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Fdisk Errors
by Ducttape 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

When I run Fdisk I get the following error message Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hda1: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 612 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1p1 ? 120513 235786 925929529+ 68 Unknown Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(116, 100, 32) logical=(120512, 47, 32) Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(288, 101, 46) logical=(235785, 20, 46) Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(288, 101, 46) should be (288, 254, 63) Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(357, 32, 43) logical=(82800, 34, 51) Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(0, 13, 10) logical=(116349, 218, 61) Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(0, 13, 10) should be (0, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p3 ? 33551 120595 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3 Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(33550, 137, 11) Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(120594, 153, 54) Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(324, 77, 19) should be (324, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p4 ? 86812 86813 10668+ 49 Unknown Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(86811, 142, 3) Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(86812, 225, 45) Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(335, 78, 2) should be (335, 254, 63) Partition table entries are not in disk order Any suggestions on how I could fix this, preserving the data on the partitions? Thanks D

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Re: [Alug] new netowrk card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Ricardo wrote> So you're using the NETBIOS name, then. Hi all, just to let you know the box is now showing on the network again. smb.conf didn't have a netbios name entry. What i don't understand is how changing a network card could make a difference to that - surely it shouldn't have showed up *before* with that entry missing. Thanks for all the replies on it, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Laurie wrote: > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > reader. Laurie, this email was more of a grey area than previous messages, not being a "we've got this job" but a "where should we advertise". Of course, you could still count it as sneaky advertising, as most of the email is occupied by their contact details in a non-signature footer, but it can't really be classed as "spam"/UCE. However, what we saw was you stomping in there with the big boots on and threatening them on-list for what appeared an innocent message. No explanation of why you classed it as spam was given. Please, everyone, if you suspect something of being spam, please contact the three of us at main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk and *we'll* get the big boots on. If you dislike our decision, *then* you can post to the list bitching about our decision and we'll back down if your opinion is the majority one. I'm inclined to accept job adverts etc into announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, mainly through the absence of any other material. Would people agree to that, as long as tough guidelines (eg no sigs, under a certain length, once per issue max) were set? > Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. Now this *is* interesting. I also dislike ATSCO because of their handling of this (even if I think that I broadly agree with the spirit (but not the letter) of IR35) and I think the only honourable thing for any member to do is to either resign or go on record with an open letter objecting to their handling of the affair. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>1. All adverts should go to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, subject to some >submission criteria: > - plain text only > - signature <4 lines > - strongly encouraged to put supporting material at a URL > - max one per batch sounds good to me, what are other peoples thoughts on adverts on Alug?? the current state of play is in the FAQ I felt when writing it there was a fair balance, of course if it is abused then people would loose posting rights. >2. No adverts are permitted on main@, as they'll get the announce batches >anyway. No adverts on social@, as at present. also sounds good. >3. Complaints about ads to <listname>-admin@ in the first instance. I'm >sure Martyn has suitably big boots if required. Also correct, all complaints should go to the list admins rather than private mail as I have heard that people have flamed others in private for things that are covered in the FAQ. >If there are no objections in a day or two, can the FAQ be updated (Adam, >do >you need me to do the actual CVS changes... email me if so) and I'll >implement the changed policy, updating various messages to reflect it. Ermmm, looks like I will need someone to do the FAQ update for me as I don't have CVS checkout capabilities, as I still don't have a permanent home address or net connection and I can only use a http proxy to get to the outside world at the moment (hence snotmail, and unfortunatly I also need a .net login for M$ support now so at times like this....)anyhow I hope to sort out a permanent place to live soon and will soon have a linux NAT firewall in place at work so should be able to "do" internet things soon, unless I find somewhere else to get proper net access from in the next couple of days. Adam Bower _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

AJS proposed: > Either way. Job postings to ALUG lists: good. Massive commercial blurb in > said postings: bad. This thread: should be dead ;-) I propose: 1. All adverts should go to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, subject to some submission criteria: - plain text only - signature <4 lines - strongly encouraged to put supporting material at a URL - max one per batch 2. No adverts are permitted on main@, as they'll get the announce batches anyway. No adverts on social@, as at present. 3. Complaints about ads to <listname>-admin@ in the first instance. I'm sure Martyn has suitably big boots if required. If there are no objections in a day or two, can the FAQ be updated (Adam, do you need me to do the actual CVS changes... email me if so) and I'll implement the changed policy, updating various messages to reflect it. -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

