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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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9" B&W Monitors
by John Seago 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Does anyone know of a source for 9" Black and White Monitors, (as used on Tills)? John Seago

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Can anyone help with a KDE2/Debian 'Testing' error ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I have recently upgraded my Debian Potato system to 'Testing' and, as that includes KDE2, KDE1 has been upgraded to KDE2 (2.2.2-14). In trying to run some applications (only a few) I get the following message: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.3: undefined symbol: styleChange__8QTool It's always the same message with the same symbol. Does anyone know why this should happen? Barry Samuels

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New Member Info
by Leonard Chandler 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I am a long retired person and began delving into computers in 1979 with a Tandy TSR1 - I then lived in Australia and wrote a programme in Basic to do the accounts for a garage I was running there. I used LDOS which was far superior to MSDOS 2.11 that I had to switch to when I bought an Apricot. I am not mad keen on either the ethics or practice of Mr Gates (nor that of Murdoch either) but I am aware that my efforts against them will make little difference. My first purchase of Linux was some 6 years ago (SuSE), the the second about 3 (Definite) and the third 2 months ago - SuSE again and, unlike those previous conversion efforts, I intend to make it this time. This email comes to you via the "auld enemy" because I have problems, but they will be overcome! I realize that for a while I might have to put up with using both systems, but I like the idea of choice, and not being dominated by the practices of one man. Kind Regards Leonard Chandler

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newbie question - getting the latest PHP 4 and MySQL for Suse 7.1
by David Eisenhart 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

I'm having problems figuring out how to get hold of suitable packages of the latest PHP and MySQL for Suse (7.1) Can't see anything obvious on the Suse site. If I simply go the PHP and MySQL sites for the downloads I figure this may mess up the Suse configurations for these applications, upset it's YAST package manager and generally blow up in my face (?) ...... On a different but related note I see a lot of stuff (such as RPMs, tutorials) that directly relates to Red Hat. Consequently, as a total novice I wondering whether I would be better off moving over to Red Hat ...ok, Suse was painless to install but I'm feeling somewhat paralysed now by not wanting to (at this stage at least) install from non-packaged sources. Regards, David

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Re: [Alug] new kernel install
by Ricardo Campos 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

You may find it useful to save a copy of the outputs of dmesg and lsmod before you install the new kernel- useful in choosing modules, etc. during the actual install, and useful for troubleshooting afterwards. Go ahead- it's not that scary! (hell, *I* managed it!) You can always switch back if things go awry! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Linux in the community
by Ricardo Campos 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Just saw a site that uses Linux to provide network functionality to a community based web server/ desktops etc. they also use hardware from skips and donations... http://access.lowtech.org/ I found their candid tech support notes interesting, in the sense of the problems found in using linux as a desktop OS on a LAN:- http://access.lowtech.org/tech/update/index.html Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Xv
by Ricardo Campos 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

> Try mplayer (www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/). It allows you to pipe frames to a > file. I managed to get a set of screenshots out of a DivX movie with it. I tried it before- I didn't really like it all that much, I forget the reason why. It's no matter, I just wanted to include a DVD playing on a screenshot as a sort of "this is what Linux can do" propoganda exercise to some friends! ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Xv
by Ricardo Campos 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Old thread: I asked whether it was possible to take a screenshot of a DVD using Ogle, and Xv, as most screenshot grabbers come up with a blue screen where the dvd display is:- > Yup, use import: > > /usr/bin/import -silent -display :0.0 -window root file.jpg > Import is part of imagemagick, Just checked, and that comes up with a blue screen too. :( -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Meeting of the 24th March
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

On 24-Mar-02 John Seago wrote: > Where was everybody? I was at home impatiently waiting for my spouse to return from his bike ride so I could make the meeting, but by the time he did get back it was too late. Anyway, domestic sparks flew...... Apologies, Rob, and please don't be put off hosting another. It must have been just one of those days. Jenny. PS. I've left him picking up kids and cooking by way of reparation tonight so I can go to Richard Stallman, will anyone else be there?

