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Re: [Alug] Apache mod_perl - Does it have the perl interpreter build into mod_perl or does it load it from elsewhere
by MJ Ray 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Steve Fosdick: > With a web server with mod_perl available, is the perl interpreter itself > embedded in the mod_perl.so module, or does mod_perl.so load the perl > interpreter from some external source, e.g. a libperl.so that is part of > the systems normally perl installation. "It depends." If you're just using the normal perl you get with most distributions, then I think mod_perl has most of the perl interpreter inside it. If you're using a perl built as the mod_perl docs instruct you to, then it's nearly all loaded in from a shared library. To be safe, recompile your mod_perl or install the two perls side-by-side. -- MJR

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I'm looking for suggestions
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

I want to upgrade my relatively elderly machine ( dual 233 Mhz pentiums) but it will probably mean that I won't be able to use my ISA modem as there are no ISA slots on modern boards. I want to avoid using an external modem. So I'm thinking of using an even older machine as a firewall/gateway into which I can fit my modem and a network card and then connect to the internet via that. I am running KDE 1.something and use a little utility called kpppload which displays a small window showing transfer rates in figures and as a graph continuously updated. I would feel lost without this as, if transfers stop, this little window tells me at a glance that rates are down to zero and it gives an indication if transfer rates are slower than they should be. If I set up this gateway as proposed it will not have X and therefore no little kpppload window. Is there any way of displaying data transfer rates on a standard console in a similar fashion (the graph is not essential) ? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Barry Samuels

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Translating source code
by Paul 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Hi Folks Reading through a source file in preparation to port the code, I find half the comments are in Italian (I think). My knowledge of foreign languages is worse than C++, so I ran some of it through one of the free translation sites. Barely readable, and I *think* I now understand the comments but.... /* Se e' il primo ingresso nella procedura e ho letto un solo byte, allora e' arrivato lo 0x0F di risposta all-inizializzazione del touch controlloer */ /* Sto gia' leggendo un pacchetto normale */ Fed into www.freetranslations.com and it becomes: /* If it is the first entrance in the procedure and I have read an alone one byte, then is arrived the 0x0F to answer all-inizializzazione of the touch controlloer */ /* I Am gia' reading a normal packet */ Ain't Linux fun <g> Regards, Paul.

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SE30
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Has anyone ever heard of an SE30? It's a tiny old all-in-one mac, with monochrome display and a 40M hard drive. My bro' is interested in installing linux on it. Then using to send/ receive mail. Possible? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] How do I...
by MJ Ray 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> I'm trying to parse some info into a webpage from the logfiles. > which I 'm not having too many problems with. My problem is how do I add a > <BR> at the end of each line or prevent the browser from wrapping the > text.. What language, please, or do you mean wrap='soft' on a textarea? -- MJR

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How do I...
by Simon Parkes 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Hi guys.. I'm trying to parse some info into a webpage from the logfiles. which I'm not having too many problems with. My problem is how do I add a <BR> at the end of each line or prevent the browser from wrapping the text.. Simon

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Re: [Alug] Linux server distro's
by Ricardo Campos 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> FYI, it is possible to get broadband connections with RJ-45 presentation, > rather than USB Yup, they've asked for RJ45 instead. > Furthermore, check with the broadband provider if you can host the specific > services you need on their network. I would guess they block port 80 (for > web servers) at a minimum. Turns out they're ditching that idea anyhoo, it's just going to be a Debian based *internal* fileserver, and a router for the broadband conn. As a side note, I have in my grubby little hands, an 18GB SCSI Hard drive and an Adaptec AHA-2940U2W SCSI card, only the connector on the HD doesn't seem to fit any of the cables we have. It's about 2 1/4 inches wide (5.5cm), and very thin. It's wider than a normal High Density Male 68 pin. Does anyone recognise this kind of connection? We have no documentation (hell, we don't even know where it came from) and it's not the normal kind of connector I'm used to! >:-/ Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Windows XP and Linux - dual boot
by Ricardo Campos 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> Does anyone have experience in dual booting between Windows XP and Linux? I > understand it is not possible to resize a NTFS partition (so I'll have to > use partition magic to do it), but what about configuring Lilo? If it's anything like NT4/5, you'll probably need to install LILO on hda6, or wherever your root partition is. Darned NTLoader! I use xosl ( www.xosl.org ) to get round this- it's a truly lovely program, but as it's not in the least bit confusing it's not in all people tastes >;) I boot into XOSL, then choose Linux, or, if I *REALLY HAVE TO*, into Win98 or Windows 2000. The downside is that you'd need to create a partition for it lie on if your primary partition isn't FAT/FAT32(the documentation's really good but I don't have to hand). Again, Partition Magic or somesuch maybe needed. I found an article on dual booting Linux with Windows 2000 pro, and the issues surrounding NTFS and linux booting (no mention of partitioning: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/reviews_other_00011.asp Ricardo PS. I tried Windows XP at my friends house, and it gave me nightmares about giant Mickey Mouses taking over the world-they had the Bill's face and big ears. bluurgh! It really makes me want to puke! And all that registration s**t! AAAARGH!!!! Anyhoo, aren't there lots of lovely Macs at Turton? Much nicer! (When I win the lottery, I think I'll buy a G4) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] SE30
by syd＠toufol.com 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

