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Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

I meant to post this to the list (which I have now done) but I think that I sent to Mark's address by mistake. MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I have the recollection that there are modules not obviously related > to > iptables that are required. They are not built automatically > because the > configuration system can't cope with it. Here are relevant options > on this > box. Anything not mentioned is not set or really irrelevant. See > how yours > differ: I religiously set my options to match your list but still got the same unresolved symbols list. So I thought I'd start from scratch. I deleted the kernel source code directory and re-unpacked the source code. Reloaded my saved configuration and re-compiled. Now I'm even more mystified. I get an even longer list which includes some network drivers( 3c59x) which appeared to be ok before: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/8390.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/pcnet_cs.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_async.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_MASQUERADE.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/netfilter/ip6_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/netfilter/ip6table_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/netlink/netlink_dev.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/sunrpc/sunrpc.o I can't help feeling that I'm doing (not doing) something very obvious. I have compiled kernels many times in the past and have never had any trouble that wasn't of my own making.

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by MJ Ray 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Ricardo suggested: > Anyone got one of those SUSE live evaluation CD's? I've never used one, > but the concept of playing around in a Linux distro purely off a CD > (without having to play with your HD) makes trying it out a lot easier. Actually, a CD with one of the live Linux demo systems on, a copy of something like zipslack for the Windows/DOS users and copies of network install images for Debian and any others is probably a very good idea for the Install Day. I expect other LUGs participating would like to use such a thing. I'm more than happy to do the artwork and documentation, so who can compile the CD image? Shall we talk about this on IRC on Monday? I expect I can arrange distribution too if required, but hopefully it won't be a full 650Mb (reduce download and burn times... let's not fill the disc with crap just to make up the numbers, but having (for example) key starter docs from the LDP on there is probably a good idea). -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> Is Zipslack any good for a starter? It may be that we can do one bootable CD with three or more distributions on. Evil, huh? ;-) I tried Zipslack and Phatlinux before any other- the only real bonus is that you don't have to get confused with partitions etc. I didn't really find them more accessable than a normal distro that sets X up for you (or helps you along!). You need to have the documentation handy too-it's probably harder for us to print that out than it is to do CD's. I think one thing that puts newbies off is: I've got this command line- now what? Anyone got one of those SUSE live evaluation CD's? I've never used one, but the concept of playing around in a Linux distro purely off a CD (without having to play with your HD) makes trying it out a lot easier. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> From the clean source code tree I did: > > make dep > make bzImage > make modules > make modules_install OK, Ricardo stating the obvious again. I know you said the source code tree is clean, but did you try to make clean or (possibly a better idea) make mrproper at any point? Worth a go, I guess, just incase you had stuff hanging about from previous comps. > bang head against wall > bang head against wall again I know that feeling too well! The only other thing I'm thinking of is maybe your compiler is fscked? Are you using gcc 2.95, or a later one? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> > We'd prefer to only send out fairly large quantities, of say 100, but > > we'd consider lots of 25 as well. If you're interested then let me know. -SNIP- > Perhaps this may be of some interest for the `Install fest Day' provided > someone can install them, Pity they're on DVD, as the box I have reserved for *BSD and Debian only has an old CD-Rom drive :( I see no reason why someone shouldn't install a *BSD at the install fests, but the focus should really be *GNU*/Linux. As a related point, I suspect if people turn up, some may not bring their computers (they *are* a pain to lug around), so maybe we could have some install discs on offer? Plenty of us could put the first CD of (insert distro's name here) on a CD-R, and there's plenty of Debians CD's bandying about. Perhaps we could do a 3 disc pack for a small fee- like 1 Debian, 1 Redhat, 1 Slackware, just so that we present an offer of several distros so people can try them out. (I'm all for choice rather than forcing 1 distro on a newbie) I know Martyn had some on offer for cheap a while back (in rather spiffy cases, might I add). Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: FreeBSD
by John Seago 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

