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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Edenyard: > Sounds a bit like the state of play with this wretched DOS browser. > Sort-of almost works, but.... It's not really the fault of the browser, but the fault of the web developer if there are anything other than cosmetic problems because you're not using a CSS-ready browser. Absence of flash, javascript, etc, should not make a site inaccessible. (Absence of cookies is trickier, but arachne does cookies, IIRC.) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Ricardo Campos 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a >go at that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a >version number is, the slower it runs on old hardware? I was lazy too, and was comparing Netscape 4.77 to "Mozilla 5". Mozilla won, of course. But this thread prompted me to upgrade to Netscape 6. What a *very* sensible thing to do!!!! I'm lucky in that hardware isn't a problem for me, but I must say that Netscape 6 is (so far) utterly robust, a doddle to expand (i.e. plugins), and the caching is the best I've seen. Netscape 6 gets my thumbs up. Bigtime. :) (And the Linux version seems much quicker than the windows version! Ha!) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Highspeed access for everyone...
by Simon 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Well most of you guys will probably already have heard about this, but since I haven't seen any posts I thought I'd be first to get flamed/thanked... http://www.btopenworld.com/satellite/index.html BT are going to be rolling out a satellite solution 500k down 150k upstream, and (obviously) it's not area dependant.. Bit pricy though £140 +vat per month!! still it's a start, us who live in the outback can get a decent net connection before too long... Just been to the BT account manager for our company and he said that if a good case can be put forward it's easily possible to get it before the official roll-out date in April 2002.. Simon "It's hard to be fit as a fiddle when you're shaped like a cello"

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:39:26 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > You might like to take a look at "dillo", which is a very fast browser that > will display pages, although it's still a long way from supporting enough to > render them all correctly. It also misses JavaScript, cookies, etc, so > you'll need another browser on-hand for some sites. > Sounds a bit like the state of play with this wretched DOS browser. Sort-of almost works, but.... > > Another option is to add an offline browsing cache, such as wwwoffle, to > your current setup. That has its own quirks, but it's quite useful. > Ah - that does sound interesting. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tips. Gerald. -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Ricardo Campos 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> Dennis: > > Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... [...] > > The latest 6.x is a lot better. I agree, the version of Netscape (6.2 I think) I downloaded on Sunday loads up faster, and parses web pages faster than Netscape 4.77. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Dennis: > Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... [...] The latest 6.x is a lot better. > well thats what ive been told. [...] Untethered bungees are a good idea. ;-) > Try galeon (spelling?) its abit faster... or you could go for lynx if you > realy want some speed ;) Galeon is only faster if you run Gnome already. Otherwise skipstone, I think, or dillo if you really want speed, or w3m for text mode. -- MJR

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Re: Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Dryden 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> Fair enough! You know that a lot of what I do is based either on > laziness or ignorance and that's how I come to be using 4.77 - it came > with slackware 8! I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that > seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do > anything. If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a go at > that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a version number is, the > slower it runs on old hardware? Don't forget I'm on an ex- skip P166MMX. > before you groan and give up on me totally, let me tell you that this is > quite an upgrade from my trusty 486DX4100 which I use for my work. Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... well thats what ive been told. Im also guessing that its got alot of problems as no distro i know of has it... but then im not 100% about that :) oh and im in hte same boat i upgraded from a 486DX4 100MHz to a P 133, and i agree mozila is very slow. Try galeon (spelling?) its abit faster... or you could go for lynx if you realy want some speed ;) Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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UK LUG Distribution specific mailing lists
by John Seago 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Some members of this list may not be aware of the existance of distribution specific mailing lists, listed as, `Support Mailing Lists', on this web site: http://www.lug.org.uk/ I would not like to be thought to be suggesting these as an alternative to ALUG. I am however suggesting that they may offer an extra level of support/interest to the members of the ALUG list. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] box crash question
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

