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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

David: > >Speaking of .... anyone want Debian 2.2r4 CDs? > I stupidly lost the one MJ gave me (thankfully post-install at home), so I'd > love one... I've not had any 2.2r4 ones, as they're not that old. I'd quite welcome one too, just as there's always someone to give them to. ;-) -- MJR

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Debian CDs
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

I hope to have real silver copies of some official Debian CDs at Sunday's meeting, if they get here in time. They'll be 2.2r3, but there isn't *too* much difference from r4, so it should be a relative quick update (definitely less than an hour at modem speed). Suggested donation amount and numbers are as yet unconfirmed, but it would be a great way to support the Debian project with some much-needed funds. http://www.uk.debian.org/ -- MJR

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PPPD Problems
by Earl Brannigan 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I'm running Debian Potato with an Intel Ham Modem. Using either pon/poff or wvdial I seem to get the same problem after dialling. The modem connects and makes plenty of noise. with wvdial : After connection I get : 'Looks like a login prompt sending <username>' then : 'Looks like a password prompt sending <password>' then after a second or 2 'Don't know what to do, starting pppd and hoping for the best' pppd starts but after a few seconds it 'gives up' and terminates. Looking in the log I can see the call to pppd<-->/dev/ham then (I have debugging turned on) after a few lines pppd 'detects loopback' and terminates. It appears that when pppd attaches to the modem it thinks that 'the serial device is looped back'. (if I send 'ATZ'>/dev/ham the modem clicks satisfyingly...) and it is properly set up because sometimes it works!!!! - this is the annoying thing, last night it connected first time and I surfed for half hour, then when I tried a little later (even after reboots) it went back to the previous state. lsmod shows all of the relevant modules loaded, /etc/ppp/<files> all appear to be in order ... stuck! The best thing is that wvdial and pppd must die in a nasty way. ps shows them, killall -TERM doesn't kill them which leaves a kill -9 as the only way to get rid of them. if I rmmod all of the relevant modules then restart the whole process all of the modules are reloaded etc... as should be pon gives the same log output but there is no detail on the screen. poff afterwards gives an error that pppd is not running. Really starting to do my head in - as well as probably costing me a small packet in 5p a shot aborted phone-calls. I Have 2 ISP Accounts - freeserve and uklinux (with a few optional numbers), both of which experience the same problem. Has anyone had anything similar or can you suggest a possible cause .. Cheers Earl [earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk] www.lindenhouse.co.uk Intellectual : Someone who can spend a whole day locked in a room with a tea cosy without once thinking of trying it on. Highbrow : Someone who can listen to the entire William Tell Overture without once thinking of the Lone Ranger.

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Mark Elliss: > I found that just dropping the plugin into Mozilla's plugin directory > simply did not work. Using the link it works a treat. ...and I found it did, but I'm not using a standalone JRE. I don't know if that's the difference. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by Ricardo Campos 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> Do not copy libjavaplugin_oji.so directly to >mozilla's plugin directory. Strangely enough, there isn't one! I don't have netscrape 6, so I'll have to grep libjavaplugin_oji.so, should be OK. Are there any weird permissions for the ~/.mozilla/plugin/ directory? (or is it ~/.mozilla/plug-in/ , etc.) Hopefully I'll be able to mkdir the directory and chmod 755 it? Or is there another way I need to do this? (Unfortunately I do not have access to my linux box right now) Thanks for the help! Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Distributions
by Andrew Savory 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see who uses what? I'll start the ball rolling: 6 Debian Intel (all manner of junk from 486 to P3) and 1 Debian Alpha. Andrew. [1] http://lwn.net//2001/1115/#dist

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Re: [Alug] Big disks and BIOS
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> Depends if you want to boot off the disk or not. I found I was unable to > boot from my 34gb disk, but that I could mount it and use it just fine in > Linux after booting from another disk. It *should* be possible to boot from it, as long as the boot partition is near the start of the disk (for some value of "near"). -- MJR

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Re: Python + Perl = Parrot
by Lucy McWilliam 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Owen Synge wrote: > I have been looking up a bit of python, (trying to find idle) and stumbled > across an april's fools joke that got me this year. > http://www.oreilly.com/news/parrotstory_0401.html http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm - the original joke http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/09/18/parrot.html - the bytecode intepreter http://www.parrotcode.org I have to admit it got me too. Parrot is now the virtual machine for Perl 6. L. "Everybody knows badger likes mashed potato."

