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Being ordered to do silly things at work/passwords
by tom potts 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

> > I agree... but the power that be have decided!!! I think it's stupid, >> but a mere mortal.... >You do it, the server gets owned and you get >dismissed for incompetence. >You don't do it, you get a warning for disobediance. Which is better? --------------------------------------------------- e-mail boss with reasons for not doing it - keep copy for self. Make sure you get order to do it in some written form (this normally makes tham wake up to their stupidity). Do work as instructed. If the server gets owned and you get fired then a tribunal will be on your side for 'constructive dismissal' and you'll get a few pennies for a nice self-training course. --------------------------------------------------- On the subject of passwords there is almost no safe/achievable way of doing this. If theres money involved I'd ensure one to one communication via snail mail with signatures - get them to agree to your site terms and conditions before you let them use it - if you are providing passwords. Or let them register themselves but again you'll need paper proof of their ID before you match them to any 'account'. Digital Sigs are now legal in the EU but I doubt if anyone uses it yet Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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RE: [Alug] kppp
by Ricardo Campos 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

> On the other hand, on my Red Hat machine, the equivalent to kppp > is 'rp3' (which may be a GNOME thingy, though I suspect that "rp3" > is short for "Red Hat ppp"); and its config program is 'rp3-config'. > Once 'rp3' has been configured for any user, then that user can just > use it. However, configuring 'rp3' means running 'rp3-config' and > this will certainly ask for the root password (and quit if it > doesn't get it). > > All of which makes me wonder whether you're really using 'kppp': > maybe what you're getting is 'rp3'? Well, I'm writing this using my RedHat box.... I had no joy with Kppp. There were no man pages, and the KDE help didn't.;-) I then tried rp3. If I went thru rp3, I had no luck (I had ppp0 and loopback as choices). Going through the configurator through *that* didn't help, even if I added a new account. I then invoked rp3-config directly, set up a new interface and voila... seems that you have to do it directly! (it's the only thing I did different, and that's a bug IMO) So now all I need to do is put my favourite progs on the RH machine. Many thanks for the help! Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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kppp
by Ricardo Campos 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

I'm trying out RedHat 7.2 and stumbled upon 2 problems relating to ppp, specifically kppp. 1) although I can connect using kppp from KDE, there appears to be no data transfer when I attempt to look at a website. (I suspect that I have to manually add my DNS servers' IP addresses, perhaps I accidentally put in my own IP address as the primary DNS server or something during installation-duh) 2) OK, if I do run kppp as someone other than root, it asks for root's password. How could I set it up so that I don't need to run a connection as root? It doesn't do it in Mandrake. I am actually gonna write a little report comparing my experiences with Mandrake and Redhat once I've given RH enough chance- all from the POV of a newbie and "Harry Home-User". (I'll post the URL when it is done). Initial thoughts on RH7.2: bloody hell, that's a bit slick!!! ;) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Password script?
by MJ Ray 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

Ted Harding: > > $ for user in `cat usernames`; do usermod -p $user $user; done > Not sure this will help, since it looks as though the password > argument to usermod -p has to be already encrypted: Thanks to Adam: for user in $(cat usernames); do usermod -p $(mkpasswd $user aa) $user done -- MJR

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Password script?
by Simon 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

Hi, does anyone know of, or can help me. I need a script/prog to change about 3500 users passwords to their usernames ??? Please!!??? Simon

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Lzip (humour?)
by Ricardo Campos 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

LOL need an alternative to bzip2/ gunzip? Why not try Lzip-the lossy compression program- "On the reassuring side, it is important to note that the compression algorithm used by lzip only discards the unimportant data. And if it was unimportant before, what makes it so important now? Huh?" http://lzip.sourceforge.net/faq.html Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Password script?
by MJ Ray 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

Simon: > I agree... but the power that be have decided!!! I think it's stupid, > but a mere mortal.... You do it, the server gets owned and you get dismissed for incompetence. You don't do it, you get a warning for disobediance. Which is better? ;) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Password script?
by Lincoln, Michael C 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

