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Re: [Alug] Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by Dryden 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

>Mark - you mentioned some time ago having a Feb meet >in King's >Lynn. Any further thoughts? >Syd Ye a meat in kings lynn would be good :) i still havnt managed to get to a meat yet... ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Syd Hancock wrote: >This may not appeal to anyone but an alternative location near to >Norwich for an alug meet sometime is my house. It's free, warm and >there is always plenty of tea and biscuits :) My house is expensive and cold. A warm free one sounds most appealing, to me anyway! Jenny.

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Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Hi All, a surfeit of blackberry wine and cheesy excalibur films last night prompted me to wonder when the next meeting was: There was talk of Simon P putting us up at his folks place in Cheveley again, and talk of end of January? How about Sunday 27th January - Cheveley (if that suits Simon?) Sunday 24th Feb - Norwich - anyone at the uni find somewhere? If enough people could come to one or the other we could have a small website and library discussion to organise them into shape.....both topics that crop up from time to time and get dropped without being resolved. The Central Scrutiniser

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Re: [Alug] apt problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Andrew wrote: >What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? Can you surf the web ok? No! Stupid, d'oh. The routing table had lost its gateway setting (box did the weird crash thing again over hols) for the outside world. All working again, thanks Andrew and Earl. apt-get install libiodbc2 here i come. Jenny.

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apt problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jan '02

09 Jan '02

Hi all, I'm having problems with apt.... I was trying to install something (apt-get install libiodbc2) and it couldn't find stuff so i ran apt-get update. . Here is a snippet from apt-get update output: Err ftp://ftp.plig.org stable/non-free Packages Could not resolve 'ftp.plig.org' Err ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/contrib Release Could not resolve 'ftp.uk.debian.org' Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' And here is my sources.list, which has hitherto worked ok. Could I have set something somewhere on my box that doesn't allow ftp or anything? deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/non-US stable/non-US main contrib deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main Any pointers welcomed! Thanks, Jenny.

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ALUG Linux Distro CDs
by Martyn Drake 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

Hi folks, It occurs to me that we don't have anything on the web site, nor do we have any proper mechanism (other than at meetings where copies can be made) for folk to get hold of Linux distributions. I tend to use the Linux Emporium (http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk) for the majority of my purchases and they are very good. However, I would like to offer the ALUG slightly cheaper discs which I will burn myself and post to anybody that wants them. CDs will cost £2.00, with postage and packing for any number of CDs at £1.50. 1) Red Hat Linux 7.2 (2 x CDs) - £4.00 2) Mandrake Linux 8.1 (3 x CDs) - £6.00 3) Debian Linux Potato 2.2rev4 (3 x CDs) - £6.00 4) Smoothwall Firewall 0.99 (1 x CD) - £2.00 5) FreeBSD 4.4 (4 x CDs) - £8.00 If this goes well, I'd like to add a page to the web site whereby people can purchase these CDs from the web at a much lower rate than Linux Emporium to help encourage use of Linux. Whatever my profits are on this (which will be very small) will be pumped into running the server running ALUG. If people think this is a wacky and pointless idea, then I shall return to my small corner and hide :) However, if anybody is interested in this scheme, then please let me know what CD(s) you'd like and if you'd like to pay by Paypal/NoChex or personal cheque. This has been another hair brained scheme by Quackers Enterprises of Surrey :) Kind regards, Martyn -- Web : http://www.drake.org.uk Web : http://www.martyn-drake.info Web : http://www.alug.org.uk

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Re: [Alug] Re: Next Meeting
by MJ Ray 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Seago: > If the 27th is settled on, and the venue is to be Cheveley, will this be > another joint meeting with CamLUG? I don't know. Cc'ing them to ask. Cam-LUG, would you like to come out to play with ALUG that Sunday? I really must go to a Cam-LUG meeting one of these days... [CLUG: if you reply to main@...alug you'll be held for approval if you're not subscribed to it. Sorry. spam-trapping etc :-/ ] - -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8O016PcY2rvOKXY0RAgJ7AJ0eY7kbkaeB3eDbI/ImT7mp1hTCpACfYmdE V9gHlf9R5p5EKEbUovDzii8= =xc4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Next Meeting
by John Seago 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

If the 27th is settled on, and the venue is to be Cheveley, will this be another joint meeting with CamLUG? -- John Seago Change is not synonymous with `progress'.

