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Re: [Alug] ALUG early July @ King's Lynn
by Ricardo Campos 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > Yeah i was going to talk about apt and dpkg, but then I am scared of all > the Debian people who will heckle... >ITYM *help* not heckle... ;-) At least when people heckle it shows they're listening! I promise not to throw any rotten fruit at you! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] ALUG early July @ King's Lynn
by Ricardo Campos 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

>What topic? Well, I have worked as a (NT) network admin in some large companies, and I would be interested in discussing the problems Linux would face on the admin side within that kind of situation. I couldn't give answers... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Mandrake install problems
by Ricardo Campos 26 Jun '02

26 Jun '02

> It will boot from c drive into Linux, apparently with no problem, giving me > access to the CD player (using mount/dev and so on). I would like to ask how > to then reinstall the entire OS, from the CD, starting from Linux. Is there > a simple command that will start the install? If you root around on the first CD there should be a folder called "images", with .img files. You could then make a floppy boot disk for Mandrake and do it using that. If you are in Windows, you can use rawwrite.exe (in dosutils on the CD), if you are in Linux: su to root mount the cdrom insert floppy disk, then do this command:- dd if=/mnt/cdrom/images/cdrom.img of=/dev/fd0 when it is done copying files, issue "reboot" or "shutdown -r now" with the floppy in the drive, and hey presto, the install will begin. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

> I believe progeny also uses some > type of auto-installer, that could be another avenue for Paul to look at. ...You can d/l a Debian 3.0 (Woody) Progeny installer ISO at:- http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi/ I haven't tried it personally, though. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Mandrake install problem
by Russell Ward 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Whilst installing Mandrake from a CDROM the machine crashed, at the config X Windows stage (the long list of video cards). One result is that 'startx' doesn't work , server error no. 2. I posted a couple of weeks ago on this topic. Thanks to those whose responded. I have since tried installing the various XFree86 packages, but with no success. My idea now is simply to reinstall the entire OS from the CD, but I no longer have Win 98, so could someone tell me what command to use to start the install again? Again, I am new to Linux, so please excuse my sounding clueless..... Russell _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Re: [Alug] .sit files
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

> Whats wrong with Mac Users? They have a strange look in their eyes. They smell funny. They spend all day on photoshop designing things. ;) It was a tongue-in-cheek gesture, this mac user is my beloved eldest sister, and most of my partners have been artists and therefore Mac users. But Mac users still smell funny, though. *giggle* >These I think are stuffit files see > http://www.stuffit.com they do Linux binaries (see the > download section) but these have a buy or evaluate option. Yeah, that was what I was trying to avoid. It seems macutils doesn't have it, and I dislike adding things that aren't .debs ... (unsit isn't in Woody) I think I'll ask her to zip it. I'm sure she can do that (famous last words)... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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.sit files
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Does anyone know a linux app that can uncompress Mac .sit archives? Darned Mac users... ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] ALUG early July @ King's Lynn
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

>So, who else is coming >and what are we looking at this time? Well, I'm up for it. Anyone keen on presenting a round-the-table discussion or a talk? Ricardito -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] samba and win2k
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Ricardo wrote: > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/custom-guide/samba-… > Thanks, Ricardito: Not encryption, no. I've always had the smb config file set to encrypted passwords. It has let me access the share again now...I unmapped the drive, typed in the IP address instead of the name, tried that, unmapped that and went back to the name in the path, and it worked this time. Fishy. I feel it may be something in the win2k end, it worked fine under ME and 98. Mmmm, never mind, someone has just brought me another coffee...... Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] samba and win2k
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.2-Manual/custom-guide/samba-… Ignore the fact it's Redhat... this may help? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Suggestions: newsletter, IRC and name changes?
by Ricardo Campos 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