David Fairey wrote: >If you add "rtl8139" to the end of the "/etc/modules" file >it should load the module everytime the machine boots. Then >rest of the boot scripts will startup ifconfig and route >before samba does. I have the line options rtl8139 io=0xdc00 irq=10 in etc/modules, is this what you mean? It was put there by modutils when i ran update-modules. That is the only reference to rtl8139 though. >(Assuming you have all the correct entries in >/etc/network/interfaces file for eth0). The only thing i think I may be missing is ONBOOT=YES.....not sure if it is ok juist to plonk that at the end of /etc/network/interfaces for iface eth0 or not? Earl Brannigan wrote >do you have the modules.conf entries for rtl8139 ? if you have them then >whenever networking is brought up modprobe is able to start them. Shouldn't >the modules reside in /lib/modules/<version>/ ? Yes, I have just looked and rtl8139.o is present and correct in /lib/modules etc. >The daemons should be started by init. under /etc/init.d/ there should be a >script for each of the daemons you want started sometime or other. Under >/etc/rcN.d/ (where N is the runlevel) there should be a symlink to files in >the init.d directory. (man init should help). The daemons start ok, I just need to restart them after entering network information correctly. But I've just gone and looked at init.d and started to vaguely comprehend what is going on there. I could write any small script, (e.g. adding routes and modules if I can't figure it out the "proper" way?), plonk it here and symlink to it then? >Was an X session running at the time ? This was re. my weird box-locking up. No, I rarely use X on this box. Thanks for the suggestion though. Thanks! Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Edenyard: > I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that > seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do > anything. Yes, Mozilla has only recently started to get fast enough for decent use. I'm not sure how it'll fare on a P166, but like Netscape 4 before it, memory is the real limit. You can dress Mozilla up in a light front-end such as Skipstone, which is something you couldn't do with NN4. You might like to take a look at "dillo", which is a very fast browser that will display pages, although it's still a long way from supporting enough to render them all correctly. It also misses JavaScript, cookies, etc, so you'll need another browser on-hand for some sites. Another option is to add an offline browsing cache, such as wwwoffle, to your current setup. That has its own quirks, but it's quite useful. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Laurie Brown 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Laurie Brown writes: > >>Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> >> >>>Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> writes: >>> > >>>>Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, >>>>actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in >>>>the archives! >>>> >>>It means "here and there" or "throughout", nothing to do with the >>>past. >>> >>Granted that's its literal translation, but one would hardly archive >>something that hasn't been written yet. "ALUG passim" can only mean >>to look for something in the past. >> > > It's the definition given in English dictionaries as well as > English-Latin ones. "<foo> passim" to me implies multiple > occurrences, throughout <foo>, but "previously" or "in the past" might > only refer to a single occurrence. Granted. Luckily in this case, there are several occurrences in old ALUG stiff! Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: /etc/fstab
by John Seago 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

I wrote the line suggested by Mark into my /etc/fstab file, and made a new directory `floppy' in both the root and user home directories, but on trying to mount the floppy I received the message `mount, mount point /floppy does not exist'. The failure of the other entries I made were usually due to the same failure. There must be something blindingly obvious I've missed somewhere, if someone feels able to point me in the right direction I'd be extremely grateful. Please excuse my gross ignorance. John seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: /etc/fstab
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

If the directory 'floppy' is in your home directory, don't you want to be doing mount /dev/fd0 /home/john/floppy ? That appends the contents of your floppy into the directory 'floppy' Jen. John Seago <john.seago@daking To: "Mark Ray" <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> s.co.uk> cc: "ALUG" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent by: Subject: [Alug] Re: /etc/fstab main-admin(a)lists.a lug.org.uk 16/12/2001 18:44 Please respond to john.seago I wrote the line suggested by Mark into my /etc/fstab file, and made a new directory `floppy' in both the root and user home directories, but on trying to mount the floppy I received the message `mount, mount point /floppy does not exist'. The failure of the other entries I made were usually due to the same failure. There must be something blindingly obvious I've missed somewhere, if someone feels able to point me in the right direction I'd be extremely grateful. Please excuse my gross ignorance. John seago _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Apologies, Double Post
by John Seago 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Imust apologise for double posting the same question to the list. I assumed as the first one did not appear in the next list, or the following one that it had not arrived, therefore I posted an ammended version on Sunday. I have found various suggestions for an /etc/fstab entry that will enable me to access, read and write to and from the floppy in various places on newsgroups and Slackware related sites, however none of them seem to actually work, (they probably do, I expect it's mainly incompetence on my part). John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Burning CDs
by Edenyard 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:06:38 +0000, Andrew Bayliss wrote: > Main Menu -> Create CD -> Write Tracks -> Blank CD-RW (bottom right corner) > It's not exactly in the most obvious place I'll admit. This is in > 0.98alpha9. > Many thanks for that. In my rather flimsy defence, I tend to try all menu options and examine what they do, but I'm generally rather reluctant to go pressing a button labelled 'write' without having a good reason for doing so. Anyway - thanks again. It worked a treat! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:30:40 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Come on. A dead stoat can beat certain aspects of Netscape 4.77. Why not > compare it with Mozilla or Netscape 6 which has a little "offline browsing" > toggle? > Fair enough! You know that a lot of what I do is based either on laziness or ignorance and that's how I come to be using 4.77 - it came with slackware 8! I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do anything. If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a go at that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a version number is, the slower it runs on old hardware? Don't forget I'm on an ex-skip P166MMX. before you groan and give up on me totally, let me tell you that this is quite an upgrade from my trusty 486DX4100 which I use for my work. I know, I know - there's really no hope for some of us, is there! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Mounting Devices as a user in Slackware (KDE)
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