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Re: [Alug] FTP restart
by Ricardo Campos 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

> I don't know of a client for Linux but then I've never > looked.. Anybody know of one? http://prozilla.delrom.ro/about.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] On-Line Install
by MJ Ray 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

tom: > RH will allow this - simply make the install disks, > boot and load the network card and do an nfs install [...] Can you really bring up the PPP link easily from the install system now? That's a big step forwards then. > What might be worth considering is findin something that will 'background' > download files and allow restarts from whatever you've already downloaded. Do you mean that we can't restart if the PPP link drops? Not really usable for most people on dialup in this country then, where periodic kicks and noisy lines are the norm. -- MJR

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On-Line Install
by tom potts 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

re MJR: "Yes, getting some shared ISOs is probably useful, although I wish more distributions would follow Debian's lead of starting PPP network installations from nothing more than a few floppies and some hard disk files." RH will allow this - simply make the install disks, boot and load the network card and do an nfs install from RHat. Its still slow but <3 days on ISDN unless you install everything. What might be worth considering is findin something that will 'background' download files and allow restarts from whatever you've already downloaded. THis way you can download the ISO's in the background while your IRC'ng - unless you can type a bit faster than me! Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] On-Line Install
by MJ Ray 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

My bad: > > Do you mean that we can't restart if the PPP link drops? Not really > > usable for most people on dialup in this country then, where periodic > > kicks and noisy lines are the norm. > GNU/GnomeFTP is a goodie for restarts mid file, if there was a way to script I meant restart if the PPP link drops during installation. With a little pestering, debian will restart its downloads from where it got to, as long as the base is installed (so maybe downloading them to hard disk will still be a good idea for us). For scripted general use, wget is quite easy to configure to make it timeout and retry. -- MJR

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Another Linux virus...
by Ricardo Campos 08 Jan '02

08 Jan '02

I guess it's best not to try and use an exploit whose code you don't understand.... http://www.vnunet.com/News/1127965 I wonder how long it will take for someone to engineer a more aggressive virus? (In the sense of self-propagating) _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by MJ Ray 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Simon: [...] > > Why on earth would anyone want to download 600Mb and only use around 200Mb > > of it? > > So, the answer's simple: use Debian! ;-) > I agree with your comments, but..... Sounds lame, but I'd rather have the > full distro (maybe I'm odd) that way I can get all the extra goodies, bits > and pieces that come along.. Fair enough most of them will never see the > light of day... But I just gotta have em.... How does not having the ones you don't want downloaded stop you getting the ones you do? New goodies (including ones from alternative suppliers) are only ever an apt away. > Anyway I've got to stick with RedHat, company policy etc... Company policy prevents you using better tools for the job? Time to look for a new company... ;^) > P.S. Does anyone know how to get the spell checker working with KMail ? Nope... I'm just going to try to get it working in this email client. Thanks for the idea! -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by MJ Ray 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Simon: > The idea (and reason) is I downloaded the RedHat 7.2 ISO's down an ISDN line > and it took 3 days (including 2 disconnects that I didn't pick up on)... Yes, getting some shared ISOs is probably useful, although I wish more distributions would follow Debian's lead of starting PPP network installations from nothing more than a few floppies and some hard disk files. They're taking it even further in the next version and letting you download the hard disk files after the installation has started, I believe. Why on earth would anyone want to download 600Mb and only use around 200Mb of it? So, the answer's simple: use Debian! ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder
by MJ Ray 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

> Which UK network(s) would you suggest? We are currently 2 for, 1 neutral I think. Therefore: Tonight's IRC meeting will be at 8pm on penguin.blitzed.org #alug (or try irc.blitzed.org if that doesn't work) as a trial. The rest of the details are the same, except: ,---- TONIGHT 8pm --------. | irc.blitzed.org #alug | `-------------------------' Point out any irony to me only by email off-list, please. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Next Meeting - Jan 27?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

MJRay wrote: >"As to the software library: do you mean that, or would a software directory on the web site be more useful? While the lending library is good (although David seems to have gone away with it?), some of us do not want to fund proprietary software products." That was Simon mentioned that. Not sure what he has in mind? As for the lending library david has run off with - I could trade him a vax for it back. :-) and >"It's not dropped. I'm still on the case." I kind of meant the support side from alug members. I feel a personal responsibility for not offering support, enthusiasm and help, but it may be a female thing ;-) (Jo?) Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Nessus and Nmap
by Ricardo Campos 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