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Big disks and BIOS
by Edenyard 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Can anyone set me straight on the situation regarding large HDs and (early) BIOS limitations? I seem to remember a limit of 8.4Gb for 486 and early 586 BIOSes, but does that mean that HDs > 8.4Gb won't work at all on these motherboards, or will the space above 8.4Gb just be unreachable? I know that one can get special drivers to overcome the limit, but this is going to be for Linux mainly, so the possibility of using a DOS driver doesn't exist. The problem is that I need a new HD and all I see for sale these days seem to start at around 20Gb. I don't mind buying 20Gb so long as I know that I can use 8.4Gb of it! Any clues or enlightenment, as always, very welcome - thanks! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> I've been able to activate my Java VM plug-in in > Netscape, but can't seem to do this in Mozilla. [...] The simplest way is to go and download the Java VM plug-in for Netscape 6 with Mozilla. It's a large download, though, so if you're talking about Netscape 6, you could try copying the java2 and libjavaplugin_oji.so to Mozilla's plugins dir, but that might not work. HTH -- MJR

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Dead Rat 7.1 Box Set for Sale/Grabs
by Martyn Drake 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi folks, If anybody is interested in a Red Hat 7.1 box set for sale, and doesn't mind forking out £20 + £3.50 for postage and packing, then it's yours. Nine CDs, manuals and stickers and all in good condition. Now that Red Hat 7.2 is out, I no longer have any use for it. If anybody is interested in it, please can they email me off the list. Regards, Martyn

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Slackware 8
by John Seago 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Some time ago someone asked where they could buy a boxed set of slackware 8 as they wanted the slackware book in addition to the disks. Having bought Slackware 8 disks form Linux Emporium, I also wanted the book, I bought it from the Slackware Web-site, I ordered on a Thursday and it arrived the following Tuesday. I hope this is of some help. John Seago

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Distributions
by Peter Bassill 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

IN response: RedHat 7.2 on Dell Inspiron 8100 and all other manner of machinary. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Savory [mailto:lists@andrewsavory.com] Sent: 19 November 2001 15:43 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Distributions Hi all, There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see who uses what? I'll start the ball rolling: 6 Debian Intel (all manner of junk from 486 to P3) and 1 Debian Alpha. Andrew. [1] http://lwn.net//2001/1115/#dist _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by Ricardo Campos 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> > Come to think of it, perhaps I'll leave the Debian install till the > > meeting, it seems there are a fair few Debian fans around here :^) Well, _I_ was thinking of that too! So perhaps we can get an install going in tandem (I have 2.2r3 discs). But that means I'm gonna have to buy a new HD... ££££! I use Mandrake 8.0 on my desktop (Duron), and Redhat 6.1 on my laptop (AMD 486-yay!), although I don't really use my laptop for anything at the moment! If people are willing to help with a Debian install (rather than just laugh at me, you're allowed to do it *as well*, just not on it's own-that's *my* job!), then I'll lug (pardon the pun) my desktop to the meeting. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Python + Perl = Parrot
by oms101＠freeuk.com 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I have been looking up a bit of python, (trying to find idle) and stumbled across an april's fools joke that got me this year. http://www.oreilly.com/news/parrotstory_0401.html Hope you enjoy the story of Parrot Regards Owen Synge Date: 20-Nov-01 Time: 23:36:45

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Re: [Alug] Burning Linux CDs under Windoze
by MJ Ray 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> >�By any chance do you know of a freeware cd-burning program for Windows > >�that will do the job? ISTR "Nero", but I'm sure this is covered in the burning howto on http://www.linuxiso.org/ > BTW The BDI image referred to is a bastardized RH6.x distro. Updated, I trust? -- MJR

