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Anitvirus...
by Simon Parkes 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Hi list.... Can anyone recommend an Antivirus solution for Linux, running Sendmail ? Simon

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Sundays meeting - who wanted a lift from Norwich?
by Syd Hancock 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Hoping to be there although I should really be doing other things. I seem to remember that someone was asking for a lift from Norwich or somewhere nearby? Or, to rephrase it, does anyone want a lift from Norwich or anywhere nearby (on the southern side of the town at least)? Syd

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Re: [Alug] Sundays meeting
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

OK, so that's who isn't coming. Who else is coming? Hopefully, details as far as they're known are on http://www.alug.org.uk/ now, but more will be added tonight if you tell me, please. -- MJR

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Meeting 4 Nov...
by Simon.Parkes＠worldspan.com 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

OK for the gates there will be a swat team available to help get equipment over, or you can drive up and they will open automatically, whichever is your preference !!!! Directions....

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Meeting on 4th Nov- agenda?
by Ricardo Campos 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

What's the agenda? the http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ site always times out on me. Although I got MDK 8.0 up and running, I'd like to install Deb 2.2r3 (I have the disks). Unfortunately, I tried to install 2 times already- both failed for different reasons. It would be great if someone could lend a hand there. I have a 4 port hub I can bring- I really can't get away with taking the other hubs (all 40 ports worth) away from work as they're mucho £££££- specially as they're being installed on the monday. I should be able to bring a crossover cable and some other cat 5 cables, but it would be helpful if people brought their own too. Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Taking the Plunge - recompiling the kernel
by Edenyard 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:24:08 +0000, Toby Jaffey wrote: > The bit you seem to have missed is linking (ln) or copying the kernel > includes (in linux/include/linux and linux/include/asm) to /usr/include. > Have a look at these guides: > http://alge.anart.no/linux/robotti/kernel-compile-guide > http://linuxfaq.quartz.net.nz/node86.html > Many thanks for that timely advice! I had another go this morning, having set the symlinks for asm, linux & scsi and - lo and behold - it all worked without further ado. Kernel compiled and is now installed. Even better news - now the USB camera that I pestered so many people over works with Slackware and the new kernel, too. Thanks again to everyone here who contributed to this advancement! Gerald.

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Re: Meeting 4 Nov...
by jh Atkinson 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Simon.Parkes(a)worldspan.com wrote, asking me, John Atkinson, to get it out. > Here it is, can you forward it onto the list for me please.. > > Simon Parkes > E-Commerce Server Engineer > Worldwide Technical Operations Group > Worldspan Services Ltd. > Office Tel: +44 (0) 208 745 9012. > Office Fax: +44 (0) 208 745 1878 > Home Office Tel +44 (0) 1638 552864 > Home Office Fax: +44 (0)1638 552865 > Fax to E-mail +44 (0) 703 1152199 > Mobile:- +44 (0) 7970 006076 > E-Mail :- simon.parkes(a)worldspan.com > > ----- Forwarded by Simon Parkes/WSL/WSP on 30/10/2001 19:24 ----- > > Simon Parkes > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > 30/10/2001 cc: > 07:28 Subject: Meeting 4 Nov... > > > > OK for the gates there will be a swat team available to help get equipment > over, or you can drive up and they will open automatically, whichever is > your preference !!!! > > Directions.... > > >From Newmarket, follow signs for Cheveley, on entering Cheveley, take first > right up "High Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after > phone box on right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive > BIG HOUSE... Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From Cambridge, follow signs for Newmarket (I'd suggest A1303), at the > first set of traffic lights (nr Nightclubs) in Newmarket turn RIGHT and > follow road for about 3 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up > "High Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From Ely A11, follow signs for Newmarket , go straight across all > roundabouts (3), turn left at "T" junction (Pub on left) and follow road > for about 2 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up "High > Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From A14 Bury St Edmunds direction , take first turn off A14 signposted > Newmarket (after the Tuddenham junction), follow road for about 5 miles, at > lights bear left into Newmarket. At next roundabout (Clocktower on it) > turn left, follow road, turn left at "T" junction (Pub on left) and follow > road for about 2 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up "High > Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > I think that about does it, power points.. There should be plenty > available.... Tables, in process of sorting out, Tea and coffee... > Sorted (small donation to my mum for providing would be nice though).... > Apart from that... The pool heating is off so if you do want to go for a > swim take a thermal wet suit !!!! > > http://www.simon-parkes.co.uk/parents.html for an idea of the place..... > > If any more information is needed please give me a shout... If better > directions are required... errrr I'll see what I can do, post code is CB8 > 9DG .....And the place is called Fittocks House (not Fittocks Stud).... > > Simon Parkes > E-Commerce Server Engineer > Worldwide Technical Operations Group > Worldspan Services Ltd. > Office Tel: +44 (0) 208 745 9012. > Office Fax: +44 (0) 208 745 1878 > Home Office Tel +44 (0) 1638 552864 > Home Office Fax: +44 (0)1638 552865 > Fax to E-mail +44 (0) 703 1152199 > Mobile:- +44 (0) 7970 006076 > E-Mail :- simon.parkes(a)worldspan.com