With regard to the above which was refered to in thursday's main digest, the following was posted in the Freebsd-users digest, of todays date: > Message: 1 > Subject: FreeBSD 4.4 DVDs available to a good home > From: Paul Richards <paul(a)freebsd-services.com> > To: freebsd-users(a)uk.freebsd.org > Date: 05 Apr 2002 11:54:23 +0200 > We've got several hundred copies of 4.4 left that we'd like to give away > to help promote FreeBSD. > Some ideas we've had are to give them out at computer societies in > colleges or other user groups but we're open to any other sensible > suggestions. > We'd prefer to only send out fairly large quantities, of say 100, but > we'd consider lots of 25 as well. If you're interested then let me know. > Paul. Perhaps this may be of some interest for the `Install fest Day' provided someone can install them, I've found it most perplexing as a) I never bothered to learn how to partition, and, b) one is offered such a huge choice that decision making becomes a bewildering maze. John Seago

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Perhaps my subject should have been 'kernel compile problem'
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Having upgraded my Debian system to 'Testing' I am trying to move to kernel 2.4.18 but before I do that I need to get an iptables firewall set up. With my original 2.2.20 kernel I had used PMFirewall to set up my firewall. Answer a few simple questions and Bingo - one firewall and a perfectly servicable one too. I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod is run: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_mangle.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o I have never had unresolved symbols after compiling a kernel until now. Apart from that the kernel seems to work perfectly well. Barry Samuels

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Re[3]: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

"Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> wrote: > >What I meant was I had set the relevant > > configuration options as modules. > > > > Barry Samuels > > Do the other modules generated during kernel compilation work? It's > just that the error message refers to the modules themselves. Did > you remember to > > make modules > AND > make modules_install > ? > > Sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious, but it's the obvious things > that are the easiest to miss! Other than that, I'll leave it to our > more experienced ALUG'ers! > > Ricardo All modules, apart from the ones related to iptables, work properly. Yes I did make modules and install them. I have compiled kernels many times. Never had this before. Thanks for trying. Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP (errata!)
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

My last info was a little incorrect. My /etc/ppp/options file reads: mtu 576 mru 512 lock Since the MRU needs to be less than the MTU. (essentially MTU- header size). Actually, I have noticed that I connect quicker as well as view pages quicker. If you remember seeing those dreadful adverts for windoze users saying "speed up your modem", this is essentially what those programs do. They also usually nag you with popups as well, though! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: Meetings, was Re: [Alug] (no subject)
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

>We need to get started on this now, and then we can >use the (hopeful) Lynn >meeting to plan it further. Well, as soon as we get a confirmation on the exact date, time and location of the UEA one, I am more than willing to run around the computer shops in Norwich city centre with posters for it. Of course, that doesn't mean they'll AGREE to putting them up, but it's worth a go. I can always use the colour laser printers at work for the posters. ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

> > Is there any way to change the default MTU in Linux -SNIP- In response to my own question (for the archives, you see), I edited the /etc/ppp/options file, adding the lines mtu 576 #this is for outgoing connections mru 576 #this is for incoming connections (actually, I didn't add the comments). I used ping to work out the appropriate numbers. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

> I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my > kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod > is run: > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o If they are included, then you shouldn't need to load modules? The script is likely calling for modules, if iptables was compiled in, these modules won't exist. (i.e. may have to modify the script) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Having upgraded my Debian system to 'Testing' I am trying to move to kernel 2.4.18 but before I do that I need to get an iptables firewall set up. With my original 2.2.20 kernel I had used PMFirewall to set up my firewall. Answer a few simple questions and Bingo - one firewall and a perfectly servicable one too. I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod is run: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_mangle.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o What have I forgotten? Barry Samuels P.S. If any of you are thinking of entering the 'Firewall Duffer of the year' competition then forget it. I shall win hands down.

