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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Paul Tansom 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

True enough, nice graphics and less technical information always make the new user happy! The thing that always gets me is the number of times the Linux install is talked about as being too hard for the average Windows user. How many average Windows users have actually installed Windows? My parents have been using Windows since 3.1 on a 386 but never actually installed it - it always comes preinstalled! Your reply seems to answer whay I hadn't seen my post on the list. I have once again done a simple reply and not a group reply! Ho humm... On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 04:31:53PM +0100, Ashley typed the following... > At 17:53 23/06/02 +0100, you wrote: > >As for doing it the hard way, well I'm one of those odd bods that doesn't > >consider the Debain way hard. I always do a minimal install - never choosing > >any packages during the install process - and then apt-get whatever I need. > > I agree. The debian manuals are actually quite good and very direct. A > new user to Linux will probably require more flowery detail on a topic to > make them feel comfortable. I remember reading about configurating X under > the new version of Debian. The answer was a one line command call :) > > Ashley > > -- > > Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D > http://www.ashleyhowes.com > > "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness" > ...and that's all Ashley wrote I'm afraid -- Paul Tansom: - contact paul(a)aptanet.com for more information Internet and Intranet Solutions -- http://www.aptanet.com/

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samba and win2k
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Hi all, Just as I thought I had the hang of samba (fool!) I got a computer with windows 2000 and the whole authentication thing has gone up in smoke. If I create a mapped drive from the windows to the various samba shares on the linux server, when I log back on next day they refuse to reconnect, windows says "incorrect password or unknown username" and smb log says "rejecting user 'jenny': authentication failed." Now, even if I set a new samba password for jenny on the linux box I get this message. If I try to log in as a different user, the windows box say, oh, no, sorry, "the credentials supplied conflict with a different set of credentials" To make it worse the whole thing seems to be intermittent. And sometimes the mapped drives will reconnect to one of the linux servers but not the other, and the next time it will swap. Has anyone come across problems like this using samba with windows 2000? I'm using samba 2.0.8. Thanks, Jenny.

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #19 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 25 Jun '02

25 Jun '02

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. CD Packs for mailout... Also: fluffy toys. (MJ Ray) 2. Hosting changes (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:55:05 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] CD Packs for mailout... Also: fluffy toys. Hi all, Want your own GNU/Linux CDs but only have a 56k and don't want to spend days downloading the ISO images? Well, I have a few packs of Debian (stable, but still good for servers) and Mandrake (8.2 download and 8.1 anniversary) here all ready to post out to whoever wants them. Send me with your name and address and I'll send them out to you. (People who emailed me last time, your CDs are on their way now!) Fluffy toys: I have a plush Tux with badge about 17cm high here. Best offer price gets it. I'm also seeking somewhere to buy a plush white dove, for AFFS purposes http://www.affs.org.uk/ so if you know where to buy, let me know. Please, contact me via email offlist or message slef at jabber.at when I'm online. Or tell me in #alug on uk.openprojects.net tonight around 8pm. -- MJR --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:18:52 +0100 Subject: [Alug Announce] Hosting changes Hi, Some of you may notice that the server change didn't go quite as smoothly as intended. The contrib section is uneditable for a while, but hopefully that will be fixed shortly (maybe by the time this gets to you). The new hosting is provided by: - DNS and mailing lists: Blackcatnetworks.co.uk (thanks to Jonathan McDowell) - Web site: php4hosting.co.uk (thanks to Darren Casey) I'll update the donors list at next upload. The other sponsors remain: - Domain owner: Martyn Drake (thanks to Martyn Drake) - Web site maintenance: Luminas (thanks to, erm, me) - Mailing list reminders: Neill Newman, neill(a)entora.co.uk Thanks for staying with ALUG... normal service will be resumed... -- MJR --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [Alug] Debian Install
by Syd Hancock 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

>I think Storm Linux went belly-up, if I remember correctly. The newgroup >has only a handful of postings this year: >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.os.linux.storm > >and http://www.stormix.com/ is unavailable. The only reference I can find >online is Storm Linux 2000, which is 2 years out of date. Yes, quite correct, that's why I referred to it in the past tense :-) Still available from linuxemporium, although, as you say, no longer being developed. My understanding is that, once installed, Storm can then be upgraded using the usual debian methods. I believe progeny also uses some type of auto-installer, that could be another avenue for Paul to look at. HTH Syd