NO NO NO NO NO NO.. I don't think you don't want to do that. And you certainly don't want to tell the world! Look at an automated password generator like apg. It will automatically generate passwords for you. You can then send them out the the users by whatever means you like. http://freshmeat.net/projects/apgd/ Mike On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 12:03, Simon wrote: > Hi, > does anyone know of, or can help me. I need a script/prog to change about > 3500 users passwords to their usernames ??? > > Please!!??? > > Simon > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: Re[2]: [Alug] My new machine (If anyone's interested)
by Ricardo Campos 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

> I've not seem them that cheap. Is it possible to get a hardware modem for > that price? I don't think so! I chose to spend more on an external, hardware modem in order to release some CPU. After all, it's only £20, which is translated into beer is only one night out. Besides, it's a groovy green colour. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 21 Jan '02

21 Jan '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [Alug] AOL buying RedHat rumor
by John Woodard 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Bell [mailto:ian@ruffrecords.worldonline.co.uk] > Sent: 20 January 2002 16:36 > To: John Woodard > Subject: Re: [Alug] AOL buying RedHat rumor > > > On Sunday 20 Jan 2002 9:57 am, you wrote: > > I just read this on NewsForge > > http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219&mode=thread > > and I can't see if it's good for the Open Source community and Linux or > > not. > > Sounds like isdle speculation to me. I cannot see what AOL would benefit > from it. > > Ian > > As of yet it's only a rumour and both parties are oficially denying all knowledge. These rumours have a habit of raising their head from time to time, anyone remember the Microsoft to buy out BT rumour a while back? Cheers, BJ

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AOL buying RedHat rumor
by John Woodard 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

I just read this on NewsForge http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/19/1848219&mode=thread and I can't see if it's good for the Open Source community and Linux or not. Looks like if it were to happen the web would be a more friendly place for the non-MS browser user, with browser dependant sites having to make themselves readable with (insert your browser of choice here). The worrying thing is that RedHat would, just as someone stated on NewsForge "just wither on the vine". It's an interseting prospect though the possibility of all those AOL cds having a distro on them now that would be a promotion and a half for Linux. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] My new machine (If anyone's interested)
by Ricardo Campos 20 Jan '02

20 Jan '02

> Does anyone know of a PCI modem that will be guaranteed to work with > Debian Potato? As they are cheap it might do as a short term > solution. Why does it have to be PCI? No serial ports? I bought the cheapest external modem I could- ELSA Microlink 56k Fun, and it works perfectly with Deb potato, mandrake and deadrat. _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Dozens (Hundreds?) of entries in my logs
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 19 Jan '02

19 Jan '02

Jan 18 22:02:00 XXXXXXXX kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=17 213.122.164.171:1038 255.255.255.255:2710 L=51 S=0x00 I=9892 F=0x0000 T=64 (#33) Can anyone tell me what these are? I'm suddenly (last few days) getting an awful lot of these firewall messages. They are emanating from my ISP (BtInternet). Barry Samuels

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #8 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

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Fw: CRAFT project (Martyn Drake) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:53:21 +0000 From: Martyn Drake <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug Announce] Fw: CRAFT project Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:43:15 -0000 From: e.noble(a)coventry.ac.uk To: <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> Subject: CRAFT project The EPI Centre at Coventry University is participating in a project to help match European companies bidding for funds under the EC's Research and Development budget for SMEs known as CRAFT. CRAFT helps SMEs with limited research capability to develop new products or processes by paying the costs of a research organisation for them. I have recently been sent a profile for a project which has been proposed by an Italian company. They are looking for SME partners in the UK to join the Consortium. As it involves Linux, I wondered whether the following may be of interest to any of the companies in your association? 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Help please.....
by Simon 18 Jan '02

18 Jan '02

Hi people..... I need some help if possible, I need a script of some flavour, bash,perl don't mind... I need to create 3500 .forward files in users home directories!!! the mail will be forwarded to the same user but at a different domain... Can anyone please help me with this quite urgently please please please... Simon P.S. I promise to learn scripting in the near future...