It seems as though my messages aren't getting through so I'll try again. In defence of the comments about Best. Yes we are members of ATSCO (as are agencies that total about 45% of the total UK marketplace) but we don't support IR35 in any way. In fact we are one of only a handful of companies that are able to provide a project based contract that as far it can be is "IR35 proof". It amazes me that the government seem to have managed to get contractors and agents fighting each other when we should be working together. Gavin > -----Original Message----- > From: MJ Ray [SMTP:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 28 November 2001 11:15 > To: laurie(a)brownowl.com > Cc: Gavin Smith; ALUG List > Subject: Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills > > Laurie wrote: > > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > > reader. > > Laurie, this email was more of a grey area than previous messages, not > being > a "we've got this job" but a "where should we advertise". Of course, you > could still count it as sneaky advertising, as most of the email is > occupied > by their contact details in a non-signature footer, but it can't really be > classed as "spam"/UCE. However, what we saw was you stomping in there > with > the big boots on and threatening them on-list for what appeared an > innocent > message. No explanation of why you classed it as spam was given. > > Please, everyone, if you suspect something of being spam, please contact > the > three of us at main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk and *we'll* get the big boots > on. If you dislike our decision, *then* you can post to the list bitching > about our decision and we'll back down if your opinion is the majority > one. > > I'm inclined to accept job adverts etc into announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, > mainly through the absence of any other material. Would people agree to > that, as long as tough guidelines (eg no sigs, under a certain length, > once > per issue max) were set? > > > Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > > Now this *is* interesting. I also dislike ATSCO because of their handling > of this (even if I think that I broadly agree with the spirit (but not the > letter) of IR35) and I think the only honourable thing for any member to > do > is to either resign or go on record with an open letter objecting to their > handling of the affair. > -- > MJR > Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ > No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ > FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/ **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

> <snip> >> A cruise through the >> > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... >> > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > </snip> Apologies for the .sig, it gets attached somewhere down the line (and fortunately isn't there if I reply to someone) and I keep forgetting about it. Interestingly CF are also a member of ATSCO. Try http://www.pcgroup.org.uk for the website. I'm always interested to hear what people think of agencies, just please try to keep the four letter words out of it. What is the general concensus of opinion? Anyone have any good experiences? Unforutnately it's usually the vocal minority who post negative comments (you need to bear in mind that we have 1000+ contractors working through us). Gavin **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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wu-ftpd security fix
by James 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Another wu-ftpd overflow security fix! Advisory is dated 20th Nov, mirror filedates are 26th http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-157.html Probably a good idea to let people know, as it _is_ on update mirrors. I suppose some folk may still be using wu-ftpd No RHSA email, as per usual. LWN haven't caught on yet. Didn't spot this until I did a routine lookup this morning. --James

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More ALUG server maintenance!
by Martyn Drake 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi folks, Just a brief note to say that all ALUG mailing lists will be unavailable between 11am and 12pm on Monday 3rd of December to perform yet another upgrade of Mailman. This will take us from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8 and fix a few more security holes as well as fixing a few bugs. Regards, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>I need to recruit software engineers with Linux skills for a client in East >Anglia. > >I've tried all the more obvious solutions, jobserve, jobsite etc. > >Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully >received). Argghhh, where were you just over a month ago?? there was at least 3 of us in East Anglia looking for jobs and we all had linux skills!! anyhow we now all have positions but I mainly sent my CV out via jobserve, jobsite, gis-a-job and a few others but the responses from agencys was not great and they *always* promised to call back but it was not unusual to hear nothing for days. I also checked newspapers and registered with a few agencys directly. It seems rather interesting then that agencys are not having much success with the websites along with the candidates though... I don't know of a better system though, any ideas anyone?? Adam Bower _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > >Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon >take a very dim view of spamming... Well Laurie if you had taken the time to look at FAQ which is at http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/alugfaq.html and under the section headed "Is advertising permitted on the list?" you will see that Gavin is fine and within what is allowed. Also I would like to point out that before Gavins first post to the list he emailed me to make sure it was ok and I told him it was only if he kept within the guidelines which he has done. Adam Bower (apologies for using snotmail btw, but i have legitmate reasons....) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