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Re: [Alug] permissions
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Mat B wrote: >Dunno if this will help your problem, but there is an option in smb.conf >called >'force create mode' >You bung it in with the other properties of the share and set it to whatever >you want the permissions >to be on files that are 'created' on the samba share, eg. 'force create mode >= 0755'. >Theres a more detailed blurb in the smb.conf man page. Perfect! Many thanks. Jen

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RE: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Peter Delf 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

>From: "Edenyard" <mail(a)edenyard.co.uk> >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:12:59 +0000 >To: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> >CC: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy > >On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:29 +0100, MJR wrote: > >> Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things >> exist, but I don't have one. >> > > I've looked in all the usual places, but they all seem to say 2.2.xx >for Debian. That's the frustrating thing: one hears how good Debian is, >but can't try it! I wondered whether it's possible to take a >distribution (e.g., Debian) and install it with another kernel?? I don't >know enough about how all the different bits of Linux fit together to >know whether this is a sensible suggestion. > > Gerald. Check out http://www.uk.debian.org/News/2001/20010415 it's an article on what to add to your sources.list to upgrade to a 2.4.X kernel. I've done it on both my laptop and desktop computers and they run fine now (with proper USB support! yea!). I won't include a summary as i recommend you read all the instructions listed there. A small word of warning though, the apt source is unofficial so therefore it is unsupported, but the maintainer is a registered Debian developer so it's all pretty well maintained. The source addresses start http://people.debian.org/~bunk/ Pete Pete www.crawl-space.org.uk p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk

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Locked Directories-MDK8.0- answer!!!!
by Ricardo Campos 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

ALL credit must go to Syd on this one. You're an absoloute star- there's a pint with your name on it!!!!!!! In a terminal:- su (give password) supermount -i disable umount /mnt/cdrom umount /mnt/floppy mount -a supermount -i enable (optional: it may change your FS type to "auto", so try iso9660 for CD, vfat for floppy) mount -a This did it for me. And of course:- cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak ...Just incase it balls up again! :) I suspect that supermount has problems with windows partitions- poss remove from fstab and mount manually if you want to use them? Thank god for that! :) - No, thank Syd! Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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permissions
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

How do you set up a directory so that files being copied into it from a windows machine using a samba share will copy as read only? At the moment they are rwx- - - - - - so I have to chmod manually when a doc is copied in. I've tried to set the whole directory as 755 using the -R option, which works for stuff already there but stuff copied in afterwards is still unreadable. nb - the files are moved in by various mortal users. Thanks! Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:59:26 -0000 (GMT), Raphael Mankin wrote: > In general, the answer to your question is Yes. What you would do is to install > Debian, or whatever, in a clean partition and then build another kernel for it. > However, in the particular case of upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 kernels, you also > have to upgrade glibc, binutils and other bits and pieces. It is therefore > ESSENTIAL that you do it in a clean partition. Do not try to upgrade a running > system. > Thanks - I can understand that well enough. If I already have a 2.4.n and I want to make it 2.4.n+1, do I still need to have separate partition - assuming that gcc, glibc, etc., are all within the versions recommended in the sourse README? > The moral is: always build your disks with two root partitions so that you can > do dangerous things without cutting your own balls off. > That seems eminently sound.... Gerald

