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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Oct '01

29 Oct '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

> So Slack+ICEWM gets my vote (speaking as a beginner, remember). Yes, IceWM and XFCE are probably the two worth considering right now, if you don't want the full desktop of KDE or Gnome. > worrying about that, but at least I've got a Linux that works, enables > me to run Netscape, Acrobat, Xv and things and start the learning process. Mozilla or derivative, XPDF or GV, Imagemagick or zgv... support freedom ;-) > Oh, yes - and ALWAYS have MC installed. Darned useful for poking > about to see how Linux works. Isn't MC a bit long in the tooth and abandoned now? (Replacements... hrm, I can only think of GIT.) MJR

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by MJ Ray 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Simon Jude: > I know you are all going to hate me for saying this but does it run on > other OS's?! ;-) I would like to run it at uni here instead of seti until > the www.climateprediction.com project starts Is UEA involved in that one? Maybe ALUG should support it, if we can? MJR

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Re: Distributed Computing
by John Seago 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

For those who wish to run independent distributed computing projects, these two sites give some idea of what's available, together with the OS's they run on. (newbie tries to teach various Grandmothers how to suck eggs). http://www.aspenleaf.com/distributed/ http://www.mersenne.org/ There's even an article on parasitic distributed Computing! John Seago

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Re: Team Linux - what on earth are you talking about?
by David Howe 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

Ricardo Campos wrote: <SNIP> On a lighter note, (TFIF!), Team ALUG's doing pretty well (I think, considering we're up against SPARC machines at universities etc.) on www.distributed.net: "Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) completed 3,239 blocks yesterday at a sustained rate of 10,063 Kkeys/second! Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) is ranked #1,351 for yesterday! " http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=14531 </SNIP> Now I've been to the site and looked around it and I really don't have the first idea of what you (or they) are talking about. What is RC5? Why does it need cracking? What are these "blocks"? I'd love to help with anything that this community does but I haven't got a clue what it is I'm helping with.... perhaps a little more English and a little less jargon for those of us that haven't got a degree in rocketscience would help you to gain members for your team - I'm not suprised there's only you and one other member of the team its probably as a direct result of this approach. This is the Linux USERS group and Linux can be used for a great many things - and this linux user doesn't understand 100% of all aspects of Linux in fact most of us work on a "learn it when I need to know it" basis so something that means a great deal to one person could be (and certainly in this case is) total gibberish to a great many others. If you can tell me what I'm helping with I'll help :) Kind regards, David

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Masqueraidng your browser (and other things)
by Raphael Mankin 28 Oct '01

28 Oct '01

There has been some discussion on the list at various times about systems, particularly bank systems, that *insist* that you run MS IE. I have installed a proxy that might solve your problems. It does three things: 1. It filters out banner ads, at present only doublclick.net, but let me know any other domains you would like fitlered. 2. It anonymises your request by removing the Referrer and User headers. It does not remove Cookie headers because these will probably be needed, but I can set up another one that also removes cookies if there is a demand. 3. It forces in a User-Agent header that lies and says that it is MS IE 5.0. This will solve problems at the server end, but not those in Javascript at the client end. Nor will it help if the bank software is trying to use Active X or other MS proprietary stuff on the client. You can find this proxy at proxy.webwright-uk.com port 8000. You are welcome to use it, but I give no guarantees as to fitness for any particular purpose (etc etc etc). BTW it does not cache. Please let me know what works, what does not work. When it is judged stable I will post the code. -- Playing 'bop' is like Scrabble with all the vowels missing. Duke Ellington Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by MJ Ray 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Gerald: > shouldn't take an hour even to get a working system. I still haven't > been able to run Deb because of kernel 2.2 failing to get on with my > system, so that leaves Redhat, Mandrake and Slack as the ones I've Anyone here with a kernel 2.4 Debian installation CD? I'm sure such things exist, but I don't have one. MJR