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My new machine (If anyone's interested)
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

I remember a while ago that people were posting details of their current computers. I didn't do so because I knew that I would be updating my machine in the near future. So here are the details: =================================================================== Antec SX1240 full tower case. Good quality case with some nifty features such as being able to open the side of the case using a handle. One disadvantage is that there are so many cooling holes and slots the new machine is now more noisy than the old one. Hard drive noise mostly. Tyan Thunder K7 mainboard. 2 x 1.3 GHz athlon processors, 2 x LAN sockets, 512 MB ram, Winbond hardware monitoring, ATI Rage graphics chip. ===================================================================== Into this go my Adaptec 2940AU SCSI adapter, 3 x IBM SCSI hard drives together with the SCSI Tape Streamer, SCSI CD Writer, SoundBlaster and Matrox graphics card all from my old machine (not using the onboard graphics chip - only 4MB memory). Unfortunately I could not include my trusty old ISA 56k modem because the new board is PCI only and I don't like external modems - too untidy. So what does clever clogs do? He buys a PCMCIA to PCI adapter that will take an existing PCMCIA modem after researching that such a combination will work only to find that, although it does work, the maximum data transfer rate is 1.6k!!! The manufacturers of the adapter, Elan Digital Systems in Britain, tell that it won't work properly on my board without a BIOS or kernel modification because the bridge chip on the card is not being assigned a PCI interrupt. I'm just repeating what I've been told as it's way over my head anyway. I have emailed Tyan to ask if such modifications are likely to be made in the near future and am waiting for an answer. Does anyone know of a PCI modem that will be guaranteed to work with Debian Potato? As they are cheap it might do as a short term solution. I also replaced my dead UPS with a new Belkin UPS and Belkin provide Linux monitoring software. Good for them! The new setup has been running only a few days but during installation and testing I've had to reboot several times and occasionally after KDE(1) has started I've noticed that whatever was displayed when it was last closed down is opened twice. So I have two of everything. It does not happen every time and it didn't happen on the old machine. Still using the same hard drives and operating system! Oh! One minor problem. I cannot get any sound from the speaker when dialling. 'cardctl config' tells me that the speaker is enabled and the volume in kppp is set to medium. Any ideas on that? Maybe it's this lack of a PCI interrupt that's causing this. So there it is. A fast machine with what is effectively a 16k modem. Bah Humbug! Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] Help please.....
by MJ Ray 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

> I need to create 3500 .forward files in users home directories!!! the mail > will be forwarded to the same user but at a different domain... Can anyone > please help me with this quite urgently please please please... If that is for all users at that domain, you should do it at the MTA level to avoid eating inodes on the disks. If it's only for some, you could try as script containing: cat fileofusernames | ( \ while read user do echo "$user@otherdomain" > ~$user/.forward done ) but I'd check and test that first ;-) -- MJR

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PROBLEMS... with meet this weekend...
by Simon Parkes 17 Jan '02

17 Jan '02

Everyone... really really sorry about this, but due to health problems, I'm going to have to cencel this weekend at Cheveley... Once again, really sorry... This should be able to go ahead the week after all being well, but this weekeend is definately cancelled for Cheveley.. Simon

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PROBLEMS... with meet this weekend...
by Simon Parkes 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

MJRay wrote: >Hopefully not, as testing is fairly good right now, as it's preparing for >release. Try to RTFM next time ;-) Where are my glasses...... >I have unixodbc for stable with Postgres 6 somewhere around, I think, or I >can try to build one for PG7.1, or maybe even iodbc, if it helps. How that >fits in which PHP is probably best dealt with by someone who knows more PHP >sysadmin things. If any of them are use, just let me know. php has built-in support for postgres already, so needs nothing else doing - that bit is working ok. It's a driver for php to talk to "other" databases I need. The rate I am going it would be far more efficient to move all my databases to postgres and get them working that way :-) Thankyou for the offer, though. >You could either go the whole hog and just flip "stable" to "testing" >in there, or you could add a deb-src line for "stable", do "apt-get -b >source packagename" and see if it builds for you. I think I might make things even worse. I'll give up on it for now,sadly. At least till I remember where I left my brain. Thanks, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