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Debian problems
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:15:07 +0000, Ashley wrote: > Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. > I have a vague idea that you run anXious (yes - that IS a capital X in the middle!!) to configure X on Debian. I DID say 'vague'.... Gerald

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ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by Simon Parkes 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

I've just been speaking to the Millennium Centre and they've turned round and told me that there is an issue, they don't have the room for us anymore!!! But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you guys. Simon P.S. The Millennium Centre gave me there sincere apologies for the mistake...

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Taking the Plunge - recompiling the kernel
by Edenyard 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Please help!!! Having been persuaded (against my better judgment, no doubt) to have a go at this 'Recompiling the Kernel' game, I finally plucked up enough courage this afternoon. I installed all the source code for kernel 2.4.9, installed all the gcc and things for my Slackware 8.0 system and went for it. Ran make menuconfig first of all and patiently waded through the billions of choices there. Managed to save it and a message came up which said, 'make dep next'. I checked with my Kernel HOW-TO V2.5 and that's what it seemed to be saying, too. So I did. VERY soon after typing 'make dep', I got this: /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory make: *** [scripts/mkdep] Error1 Well - I don't have a clue what to do now. I read through the Kernel HOW-TO 'Pitfalls' section and (of course) no mention of this particular one. What's missing? Where is it?? <groan> I knew THIS would happen.... Sone kindly soul - please can you get me out of this latest hole? Thanks! Gerald.

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Re: Meeting of 4th November
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Is there a map for this meeting on Sunday, or any dircetions? Or any further details please? John

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:29 +0100, MJR wrote: > Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things > exist, but I don't have one. > I've looked in all the usual places, but they all seem to say 2.2.xx for Debian. That's the frustrating thing: one hears how good Debian is, but can't try it! I wondered whether it's possible to take a distribution (e.g., Debian) and install it with another kernel?? I don't know enough about how all the different bits of Linux fit together to know whether this is a sensible suggestion. Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian problems
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

> Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. Congratulations! You're now the proud owner of an X4-based system. You may need to make sure that you have the right packages installed (try "aptitude" if you have it installed... I'm not sure if it's the right tool for unstable now, though). -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Simon Parkes wrote: >But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in >Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with >that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and >pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you >guys. Sounds good. When can we start squabbling about what film to watch? If I bring my box will there be anyone that can look at php for me? And could any kind soul supply a BNC adaptor? Jenny.

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Debian, Slackware, hardware, BIOS and perplexity
by John Seago 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

As Gerald wrote in his recent post to this list, he installed Slackware, using disks borrowed from me; so I know that the disks work. I however, despite trying since Gerald sent them back, get can neither Debian 2.2 r3, or Slackware 8 to install, the problem comes when, with Slackware I reach the point where the install starts, either the CD is not being read, or it is not writing to the hard disk; and with Debian having installed the base system, when I try to install the rest of the system, again my machine will try in vain to find the CD/CD drive. I did try the Slackware experimental kernel for those having difficulty with hardware recognition, this succeeded in wiping my entire linux disk, together with my Mandrake system and its diary/calendar and address books; (why is it that the loss of one's address books causes so much distress?). Having had problems with installing Mandrake 8 my hardware was re-arranged to make the CD drive the primary slave. I thought at first that this is what had caused the problem. On sunday Chris and I tried again to install Debian and Slackware on his PC, my PC and his laptop. Slackware had the same failure on all three, Debian had the same failure on both PC's but went into his laptop. We then tried altering the hardware configuration and the BIOS (just about every permutation we could work out, over several hours), again no success. I am only left with the experimental altering of the BIOS to mirror the settings of Chris's Laptop, to try to get Debian into my PC. However that doesn't seem to get me very far with Slackware, any suggestions will be very welcome. John