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Re: Meetings, was Re: [Alug] (no subject)
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

>I think two sites on one day is too much. Why not take advantage of the >May/June split and have ALUG do both dates, one in each venue? I think so too. We *REALLY* need to advertise- but where? In computer shops maybe? Get some posters designed? >April - try to get a King's Lynn venue, probably tomorrow. Fine by me, depending on the date. >May 19th - Syleham (BJ, did you book it already?) Linux Install Day I might be able to make it, although I have exams the week after (and will have been on hols the week before) >June 9th - UEA Norwich (need someone to book this) Linux Install Day I will certainly turn up! >July } { One of these a BBQ, maybe at Syleham? Yay! BBQ! >Aug. } { One of these a normal meeting, maybe at Elmswell? Yay! ANOTHER BBQ!!! >Start screaming now, AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! :) (someone had to do it) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

> I've not seen it implemented as a daemon, generally it's implemented > in the kernel as Path MTU discovery. I suspected it would be in the kernel- the discovery method working on ever dial-up connection made would get a little irritating, since it would slow things down initially (as it tested the network path) What is advmss? > But there are unfortunately many networks that don't play nice > with this. Interesting. An example, and why? Sorry, I'm in ultra-inquisitive mode. Ricardo PS. Anyone fancy GIVING me £3000 so I can go back to university? Anyone? Anyone? oh. Oh well! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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New Member Info
by Darren Casey 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Hi Been lurking for a while now on an old e-mail address but figured it was time to actually come forward and say hello. My names Darren, I live in Essex, 27. I own a medium sized web hosting company, with servers in the US all running Slackware 8, usual stuff PHP/MySQL/Perl/Apache/Sendmail or Qmail PGSQL etc.. We also have servers running Redhat on another network, these are Leased. The other ones are our own equipment, i.e. we are not a reseller as so many "hosting companies are" Just ordered a Rack in Redbus Docklands which should be live by the end of the month. The version of Slackware we use is highly customised, I have found this distro to be great as a server rather then a desktop OS. Everything about the way it boots to the way we run MySQL is "different" which is nice but can also be a nightmare sometime :) I just order SuSE to give that a go as a office desktop OS, tried Deb but didn't really get on with it. I love Linux, not even close to understanding everything about it but I can handle everytning I ever need to do with it. I have a guy that writes PureFTPD working for me on a part time basis and he knows more then I could ever hope to know. His also a hardcore programmer, his working with the PHP Dev team atm for upgrades to the new version etc.. Nice guy to have on board. Here to mix with a few like minded people and learn a thing or two. Regards Darren

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(no subject)
by Linux Newbie 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Hi Does any one know the date for the next meeting at the Uea,>? are the meetings free or not ? and how long do they last for, 1 hour 2 hours etc linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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by David Freeman 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Well finally after over 7 months of waiting, I finally managed to persuade a parental unit to drive me to the wonderful village of Burwell to Collect my Vaxen from Jenny. After an hours playing with her windows box to get it to log on (failed) I finally departed with two Vaxen and 5 wine bottle thingys. And in Traditional style: two Vaxes : 15 ukp ea. petrol to collect them: 10 ukp Look on my dads face when he saw the size of it: Priceless Thank you Jenny. D

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MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Is there any way to change the default MTU in Linux dynamically? (OK, I know that there *is*, I just can't work out how). Specifically, is the change system wide, or could I change it on a per interface basis? I guess I could use ifconfig for eth0, but I am unsure as to where it is set for ppp0. e.g. ppp0 (MTU=<1000) and eth0 (MTU=1000) Is there any kind of mtu learning daemon for interfaces? (i.e. MTU actually being worked out by testing fragmentation of packets on the network) Ricardo, being inquisitive ;) _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

In reply to asking about changing MTU's, adam wrote:- > Oh stupid me forgot to mention that you can also set it as an option in > pppd the same way as you would using ifconfig. Yes, looks like the suitable option. I just noticed that an an MTU of about 500 produces a significant change in 'speed' over a dial-up (POTS). I didn't think it would make a great difference, but it does, esp. for loading graphics on a webpage. Utterly useless for ADSL, leased/ISDN or cable modems, but then I don't have them. thanks, off to fiddle with my ppp settings! Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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OxLUG selinux talk 7th April
by James - (jtl1-BF) 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

