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Re: [Alug] Environmental Variables
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Syd: > where are these values 'normally' stored? I use quotes because so many > things seem to be distro-specific. I'm using MDK8.0 but info on any distro > would be interesting. I looked in /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc (I think) > but couldn't see anything related. Yes, /etc/profile (or /etc/login for c-shells) is the normal place. You probably won't see a default setting, as if the variable is unset, it defaults to "C", the default (it stands for common, I think) locale. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Evolution 1.0 out
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Andrew: > The Exchange interoperability one is, certainly. Which makes sense, I > guess. It's not available yet (due early 2002) and will be priced at $69 > ($599 for 10 pack, $1499 for 25 pack). Personally, I'm in favour of > this: build a great free client, and then charge a "Microsoft tax" for > those people that insist on hooking up to non-free groupware servers. Can it really cut the mustard, though? It's little use doing this if it's not going to make money. If it's not open and there are bugs in it, are people going to blame the MS server or the small company's connector? While I know where we'd point the finger, I don't think your typical PHB would agree. > [...] Use the money to fund development of a decent free groupware server, > perhaps. Now that would be worth seeing. > I think Evolution *is* a case of doing one thing and doing it well. [...] Reportedly, it's actually a gaggle of little bits with sometimes questionable cohesion and bad control over its components. Is having PIM and email in one location desirable? I find it quite helpful keeping them apart, although having better connectivity to the PIM would be very useful. > [...] As a matter of fact, I'm back to using the mail client I started off > with in 1992, which is still the best IMHO :-) Surely that's just the old cliche that "normal is whatever I'm used to". I don't think PINE is really where it's at any more. It shows it age in some ways and is still non-free, isn't it? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Evolution 1.0 out
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

James: > Evolution 1.0 is out. Debs expected in unstable... Well, sometime soon. Is it true that some of the connectors are non-free? In any case, I think I prefer tools that "do one thing and do it well". I need to find a better one for email, or make this one better. But that's for my CFT, whenever it reappears. -- MJR

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Evolution 1.0 out
by James Green 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

For those interested but not keeping tabs on online life ;) Evolution 1.0 is out. Debs expected in unstable... Well, sometime soon. I'm personally running 0.99.0 right now with no problems. Although it is with a local imap server :). Regards to all, James Green

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Re: [Alug] locale settings question
by MJ Ray 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Syd: > I sometimes get this error message (MDK8.0, su'd to root in a > terminal window): Can you define "sometimes", please? > Is it serious and what do I do about it? Incidentally I am not > trying to run perl - for example, the above is part of the output > in response to the supermount command. Maybe supermount runs perl? To me, the problem looks like you may not have the en_GB locale set up and configured. There's some info on this in the perllocale(1p) man page. How you correct it on Mandrake, I'm not sure. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> I'm running Mandrake 8.0 at the moment so just for the sheer hell of it > typed man man > and what do you know? Seems mine's the stinker, I reinstalled since I last tried it. I just thought a lack of a man man was some hilarious UNIX joke. ha ha. Well, I always thought my pc was an envoy of Satan, sent down (up?) to this world to cause me great confuZion. Hence it's hostname (which, quite frankly, is not repeatable), which originated from the stream of expletives I've hurled at it since I installed Linux! >:) Oh well... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> q I believe, I enerally mash the keyboard until the man page disapears ;) Me too, but q doesn't work. :( Still, not a problem in an Xterm. > yes it does, type man man... First thing I tried! (It doesn't appear to have one on my system). Mandrake 8.0, you gotta love it's inconsistencies. ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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X 4.1.0 for Debian,
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Posted to the list, incase anyone wants X4.1.0 on Debian (or searches the archives for it later on) >I have the som 'unofficial' .deb packages to install X4.0.1 on Deb Potato (hopefully Debian 2.2r3 is Potato). > >> Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list: >> >> # - X4 from cpbotha >> deb http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ xf410_potato/i386/ >> deb http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ xf410_potato/all/ >> Unfortunately, we skipped configuring wvdial when installing Debian. Oh, yup. I won't be doing this tonight, as I'm off to a gig. I'm sure the next barrage of Debian questions will come as soon as I have time AND get bored of Tux Racer AND Rune. ;) Heh heh... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ALUG-IRC 8pm tonight
by MJ Ray 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

The regular weekly ALUG-IRC will take place in #alug on uk.openprojects.net / eu.openprojects.net tonight at 8pm. If you need help getting on IRC, take a look at http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/alugfaq.html or email me. Of course, we'd welcome other LUGs in the region to come along and join in, if you want. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> try 'man xset', I think there is an option in there... Incidentally, how do you exit a man page? I normally put it thru more instead: man xxx | more Of course, man has no man page! :D -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Currently I'm using Black Box or WindowMaker as window managers. (mainly windowmaker). HOWEVER, they both make an annoying beep (via the motherboard- a system beep like when you boot up, rather than thru the soundcard) every hour on the hour. Very annoying when you're playing a DVD! I can't seem to find a setting in either manager to stop this, nor can I find any reference in their respective docs. It doesn't do it in Gnome or <shudder> KDE. Haven't tried Xfce (yet). Anyone come across this? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ODBC driver
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hello, all: Can anyone recommend an ODBC driver i can use on the debian box: I want to go off and access data from an ms access database held on an NT server, bring it back, and display it on a web page. I can find "libiodbc", but this seems to be a driver manager rather than a driver. Thanks, Jenny.