> You need to have nmap installed too, have you? > Mike Yeah, that was my first step. I used a bastille-linux hardnening script recently, I'm wondering if that has somehow interfered the nessusd server. However, it was set to the lowest reccommended for someone on the 'net, rather than paranoia level. The man pages for nmap, if anyone who's been following this thread *hasn't* read them, are amazing. I actually understand them! lol. But then TCP/IP is the only computer stuff I've had formal training in (other than Louts Notes and Windows NT). REALLY, if you are thinking of any firewalling (iptables or ipchains or just in general) READ the nmap manual. Believe me! ;) >of scan I can run is tcp connect() scan... I kinda thought the point of nessusd was that it ran as root so the others are possible. > > > > Do you think this is just a symptom of scanning the loopback address? > > I guess from the response on-list that I'll get a chance to see if it *is* a symptom of loopback. ;) "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Nessus
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

Ricardo wrote: >Anyways, I'll be on IRC tonight, so if anyone wants to use up some of their CPU scanning my IP (nick: ConfuZed), >feel free to do so, as long as you send me the report! ;) Ricardo, - I too have been setting up ipchains and wondering if they do what i think they do over the last few weeks. I'll be grateful if anyone can try the same on my box tonight. Would the way to go about it to be to declare the IP (dynamically assigned) on the IRC session and award a prize to the first person to get in, or is that, erm, uncool? Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Nessus
by Ricardo Campos 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

>Would the way to go about it to be to > declare the IP (dynamically assigned) on the IRC session and award a prize > to the first person to get in, or is that, erm, uncool? > Jenny. LOL Well, I guess it's gonna be a free-for-all tonight! Nessus produces reports in HTML, so we can get proper feedback prolly best we get one person scanning one person rather than 5 people scanning one poor fella (or lass as the case may be) We'll work it out on IRC.... ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder
by MJ Ray 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

> The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the > #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more > info on the openprojects network. I'm thinking that maybe we should move to a UK network, as OPN still only has one usable UK server and is developing in strange ways[1]. Anyone have strong feelings on this? [1] - For people who know about IRC: abolishing O-lines, disabling some useful commands, kicks that look like you did a /part, 4 million americans and thousands of brits banned from their help channel and many more. -- MJR

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Nessus
by Ricardo Campos 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

OK, so I've been playing around with that lovely security program Nessus (http://nessus.lug.org.uk/), scanning both my eth0 and pp0- for some reason the only kind of scan I can run is tcp connect() scan... I kinda thought the point of nessusd was that it ran as root so the others are possible. Do you think this is just a symptom of scanning the loopback address? Anyways, I'll be on IRC tonight, so if anyone wants to use up some of their CPU scanning my IP (nick: ConfuZed), feel free to do so, as long as you send me the report! ;) Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Jan '02

07 Jan '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Netscape 6.2 (Mail & News too)
by Ricardo Campos 06 Jan '02

06 Jan '02

Here we go again.... Anyone had problems with Netscape 6.2 not saving stuff like bookmarks, the default view you want (i.e. without "My sidebar" etc), or even forgetting mail/news accounts? I can set them up, and then darn it when I close Netscape and fire it up again, it doesn't save them! The permissions of ~/.mozilla imply that the owner (me) should have read/write permissions (and execute on some), so I don't really get it... Still running Mandrake 8.0 as Debian's still being a pig to get X up and running on... "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] mbox
by Ricardo Campos 06 Jan '02

06 Jan '02

Awww... you guys is great!!!! lol ;-) Well, I'm off to repair it using (my favourite text editor- maybe I'll need to put "no HTML e-mails" on my sig SO bulky in a txt editor). Luckily, however, I was able to retrieve the message by the help of Micro$oft... lmao I actually added the pop3 acct to my hotmail acct (linuxmail is blocked by the ISP due to spam) and retrieved it from there- seems Evolution (spit spit) didn't actually d/l the message, just fragged it's own mailbox... I've also got 1.2 MB of spurious Qmail weirdness sent to that mailbox too. you take these risks running beta software, but then someone's gotta do it, right? lol (well, it *does* put up a disclaimer when you run it) again, saved by the LUG... MUCH appreciated, Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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