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Re: [Alug] PCMCIA modems
by Peter Delf 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

I managed to get my LT modem in my Toshiba laptop working by downloading the driver sources from a link on linmodems.org, installing the kernel-headers and running one of the scripts (I think it was called 'make_deb') in the driver distribution. They also include scripts like 'make_rpm' for other distros packaging systems. For more info please email me. Just thought it might give you hope. I'm still quite the fresh faced newbie but my learning curve has been very steep of late. Pete http://www.uea.ac.uk/u9947868

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Re: [Alug] Meetings
by MJ Ray 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)nutshell.net> writes: > As there would seem to be some interest in holding a meeting in Cambridge, > perhaps whoever it is who organises such things could try organising a > joint meeting with Cambridge Lug. I think even if it's just near Cambridge, we should invite them as a matter of courtesy. I'm cc'ing this to Cam-LUG to see if they're interested in a weekend meeting at Red Lodge in November. Hopefully their list respects reply-to headers and we'll now have a short cross-over. -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Re: [Alug] Re: Future meetings
by MJ Ray 05 Oct '01

05 Oct '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > Sometime in November would be a good I guess as it is getting a little > late to do October IMHO at such short notice and with a bit extra time we > could try and do a bit of extra advertising. If UEA people can get in touch and get their act together, 28th Oct is still a possibility. I'll put a request out on UEA's internal newsgroups. If we go for Red Lodge, who's going to be publicity czar? -- MJR Do you need advice about the Internet or particular net services? Why not talk to my employers? See http://www.luminas.co.uk/ for details.

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Meetings, Cambridge, an afterthought
by John Seago 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

I used to be the Regional Secretary of a voluntary body, and had occasion to organise a group meeting in Cambridge. I had it pointed out to me after the meeting that parking in Cambridge is an extremely difficult exercise. My wife pointed out to me when I failed to grasp this point, that while we could park very near to where we were going, having an `Orange Badge' meant that we were parking for 6 hours,at no cost in an `on road space' where others were having to pay £3.00 an hour. John Seago

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Meetings
by John Seago 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

As there would seem to be some interest in holding a meeting in Cambridge, perhaps whoever it is who organises such things could try organising a joint meeting with Cambridge Lug. John Seago

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RE: [Alug] Re: Future meetings
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Simon parkes wrote: >Ok, I've got the prices for the room, it's big enough for around 40 people, >coffee machine available, bar in the same building from 11am -> 3pm, but >it's a bit pricey at ?5.60 per hour... That is only £2 each if ten people turn up, which isn't a lot. Less than a pint of the beer, anyway. Go for it. Unless you want to guarantee at least ten will be there first to cover costs? Cheveley even better as free, but sounds like it might be more of a hassle for you to organise.

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #4 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

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Re: [Alug] Anti-Virus at SMTP level
by MJ Ray 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

"Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > Just to inform everyone that I've just installed Amavis along with > Sophos Anti-Virus on the main Alug server to ensure that no nasty SirCam > viruses (which yes, unfortunately, people are still sending to us) get > out and about. I was sick of having to respond to people asking them to > either install anti-virus software on their Windoze boxes or to get > their definitions updated. Amavis responds automatically to infected > senders to ensure they do keep their anti-virus software going. Wouldn't it be rather simpler to use the common filter rules to trap and kill the worst offenders (eg SirCam) than it is to install a large insecure mail filter on your server? Fix the problems where they occur and 99% of virus problems are on the clients. Only when it reaches a DoS problem is server tweaking a good idea. -- MJR I work for this clever Internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Anti-Virus at SMTP level
by Martyn Drake 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Hi folks, Just to inform everyone that I've just installed Amavis along with Sophos Anti-Virus on the main Alug server to ensure that no nasty SirCam viruses (which yes, unfortunately, people are still sending to us) get out and about. I was sick of having to respond to people asking them to either install anti-virus software on their Windoze boxes or to get their definitions updated. Amavis responds automatically to infected senders to ensure they do keep their anti-virus software going. Any messages in or out of these mailing lists will be scanned for any viruses and should anybody does send one, it'll be stopped and nuked along with a message sent to the sender to ensure they keep their virus scanners up to date (or to get one in the first place!). For those that don't know what Amavis is, take a look at http://www.amavis.org - it integrates incredibly well into Sendmail, Exim and Qmail. Regards, Martyn

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PCMCIA modems
by Christopher Drane 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

After much surfing, scratching my head, asking many questions, failed installs, newbe stupidity and to much to drink, i have come to the conclusion that my LT winmodem is not going to work with my laptop. This brings me to my question, or 2 Will a PCMCIA modem work (as long as its not a winmodem)? or What about a USB modem, is there a preferance between the two? I would not ask such questions if adverts in the computer mags would tell you if products are linux supported. Just don't want to buy a new modem and find it won't work.

