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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 05 Nov '01

05 Nov '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Debian, Slackware, hardware, BIOS and what am I doing wrong?
by MJ Ray 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

> I could get rid of windows from the first disk, but I would prefer to keep it > for the better quality printing it provides, (although I could be persuaded > that the other benefits of Linux outweigh it). What's your printer? ;-) -- MJR

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Linux for the Disabled
by John Seago 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

At this afternoon's meeting I took down the Email address of the gentleman who is trying to build a set for the disabled and promised to send him the web site URL's of the Skipper project which is also working on a `Linux' solution to provide access to computers for the disabled.Unfortunately I seem to have taken his address down wrongly, I am therefore seeking the indulgence of all and sending the URL's via the List. They are:- http://home.freeuk.net/thousandminds/ and http://www.linuxmednews.org/linuxmednews/1001454073/index_html John Seago

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CD-Writer for meeting today...
by Simon Parkes 04 Nov '01

04 Nov '01

I'll be bringing a CD writer to the meeting today if anyone wants to use it.... Also if anyone coming has a copy of RH7.2 could they please bring it as I would like to copy it if it's ok... Thx Simon P.S. I have around 30 700MB Blanks that I can let people have for 40p each (50 for 19.99 at Argos) no cases though...

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RE: Antivirus
by Martyn Drake 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Hi, Take a look at Amavis (http://www.amavis.org) - integrates with Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, and Qmail. As for actual anti-virus software, I highly recommend Sophos (http://www.sophos.com) which has clients for just about every operating system available :) Regards, Martyn -- Begin Quoted Message -- Message: 7 From: "Simon Parkes" <simon(a)sparksy.org.uk> To: "ALUG" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:52:21 -0000 Subject: [Alug] Anitvirus... Hi list.... Can anyone recommend an Antivirus solution for Linux, running Sendmail ? Simon

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Re: [Alug] Sundays meeting
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

I'm raring to come, but I'll have to bring the chiddlers, so I won't stay too long. They are mostly quite decorous and if they misbehave I'll dunk them in the unheated poll. I'll be bringing a debian box networked using co-ax, so if anyone has a spare "coax-utp media convertor"...? I was hoping for some help on php. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Anitvirus...
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

> Can anyone recommend an Antivirus solution for Linux, running Sendmail? Martyn uses amavis with Postfix I think, for the ALUG.org.uk mail server. I don't know of anything that will scan files downloaded from the web. Me, I think fixing client problems by hacking the server stinks. You'll still only get people running stuff not got through the means covered and they'll be complacent. Linux virus problems are still rare (you only installed GPG-signed packages of software from recognised sources, right?) and most other problems can be taken care of by keeping your system patched up to date. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Instaling linux alongside windows
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

The Unnamed Interloper wrote: > windows for some reason of its own has installed a nice big block of data > right near the end of the drive. the defr ag program that comes with > windows 95, refuses to move this data. This means that fips will not > allow me to create a large enough partition to install a linux distro. As John quoted from the FAQ, this is more likely than not a system file. ISTR that some Windowses used a large hidden file at the end of the partition for swap. You'll need to unhide this, but that probably means you should switch of swap during the defrag. Don't ask me how, as I've forgotten that. Furthermore, note that this list is now main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, as the next time I log into rabbit will be to deactivate the forwarding from stu.uea.ac.uk and destroy the old mailing list. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] Wine and Lotus Notes...
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Simon wrote: > Any of you guys had experience of Wine (not the drinking kind) [...] I've only used it a few times (I don't need many Windows apps) and the only problem I found was it not having all serial port functions (I was trying to flash up the modem). MJR -- MJR

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Wine and Lotus Notes...
by Simon Parkes 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Any of you guys had experience of Wine (not the drinking kind).. I've heard a few horror stories about it and have just tried it on RH 7.0.. Worked first time... So it's time for Linux on the laptop as well... Simon (nearly totally linux)

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Instaling linux alongside windows
by dahilt＠essex.ac.uk 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

I have wanted to try out linux for a while however i have been having problems in creating the second partition needed. I only have a 1.5GB hard drive on my 486 (8 years old and still going!!), and windows for some reason of its own has installed a nice big block of data right near the end of the drive. the defrag program that comes with windows 95, refuses to move this data. This means that fips will not allow me to create a large enough partition to install a linux distro. (note i have tried restarting and defraging as well as trying it in safe mode, to no effect.) Does anyone know of a free program that will either allow me to defrag the hard drive properly, or create the partitions nessesary without destroying data (e.g. a free version of something similar to partition magic). Thanks in advance for any help you can give :o)