This is the last time I will post. I'm not interested in getting into any sort of slanging match so I apoligise for the overly long signature in my last email. I shan't be posting again. The first time I posted I actually asked whether it was OK to do so. The answer was yes. The second time I posted was to correct the first (I have posted a non- In defence of your comments about Best. Yes we are members of ATSCO (as are a number of other agencies) but we don't support IR35 in any way. In fact we are one of only a handful of companies that are able to provide a project based contract that as far it can be is "IR35 proof". It amazes me that the government seem to have managed to get contractors and agents fighting each other when we should be fighting them. I'm sure there are people who are not happy with the service we have provided them, equally I can provide you with testimonials of people who are. We could probably argue these points ad nauseum. That's enough from me. Gavin > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Brown [SMTP:laurie@brownowl.com] > Sent: 28 November 2001 09:18 > To: MJ Ray > Cc: Gavin Smith; ALUG List > Subject: Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills > > MJ Ray wrote: > > > Laurie Brown wrote: > > > >>Gavin Smith wrote: > >> > >>>Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully > >>>received). > >>> > >>I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > >>Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon > >>take a very dim view of spamming... > >> > > > > Laurie, I think that's a bit harsh. This time he was only asking for > where > > he should advertise, really. I don't have a problem with that and, > > personally, I'd be quite interested to know how people are getting jobs > > right now. Are recruitment agencies still worthwhile? > > > > However, what I do have a problem with is that *huge* signature which > breaks > > all known conventions, obeys no known standards and has no legal effect > > whatsoever. Gavin, if you post again, please do it without the sig. > > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > reader. Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > > Of course, I'll go with the flow if my views are held to be wide of > the majority, and quietly fume. > > Cheers, Laurie. > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laurie Brown > laurie(a)brownowl.com > PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Laurie Brown wrote: > Gavin Smith wrote: > > Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully > > received). > I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon > take a very dim view of spamming... Laurie, I think that's a bit harsh. This time he was only asking for where he should advertise, really. I don't have a problem with that and, personally, I'd be quite interested to know how people are getting jobs right now. Are recruitment agencies still worthwhile? However, what I do have a problem with is that *huge* signature which breaks all known conventions, obeys no known standards and has no legal effect whatsoever. Gavin, if you post again, please do it without the sig. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Move over windows once and for all ??
by Earl Brannigan 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi all, Sorry if this is probably best posted on the social list. Linux on the desktop as a serious contender to M$ is now a reality - IMHO. What has been holding Linux back on the desktop is the learning curve required to install and get it up and running - which is often seen as a major problem to the newbie, together with the availability of the necessary hardware drivers. Well - after nagging a friend of mine for months (a retired headmaster) who was always having problems with his win98 setup - he finally agreed to have a dual boot machine with Linux on to 'try it out'. So we ordered Red Hat 7.2 from cheep linux (first point scored - price : £9.99!!) And off we went to install it onto his second (spare) hard drive. The installer auto-detected everything (Soundblaster 128 PCI Soundcard, Diamond Stealth graphics, even the Hansol Monitor). Within 1/2 an hour we had a beautiful looking 1024/768 GNome/KDE/FVWM/Enlightenment Desktop (second point scored : choices-choices), playing midi files through Timidity, ripping CDs to MP3 with GRIP, KOffice etc etc. He was gobsmacked!! Grub is an excellent bootloader, the highlighted list of installed OSes makes even the simple LILO prompt idiot-proof. The only problem (albeit predictable) was that the PCI Modem (a motorola something or other) wasn't detected. Haven't looked into this one yet but it may be a winmodem or there may be a driver for it. Of course the old caveat still applies - and will for some time - use an external modem or one which you know works under linux. The best moment of the entire evening however was that after rebooting to Windows, (He had to see that Windows hadn't been broken) his first comment was how naff the Win98 desktop actually looked!!(Game Set and Match : Linux LOOKS BETTER). Having spent months getting into the nuts and bolts of Debian (which is excellent - though not for the newbie - yet) and some 4 years as a linux user generally, I have to say that with this release RedHat is so difficult to beat. After half an hour we had a system up and running that I am still miles away from with my Debian installation after months of messing. In fact I'm going to dual boot to RedHat 7.2 myself now. I would recommend to anyone out there considering giving Linux a go, spend the tenner at cheep linux or get someone to burn you a copy - or even support Red Hat and buy the boxed version, you too should be gobsmacked!! Cheers Earl [earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk] www.lindenhouse.co.uk Intellectual : Someone who can spend a whole day locked in a room with a tea cosy without once thinking of trying it on. Highbrow : Someone who can listen to the entire William Tell Overture without once thinking of the Lone Ranger.