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Re: [Alug] Unable to lock password file...
by Steve Fosdick 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:01:10 Simon wrote: > Hi Everyone.... > I'm trying to add users from a perl script, the script writes out > lines of users to add to the system. > Then a system call is made using : > > system("/bin/bash","/tmp/Seabed_Users"); > > In the file Seabed_Users is the following... > > adduser -g 45 -s /bin/false -p FtItmgt8G8RJY -d <directory>/username > username > > When the file is run from the command line as root it works fine, however > from the setuid script it doesn't work I get > > "adduser: unable to lock password file" > > in the error log.. Any ideas My guess is that root efective uid established by having the perl script setuid is not being passed on to the child process that is started by system(). In C I think the workaround is to call: setuid(geteuid()); This sets the real and saved uids to the same as the effective uid so from then on the process looks just like one that was run by root rather than one which is setuid (a setuid process has effectice uid set from the file, by real uid and saved uid come from the invoking user). Hopefully perl will have the equivalent to the C functions above. Steve.

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Debian Install
by Paul 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

Hi Folks Does Debian come with a pretty graphical installer that automatically probes and configures most of the hardware ?? Or does Debian have to be installed the hard way.... Regards, Paul.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Jun '02

24 Jun '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Perl Arrays....
by Simon 21 Jun '02

21 Jun '02

Hi Everyone... I want to change multiple occurances of a char (! to \n) in a large array, can someone point me in the right direction please.... I'm using Net:Telnet:Cisco and it loads the config into an array, I want to show the running config but the line feeds arn't there, just the "!" indicating a new line.. TIA Simon

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problems with the Alug website and email lists
by Adam Bower 20 Jun '02

20 Jun '02

Hi all, As of the other day Martyn who has so graciously provided alug with space for hosting on his dedicated server had to close it down at very short notice. As such the mailing list and website were rather dead for a while. We now have something sorted out in the interim, the alug webpage is being hosted by Martyn currently on space that he has again donated to us, and the mailing lists are being looked after by Jonathan or Black Cat networks. Anyhow normal service should resume soon...... Adam PS many thanks to the people who are providing (and have provided) the resources for Alug to make these things happen. -- Adam Bower "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Unable to lock password file...
by Simon 18 Jun '02

18 Jun '02

Hi Everyone.... I'm trying to add users from a perl script, the script writes out lines of users to add to the system. Then a system call is made using : system("/bin/bash","/tmp/Seabed_Users"); In the file Seabed_Users is the following... adduser -g 45 -s /bin/false -p FtItmgt8G8RJY -d <directory>/username username When the file is run from the command line as root it works fine, however from the setuid script it doesn't work I get "adduser: unable to lock password file" in the error log.. Any ideas Thanks Simon

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RE: [Alug] Xplanet (a bit off topic)
by Ricardo Campos 18 Jun '02

18 Jun '02

> Any atlas will give you that information in its index. Or is looking in a book > too simple (and old fashioned) a solution? "Books"? There thoes things they have in "librairees", arent they? That's SO twentieth century. lol Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Xplanet (a bit off topic)
by Ricardo Campos 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

At the install day someone (sorry we never actually introduced ourselves) showed off Xplanet with debian developers listed on it... He also showed us a website that gave out long and lats of any town... could he please send me the url? Sorry to bother the list.... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Looking for software...
by Simon 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

Hi everyone, I've been trying to think of a project that I could do, and I've come up with an idea but want to make sure that I'm not reinventing the wheel. I race model RC Nitro powered cars and the software for timing purposes is very expensive and only run's on Windows. Ah-ha, there's a good project in there should it not have already been done.. So, any of you chaps heard or know of such a project ? Simon

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

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Re: [Alug] Xplanet (a bit off topic)
by Ricardo Campos 14 Jun '02

14 Jun '02

> > http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getamap/ > > You might also like to try http:///www.heavens-above.com Many thanks to all... now if anyone knows how to turn the lattitude 52.628 to the 52.(direction).628 notation, please e-mail me off-list ;)... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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So, what died?
by Richard George 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My PC is currently a very sick penguin; I think that the HDD has died, but I also have my suspicions that it could be the IDE interface. Short of swapping drives (as I don't have a spare), can anyone hazard a guess as to how I work this out, or if it could be something else entirely? Errors include (from memory) {hdb: drive not ready error} Typing 'ls' returns a set of io errors, one naming each file in the directory. Typing 'clear' (or mount, etc) returns 'command not found' Shutting down gives me a console that repeats 'ext3 journal aborting' ad infinitum. Eventually I just powered it off. TIA for any help, Richard - -- http://www.fromtheshadows.com/ Fingerprint: 542C ADA9 47CE 7AA8 2274 PGP Key http://www.fromtheshadows.com/gpg 496A FC43 312C 3D94 2CC8 The less you know about something, the easier it is to hate and fear it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CGCM/EMxLD2ULMgRAvQOAJ0dz7Xtvn3b+VPSWB2Bt3s3dPOcvQCeJpj7 azvEsglkX1pzn6CP2228avE= =MR+A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Alug] Debian security
by Ricardo Campos 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> stable is *old*. It's missing pretty much every bug introduced > anywhere in about the last two years, a luxury that any more recent > distribution doesn't have. Like:- http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25608.html ;-) > (Of course, it's also missing most features introduced in anything > during the last two years.) Which is why I run testing. stable would be fine for servers, but I like using my home computer to the best of it's abilities. > If you're not running stable - well, security.d.o doesn't have updates > for testing and unstable. Well, surely *someone's* scrutinising the security of the new packages? And Woody was set to be frozen in May... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] retry: So what died?
by Ricardo Campos 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