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Re: [Alug] Sundays meeting - who wanted a lift from Norwich?
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Syd Hancock wrote: > Hoping to be there although I should really be doing other things. Likewise. > [...] Or, to rephrase it, does anyone want a lift from Norwich > or anywhere nearby (on the southern side of the town at least)? Similarly, I'm able to offer some lifts from King's Lynn and probably Swaffham or Newmarket rail station. Please email me off-list to arrange... -- MJR

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Anitvirus...
by Simon Parkes 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Hi list.... Can anyone recommend an Antivirus solution for Linux, running Sendmail ? Simon

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Sundays meeting - who wanted a lift from Norwich?
by Syd Hancock 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

Hoping to be there although I should really be doing other things. I seem to remember that someone was asking for a lift from Norwich or somewhere nearby? Or, to rephrase it, does anyone want a lift from Norwich or anywhere nearby (on the southern side of the town at least)? Syd

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Re: [Alug] Sundays meeting
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

OK, so that's who isn't coming. Who else is coming? Hopefully, details as far as they're known are on http://www.alug.org.uk/ now, but more will be added tonight if you tell me, please. -- MJR

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Meeting 4 Nov...
by Simon.Parkes＠worldspan.com 02 Nov '01

02 Nov '01

OK for the gates there will be a swat team available to help get equipment over, or you can drive up and they will open automatically, whichever is your preference !!!! Directions....

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Meeting on 4th Nov- agenda?
by Ricardo Campos 01 Nov '01

01 Nov '01

What's the agenda? the http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ site always times out on me. Although I got MDK 8.0 up and running, I'd like to install Deb 2.2r3 (I have the disks). Unfortunately, I tried to install 2 times already- both failed for different reasons. It would be great if someone could lend a hand there. I have a 4 port hub I can bring- I really can't get away with taking the other hubs (all 40 ports worth) away from work as they're mucho £££££- specially as they're being installed on the monday. I should be able to bring a crossover cable and some other cat 5 cables, but it would be helpful if people brought their own too. Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Taking the Plunge - recompiling the kernel
by Edenyard 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:24:08 +0000, Toby Jaffey wrote: > The bit you seem to have missed is linking (ln) or copying the kernel > includes (in linux/include/linux and linux/include/asm) to /usr/include. > Have a look at these guides: > http://alge.anart.no/linux/robotti/kernel-compile-guide > http://linuxfaq.quartz.net.nz/node86.html > Many thanks for that timely advice! I had another go this morning, having set the symlinks for asm, linux & scsi and - lo and behold - it all worked without further ado. Kernel compiled and is now installed. Even better news - now the USB camera that I pestered so many people over works with Slackware and the new kernel, too. Thanks again to everyone here who contributed to this advancement! Gerald.

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Re: Meeting 4 Nov...
by jh Atkinson 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Simon.Parkes(a)worldspan.com wrote, asking me, John Atkinson, to get it out. > Here it is, can you forward it onto the list for me please.. > > Simon Parkes > E-Commerce Server Engineer > Worldwide Technical Operations Group > Worldspan Services Ltd. > Office Tel: +44 (0) 208 745 9012. > Office Fax: +44 (0) 208 745 1878 > Home Office Tel +44 (0) 1638 552864 > Home Office Fax: +44 (0)1638 552865 > Fax to E-mail +44 (0) 703 1152199 > Mobile:- +44 (0) 7970 006076 > E-Mail :- simon.parkes(a)worldspan.com > > ----- Forwarded by Simon Parkes/WSL/WSP on 30/10/2001 19:24 ----- > > Simon Parkes > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > 30/10/2001 cc: > 07:28 Subject: Meeting 4 Nov... > > > > OK for the gates there will be a swat team available to help get equipment > over, or you can drive up and they will open automatically, whichever is > your preference !!!! > > Directions.... > > >From Newmarket, follow signs for Cheveley, on entering Cheveley, take first > right up "High Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after > phone box on right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive > BIG HOUSE... Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From Cambridge, follow signs for Newmarket (I'd suggest A1303), at the > first set of traffic lights (nr Nightclubs) in Newmarket turn RIGHT and > follow road for about 3 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up > "High Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From Ely A11, follow signs for Newmarket , go straight across all > roundabouts (3), turn left at "T" junction (Pub on left) and follow road > for about 2 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up "High > Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > >From A14 Bury St Edmunds direction , take first turn off A14 signposted > Newmarket (after the Tuddenham junction), follow road for about 5 miles, at > lights bear left into Newmarket. At next roundabout (Clocktower on it) > turn left, follow road, turn left at "T" junction (Pub on left) and follow > road for about 2 miles.... On entering Cheveley, take first right up "High > Street", carry on past church on left. Immediately after phone box on > right, go through the gates, down to the bottom of the drive BIG HOUSE... > Someone will be around to point you in the right direction.. > > I think that about does it, power points.. There should be plenty > available.... Tables, in process of sorting out, Tea and coffee... > Sorted (small donation to my mum for providing would be nice though).... > Apart from that... The pool heating is off so if you do want to go for a > swim take a thermal wet suit !!!! > > http://www.simon-parkes.co.uk/parents.html for an idea of the place..... > > If any more information is needed please give me a shout... If better > directions are required... errrr I'll see what I can do, post code is CB8 > 9DG .....And the place is called Fittocks House (not Fittocks Stud).... > > Simon Parkes > E-Commerce Server Engineer > Worldwide Technical Operations Group > Worldspan Services Ltd. > Office Tel: +44 (0) 208 745 9012. > Office Fax: +44 (0) 208 745 1878 > Home Office Tel +44 (0) 1638 552864 > Home Office Fax: +44 (0)1638 552865 > Fax to E-mail +44 (0) 703 1152199 > Mobile:- +44 (0) 7970 006076 > E-Mail :- simon.parkes(a)worldspan.com