selinux talk at OxLUG - Russell Coker AFAIK this talk at OxLUG on Sunday is still on (selinux list message appended below.) A few other posters on CLUG have mentioned selinux recently. I'm certainly up for it; but have no transport at the moment. If anyone else from CLUG or ALUG would be interested in a lift and cost sharing journey - please contact me and express interest in this thread. If there is sufficient interest, I'll contact Russell Coker for more information, as he suggested. Anyone else ahead of me on this one, please email me off list! TIA --James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: talks about SE Linux Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:16:59 +0100 From: Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> Reply-To: Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> To: SE Linux <selinux(a)tycho.nsa.gov> Peter suggested that I should inform everyone about the talks on SE Linux I'm giving in the near future. So here's my current plans: On Sunday the 7th of April I am giving a presentation on SE Linux for OxLug (the Oxford LUG). It's an open invite, contact me off-list if you are interested in attending and I'll get you the details. Then I'm doing a presentation at OLS http://www.linuxsymposium.org/ , and after that I'll probably offer a talk for the Debian Conference 2 in Toronto (early July). I imagine that the DebConf people won't reject a talk from me on this topic. Also I have nothing planned between OLS and Debconf, so I could probably do a local LUG in the mean time. Also at OLS I would like to arrange a BOF on advanced security (where we can discuss SE Linux, GR Security, OpenWall, LIDS, and anything else that seems appropriate). This will be entirely separate from the LSM BOF. Another thing I was thinking of was an install-fest for these things. The topics of my talks will be SE Linux in general and on Debianizing it in particular (with discussion on general packaging issues that also apply to RPM or other packaging systems). Also I will discuss other related issues such as finding bugs in programs through SE Linux (which is actually a very trivial thing but gets people's attention). The balance of the various items I talk about will depend on what I expect the audience wants, and can change during the talk in response to questions (I prefer a very interactive format for my presentations). I've agreed in concept to give a talk for the Nederlandse Linux Gebruikers Groep http://www.nllgg.nl/ , but have not been able to arrange a date yet because of my schedule and their schedule not matching well. I'll also offer talks to any other groups that meet in the center of the Netherlands (where I live), and I'll consider other European countries. I'll be in Australia in May to get married, due to this and the talks I have got planned already I can't arrange anything else before the August. The only possible exception is something in Canada the week after OLS which doesn't involve incurring any expenses for me. At the moment I can't arrange anything in August or later because it's too far ahead and I'm organizing too many other things at the moment and can't deal with that too. Please contact me off-list if you want to discuss any of these issues other than BOFs. Russell Coker

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Re: [Alug] *BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

> Old hat now that the Mega-Doohickey is now at version 10.5 and is due to > reach the milestone of an ear shatering version 11 (see "This is Spinal Tap" > the movie). :-) Well, I ordered a Mega-Doohickey 10.5" and got a 10.5 *mm*, which is very embarrassing when you have it down your trousers and you set off the metal detector at airports! ;) I understand that the Mega-Doohickey 10.5' comes with some free elves to dance round it. (I'm one of the greatest fans of Spinal Tap) <cough> And of course I'll write it up for the ALUG site-I'll be able to compare the install process with debians as I am dual-booting that machine. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] *BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

> Erm, they are both cheap, as in you can get them for free. downloading > OpenBSD is easy as i think it is about 100Megs and I am not so sure for > FreeBSD. If you want a copy of OpenBSD and can't afford the modem time I > am sure I could grab a copy and burn it to CD-R for you, I should most > likely be able to do that for FreeBSD also. I understand that the .iso of OpenBSD is copyrighted, so that they can at least make *some* money. Actually, I did spend ALL of last week downloading an old copy - 2.8, which is a wopping 618 MB. But the jump from 2.8 to 3.0 appears to be a significant one. I must say this, though. I have *no qualms* about paying for CD's from the source company/org when I am able. It's kinda like a selfish donation "Here have the money, and I'll take a boxed set thanks". I guess that many free software projects are low on money for FTP bandwidth and stuff. >On the end user > perspective it will appear to be much the same as Linux (you may never > notice the differences) but from a sys-admin point of view things are > radically different Seeing as I'm a sys admin, I guess that's the pqart I'll get stuck into! > You will most likely find it a bit trickier to setup than linux, but then > YMMV. AESA=ALUG is an endless source of acronyms! ;) I had anticipated that, and to throw more spice into the tumult of confusion, my test box will be a 2 course meal of Debian and ?BSD! > Erm this isn't offtopic, look at the Faq ;) so this can stay on list, Oh, but I'm running it *on* a Mega-Doohickey 9! ;) (see FAQ) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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*BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