> Shutting down gives me a console that repeats 'ext3 journal aborting' ad > infinitum. Eventually I just powered it off. I assume dmesg and /var/log/messages provide no clues? Can you turn off journalling? Perhaps you could try booting from a rescue floppy/CD and mount the drive and see if you get the errors still. *realises that someday it will probably happen to him* -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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retry: So what died?
by Richard George 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If I can persuade pine to send this from the right account, this time... (and apologies to the moderator) My PC is currently a very sick penguin; I think that the HDD has died, but I also have my suspicions that it could be the IDE interface. Short of swapping drives (as I don't have a spare), can anyone hazard a guess as to how I work this out, or if it could be something else entirely? Errors include (from memory) {hdb: drive not ready error} Typing 'ls' returns a set of io errors, one naming each file in the directory. Typing 'clear' (or mount, etc) returns 'command not found' Shutting down gives me a console that repeats 'ext3 journal aborting' ad infinitum. Eventually I just powered it off. TIA for any help, Richard - -- http://www.fromtheshadows.com/ Fingerprint: 542C ADA9 47CE 7AA8 2274 PGP Key http://www.fromtheshadows.com/gpg 496A FC43 312C 3D94 2CC8 A friend is someone who knows how to distract a runaway brain - Millie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9CGKJ/EMxLD2ULMgRAlcwAJ9MmM6+cdYIsgsKW3CEfkUniKypYACfSqEl 5s1MDt/dYUZLihEdWOQ7OgY= =28A5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Debian security
by Ricardo Campos 13 Jun '02

13 Jun '02

I just had a thought- I still get updates from Redhat about vulnerablilities on their system- often 2 or 3 a week. And I was wondering- how come I don't keep having updates for Debian? I have security.debian.org in my sources.list, but apt-get upgrades rarely downloads anything. Surely more vulnerabilities exist? Am I missing something? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RIP Act
by Ricardo Campos 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Sorry about this, but this is an issue regarding all IT professionals, all users of encryption and in fact all people in our country. Please read the article and forward this message to anyone who might be interested. >http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/11/156240&mode=thread&tid=158 > This comment http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=34017&cid=3679592 has > the necessary links for you to do your bit... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Xearth prog
by Paul 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Hi Folks Saw a neat world map running on a laptop that could plot user defined points and lines on it. Where can I get the source code for it ?? Regards, Paul.

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Tar - Argument list too long
by Ashley 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

I have a CD with a number of files on. I am trying to extract a list for files with a certain extension and then copy them to another location with the directory structure intact. To do this I choose tar and find: cd /mnt/cdrom tar -cf ~ash/test.tar `find . -name "*.dwg" -print` This would create a tarball, which I could copy, and expand into a new location. However, on running the command the following error is returned: "/bin/tar Argument list too long" There are probably around 4000 files on the CD with a .dwg extension. How can I get around this problem? Is there a better solution to what I am trying to achieve? -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D http://www.ashleyhowes.com "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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re:lower spec linux
by tom potts 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

I've got a Suse 5.2 that I've succesfully loaded on 386 with 4 meg ram! I've also got a RH4.2 but havent tried that but I believe once you've installed that and set up a large enough swap you can then put 7.2 on as an upgrade If its looking at the outside world check it with Saint/Satan though (see other mail in 11/06 listing) Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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mySQL Update problem....
by Simon 11 Jun '02

11 Jun '02

Hi everyone... I'm trying to update a few columns on one row using an sql statement, but I don't seem to have the correct syntax... I'm using :- $dbh->do("update <tablename> set <column1> = <new-value1> <column2> = <new-value2> where <column3> = <value3>"); This doesn't work... however if update only one column it does, so I figure I must be missing something. I've looked through the docs and can only find update examples with one column to be updated. Please help!!!!!! Simon

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