MJRay wrote: >Jenny: >> I can only find a deb version of the later rpm in testing so download the >> deb package >If it's in testing, a few of us can probably make you a copy for stable if >you tell us what it is. Installing "the odd package" from testing without >doing a dist-upgrade is probably not a good idea. Oh dear. Too late. I hope I haven't screwed masses of stuff up now. What i'm after is an odbc driver, I found http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/conectiva/7.0/cd2/conectiva/RPMS/php4-odbc-4.0… I thought it would be quite simple to install alien so I can use the rpm. Ha! I installed alien and eagerly went to install the rpm-packaged driver from the link above, but alien told me it couldn't deal with rpm using major number less than 3 (or something like that). What I then was trying to install was rpm 4.0.2-18 from the testing; this is what was requiring the unmet dependencies. Would a working copy not requiring bunches of weird stuff be a possibility? Chris Glover wrote: >How about downloading the source for alien and building it yourself??? I tried this just in case, but it still requires you to install rpm - so same problem. Richard K wrote: >Update libdb2 as well; libdb3 only conflicts with earlier versions of >it. Under "testing": .....I tried this too, but libdb3 still wouldn't install. and of course, Ricardo wrote: >"fsck this" well, quite! Many thanks to all. Worst linux day I've had for a long time. :-( Jen

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dpgk nightmares
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Hi list This is what i hate most. I want to install a driver that i can only find in rpm (I'm using debian) I installed alien I can't install the driver as it requires a later version of rpm I can only find a deb version of the later rpm in testing so download the deb package I need about a billion dependent packages, so download I try to dpkg -i them all I get stuck on installing libdb3 as it conflicts with libdb2 I can't remove libdb2 because loads of stuff depends on it. grrrrrrr, Perhaps there is a one-line two-word command someone can help me with that will cure my woes? I'm sure i'm doing this the hard way. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] dpgk nightmares
by Richard Kettlewell 15 Jan '02

15 Jan '02

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I get stuck on installing libdb3 as it conflicts with libdb2 > I can't remove libdb2 because loads of stuff depends on it. Update libdb2 as well; libdb3 only conflicts with earlier versions of it. Under "testing": lyonesse$ dpkg -s libdb{2,3} Package: libdb2 Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: base Installed-Size: 596 Maintainer: Matthew Wilcox <willy(a)debian.org> Source: db2 Version: 2:2.7.7.0-2 Replaces: libdb2.6, lib-bdb2, libc6 (<< 2.2.2-4), libc6.1 (<< 2.2.2-4), libc0.2 (<< 2.2.2-4) Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) Conflicts: lib-bdb2 Description: The Berkeley database routines (run-time files). libdb2 is a library for manipulating database files, developed at Berkeley and extended by Sleepycat Software Inc. This is the stable version, also commercially supported. . It supports three kinds of file formats: * btree. A representation of a sorted, balanced tree structure. * hashed. An extensible, dynamic hashing scheme. * UNIX file oriented. A byte stream file with fixed or variable length records. Other core database services: * page cache management for fast access, clean page allocation. * lock with multiple reader/writer granularity. * nested transaction support with logging and rollback recovery (two phase commit). * Large set of utilities, to dump/load/restore data and examine log. Package: libdb3 Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: libs Installed-Size: 728 Maintainer: Matthew Wilcox <willy(a)debian.org> Source: db3 Version: 3.2.9-14 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4) Conflicts: libdb2 (<< 2:2.7.7-3) Description: Berkeley v3 Database Libraries [runtime] This is the runtime package for programs that use the Berkeley v3 database library. -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #7 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 14 Jan '02