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Re: Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Ricardo asked: > Midnight Commander? > Yes - that's the one. > There seems to be a consensus here- don't you think? As I see it; I would > rather have an install that took a whole weekend, and have a system that > just runs and runs, than an install that takes an hour, and has an unusa > ble system. > Yes - I agree with that, except that - as I understand it - it shouldn't take an hour even to get a working system. I still haven't been able to run Deb because of kernel 2.2 failing to get on with my system, so that leaves Redhat, Mandrake and Slack as the ones I've tried. RH and Mdk I'd put in the same box - well, bin, actually! Of course, it all depends on what you want to do with it, but I seem to have developed this affinity for Slack.... > Someday I will have a single boot Linux system as my main workstation!!!! > Yes, again! I look forward to that day - when someone's perfected DOSEMU so that all my old DOS programmes can't even tell that they're not running on a DOS machine. Gerald.

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Zeus 4 upgrade
by Martyn Drake 27 Oct '01

27 Oct '01

Hi folks, Just to mention that upon my return to the UK on the 30th October, I will be scheduling for the 2nd November an upgrade to version 4 of the Zeus web server which is currently running the main ALUG web site. This will mean a small period of downtime while the configuration of the web server is backed up, data migrated and the sites tested before the site goes live again. Regards, Martyn (in Queenstown, NZ) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Team ALUG
by Ricardo Campos 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

On a lighter note, (TFIF!), Team ALUG's doing pretty well (I think, considering we're up against SPARC machines at universities etc.) on www.distributed.net: "Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) completed 3,239 blocks yesterday at a sustained rate of 10,063 Kkeys/second! Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) is ranked #1,351 for yesterday! " http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=14531 Pretty good, since there are only 2 active members (hint hint). If anyone has doubts about the dnetc client- don't! Mine's been crunching away while I do all my sys admin, and I have noticed NO change in performance- except on virus checks, but then that doesn't happen on my Linux box! Oh, and of course your CPU is always maxed out in GKrellM! :) I *am* cheating slightly, as I have a few NT4 servers and workstations doing the work as well as my linux boxes. Thank god supermount can't f**k up my modem. (pleaseohpleaseohplease don't tell me that it can!) So go on- be cool and join one of the most exclusive RC5 cracking teams.... :) Ricardo (off to work out how to set up the proxy server, as I can't get blocks quick enough!) "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/psummary.php3?id=368187 -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by Ricardo Campos 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Specifically, it's trying to prove that no code is uncrackable. (Well, RC5-64) They already cracked the code that was used to encrypt credit card transactions in the US (obviously it has now been upgraded). There is also the OGR thing, what makes my head spin, but I'm sure gives some Maths professors wet dreams. There are better causes, such as Intel's cancer research one, (really nice screensaver) and the alzheimer's disease one, but for some obscure reason they've only released Win32 clients. (So some of my network runs those) Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Team ALUG
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Ricardo Campos wrote: >On a lighter note, (TFIF!), Team ALUG's doing pretty well (I think, considering we're >up against SPARC machines at universities etc.) on www.distributed.net: >"Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) completed 3,239 blocks yesterday at a sustained rate >of 10,063 Kkeys/second! Anglian Linux User Group (ALUG) is ranked #1,351 for yesterday! >" >http://stats.distributed.net/rc5-64/tmsummary.php3?team=14531 Their website leaves fluffy pink clouds floating around in my head where I thought I had a brain....um, what are you trying to find? Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by Ricardo Campos 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

> Oh, yes - and ALWAYS have MC installed. Darned >useful for poking > about to see how Linux works. Midnight Commander? > Hope this helps someone! Please delete it if it >doesn't.... Comments are always welcome... I could have avoided this damn mess! There seems to be a consensus here- don't you think? As I see it; I would rather have an install that took a whole weekend, and have a system that just runs and runs, than an install that takes an hour, and has an unusable system. I've decided on Deb, due to the apt-get system, but I'm sure if I can get my grubby hands on one of these 20 P133's sitting next to me (unlikely), Slack will go on it. Someday I will have a single boot Linux system as my main workstation!!!! "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by Ricardo Campos 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