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LISP/SCHEME?
by david casal 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

Hello all, Anyone know of a painless way to do LISP to SCHEME translation? Going through an old ai textbook (95...) where all code is LISP. I realise I could do it manually, but since I know there's at least one heavy schemer in ALUG (won't name mark, I mean names...), I thought there might be an emacs trick or something like that. Bear in mind newbie understanding of macros and issues involved, etc. Ideas? Cheers, DC david casal --0+ --- d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk --9+ --- www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal --)+

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New Scientist Article
by Ian Bell 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

I was browsing in Safeways this morning when I came across an intersting article in New Scientist. It was about how the idea of Open Source software has started to spill over into other areas of commerce. An example given was Open Coke, a new brand of Cola for which the recipe is published under a licence similar the GPL. It also mentioned the OAL (Open Audio Licence) which is attempting to do something similar in the world of music. Ian

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Meeting of the 24th March
by John Seago 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

Where was everybody? I was there, John Atkinsonwas there, Two people from Bury St. Edmunds were there, (Iapologise for not having made a note of your names), and the host was there, (even Alison came after she had walked the dog). The venue was ideal, all the infrastructure to support everybodies toys, and yet the multitudes stayed away! -- John Seago () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

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Re: [Alug] intro..ing myself
by Matt Parker 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

On Sunday 24 March 2002 21:33, you wrote: > > Oh yeah, welcome aboard - even though I only joined the list last week. > > > > Matt > > cheers! When people say something might be difficult I usually don't try > unless absolutely necessary.Maybe I'll get one of those external modems > when I've got the dosh.I had a thought tho; I could download the things I > need on the this machine which > obviously does have a modem and transfer it to my box with Redmond on :) > I don't know what counts as on topic for this list but I guess I'll be told > if I'm too off.What I'd like to know is if there are any free IDE's for C > programming with Linux and secondly whether there's any good art progs > (especially ones where you get good control of palettes when in 8 bit > colour). > If I can get those (which I know is a fairly tall order) and DJGPP working > I'll be a happy linux user :) > thanks again and BTW, it's nice to be on a local list.Maybe I'll meet some > of you one day :) > Will The Gimp (http://www.gimp.org) is free, compatible with Photoshop, and is powerful enough for professional use. For free programming IDEs there are loads - these are what I use:- C/C++ - KDevelop (http://www.kdevelop.org) Java - NetBeans (http://www.netbeans.org) Delphi - Kylix (http://www.borland.com/kylix) There are loads more too. You'll soon get out of that Windows mindset where decent software costs more than �500. Also please hit "reply all" to include the mailing list, or just reply to the list. Your last e-mail to me didn't make it to the list when I'm sure it was meant to. Matt

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intro..ing myself
by William labbett 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

hello all I got a mail saying that I should write a mail saying why I'm interested in linux so here goes; I'm from Norwich, called William and am interested in linux because I use my computer a lot and so am keen to know about what OS' are out there.I use my computer for writing games, although I only started programming and using PC computer's since just before the new year (my last computer before this was a spectrum 128K, so obviously I'm having to learn a lot of new stuff). I found a linux mag with a free cd with Redmond on so I installed it.I won't be using this list much for some time until I've learnt a bit about Redmond.The trouble is I wasn't sure which modem option to choose during installation so I chose none, so I'm wondering if I can still install the modem now or if I'll need to re-install Redmond.The modem is Intel 56K HaM Data Fax Voice Modem I don't know what any of that means; I found out about it by checking (Windows was previously installed on the box it's in).If I can sort that out I be able to get the software I need and get started. Thanks for any help and sorry for asking such basic questions, Will

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Tomorrows's meeting
by John Woodard 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Somethings come up which means I won't be able to come tomorrow. So have a good meeting and I'll catch youi all at the next one. -- Cheers, BJ

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Converting to ext3
by David Fairey 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Hi I have recently been successful in upgrading my server to Debian unstable and converting some of my ext2 filesystems to ext3. However I haven't converted my "/" or "/boot" partitions as I am unsure that I can reboot successfully. My question then is, what's the best way of converting the "/" partition to ext3? Making sure I can get back in if it doesn't work. I am currently using the standard kernel-image-2.4.17-686-smp package which apparently uses a initrd.img file. Any ideas? Cheers David. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/2002