As far as I remember the SE30 was one of the early 68000 Macs. In which case probably only mklinux is likely to support it. Having said that, the SE30 is very underpowered, possibly the equivalent of a 286, and may not be particularly useful for anything. The classic all-in-one cases do make very good aquariums and plant display cases though - plenty of web sites around to help with that :) Syd >Has anyone ever heard of an SE30? It's a tiny old all-in-one mac, with >monochrome display and a 40M hard drive. >My bro' is interested in installing linux on it. Then using to send/ >receive mail. Possible? >Jen. > > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Thanx 4 the help
by nicky 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

thx 4 the help with the netwotking issue ppl. now you are going to hate me....! all i need working now is my USB. in mandrake 8.1 it is supported but i prefure mandrake 8.0 and it dose not seem to work. is there a way i could use the USB support from MDK 8.1 cd rom to alow my USB to work under MDK 8.0 i have got 2 linux books but they seem to hard to follow as they dont seem to cover what i want hardwhere wise. nicky

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RE: [Alug] Linux server distro's
by Chris Glover 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

Hi Ricardo, www.scan.co.uk is the URL you need. Goto products and then hard drives, and scroll down to near the bottom, you'll find it listed as a SCA to 68pin/50pin Combo Converter. Scan charge £10 for delivery, so it might be worth you're while looking at the today only page as well :-) Word of warning, Scan are great on price, but hopeless if you want to send anything back. It took a month to get some faulty Ram exchanged, but I have bought lots of other stuff with no problem. If you're interested in setting up software RAID, it's fairly easy to do. Just partition the disks you want to RAID with partition type fd (Linux RAID autodetect) and create /etc/raidtab. Mine looks like this :- raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level 0 persistent-superblock 1 chunk-size 16 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 device /dev/sda1 raid-disk 0 device /dev/sdb1 raid-disk 1 Where sda1 and sdb1 are the SCSI disks, but you can use IDE disks, or even a parallel port Zip drive (OK, I was bored!). Then type mkraid /dev/md0 then mkfs -t ext2 /dev/md0 Assuming you have the correct module for your SCSI card loaded, it should detect the raid array at boot up. If not type raidstart /dev/md0 Hope that helps Chris Chris *************************************************************************** E Mail Chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk WWW http://www.glovercc.clara.co.uk ICQ 18054759 Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -Anon > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricardo Campos [mailto:corez23@linuxmail.org] > Sent: 15 November 2001 09:07 > To: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk > Subject: RE: [Alug] Linux server distro's > > > > If the connector on your SCSI drive is a very long thin one > that looks like > > a flat printer cable connector, it is probably an SCA > connector. Scan sell > > SCA to 50/68pin SCSI adapters for approx. #15 plus VAT > > You got it- I just d/l the manual from the IBM site (god bless > the internet), and indeed it appears to be an 80 pin SCA-2 > connector. Sounds just right. What's the URL for Scan ? That's an > amazing price, especially if the cables support LVD (and > apparently they don't all do that). I can't seem to find that > kind of cable elsewhere-although I've only had a cursory look for 20 mins. > > Thanks for the help! > Ricardo > -- > > Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > Powered by Outblaze > >