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Adam: > Anyhow I will change my blocks output from Slashdot (or whatever team I am > on) to Alug when (as Willaby pointed out) we know where the money goes! I thought I said: I think Paul Russell is the team "leader" -- he's still in Norwich, although doesn't seem to be on this list at the moment, but he recently moved, so that may be why. I'll ask him to update his details as soon as I find where his email address went (or someone else who knows reminds me!). MJR

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by KEV＠hartmann.dk 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

Adam Bower <abower@thebow To: Ricardo Campos ery.co.uk> <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> cc: <KEV(a)hartmann.dk>, 25/10/01 15:18 <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy / I did try Mandrake briefly in the past but I had a completely broken release (6.1?) which I had paid about 30quid for, I purchased it because it was supposed to be good for people new to linux but I found it was a complete waste of time/money/effort. I have found that Mandrake is easily the most buggy of distros which is why I couldn't reccommend it to newbies. It might be going in the correct direction for getting newbies involved but every single release seems to have some fairly bad bugs which trip up people who are new to the OS. / I have to agree with you, I have now seriously tried Suse 6.4 and MDK 8.0 and while Mandrake appears to do a slicker job, anyone struggling with the learning curve (like me) doesn't need to be dumped with inexplicable bugs. My next step is Suse 7.2 by the way. / > At the moment in other browser windows, I am looking at Slackware and Debian on Cheeplinux.com . If you want something done properly, do it yourself. (stop sniggering you lot- at least I'll LEARN how to do it properly) Either would be a good choice, SuSE is also quite good but can be a bit weird in its mentality (well yasts mentallity anyway). I would say go for Debian but then I am completely biased and a deb head so I would say that :-) / I already have the disks for Deb (potato)but I haven't psyched myself up for that one yet. I need a confidence gain first. When I'm ready I'll lug (pun, sorry) my kit down to a meeting and hopefully see how it should be done. Anyway, that's the future. / > >(you're right, I don't have any patience) > > My reasoning for Deb or Slackware is that the more you're hand is held along the way, the less able you are to fix it when it goes wrong. Very true, what I find alarming about Mandrake is it seems to be going the way of Windows, it seems to make broad generalisations that work for 50% of the people but cause the other 50% to have some kind non-specific sporadic software failure with it with no clues as to the cause of the problem. / Once again I agree, when I'm ready and feeling brave I'll step up to a 'real' distro and take the pain. / > >(read- I'm afraid of making myself > > look a pratt!)!!!!!!!!!!! :<)) > > I already have! :) But then I have no shame, and besides, that's the only way I learn. It makes the experts look good too! ;) Luckily there have been some people on-list who have given me some excellent pointers- not just RTFM, but "this is how to find the manual, and this is how to read it". So... thanks y'all for your patience!!! No-one on this list should ever feel a pratt or be afraid of asking questions, dumb questions are welcomed and encouraged and if anyone flames a newbie on here for asking a silly question they will be pounced on by me and feel the wrath of my Lart stick. / OK Adam, I've got to ask, what's a Lart stick? a google search only slightly informative ;<) Thanks for the reassurances by the way, I'm sure all us 'newbies' feel a little safer in our nests. Cheers Kev

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

> So Slack+ICEWM gets my vote (speaking as a beginner, remember). Yes, IceWM and XFCE are probably the two worth considering right now, if you don't want the full desktop of KDE or Gnome. > worrying about that, but at least I've got a Linux that works, enables > me to run Netscape, Acrobat, Xv and things and start the learning process. Mozilla or derivative, XPDF or GV, Imagemagick or zgv... support freedom ;-) > Oh, yes - and ALWAYS have MC installed. Darned useful for poking > about to see how Linux works. Isn't MC a bit long in the tooth and abandoned now? (Replacements... hrm, I can only think of GIT.) MJR

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Simon Jude: > I know you are all going to hate me for saying this but does it run on > other OS's?! ;-) I would like to run it at uni here instead of seti until > the www.climateprediction.com project starts Is UEA involved in that one? Maybe ALUG should support it, if we can? MJR

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