Ok, a bit off topic, but I'm thinking of installing a *BSD (currently thinking of FreeBSD 4.5 which is cheap, or OpenBSD 3.0 which is more pricey). I'm wondering just HOW different I'll find it to linux, and I'm not too sure about which to get. Any hints, tips, suggestions, hideously biased opinions :-P, etc. offlist would be appreciated (or on list if it's Linux related enough). Again, sorry for being a little offtopic. TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Fw: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

FORWARDED to ALUG:- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:28:40 +0100 To: corez23(a)linuxmail.org Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > > well guess im going to work on one problem at the time, > if i can get my modem online then ill be able to get in to the chat on IRc > or something like that ,then get online help which might be more easyier, > > Could you help me get online with linux please.? > > > i have tryed the dail up wizard and i have to pick on of the following > > /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS2 > /dev/ttyS3 > > i have tryed all of them , 1 of them says it cant institle the modem and the > other just gives me that error stright away when one of them tryed to dail > it but guess i have to install the modem drivers > > i got the modem drivers from the company who made my modem etc > > How would i install then? > > i have files > > tornado_vfm560prs.tar > > > so im guess tar is like winzip or something like that , > if i unpack them in windows then save them to cd would it make much > difference`s > > if i unpack the files in windows i get > > tornado_vfm560prs > > im not sure about install the drivers ,i dont know how? > any help would be Great.! > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> > >To: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > >Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:23:29 +0000 > > > > > so do u know when the next meeting is and are they free > > > etc? > > > i went to the alug meeting site but they out of date etc it sys join the > > > mail list to know the times etc? > > > so are you Near the Uea then? > > > > > > Where abouts are you if u dont mind me asking,>? > > > > > > >They are free, unless the venue costs money to hire. I've never paid > >anything. I forgot that the venue for the next meeting burnt down, so I > >think we're still yet to organise a replacement venue! I used to live on > >Dereham rd, now I live in spixworth. > > > > > so why is the norton appz not needed in Linux and can i get cd burning > > > software free for linux like download etc or do i have to buy it? > > > > > >If you look under the menu for multimedia- you may have XCDRoast or > >Gnometoaster, there may be a KDE specific one also (KreateCD or KonCD). > >They are free, and are likely to be included in your install (mine were). > >All of these apps are FREE. I have NEVER paid anything for any linux > >application, nor do I intend to (the only reason you *might* is to run an > >enterprise-style server with 1000's of users!) > > > >Here's a good list for applications: > >http://www.linux.org/apps/index.html > >http://apps.kde.org > > > >At present, Linux doesn't require any anti-virus software, since there are > >only 2 I know of (and are virtually impossible to catch). Linux also > >includes a firewall, which you would have set up during installation. > >Linux's file system does not fragment and slow down like Windows-it's far > >more intelligent. You may have chose ext3 as your filesystem - this > >automatically checks the data so it doesn't need to do a scandisk as soon > >as it comes up after a powercut etc. In the event of emergencies like that, > >it will automatically run a program called fsck (like scandisk) that > >repairs any damage. > > > >Basically, the stuff you paid money for in Windows is either free or not > >needed because Linux is more robust and smart! ;) On the downside, it often > >requires more setup, however, this can be seen as a pluspoint-you get to > >learn about how your computer actually works. > > > >Personally, I don't think Linux is quite ready for mass home use (as you do > >have to learn a bit about your computer), but perfect for servers and > >office use (since someone else would be setting it up). However, things are > >changing and the linux of today is miles easier than the linux of a year > >ago- and it will only get better! > > > >Ricardo > >-- > > > >Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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