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locale settings question
by Syd Hancock 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi all I sometimes get this error message (MDK8.0, su'd to root in a terminal window): --quote-- perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LC_MESSAGES = "en_GB", LC_TIME = "en_GB", LC_NUMERIC = "en_GB", LC_CTYPE = "en_GB", LC_MONETARY = "en_GB", LC_COLLATE = "en_GB", LANG = "en" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). --end quote-- Is it serious and what do I do about it? Incidentally I am not trying to run perl - for example, the above is part of the output in response to the supermount command. Sorry if this is a simple question but as a newbie I really have no idea where to begin. I did look at man locale and man perl but did not find anything that seemed relevant to this problem. Many TIAs Syd

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Re: [Alug] 500Bytes - 40 Gig
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> I've just had another complaint which indicates you may have killed all our > OE-using members... OK, we can probably agree on how crap that email client > is, but killing them before we convert them isn't helpful at all. :-( I have to say I reserved myself to bite on this little morsel til today. I'm glad I didn't subscribe to this list using my work mail. All e-mail including compressed (tgz, zip, etc) attachments are scanned for viruses here, both at the mailserver, and on workstations. This particular attachment is basically malicious code as the two virus-scanners I am aware of uncompress zip files to scan them. It would have crashed our mail server, and, had it actually come through, it would have crashed my desktop machine. Had that happened, I would NOT be a happy bunny. (Understatement of the year) > (Did any OE users get that message OK... and why are you using OE?!?) Just to annoy you! ;-P Actually I don't use OE anymore, but that's not the point. Seriously, though, some of us work in multi-OS environments, including Mac and M$, and so have to use virus scanners. I suspect that it could've nailed a linux box too, seeing as Linux is perfect for a multi-OS environment, as a mail/file server, etc. I've noticed a few people using work e-mails, so let's see how good *their* scanners are... If you want to send this kind of code do it directly to the person who asked for it, please. Anyone fancy posting the NIMDA sourcecode??? >;-) ha ha. Ricardito -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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e2fsck lost+found error
by Ian Douglas 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi folks, If I run "e2fsck /dev/sda5" I get the following error: /dev/sda5 contains a filesystem with errors, check forced: Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Missing '..' in directory inode 195 Fix <y>? yes Missing '..' in directory inode 196 Fix <y>? yes Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Unmounted directory inode 195 (/???) Connect to /lost+found <y>? yes /lost+found not found. Create <y>? yes Error creating /lost+found directory (ext2fs_link): No free space in the directory I am confused. If I mount /dev/sda5 on /mnt and have a look around it, it all looks ok and if I do a df it tells me there is still plenty of free space on the partition (as I expected): Filesystem: /dev/sda5 1k-blocks: 3958767 Used: 1653871 Available: 2100069 Use%: 44% Anyone know how I can correct this "lost+found" error? Ian.

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mail clients
by Ricardo Campos 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Sidestepping the current debate.... ;) Has anyone got any suggestions for a mail client that suits these criteria: 1. Can handle HTML, but needs to send in either html or text (actually only needs to send in text). 2. Can handle MIME attachments. 3. GUI based, but not desktop environment specific (i.e. not Kmail or Evolution). I use WindowMaker as a window manager, and both those products crash at unexpected times outside their cde. 4. Not Mozilla Messenger or Nestscrape Msgr.(These seem a little shaky to me too- although I'm still on Netscrape 4.77) It *doesn't* need to handle news, or have a calender, or an organiser, or wash my dishes. :) Just a mail client. E-mail me off-list if you wish. Ricardo --------------------- "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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500Bytes - 40 Gig
by Ducttape 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Someone on list had a zip file which was a few hundred bytes but which uncompressed to several gigs, does anyone have it? Thanks D

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Boot scripts
by Paul 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi folks I have a linux box running RH6.x that I want to have booting directly in to X-windows without having to log in first. The various network services still need to be started so that I can telnet in - Question is, in what order are the start up scripts run, and which one(s) do I need to hack to skip the login ? Or better still, where can I find documents on the boot sequence ? Regards, Paul.