14 Jan '02

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The German Lawyer vs Free Software continues (MJ Ray) 2. More on the German Lawyer (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] The German Lawyer vs Free Software continues ------- Forwarded Message Reply-To: Werner Heuser <wehe(a)mobilix.org> Organization: MobiliX Subject: MobiliX.org: severe charge with trademark issues by "Asterix and Obelix" Dear List Member, Werner Heuser author of Linux on the Road ( A Guide for Laptops and PDAs) has been charged with trademark issues by the owner of the trademarks for Asterix and Obelix "Les Editions Albert Rene" (Paris). The name of his website MobiliX.org is supposed to be mistaken for Obelix. The trademark Obelix was registered by the German lawyer Guenter Freiherr v. Gravenreuth. The legal charge is up to 250.000 USD or six months prison. The costs of the first instance are app. 15.000 USD. Werner Heuser has decided not to withdraw the name "MobiliX". He is supported by the German lawyers Jaschinski, Biere und Brexl - JBB (http://www.jbb-berlin.de). This case is another one in the recent series of trademark troubles for Free Software projects (SAMBA, Kylix, Kilustrator, SELFHTML, SuSE, ..). Therefore this case seems to be very important not only because many of these projects have names ending on "iX". The MobiliX.org (http://mobilix.org) site is dedicated to Mobile UniX systems. Therefore its name is a combination of the word "mobile" and the suffix "iX". It leads you to a lot of useful hands-on information about installing and running Linux, BSD, Solaris and other UniXes on laptops, PDAs, cell phones and other mobile computer devices. It exists since five years and besides the famous site "Linux on Laptops" (http://www.linux-laptop.net) by Kenneth E. Harker it seems to be biggest resource on this topic. Current news about the case are at http://mobilix.org/mobilix_asterix.html Werner Heuser - -- |=| Werner Heuser = Keplerstr. 11A = D-10589 Berlin = Germany |=| <wehe_AT_mobilix.org> T. 0049 - (0)30 - 349 53 86 |=| http://MobiliX.org How to Use UniX on Mobile Computers |=| http://Xtops.DE Laptops+PDAs pre-installed with UniX |*| This is no time for phony rhetoric -- Lou Reed _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion(a)fsfeurope.org http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discussion ------- End of Forwarded Message -- MJR --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:37:40 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce] More on the German Lawyer ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Re: MobiliX.org: severe charge with trademark issues by "Asterix and Obelix" Reply-To: "Georg C. F. Greve" <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Organisation: Free Software Foundation Europe Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:18:57 +0100 || On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:24:16 +0100 || Jan-Hendrik Palic <palic(a)billgotchy.de> wrote:=20 jp> What about all free projects with names, which are similar to jp> names from commercial names? I think it is more possible to get jp> into trouble with people like Gravenreuth every day those poeple jp> could do their work. Yes, it is obvious that the Free Software movement has not paid enough attention to this. jp> Are there people, where you can go, if you have some problem with jp> that, maybe the fsf? The FSF Europe already tries to do what it can. In fact we got in contact with Werner Heuser of MobiliX immediately when we heard about this and it is not really circumstantial that Till Jaeger (the lawyer of Werner Heuser) is also the lawyer of the FSF Europe. If you read the Heise article, you will even find that we are being mentioned there. In the earlier case that created a lot of fuzz, the case of Killustrator, we also had Till Jaeger investigate the matter. He was ready to defend the Killustrator project - and would most likely have won. Unfortunately the author of Killustrator and the University he published it from preferred to settle the matter by changing the name. Regards, Georg -- Georg C. F. Greve <greve(a)fsfeurope.org> Free Software Foundation Europe (http://fsfeurope.org) GNU Business Network (http://mailman.gnubiz.org) Brave GNU World (http://brave-gnu-world.org) ------- End of Forwarded Message -- MJR --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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