>If you want to be European, you could try Anglian Linux Und Gnu... ;-) Some of us use *BSD's, some of us may even use GNU/Hurd,some of us even use Megadoohickey 9's, but pretty much all of us use Linux. However, I think most people were attracted to the list because it was a *Linux* user group. I think a name change would be confuzing and detrimental. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't talk about GNU/Hurd, *BSD's, Slowarse, Megadoohickey 10 AND Linux! ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Paul Tansom 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Seem to have done a reply instead of a group reply, so for those interested... ----- Forwarded message from Paul Tansom <paul(a)whaletales.co.uk> ----- Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:53:33 +0100 From: Paul Tansom <paul(a)whaletales.co.uk> To: Ashley <ashley(a)ashleyhowes.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] Debian Install User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <BB868511-8688-11D6-AD7A-000A27B68E6C(a)ashleyhowes.com>; from ashley(a)ashleyhowes.com on Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 10:08:07AM +0100 Yup, Storm went under, but you may well still be able to get a copy (I have one that I may make available when I get my Linux shop on line). There was also Progeny from Ian Murdoch himself, but that has ceased production now - or to be more accurate, it has been merged back into the main Debian development. I think I may have a copy of that too somewhere. As for doing it the hard way, well I'm one of those odd bods that doesn't consider the Debain way hard. I always do a minimal install - never choosing any packages during the install process - and then apt-get whatever I need. Apart from not being a funky graphical installer it lacks nothing IMHO. Most configuration options are easily handled. Of course the hardware config is the tricky bit as you mention, but when you run modconf (or when it is run for you on install) there is little to fear it trying a module. If it doesn't detect a compatible device then in won't be loaded in. Having said that pretty much all my installs are for servers, so they tend not to have complex graphics/sound setups, although my first proper Debian install was onto my Dell laptop which involved switching sources to testing to get XFree 4 to support my graphics card - but then my first proper Linux install involved an immediate kernel recompile to get token ring support for my network card, so I'm used to be awkward!!! On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 10:08:07AM +0100, Ashley typed the following... > On Sunday, June 23, 2002, at 04:58 AM, Syd Hancock wrote: > > > Paul > > > >> Does Debian come with a pretty graphical installer that automatically > >> probes > >> and configures most of the hardware ?? > >> Or does Debian have to be installed the hard way.... > > > > Storm Linux may help. AFAIK it was a debian-based distro and should at > > least get a system up and running even if not everything is working > > first time round e.g. sound card. If not still available I have a copy. > > I think Storm Linux went belly-up, if I remember correctly. The > newgroup has only a handful of postings this year: > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.os.linux.storm > > and http://www.stormix.com/ is unavailable. The only reference I can > find online is Storm Linux 2000, which is 2 years out of date. > > -- > > Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. > http://www.ashleyhowes.com > > "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness" > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > ...and that's all Ashley wrote I'm afraid -- Paul Tansom: - contact paul(a)aptanet.com for more information Internet and Intranet Solutions -- http://www.aptanet.com/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul Tansom: - contact paul(a)aptanet.com for more information Internet and Intranet Solutions -- http://www.aptanet.com/

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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Paul Tansom 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

True enough, nice graphics and less technical information always make the new user happy! The thing that always gets me is the number of times the Linux install is talked about as being too hard for the average Windows user. How many average Windows users have actually installed Windows? My parents have been using Windows since 3.1 on a 386 but never actually installed it - it always comes preinstalled! Your reply seems to answer whay I hadn't seen my post on the list. I have once again done a simple reply and not a group reply! Ho humm... On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:31:53PM +0100, Ashley typed the following... > At 17:53 23/06/02 +0100, you wrote: > >As for doing it the hard way, well I'm one of those odd bods that doesn't > >consider the Debain way hard. I always do a minimal install - never choosing > >any packages during the install process - and then apt-get whatever I need. > > I agree. The debian manuals are actually quite good and very direct. A > new user to Linux will probably require more flowery detail on a topic to > make them feel comfortable. I remember reading about configurating X under > the new version of Debian. The answer was a one line command call :) > > Ashley > > -- > > Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D > http://www.ashleyhowes.com > > "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness" > ...and that's all Ashley wrote I'm afraid -- Paul Tansom: - contact paul(a)aptanet.com for more information Internet and Intranet Solutions -- http://www.aptanet.com/

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samba and win2k
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Hi all, Just as I thought I had the hang of samba (fool!) I got a computer with windows 2000 and the whole authentication thing has gone up in smoke. If I create a mapped drive from the windows to the various samba shares on the linux server, when I log back on next day they refuse to reconnect, windows says "incorrect password or unknown username" and smb log says "rejecting user 'jenny': authentication failed." Now, even if I set a new samba password for jenny on the linux box I get this message. If I try to log in as a different user, the windows box say, oh, no, sorry, "the credentials supplied conflict with a different set of credentials" To make it worse the whole thing seems to be intermittent. And sometimes the mapped drives will reconnect to one of the linux servers but not the other, and the next time it will swap. Has anyone come across problems like this using samba with windows 2000? I'm using samba 2.0.8. Thanks, Jenny.

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #19 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. CD Packs for mailout... Also: fluffy toys. (MJ Ray) 2. Hosting changes (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:55:05 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] CD Packs for mailout... Also: fluffy toys. Hi all, Want your own GNU/Linux CDs but only have a 56k and don't want to spend days downloading the ISO images? Well, I have a few packs of Debian (stable, but still good for servers) and Mandrake (8.2 download and 8.1 anniversary) here all ready to post out to whoever wants them. Send me with your name and address and I'll send them out to you. (People who emailed me last time, your CDs are on their way now!) Fluffy toys: I have a plush Tux with badge about 17cm high here. Best offer price gets it. I'm also seeking somewhere to buy a plush white dove, for AFFS purposes http://www.affs.org.uk/ so if you know where to buy, let me know. Please, contact me via email offlist or message slef at jabber.at when I'm online. Or tell me in #alug on uk.openprojects.net tonight around 8pm. -- MJR --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:18:52 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Hosting changes Hi, Some of you may notice that the server change didn't go quite as smoothly as intended. The contrib section is uneditable for a while, but hopefully that will be fixed shortly (maybe by the time this gets to you). The new hosting is provided by: - DNS and mailing lists: Blackcatnetworks.co.uk (thanks to Jonathan McDowell) - Web site: php4hosting.co.uk (thanks to Darren Casey) I'll update the donors list at next upload. The other sponsors remain: - Domain owner: Martyn Drake (thanks to Martyn Drake) - Web site maintenance: Luminas (thanks to, erm, me) - Mailing list reminders: Neill Newman, neill(a)entora.co.uk Thanks for staying with ALUG... normal service will be resumed... -- MJR --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Syd Hancock 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