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RE: [Alug] Re: Future meetings
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Sinmon Parkes wrote: >I'm trying to set something up here in Red Lodge as spoken about last month, >just waiting for prices.... That would be great (just up the road from me). Would that be for this month? Cambridge would be good for a meeting- I've been racking my brains to think of somewhere, also wondered if the majority of list members from Norfolk area would travel this far though. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Re: Future meetings
by MJ Ray 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > Cambridge would be good for a meeting- I've been racking my brains to think > of somewhere, also wondered if the majority of list members from Norfolk > area would travel this far though. I don't think either Norfolk or Suffolk have a majority here at the moment ;-) At least, not amongst the posters. It'd be great if it were at Red Lodge, as that would be the closest to me that ALUG has got so far. -- MJR I work for this clever Internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Audio HELL
by Ricardo Campos 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

>I would raise a bug report against Nautilus as I beleive that >Nautilus as a program should be doing the necessary checking >to ensure that it doesn't try to play two MP3 files at once. I think the developers- Eazel? have gone under, but I'll check to see if their efforts are being continued. Thanks for the info everyone. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: Future meetings
by Lucy McWilliam 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

Adam Bower wrote: > Is there any news on the next meeting (UEA people??) and possible venues > for future meetings? Are there any people interested in meeting up in Cambridge? I'm sure we could arrange something ;-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lucy McWilliam Email: lejm3(a)cam.ac.uk Flychip Tel: +44 (0)1223 765927 Department of Genetics Fax: +44 (0)1223 333992 University of Cambridge Mobile: 07939 476024 CB2 3EH WWW: www.bio.cam.ac.uk/~lejm3

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Audio HELL
by Ricardo Campos 04 Oct '01

04 Oct '01

I discovered some unruly audio aspects of my linux box; 1)In Nautilus, which I think sux btw (I want a file manager not a multimedia extravaganza), I accidentally put my cursor over about 4 or 5 MP3 files. I then had 5 MP3's playing *at the same time* for about 30 seconds. It was so bad I had to unplug my speakers. 2) Noatun crashed in an unbelievably cute way, and then the audio kept on playing. Is there a way of stopping this unruly sound daemon? Obviously I'm used to audio apps that kill the sound they produce when they die, but it seems Linux's renowned stability is backfiring! :) Ricardo, "Surely this monstrous hybrid comes not from a mother's womb but from an Ephialtes, an Incubus, or some other horrendous demon, as though spawned in a putrid and venemous fungus, son of Fauns and Nymphs, more Devil than man." -Athanasius Kircher, Mundus Subtarraneus, Amsterdam, 1665, pp.279-280 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Audio HELL
by MJ Ray 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

"Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Is there a way of stopping this unruly sound daemon? killall esd, apt-get remove esd and install alsa (but you really want 0.9.0 and it's still a pain to build just now). For less nasty solution, try man esdctl -- MJR I work for this clever Internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Nag-o-matic - future meetings
by Adam Bower 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

Hi people, I warn you now this sounds like a rant as the tone of the message got a little confused when I wrote it, but my intent is to encourage people to get involved, please don't flame me or think I am picking on you :-) Is there any news on the next meeting (UEA people??) and possible venues for future meetings? We are already in October and if we are to have a meeting this month then we really need to find a venue before the end of the week (we also need a date set so I can get motivated to get my a*se in gear and sort out the talk I am supposed to be doing on Debian) and it would be great if we could get November or Decembers meeting date/location arranged now. If you know of a possible venue for an Alug meeting then the requirements are basically enough room for ~30 people to sit and stand and generally mill around, some electrical outlets and some space for people to setup computers. Other nice but not essential things would be a bar and an internet connection. Also experience has shown that people are willing to help out with costs of hiring a hall etc. as long as its not more than a couple of quid each. We could still do with maybe a meeting in Cambridgshire or Essex, as we havn't visited these places yet. Finally if you do know of a venue but are a bit unsure of how to organise a meeting then others will help out, I would book something myself but I am a bit all over the place at the moment. Feel free to give me a shout if you need any specific help though. Hmmm, maybe time for me to sort out getting this kind of thing put in the FAQ. Adam PS if you are a lurker who knows of somewhere good we could go then please de-lurk now :-) -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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(Scripting) languages
by tom potts 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

