; make ; make install 4. cd libdvdcss/lib/ 5. cp * /usr/lib 6. chmod 666 /dev/hdc 7. mount /cdrom 8. open ogle, open /cdrom and watch Crounching Tiger. Unfortunately, xine still doesn't play them. Maybe you need to put the .so 's elsewhere. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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