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Touchscreens for the microwave.
by Paul 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

Hi Folks I finally sorted the touchscreen out that I had at the meeting yesterday. A case of not reading my XF86Config notes properly. Had missed the "AlwaysCore" option from the XInput section ! At least the driver I had to write works fine against a fresh install of linux and XFree86-3.3.5. Regards, Paul.

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Re: New Toys questions
by John Seago 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

Can I thank all those who responded to my requests for help, both those who responded via the list and those who responded privately. The question on swap space seems to have prompted a discussion which I am watching with interest, but not necessarily understanding completely. On the matter of booting multiple `Linux' distributions it would appear that just continuing with Lilo is enough, which in view of my steep `Linux' learning curve so far, seems far, far too easy........ John

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Wireless networking
by Andrew Savory 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Hi all, As I live just a few streets away from an ADSL-enabled area, I'm pondering going halves with a friend that can get ADSL and then setting up a wireless connection from his house to mine. The trouble is, I know *nothing* about wireless networking ;-) If anyone out there in ALUGland does, could you give me a few hints? I want to know: * what are my options? * what range I can get? * what hardware is required? * likely cost? Looking forward to someone telling me it'll cost 50p and give me gigabytes a second to play with... Andrew. -- All views are my own .... who else would want them?

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Adam Bower 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

>From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> >To: abower(a)thebowery.co.uk >CC: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' > the CD drive >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:51:55 +0000 > > > Not with 2.4.* kernels the vm needs either at least 2x swap to RAM or no > > swap at all, if not you may/will see performance problems on your >machines. > >Hmm... methinks not. I have 512MB RAM (& kernel 2.4.3), and only 133 MB >swap space (to use during the install), and find no performance problem in >any way. In fact the opposite! There is simply no reason for me to use 1GB >of swapspace! Besides which RAM is *much* faster than swap, easier to >upgrade, and just stupidly cheap. I only spent £40 on 512MB (that's >probably expensive now), & don't expect to upgrade anytime soon....... Hmmm, I think this is the thread on linux kernel mailing list that covers it more in depth http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0101.3/1221.html but don't have time to read all of it... there is a comment somewhere in there though that shows that Linus should shoot himself though. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by John Seago 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Thanks to all who offered suggestions aimed at solving this problem, some time after I posted my query, I found an unlikely answer on one of the newsgroups which was to replace the IDE cables with new ones, (and they had to be new as opposed to different), this worked, (and being both cheap and easy, was most satisfactory), and Chris and I have managed to install both Slackware and Debian now. It has to be said that in my case they are going in at an alarming rate until such time as I get it right! When Chris opened up my case and replaced the cables he found that my rather elderly computer was in fact suffering from old age and neeeded replacing. I am having a `bare bones' computer built to take my new drives, and this raises a question, up to now I have followed advice I read somewhere that the swap space be twice the memory, (RAM?), having 64 whatever-they-ares of memory I have a 128 swap space, having ordered 128 memory, do I need a 256 swap space? All suggestions gratefully recieved, although I may be too old/full of pain killers to understand any explanation. John

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New toys question 2
by John Seago 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Having decided that I can probably do without `windows' it just occurred to me that more important than the swap space is how to get it to boot, (other than using boot floppies), particularly as I wish to boot several partitions. Up to now I have cheated and used a Mandrake 8 or 8.1 installation disk to make the partitions, and reset after it has written them to the partition table. I believe that I will need a partition at the front of the primary master hard disk to boot from, and I can, (as yet), find no information in any of the library of books I seem to have acquired over the past few months. this time I think I may to have to have it explained to me, or understand it, before I start making big mistakes. Can someone point me at a source of information that I can take in at my own pace? John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Ricardo Campos 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

>http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0101.3/1221.html > but don't have time to read all of it... there is a comment somewhere in > there though that shows that Linus should shoot himself though. I read it up until the point that my browser "couldn't find the server". Couldn't really see the comment. BUT I prefer to use the addage: To increase a servers speed- add more RAM, to increase it further add EVEN MORE RAM. Same for desktop, ESPECIALLY since desktops tend to use IDE rather than SCSI(which is still not as fast as RAM). 128 MB (or 256 to be sure) should be fine, unless you use intensive apps such as 3D rendering and GIMP on big piccies. With the advent of large (32MB+) graphics cards, even 3D games don't really dent your RAM that much. I'm not sure if the kernel actually needs a swap partition to be present, but in general losing 128 MB on a HD isn't exactly a great loss (especially as I couldn't find a first-hand IDE drive with less than 20GB), and £50 for 512MB isn't either (of course, that's just excessive, I was just trying to future-proof as much as poss). My bets are: loadsa RAM, small swap. I think the 2xRAM thing was also partly due to RAM being expensive once-upon-a-time. Ricardito "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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