> IF you are feeling really brave/foolish/masochistic (delete as appropriate), > try Linux From Scratch - Already there, mate. The files are sitting on my HD at work. I do feel foolish (one should never take oneself too seriously, eh?), but certainly not brave enough. My copy of the new release of Debian should be in the post. :) >Compiling each and every part of your own linux > system is one helluva a way to learn <g> That's why, with these experiences, I would never recommend MDK to any Newbie, or experienced user for that matter. "It's Rubbish". -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:35:05 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Mozilla or derivative, XPDF or GV, Imagemagick or zgv... support freedom ;-) > Yes - I'm with you on that. Only trouble I found was that GV seems to fall over quite a bit on 'newer' .PDF files - very reminiscent of what Ghostscript 5.1 for DOS does (which is what drove me to Linux in the first place!!) My only very brief fiddle with Mozilla suggested that it looked awfully like Netscape. Is it? And better or worse, bug-wise? > > Isn't MC a bit long in the tooth and abandoned now? > I didn't know that. I just found it originally on the Slack 3.5 disk when I was starting out and feeling very lost.As a very-dyed-in-the-wool DOS Xtree Gold man, I started to feel more at home when I happened upon MC. I've just sort-of stuck with it - kindred spirits, I suppose! Of course, XTree's long in the tooth and abandoned now, too, and so am I (well, not abandoned...) so it all fits together. I did discover something called Unixtree, which was supposed to be Linux's closest resemblance to Xtree Gold, but I never got it to run. Gerald.

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RE: [Alug] OT - SMS
by PleXeR 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

I have been wanting to do this as well so have done some preliminary looking into it. What you need is a Nokia mobile phone probably a 5110 or 6110 as these should be cheap s/h these days. These both have built in data modems and using a simple serial convertor which can be made for about £10 or bought for between £15-£20 can be plugged into the serial port on your linux machine. There are a few programs available with the best known one being gnokii http://www.gnokii.org/ or gsmlib http://www.pxh.de/fs/gsmlib/doc/index.html Hope this is of some help. Cheers, Ben

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by Edenyard 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Sorry - sent this to the wrong place first time around! For what it's worth (probably not a lot...), I ended up with Slackware 8.0 and Mandrake Freq on one machine for comparison. Speaking as a complete non-Linux-expert, I found the only saving grace of Mdk was that it worked my borrowed USB camera, whereas Slack wouldn't. Some of Mdk's MORE frustrating habits included secretly writing to my OKI LED printer and re-arranging settings that I perfected years ago and then claiming that it was something it wasn't, and also inviting me to select what packages I'd like installed and then not bothering to install them. Slack, on the other hand, went in, got on, and generally did its bit. Thanks to John Seago's timely intervention, I discovered that early problems I was having were due to duff disks from Crazy Penguin. Linux Emporium did me much better!! I elected to install KDE on Slackware but soon began to hate its bloat. Then I discovered ICEWM and there was no looking back. Partly due to the very good documentation on how to configure ICEWM files, even I was able to get it to work and add my own favourite functions. If I can, anyone can. And ICEWM is FAST, even on an ex-skip P166! So Slack+ICEWM gets my vote (speaking as a beginner, remember). One or two people are gradually trying to steer me down the path of recompiling a kernel to get USB to work with Slack. I lay awake at night worrying about that, but at least I've got a Linux that works, enables me to run Netscape, Acrobat, Xv and things and start the learning process. Oh, yes - and ALWAYS have MC installed. Darned useful for poking about to see how Linux works. Hope this helps someone! Please delete it if it doesn't.... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by MJ Ray 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Adam Bower: > I've just had it pointed out that I have now indeed completely lost the > plot. That should read "luser attitude readjustment tool" never mind, the > correct authoritys have been informed that I am now completely mad. Or drunk amazingly early in the afternoon? ;-) Anyway, for more definitions, try http://www.foldoc.org/ (I think... offline just now, so haven't verified http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/ for sure?) MJR

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Meeting.. problem..
by MJ Ray 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Simon Parkes: > But I have a cunning plan, we can use the Cinema at my parent place in > Cheveley (5 mins down the road), all organised if everyone is ok with > that... Bonus, in true Linux tradition, it's free (and there's a sauna and > pool available if anyone wants to refresh themselves)... Anyway over to you > guys. Sounds like a bonus to me. Can we have new directions, etc, please? Now, you see, I hadn't updated the ALUG web site because I knew something like this was going to happen... honest! MJR, lying through his teef.