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Linux server distro's
by Ricardo Campos 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Hi all. I had an amazing time last weekend talking to some friends who are programmers. (One programs PS2 games for SONY, the other is porting "a web browser" to work on "a portable device"- all very hush-hush). Obviously, I thought- Linux needs these guys (well, guy and girl). Anyhoo, they asked me to find out some info for them in regards to Linux servers, as they are getting broadband internet soon. It's roles would be: firewall/router and MP3 file server (they also make music). I guess they may want to serve MP3's using an FTP package, and resumable downloads may be a priority, as they would be serving dial-up users. I would imagine they would use a dedicated server, of minor spec (their last one was called Plank, and in fact, really was a plank of wood with a motherboard nailed onto it!). Not sure whether it's ADSL or Cable they're going for, but I suspect that the connection will be USB, which would necessitate a higher kernel version than most reliable/stable distro's supply be default. (They have UNIX experience, compiling a new kernel shouldn't be a problem for them). Given these requirements, does anyone have any suggestions/opinions? I'm telling them to look at Smoothwall, Engarde, E-Smith, Trustix and Immunix, at the end of the day they'll have to decide... Ricardo PS. Sorry I can't change my line wrapping, I use web-based mail, although I have asked the provider if they can... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Linux server distro's
by MJ Ray 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Ricardo: > Anyhoo, they asked me to find out some info for them in regards to Linux ser > vers, as they are getting broadband internet soon. It's roles would be: firew > all/router and MP3 file server (they also make music). I guess they may want > to serve MP3's using an FTP package, and resumable downloads may be a priorit > y, as they would be serving dial-up users. Well, you can either use any normal machine with a slightly upgraded kernel for USB (I hear that the BT snotball modem works with 2.2.20), a normal FTPd like proftpd and then use ipchains or iptables to firewall, masq and route (so I guess 2.4.x would be better, because iptables are better). Or you can use a dedicated firewall distribution like Gibraltar, but it might be harder to install an ftp server on it, as firewalls are meant to be secure and anonymous ftp servers aren't! Whatever you get, something with easy/ automatic updates would be good. I'm afraid I still have to say don't use Smoothwall. There seem to be some very worrying noises and moves coming from that project, who still don't seem to have got their head around the GPL. Their project leader has also attacked various prominent UK Linux proponents in the past. (Richard Morrell, if you read this, remember: you email me, I report you to your service provider. I am not putting up with that sort of abuse again. Everyone else: sorry, but he's emailed me as a result of ALUG list posts before.) -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] Why I am interested in Linux
by Syd Hancock 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

>Dabs seem to be the same sort of prices. Dabs are very good but do they sell s/h kit which is what someone was looking for? I thought they were new only. Mind you the anglianinternet site is wierd and does not always display all the links including those to the s/h stuff in all browsers. There should be a sidebar frame on the left with eleven links plus a phone number. Having said that, I've just checked the site and the PII system boxes for 65 quid that I saw last week have all gone. There are P200s for 75GBP inc NIC plus 25GBP for a cdrom drive. Syd

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Hi all.
by Paul Russell 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Hey all, Apols for decreasing the signal to noise ratio here, but since there are quite a number of people here who might remember me, I thought I'd better give you a heads up and let you know I'm back. As an aside, there was some discussion a while back about distributed.net, I gather. I'm currently attempting to recover my old distributed.net accounts so that I can carry on crunching. Anyone happen to remember my password or have access to a Paul.Russell(a)uea.ac.uk address? ;) Was there anything in particular people wanted done with d.net? Paul.

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Why I am interested in Linux
by e.chinnery 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Thank you for being extremely quick Martyn. Why am I interested in Linux. I am increasingly fed up with reliability problems with MS OS's. Only this very night I had a problem that partly resulted from problems with ntlworld that prevented retrieval of emails and logging on. Whilst the email retrieval was in progress I was disconnected and my PC world still be trying to accomplish this. I Think that I only just managed to 'restart' on the 'shut down' dialogue box before every thing 'freezing up'. Enough said about that man and his whimsies known as widows. It is something new. It really does seem like the pioneering spirit of the late 70's & early 80's. Not as spectacular as California in those times but quite subtle. An international movement made up of poeple outside mainstream OS supplies which most poeple would say there is only one. It is a Historical fact that most important inventions have come from those who are outside the mainstream industrial and commercial institutions i.e. the first PC, the first Apple computers, prototypes in a garage. It also might be the rebel in me that is suspicious of globalisation and wants a way of striking out at a monolithic global coporation and that man with his gawky looking hair and glasses. Enough said I interested in installing Linux on a an older system for word processing and basic things like that. Indeed I have seen in Micro Mart dealers stocking old P200 boxes not much above the 100 mark. I believe installation to be not as difficult as it may seem but not as easy as MS. Also a better chance of drivers being available enough said. And lets all get that man. May penguins rule the world! Bye for now from Edmund Chinnery