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Re: [Alug] permissions
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

Mat B wrote: >Dunno if this will help your problem, but there is an option in smb.conf >called >'force create mode' >You bung it in with the other properties of the share and set it to whatever >you want the permissions >to be on files that are 'created' on the samba share, eg. 'force create mode >= 0755'. >Theres a more detailed blurb in the smb.conf man page. Perfect! Many thanks. Jen

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RE: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Peter Delf 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

>From: "Edenyard" <mail(a)edenyard.co.uk> >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:12:59 +0000 >To: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> >CC: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy > >On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:45:29 +0100, MJR wrote: > >> Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things >> exist, but I don't have one. >> > > I've looked in all the usual places, but they all seem to say 2.2.xx >for Debian. That's the frustrating thing: one hears how good Debian is, >but can't try it! I wondered whether it's possible to take a >distribution (e.g., Debian) and install it with another kernel?? I don't >know enough about how all the different bits of Linux fit together to >know whether this is a sensible suggestion. > > Gerald. Check out http://www.uk.debian.org/News/2001/20010415 it's an article on what to add to your sources.list to upgrade to a 2.4.X kernel. I've done it on both my laptop and desktop computers and they run fine now (with proper USB support! yea!). I won't include a summary as i recommend you read all the instructions listed there. A small word of warning though, the apt source is unofficial so therefore it is unsupported, but the maintainer is a registered Debian developer so it's all pretty well maintained. The source addresses start http://people.debian.org/~bunk/ Pete Pete www.crawl-space.org.uk p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk

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Locked Directories-MDK8.0- answer!!!!
by Ricardo Campos 31 Oct '01

31 Oct '01

ALL credit must go to Syd on this one. You're an absoloute star- there's a pint with your name on it!!!!!!! In a terminal:- su (give password) supermount -i disable umount /mnt/cdrom umount /mnt/floppy mount -a supermount -i enable (optional: it may change your FS type to "auto", so try iso9660 for CD, vfat for floppy) mount -a This did it for me. And of course:- cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak ...Just incase it balls up again! :) I suspect that supermount has problems with windows partitions- poss remove from fstab and mount manually if you want to use them? Thank god for that! :) - No, thank Syd! Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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permissions
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

How do you set up a directory so that files being copied into it from a windows machine using a samba share will copy as read only? At the moment they are rwx- - - - - - so I have to chmod manually when a doc is copied in. I've tried to set the whole directory as 755 using the -R option, which works for stuff already there but stuff copied in afterwards is still unreadable. nb - the files are moved in by various mortal users. Thanks! Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:59:26 -0000 (GMT), Raphael Mankin wrote: > In general, the answer to your question is Yes. What you would do is to install > Debian, or whatever, in a clean partition and then build another kernel for it. > However, in the particular case of upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 kernels, you also > have to upgrade glibc, binutils and other bits and pieces. It is therefore > ESSENTIAL that you do it in a clean partition. Do not try to upgrade a running > system. > Thanks - I can understand that well enough. If I already have a 2.4.n and I want to make it 2.4.n+1, do I still need to have separate partition - assuming that gcc, glibc, etc., are all within the versions recommended in the sourse README? > The moral is: always build your disks with two root partitions so that you can > do dangerous things without cutting your own balls off. > That seems eminently sound.... Gerald

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Debian problems
by Edenyard 30 Oct '01

30 Oct '01

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:15:07 +0000, Ashley wrote: > Just upgraded to Debian unstable (good idea?). Everything appears ok, apart > from my X configuration is lost. X no longer starts during bootup, and the > progs xf86config and XF86Setup are not available. Also startx and X are > unrecognised commands. > I have a vague idea that you run anXious (yes - that IS a capital X in the middle!!) to configure X on Debian. I DID say 'vague'.... Gerald

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