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Re: [Alug] Locked directories - Sympathy
by Ricardo Campos 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> I am using Mandrake 8.0 .I thought it might have >something to do with the auto mounting facility >(supermount) but can't find anything Well, I'm trying on MDKexpert, but I'm not holding my breath. I've seen more probs with MDK on e-lists and forums than any other distro, but then I spose it *does* attract newbies. >I am literally at the point of changing back to Suse At the moment in other browser windows, I am looking at Slackware and Debian on Cheeplinux.com . If you want something done properly, do it yourself. (stop sniggering you lot- at least I'll LEARN how to do it properly) >(you're right, I don't have any patience) My reasoning for Deb or Slackware is that the more you're hand is held along the way, the less able you are to fix it when it goes wrong. >(read- I'm afraid of making myself > look a pratt!)!!!!!!!!!!! :<)) I already have! :) But then I have no shame, and besides, that's the only way I learn. It makes the experts look good too! ;) Luckily there have been some people on-list who have given me some excellent pointers- not just RTFM, but "this is how to find the manual, and this is how to read it". So... thanks y'all for your patience!!! Linux is a minefield of distro's, each with their own peculiarities, and I have found almost guaranteed that things are never where they are meant to be- even in distro-specific documentation. (although my experience is only RH6.1 and MDK8.0) > I'd be grateful to know if you do 'sort' the problem. I'll try disabling supermount, and mount manually. Other than that.... ?????????????? :) "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ISP HOSTING
by tom potts 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

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Locked directories - Sympathy
by KEV＠hartmann.dk 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Hi Ricardo, I can't help you but I can offer sympathy. I have almost precisely the same problem as you and have hunted hi and low for a resolution without success. I am using Mandrake 8.0 and have even gone so far as to reload the whole system but still with the same problem. I thought it might have something to do with the auto mounting facility (supermount) but can't find anything that supports that theory either. I am interested to note Adam's comments and will have a look this evening to see if I can change the owner of my devices. I am literally at the point of changing back to Suse (you're right, I don't have any patience) as I know I can at least use that without fundamental problems like this. I wonder how many other people experienced the same problem. Mandrakes web site doesn't seem to make any mention of it or even tell you what a locked directory is! I suppose I may have changed something inadvertently but as a 'newbie' I tend to be very careful when 'tinkering' as I know I won't be able to rectify the result if I do screw up. I am saving my requests for help from the list until I really can't get my head round something (read- I'm afraid of making myself look a pratt!)!!!!!!!!!!! :<)) I'd be grateful to know if you do 'sort' the problem. Cheers Kevvy

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Re: [Alug] locked directories -please help!
by Ricardo Campos 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> what distro are you using ?? > If Mandrake try : supermount disable > > and mount manually That I will, back to the man pages! :) <mini-rant> MDK8.0 is a pile of poo :P . </mini-rant> Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] locked directories -please help!
by Ricardo Campos 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> Try the 'dmesg' command after trying to access one of these > device as check the output of lsmod. If these don't give you > the answer then please post the output here so we can take a gander. Ok... (brace yourself!) - these are just the hdc entries, there were none for fd0. lsmod gave 'command not found'. hdc: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1222, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdc: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM drive, 256kB Cache, UDMA(33) hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hdc: command error: error=0x51 end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 64 isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:00, iso_blknum=16, block=32 Any help? (full o/p on request) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] locked directories -please help!
by MJ Ray 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

> Ok... (brace yourself!) - these are just the hdc > entries, there were none for fd0. lsmod gave > 'command not found'. > hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady > SeekComplete Error } > hdc: command error: error=0x51 > end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 64 > isofs_read_super: bread failed, dev=16:00, > iso_blknum=16, block=32 Oh dear oh dear oh dear. The last time I saw that, the back of the drive had burnt out. Sorry. MJR

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