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(no subject)
by Declan 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Hi, I know that this is a bit off topic for the list but I am hoping that you might be able to help me. I have set up a hosting company to do a bit of PHP and MySQL hosting. At the moment I am using worldpay to bill annually but I would like to be able to offer monthly billing. Other than iBill would anyone have any suggestions. I would appreciate if you could reply off list as well as on. I don't get the all the messages because it just takes so long to get them in. I would really appreciate any recomendations that anyone has. And if anyone is interested in swopping links then I would appreciate it. Thanks for your help in advance. Declan *********************************************** ** http://www.hostingcrown.com ** ** Budget and MySQL Hosting ** ** Contact us at info(a)hostingcrown.com ** *********************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

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Future metings at Cheveley cancelled...
by Simon 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Hi Everyone, In case you haven't see the news today, Fittocks House burnt down last night, so obviously we won't be able to use this venue for some time.... Simon P.S. It'll be on Anglia News tonight...

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Re: (Now OT) [Alug] Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by Matt Parker 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

On Thursday 21 March 2002 19:51, you wrote: > Does anybody have any ideas? > > my box is a celeron 433, using a uhci USB chipset erm no other real > pertinent details, kernel 2.4.18 and Debian testing. > > Thanks > Adam > > "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret > something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done" Sorry, can't help with your problem. But I love your sig. My usenet nick is Cowboy Bob so I guess you know why I picked up on it. Regards, Matt

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Re: [Alug] Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by MJ Ray 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Adam: > The best I have got is 50% reply to pings from the ppp partner now, but no > outside connectivity. What I may need is different firmware though, there > appears to be at least 6 versions of which i have 2. That's very similar to the wrong HCI drivers problem I had on the other machine here. > AFAICS the ohci drivers should not work but i may give it a go in a while, > just we need the line up by this evening... so I may have to resort to > windows and proxy... There are two UHCI driver modules in the main kernel. -- MJR

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Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by Adam Bower 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Hi all, I'm having a complete nightmare with this modem, I have grabbed the drivers from sourceforge, (both CVS and stable) followed the FAQ and built a 2.4.18 kernel with all the required option and still can't get the thing to work! I have visited the #speedtouch irc channel and found no-one willing to help and I'm getting to the stage of considering installing windows over all of the linux boxen around here! Anyhow the main problem stems from trying to run modem_run -v 2 -m -f mgmt.o (also tried with the -s option) and i can't get it to upload the firmware. The only real clue is in dmesg where i get these lines :- usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed dev 2 ep 0x85 len 512 ret -110 usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed dev 2 ep 0x5 len 991 ret -110 also with earlier version of modem_run (stable from sourceforge) I get this kind of output on the command line :- bagpuss:/usr/src/speedtouch-1_0# /usr/local/bin/modem_run -v 2 -m -f /usr/local/bin/mgmt.o -s Gotcha, I found your ADSL ALCATEL SpeedTouch USB modem! best offset 6463 with probability 87% best offset 532634 with probability 100% BLOCK1: Connection timed out Uploading /usr/local/bin/mgmt.o failed! Continuing anyway ... Reference : 3EC 18607GAAB 02(see under your modem box) modem_start_synchro:00 00 .. === modem state at Thu Mar 21 09:52:03 2002 === c0 12 0007 : 08 . c0 12 000b : 00 00 40 02 00 00 20 01 ..@... . c0 12 000d : 00 00 00 00 .... c0 01 000e : 00 . c0 01 000f : 00 . ADSL line is blocked? Does anybody have any ideas? my box is a celeron 433, using a uhci USB chipset erm no other real pertinent details, kernel 2.4.18 and Debian testing. Thanks Adam -- Adam "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Re: [Alug] Announce: ALUG meeting 24th March
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

> John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> wrote: > > Just a thought but should I forward this to the cam lug list? > > Yes, but someone known to their list might be better. Andrew Savory wrote: >Ok, I nominate MJ. They know and love him :-) *snicker* I'll do it if MJ would prefer to maintain an aloof distance?

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Port 5005
by Paul 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi Folks I've been trying to get a distributed application working over a network. Most of the inter-process communications are handled by a low level server using the TCP/IP stack. For remote processes, communications use port 5005. Not being particularly clued up on low level networking, how do I enable this port ? Just throw an extra problem in, is there likely to be any problems communicating with a Windows box on this port ? Regards, Paul.

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