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Re: [Alug] Why I am interested in Linux
by MJ Ray 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Edmund, can you please post in plain text only? Everyone else, I'm terribly sorry, but it seems like we've lost the attachment filters. I'll take a look and see if I can rewrite them this evening. -- MJR

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Mailman Upgrade on the 14th (tomorrow)
by Martyn Drake 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Hi, Just a quick note to let everybody know that Mailman (the list server software that powers ALUG) will be upgraded tomorrow morning. This will result in some downtime while I perform a backup, upgrade the existing installation, and perform a few tests of the upgraded Mailman. This should not result in a downtime longer than 10 minutes. Upgrade is due to take place around 10am and finish around 10:10. I would be grateful if nobody could post anything to the list, or use the web interface during this time. Many thanks, Martyn Drake ALUG Systems Admin -- Email : martyn(a)drake.org.uk Web : http://www.drake.org.uk Web : http://www.martyn-drake.info

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Re: [Alug] Linux networking
by MJ Ray 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Nicky: > anyone possible tell me where to put this C code in order to get the NIC work > ing... 9 times out of 10, you shouldn't need to use the C code. It's just a case of enabling the right driver. If you tell us what sort of network card it is, someone on the list may be able to tell you what to do to make it work with Mandrake. By the way, can you switch line wrap on in your email client, please? 72 chars or thereabouts. Thanks! -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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autoconf book
by Lincoln, Michael C 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Can anyone recommend a good book on GNU autoconf? Thanks, Mike

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Linux networking
by nicky 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Hello could any possible help me with a networking issue. iv been useing windows for some years now untill the othere mouth when a friend of mine introduced me to linux mandrake 8.0 . which im finding to be a much better OS than windows... so as im very very very new with useing linux i was woundering weather anyone could help me on where to install my drivers for my PCI netwotk card i have a C scource on the instulations disk but thats all its got under the linux folder on the floppy so could anyone possible tell me where to put this C code in order to get the NIC working... nick

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Linux networking
by nicky 13 Nov '01

13 Nov '01

Hello could any possible help me with a networking issue. iv been useing windows for some years now untill the othere mouth when a friend of mine introduced me to linux mandrake 8.0 . which im finding to be a much better OS than windows... so as im very very very new with useing linux i was woundering weather anyone could help me on where to install my drivers for my PCI netwotk card i have a C scource on the instulations disk but thats all its got under the linux folder on the floppy so could anyone possible tell me where to put this C code in order to get the NIC working... nick

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Re: [Alug] Missing Daily Digests
by MJ Ray 12 Nov '01

12 Nov '01

> that they weren't getting anything on some days. It could be that it's just > the numbering that confusing me, (easily done, confusing a drug sodden > cripple I mean). Martyn, can you shed any light on the numbering system? I've noticed with the social digests that they don't seem to be in strict sequence. MJR -- MJR

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Looking for a low-cost Linux based single board computer
by Chris Allen 12 Nov '01

12 Nov '01

Hi everyone, I am trying to get hold of a low-cost (<£100) single board computer that will run embedded Linux. This will be a project for a major blue-chip company, and will be an excellent leap forward if we can use Linux instead of a cheap windows pc-based solution. If anybody knows of a company selling this sort of thing, preferably in the UK, I'd be glad to hear from them. I have looked at linuxdevices.com, and embeddedlinux.com, both of which are strong on documentation, but weak on where I can actually buy boards from...

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Re: [Alug] Missing Daily Digests
by MJ Ray 12 Nov '01

12 Nov '01

John Seago: > Last week I only received digests 81, 82, 84 and 85, (if there was a > digest for Sunday then that did not arrive either), I know of two other > list members who did not get some of the messages, was there some problem? > Or is this something else I have managed to break? I think it's been relatively quiet on the list this weekend and I've not had any reports of problems from the system. I'm not sure whether the numbers run in any particularly good order. If you visit the list archives (URL at foot), do you see messages that you didn't get? -- MJR

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