>I think Storm Linux went belly-up, if I remember correctly. The newgroup >has only a handful of postings this year: >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.os.linux.storm > >and http://www.stormix.com/ is unavailable. The only reference I can find >online is Storm Linux 2000, which is 2 years out of date. Yes, quite correct, that's why I referred to it in the past tense :-) Still available from linuxemporium, although, as you say, no longer being developed. My understanding is that, once installed, Storm can then be upgraded using the usual debian methods. I believe progeny also uses some type of auto-installer, that could be another avenue for Paul to look at. HTH Syd

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Re: [Alug] Unable to lock password file...
by Steve Fosdick 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:01:10 Simon wrote: > Hi Everyone.... > I'm trying to add users from a perl script, the script writes out > lines of users to add to the system. > Then a system call is made using : > > system("/bin/bash","/tmp/Seabed_Users"); > > In the file Seabed_Users is the following... > > adduser -g 45 -s /bin/false -p FtItmgt8G8RJY -d <directory>/username > username > > When the file is run from the command line as root it works fine, however > from the setuid script it doesn't work I get > > "adduser: unable to lock password file" > > in the error log.. Any ideas My guess is that root efective uid established by having the perl script setuid is not being passed on to the child process that is started by system(). In C I think the workaround is to call: setuid(geteuid()); This sets the real and saved uids to the same as the effective uid so from then on the process looks just like one that was run by root rather than one which is setuid (a setuid process has effectice uid set from the file, by real uid and saved uid come from the invoking user). Hopefully perl will have the equivalent to the C functions above. Steve.

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Debian Install
by Paul 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Hi Folks Does Debian come with a pretty graphical installer that automatically probes and configures most of the hardware ?? Or does Debian have to be installed the hard way.... Regards, Paul.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Perl Arrays....
by Simon 21 Jun '02

21 Jun '02

Hi Everyone... I want to change multiple occurances of a char (! to \n) in a large array, can someone point me in the right direction please.... I'm using Net:Telnet:Cisco and it loads the config into an array, I want to show the running config but the line feeds arn't there, just the "!" indicating a new line.. TIA Simon

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problems with the Alug website and email lists
by Adam Bower 20 Jun '02

20 Jun '02

Hi all, As of the other day Martyn who has so graciously provided alug with space for hosting on his dedicated server had to close it down at very short notice. As such the mailing list and website were rather dead for a while. We now have something sorted out in the interim, the alug webpage is being hosted by Martyn currently on space that he has again donated to us, and the mailing lists are being looked after by Jonathan or Black Cat networks. Anyhow normal service should resume soon...... Adam PS many thanks to the people who are providing (and have provided) the resources for Alug to make these things happen. -- Adam Bower "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Unable to lock password file...
by Simon 18 Jun '02

18 Jun '02

Hi Everyone.... I'm trying to add users from a perl script, the script writes out lines of users to add to the system. Then a system call is made using : system("/bin/bash","/tmp/Seabed_Users"); In the file Seabed_Users is the following... adduser -g 45 -s /bin/false -p FtItmgt8G8RJY -d <directory>/username username When the file is run from the command line as root it works fine, however from the setuid script it doesn't work I get "adduser: unable to lock password file" in the error log.. Any ideas Thanks Simon

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RE: [Alug] Xplanet (a bit off topic)
by Ricardo Campos 18 Jun '02

18 Jun '02

> Any atlas will give you that information in its index. Or is looking in a book > too simple (and old fashioned) a solution? "Books"? There thoes things they have in "librairees", arent they? That's SO twentieth century. lol Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Xplanet (a bit off topic)
by Ricardo Campos 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

At the install day someone (sorry we never actually introduced ourselves) showed off Xplanet with debian developers listed on it... He also showed us a website that gave out long and lats of any town... could he please send me the url? Sorry to bother the list.... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Looking for software...
by Simon 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

Hi everyone, I've been trying to think of a project that I could do, and I've come up with an idea but want to make sure that I'm not reinventing the wheel. I race model RC Nitro powered cars and the software for timing purposes is very expensive and only run's on Windows. Ah-ha, there's a good project in there should it not have already been done.. So, any of you chaps heard or know of such a project ? Simon

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