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RE: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by Ricardo Campos 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> Hi Ricardo, > Excellent post. That's good, after I sent it I thought "Oh sh*t I hope I don't start a flame war!". It's coming from the perspective from someone who (occasionally, very very occasionally) works on his linux setup rather than go to the pub.Well, I did once, anyway. ;-) I also spent some time unemployed which is when I first started using Redhat 6.1 - which was suggested to me by my friend who is housebound (and now actually bedridden) due to lung disease. We both had the time and the inclination, but we had both been "Windoze power users" -an oxymoron perhaps! I was talking to Mark Ray about this ease-of-use issue on Sunday (after an installation of X failed on my debian HD)- there's a real problem with hardware vendors not releasing driver details- it really holds up the install and applications as well. There are plenty of talented programmers who would write drivers, if hardware vendors would only release the specs. I have the outmost respect for the dedication and skill of Linux developers. It's not mean task! Hopefully- somehow- we'll get there. (And hopefully installing and upgrading WILL be a simply, quick task for all Linux users). :) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

I hope someone in your group will be able to help me. I need to recruit software engineers with Linux skills for a client in East Anglia. I've tried all the more obvious solutions, jobserve, jobsite etc. Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully received). Gavin Smith **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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RE: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by Ricardo Campos 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

>just > accepting of the fact that the world is full of dumbed-down users courtesy > of dumbed-down Redmond, users who need eye candy and pain-free installation > to consider switching and RedHat 7.2 is so far the closest to acheiving It's not just "dumbed-down users" (calling people "dumbed-down users" suggests that they are somehow ignorant, stupid or lazy, which may be true, but such statements tend to reinforce "Linux is elitist" views- sorry if I misunderstood your tone, but here I go).... <RANT> Also remember that the majority of users do not consider computers a 'hobby'. They simply want to sit at a computer, turn it on, send e-mails, browse some porn ;), download and print off digital camera pics, play a game etc, then go to the pub, look after the kids, go to work. Computers are now so commonplace that they are just tools. These people make up the majority of the Western World. (Well, Western Europe and North America). For example, I use a car. A car is fairly complex, and it would be a great idea to know how a car works. But I want to get in it, and drive to work. That is all. I do not want to get in it and realise that in fact I have to rebuild the engine because I bought my petrol from Jet not Esso (cos I thought it was the same stuff anyway). I want to use it. If cars interested me, which they do not in any way, I may wish to spend hours tinkering away. In which case I would buy a kit car anyway. Similarly, I do not want to tinker with my washing machine, mobile phone, TV, video, stereo or central heating. Perhaps idealistically I *should*, but come on, there's more interesting things in life. The real problem with the tinkering thing is that if you're using Linux for home use, your time is short (unless you do not have work, have kids, have other hobbies or a social life). That is not to devalue the disabled, or the unemployed, it is just a statement that most people do not have that circumstance, and the desktop market is for 'most people'. </RANT> So here's to easy installations, here's to linux distro's that can handle USB, the new Mega-wonder video cards, play whizz-bang games, all out of the box, and all after the initial installation! Let the people eat cake! (Of course, keep the server market obscure if the wages are higher because of it. I'll tinker away happily 9-5 if I'm getting paid for it!) :) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by MJ Ray 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> With the really easy install of RH7.2 I wouldn't see a reinstall to upgrade > as a problem. When this machine (or elements of it) becomes my second box > I'd like to try Debian - sounds like even more fun. Indeed, if the install is really that easy (and I'm sceptical given the failed 7.2 upgrade reinstall I did before leaving UEA), it's not a huge impediment, but I'd still rather avoid unnecessary work. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by MJ Ray 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> Having spent months getting into the nuts and bolts of Debian (which is > excellent - though not for the newbie - yet) and some 4 years as a linux > user generally, I have to say that with this release RedHat is so difficult > to beat. After half an hour we had a system up and running that I am still > miles away from with my Debian installation after months of messing. > In fact I'm going to dual boot to RedHat 7.2 myself now. > I would recommend to anyone out there considering giving Linux a go, spend > the tenner at cheep linux or get someone to burn you a copy - or even > support Red Hat and buy the boxed version, you too should be gobsmacked!! What are the particular problems that you are having with Debian? I'm quite prepared to set aside a little time to come and trouble-shoot it for you if it helps, or even just explain things by email if I have access to equivalent parts here. I suspect others are too. Debian is quite nice, but it's still (at 2.2r4) a case of knowing the right parts to install, as the preselected combinations aren't quite up there. Where RedHat still falls down, though, is at upgrade time. The lack of useful support systems for rpm (and indeed, I suspect that these are not possible because of the way rpm files are specified, but I don't have hard proof there) means that an upgrade seems to be effectively a reinstall. Debian is a lot harder to install, really, but you only install it once per machine, generally. -- MJR ,---------------------------------------------------- | Q. Do you need a net-based application developing, | or advice and training about web technology? | A. I suggest you try http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by Edenyard 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:04:52 +0000, Steve Fosdick wrote: > > I hope this isn't teaching grandmother to suck eggs but when > Oh, NO! Far from it! I need all the tuition on egg-sucking that I can get at the moment, especially with Linux. The points that you mentioned were all things that I hadn't considered, so they were all very much worth mentioning. So please carry on with teaching Grandma.... Regarding my complaint about crippled Turboprint - maybe it's just me being very mean. Perhaps I've been spoilt by the extremely open-handed attitude of all the Linux things I've fiddled with so far. Gerald.