For Java there is (currently) a free 'RAD' called Forte (Community Edition) which seems pretty good but it uses a bit of resource. This can be run on Win32 or *nix etc etc. If you find java slow try looking for a jit compiler for you installation. Another 'tool' I've been playing with is the mysql/php on a web server. Not overly brilliant in the Maths dept but seems to run on most platforms. I'll be publishing an extendable GNU e-shop (before xmas I hope) built on mysql/php but using odbc to make it a bit more system independent. Haven't found any problems with it yet Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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VRML editors/tools for Linux
by Simon Jude 03 Oct '01

03 Oct '01

Hi, One of the geographical information systems that I use can export data such as digital elevation models to VRML. However, this facility is fairly crude and what I want to do is create a tour around around one of my elevation models using viewpoints and routes so that it can be used in a presentation that I am giving fairly soon. Not having the time to do this manually and learn how VRML works, is there any software for Linux that can do this sort of thing? Any ideas would be appreciated as I don't have a great deal of time!!! Simon School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia, University Plain, Norwich, NR4 7TJ Web http://www.uea.ac.uk/~e931406/research

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > have you considered python? it's object orietated [...] As ever, except the bits which aren't. ;-) -- MJR I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

>have you considered python? it's object orietated, fairly simple and >"compiles" >into p-code whilst also is fairly portable. I have. Definitely one of the runners for this. Fairly as in can be d/l and used on a Win9x machine? At the moment I'm seriously considering Java, Python and TCl. Java seems most likely at the moment. >gui wise there's tkinter, wxWindows, >gtk, kde, and opengl. oh, and google is built on it. and that's just the search engine I'm using so much today! :) Many thanks for all the advice from all parties. I'll have to do a lot more reviewing of each candidate first. Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > I dont know TK/TCL and it is a scripting language but I belive it > would do the job here, anyone with experiance of this frame work? It > is also I belive windows compatable And mac-compatible, last I saw. It is a very very simplistic language, but it is supposed to be fairly easy to use, though. -- MJR I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Exim Upgrade completed!
by Martyn Drake 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Hi folks, Exim 3.33 is now up and running on the server and has been found to be stable enough to go live :) If you experience any problems with the lists over the next couple of days, please drop me a note and I will try and fix things as quickly as I can. Regards, Martyn PS. The only dislike I have about Exim is that in order for anybody to authenticate through SMTP AUTH with /etc/shadow support, you're going to need to use the pam_exim module available from http://www.e-admin.de/pam_exim/ as this is the only "secure" thing that will work other than to run exim as root.

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(Scripting) languages
by Ricardo Campos 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

I have just had the pleasure of writing a little script in VBS; it took me 30 minutes (including making some coffee) from looking at a webpage that included the syntax to actually completing it- this process would have taken me a day in C. (without having to learn it as well) Problem is, of course, the platform specificity. And of course the M$ link. I know there are various scripting laguages out there, but I really need a simple GUI driven non-script language that I can compile for *nix and win32 (urgh!). The reason for non-scripted is that I would like to use subroutines for common functions. It only needs to handle very simple mathematical calculations. (I'm writing handy calculators for players of a wargame, probably mostly window$ users, but I'm a *nix user, obviously, so it has to have support for us!) Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. I suppose I'm just being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND win32. Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C properly. Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another approach? Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by MJ Ray 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

Well, as you know, I'm a scheme fan and I think that GNU have definitely done The Right Thing in making a scheme their main extension language, although it's not perfect and is woefully under-used at the moment, even by official GNU software. Hopefully it can become as common as VB is on that other platform, as there's scope to do so much more with it. What we really need are more good libraries for guile and more good simple introductions to it. Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days is pretty good, though. So for the solution to the problem you have *now*, ie building cross-platform simple GUI non-C apps, I'd suggest taking a look at Visual Tcl, which should easily cope with having a few functions added. Sadly, the docs are rather thin on the ground, but it is basically Tcl behind the scenes, which is a fairly simple language. I think Java would be overkill for such a small app, but that's probably an equally good route, and I don't know Kylix well enough to comment. But I don't really understand why you think scripting means that you can't have functions. The distinction between a scripting language and a programming language is somewhat arbitrary these days. -- MJR This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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