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Mozilla plug-ins
by Ricardo Campos 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I've been able to activate my Java VM plug-in in Netscape, but can't seem to do this in Mozilla. I've checked www.mozilla.org, but it doesn't seem to have the info. Do I have to set an environment variabel like in Netscape? Does anyone know what it is? I prefer Mozilla, for some reason!! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Burning Linux CDs under Windoze
by Paul 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

Hi Folks I have received a question on burning bootable CDs under Windows. This is something I have never done...... Can anyone help with an answer. > I have downloaded the BDI image but have no cd burner, so a friend is > going to make a disk for me. The only trouble is that neither of us is > quite sure how to get the image on the cd in the right place, ie. as a > bootable image rather than a file. I should say that this is true for > Windoze; I do know how to do it in Linux with dd but the cd burner is of > course on another computer. > > By any chance do you know of a freeware cd-burning program for Windows > that will do the job? > > tnx, BTW The BDI image referred to is a bastardized RH6.x distro. Regards, Paul.

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by MJ Ray 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> I just released there is an ALUG meeting planned for next weekend at UEA. > Is this still going ahead? Who's planning to attend? I'll be there, but what are we doing? I think the room in question has a number of small tables, so we can probably have some small talks on particular topics as well as the normal "kit rush". People who are interested in the talks can just sit down while the rest of them use kit on one edge of the room. Sounds OK? Owen, are you doing a talk? I'd quite like to talk to some people about the plans for Free Software in this country. What time shall we aim to start the talks at? 1430? I'm travelling from King's Lynn, as always, and probably setting off just after noon. If anyone reasonably near the main routes wants transport to/from, please email me privately. Three seats available. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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UPS - confused
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

Hi All, Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between using apcd and powerd? I'm trying to set up a smart UPS 700 . Seems that you have to run them in dumb mode, so I guess I can only get the box to shut down rather than reboot? Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Owen: > can't get it to work properly) I hate debian's way of building kernels, why > not the same as everyone else? I think you'll find other distributions do different things if you want to build it as a package. Some are more painful. Debian's is OK once you've done it a few times and you keep your revisions and flavours apart. > and is fakeroot a security hole ?? Hard to see how it could be, as it's designed to fool the system into thinking it's root when it's not, rather than the other way round. No elevated privleges required. -- MJR

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Dave Crease - Biographical notes!
by David Crease 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I have no serious or professional use for Linux, I just like the idea of a free operating system and software that is in the hands of the users. As this may indicate I am an old hippy who graduated in Chemistry in the 1960s, taught at various levels for many years and at the age of 59 have ended up as the Brewing Manager at Woodforde's Brewery. I've been using computers since the 1960's starting with a Stantec Zebra but my knowledge of them is very fragmented. I have Redhat7 on a AMD Athlon, tucked away in a partition so that my wife can use the Windows stuff. I have no special interests in using Linux. I am just intrigued by the whole thing. When and where is the next meeting, please? Dave Crease

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RE: Distributions
by Peter Delf 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Okay, Here goes. I use Debian 2.2r4 (from linux123.co.uk, don't think i'll use them again, my 2.2r2 cheeplinux.com CDs are much prettier) on both my desktop and laptop computers. I've upgraded both to a 2.4.X kernel to provide better support for things like CD writers and USB. The desktop is a custom built AMD K6 2-400 w/128mb RAM and the rest. The laptop is a Toshiba Satelite 4070CDT. Very proud of getting all the hardware in my laptop working, including the Lucent winmodem and USB ports! Pete Pete www.crawl-space.org.uk p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk

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IRC #alug uk.openprojects.net:8001 8pm onwards
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I don't see the meeting announcement today, but I'll be a little late returning to IRC. It'd be great to see some people now when I finally remember to be there ;-) If you've not been there before, try http://lists.alug.org.uk/pipermail/main/2001-November/000685.html -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

> There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of > different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be > kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see > who uses what? Debian wherever I go. Recently (last few months), about 7 Intel installs and 1 Sparc. My home machine in Debian Intel. Only the Palm isn't. Anyone want to set up a distribution poll page where we can all try to honestly log out distribution distributions? -- MJR

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