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CD Writer Trouble
by Steve Fosdick 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Hi All, I am having trouble with a CD writer, a Yamaha CRW2100S SCSI. Trying to write with this CD writer using cdrdao always aborts with an error at what appears to be the same location on the disk each time (07:52, somewhere in track 6 IIRC) . It does this whether in real write mode or in simulate mode. Trying to write with this CD writer using cdrecord always aborts with an error between track 1 and track 2. I have only tried this in simulate mode. So, the first thing I'd like to know is if people think this is hardware problem, or a compatibility problem between the drivers and the CDR unit? The only driver for cdrdao that seems to do anything useful with this CDR is the mmc-raw driver. When the problem occurs the following output is produced; Starting: cdrdao simulate --remote 7 -v0 --device 1,0,0 --driver generic-mmc-raw:0x0 --buffers 30 /tmp/tocvmhD6b ?: Input/output error. : scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 00 8A BC 00 00 1A 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 06 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 29 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x6 Unit Attention, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x29 Qual 0x00 (power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 2.879s timeout 20s ERROR: Write data failed. ERROR: Writing failed - buffer under run? ERROR: Simulation failed. And dmesg reports: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0) ncr53c810-0:0: ERROR (20:0) (8-28-0) (7/13) @ (script e7c:180008a0). ncr53c810-0: script cmd = 88080000 ncr53c810-0: regdump: da 10 80 13 47 07 00 1f 80 08 80 28 00 00 00 00. ncr53c810-0: have to clear fifos. ncr53c810-0-<0,*>: FAST-10 SCSI 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 7) For cdrecord, cdrecord seems to pick the mmc driver. The error message I get know from it is: cdrecord: Input/output error. read track info: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 52 01 00 00 00 FF 00 00 1C 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 240s Steve.

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RE; [Alug] Colour Printing under Linux
by John Seago 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Perhaps the answer may lie in using the Alien Package converter from: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ which purports to convert packages into acceptable formats for Stampede, Slackware, Debian, or RPM's. Not having used it I can't vouch for it's performance, it seems to be included in Mandrake 8.1 however, so it must work one way at least, or so one would presume. John Seago

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Wireless kit
by Martyn Drake 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Hi folks, Can anybody recommend some cheapo wireless kit for a two machine home network. The "server" is a Red Hat 7.2 box with a USB ADSL modem hooked up with full IP masquerading and iptables firewall in place. The other machine is a laptop running Windows 2000. I'm thinking 3COM, but I'm sure they're going to be an expensive choice. Regards, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by MJ Ray 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Steve Fosdick: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:45:04 Edenyard wrote: > > Have you actually ever installed CUPS? I first of all tried Yes. I didn't like it and removed it. It was far too much of an "all in one and don't ask what goes on inside" solution for me. > [...] When you convert the > rpm to a tgz that isn't going to happen - you'll get the files > installed on the filesystem but no setup done. If the tgz is a slackware package, this isn't true. Of course, there are many differences between RH and slackware that may trip it up, as you correctly note. > It's up to the writer(s) of Turboprint if they give you > the source code or if they demand money to use the software. > It's up to you if you accept their conditions or choose > something else. Something else! Something else! ;-) Actually, if you get the source under a Free licence and it's being a troublesome printer, it may well be worth paying them. -- MJR

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Owen can't make Sundays meeting
by Adam Bower 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Hi people, I spoke to Owen briefly yesterday afternoon and he has asked me to tell the list that he will not be able to make the meeting on Sunday and therefore there will be no talk on IPC. He has told me that he will do the talk sometime in the future, the reason that he can't come is because of some personal commitments. As for my talk on Debian, I don't currently have either a phoneline or computer in my current home in London so any chance of doing anything Debian related is not so easy. I am hoping to move out soon and get to a broadband serviced area though so things will (hopefully) be resolved then and I will then work on getting a talk together for next year. The reason above BTW is why I have not been active on list for some time as I can't get ssh out and don't have a linux box yet (I got the goahead on Friday for a linux firewall/ipmasq/fileserver/mailserver/whatever... box) so should be back on list soon. Adam -- Adam "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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