> It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence > fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: > /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 I have: /dev/fd0 /floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 00 Maybe you meant "auto" or "msdos" instead of ext2? ext2 can be used on floppies, but isn't very often. I think I usually run autofs to access the floppy, but this particular machine has avfs making floppies appear at /#a... I don't really recommend avfs for the masses yet. -- MJR

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Mounting Devices as a user in Slackware (KDE)
by John Seago 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

On Friday I wrote this into my /etc/fstab file: /dev/cdrom /home/john/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 (this latter 1 1 as access was denied otherwise), this succeeded in damaging the filesystem beyond what I could do to repair it. Is there an /etc/fstab entry which will enable me to access both the cd and the floppy as a user in KDE? Is this a question I need to ask on a specialist Slackware list? Many thanks for any advice you may wish to give. -- John Seago `change and progress are not necessarily the same things'

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Edenyard: > A rare case of one up to the DOS browser, I suppose! Come on. A dead stoat can beat certain aspects of Netscape 4.77. Why not compare it with Mozilla or Netscape 6 which has a little "offline browsing" toggle? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Richard Kettlewell 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> writes: > Ian Douglas wrote: >> Thanks for the advice and offer of help. Unfortunately, as I >> mentioned, I am a bit of a newbie and have not fully found my way >> around the ALUG website, nor its terminology, yet. What exactly is >> the "ALUG lists passim" you refer to? > > Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, > actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in the > archives! It means "here and there" or "throughout", nothing to do with the past. -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Mounting Devices as user in Slackware 8
by John Seago 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Yesterday I wrote this into my /etc/fsatb file: /dev/cdrom /home/john/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 (this latter 1 1 as access was denied otherwise), this succeeded in damaging the filesystem beyond what I could do to repair it. Is there an /etc/fstab entry which will enable me to access both the cd and the floppy as a user? Is this a question I need to ask on a specialist Slackware list? Many thanks for any advice you may wish to give. -- John Seago `change and progress are not necessarily the same things'

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Re: [Alug] redirecting into a command...
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Simon: > rsh -l<login-name> <router-ip> sh ver "rsh -l login ip" on its own should get you a login shell. rcp is the usual way to copy files across, but "cat srcfile | rsh -l login ip 'sh cat >destfile'" should work if you have to. Hope that helps. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Many thanks to Ricardo and Ian for suggesting to set "Compare pages = NEVER". This seems to improve the situation but not cure it in all cases. It still seems as though it doesn't know where to look when it finds the modem not connected. A rare case of one up to the DOS browser, I suppose! Gerald.

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Burning CDs
by Edenyard 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Having now managed to install my CD-RW drive and load up cdrecord 1.10 in Slackware, I've started to fiddle with actually making CDs. I downloaded Xcdroast and managed to get it to run, but I can't find any buttons at all that erase a previously recorded CD-RW disk and it seems that Xcdroast won't just simply write the new files to a previously recorded CD-RW disk. Am I missing something obvious? Is Xcdroast the best front-end for the CD-writing process? I picked it because I could get a .TGZ file already to install in Slackware. (Alright - call me chicken!) As always, all advice very gratefully received! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Laurie Brown 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Ian Douglas wrote: >>Laurie Brown wrote: >>I've done a fair bit of work on firewalls, and ALUG lists passim >>have a few examples. Shout if you need help. >> > > Hi Laurie, > > Thanks for the advice and offer of help. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I > am a bit of a newbie and have not fully found my way around the ALUG > website, nor its terminology, yet. What exactly is the "ALUG lists passim" > you refer to? Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in the archives! Actually, the 'Net is the resource you need. I'll expand when I answer your other post. Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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