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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by flexifoil＠btinternet.com 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

[apologies using webmail!] > Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly > simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. Java isnt slow, and it gets my vote... > I suppose I'm just > being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND > win32. If you just want CLI, then thats easy. > Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger > program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick > up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C > properly. You could learn as you go... > Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? > Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another > approach? Borlands ? Andrew.

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Furby Linux :)
by Ashley T. Howes 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

http://www.trygve.com/furbeowulf.html Dr. Ashley T. Howes PhD www.ashleyhowes.com Programmer "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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GPPP problems.
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

I'm now in a period of trying Gnome instead of KDE (bored so quickly!). Unfortunately, I can't get Gppp to work. It appears to be pointing to the correct device, has the correct phone #, correct IP& DNS settings etc. But it doesn't really get to that stage. I set up an account and it merely says "The ppp daemon died unexpectedly", which to a newbie like myself leaves bugger all clues except maybe that Gppp is somehow incorrectly interfaced with pppd ??? It feels like I've lost all my troubleshooting skills. Is there a log file that I'm missing somewhere, that could give me some clues? (and maybe I could then give more info to those who're helping me) Kppp works, but it's time to give Gnome a go methinks. It seems a little smoother performance-wise. Ricardo, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Newbie question.... PATHS
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

OK, so I've symlinked Kgcc to gcc, but how does a program know where to look for gcc in the first place? Is it your 'path'? I'm saying this as I'm going to be compiling a Python prgram, but have had no experience in doing so. One of the prereqs is: "make sure Python is in your path". I guess that this is what an NT user would consider an environment variable? Or does it just mean that you have to be in the same dir. ? (seems unlikely) If it is a user env. variable, where is it to be found? ps. if I get my moop/doop running off dhs. you're all welcome to try it out. only 1 at a time, mind, cos the test box will be my home computer- all 46 kbps of bandwidth! whooosh! ;-D Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Server maintenance: 1st October, 2001
by Martyn Drake 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hi, Just to let everybody know that these mailing lists will be unavailable for a short while during the day of the 1st October. I am upgrading to Exim from Sendmail and will need to verify the configuration for both local accounts and Mailman. Regards, Martyn

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1984: Linux not legal????
by Ricardo Campos 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

OK, my subject's a bit dramatic. But I think there are some serious issues relating to the new 'anti-terrorism' legislation, especially for those using SSH or *PGP. The UK RIP act is a favourite topic of mine, I'll spare you the rant, but you can check it out at: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ripa/ripact.htm or here (if you don't want to wade thru legal speak): http://www.cyber-rights.org/ (Main gripe: "Guilty until proven innocent" contravenes all agreed civilised standards of justice, and contravenes both the European and Universal Declaration of Human Rights - has anyone EVER forgotten their PGP password?) (oops, I said no rant! ;) Well, now the US is follwing suit with equally absurd legislation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21830.html and a slightly more alarmist version: http://lwn.net/2001/0913/ God bless ambiguous legislation! ;) Ricardo (PS I know this isn't really technical, but it really isn't social either, and VERY pertinent to Linux) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Virtual window managers
by oms101＠freeuk.com 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

I am using IceWM, back in the past (before a period of KDE instability) I was a KDE fan, but today I feel that ice does all I need from a window manager, and does not use many resources. One think I have wanted to do for some time is start applications in other virtual windows than the virtual window that your window manager starts with in the .xinitrc file. anyhelp would be appresiated. Owen Synge Date: 26-Sep-01 Time: 10:10:11

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Re: [Alug] (k)gcc help?
by MJ Ray 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

"Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Yup, I have made symlinks from kgcc/kg++ to gcc and g++. What is cc? cc is a generic name for the C compiler, still often seen on Sun kit until it has gcc, the GNU C Compiler, installed. > I'm trying to set up a MUSH (rather than a mud) for a friend, and it's a > nice little project for me. (Not that I have time outside of work at the > mo!) Have you seen moop and doop on sourceforge? They're quite interesting takes on the MOO concept (an OO evolution of MUSHes). -- MJR Thesis watch: 30% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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(k)gcc help?
by Ricardo Campos 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Yup, I have made symlinks from kgcc/kg++ to gcc and g++. What is cc? I *have* compiled some programs now, there is only one I'm having real probs with (Pennmush >ftp.pennmush.org<), but I suspect it's not just my machine, one of the makefiles seems lacking (not that my C programming has yet to get to makefiles, more of the 'Hello World' level!)- at least that's what the compiler said. Perhaps the source ain't right? Is there a resource that gives a bit more help on the kind of errors gcc throws up (like error type [1], which seems non-fatal, or error [2] which seems to designate failure). I can debug my progs as they're dead simple, and *I* wrote them, but for other people's it's still a bit of a mystery. After 30 mins going thru the man pages I can't seem to find an exact resource to provide definitions or 'ball-parks' for these errors. saying that, the man pages are huge for gcc, so I may have missed them. I'm trying to set up a MUSH (rather than a mud) for a friend, and it's a nice little project for me. (Not that I have time outside of work at the mo!) Cheers, Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Data cartridges - free!
by Edenyard 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this message, but I don't know where else to go.... I have a quantity of DC600 and DC615 data cartridges that I need to dispose of. I once had plans to install a tape drive in my PC and use them, but it didn't work and, in any case, CD-RW seems to have overtaken us. What's available: 7 DC600, brand new still in selaed wrappers, 8 DC600, used, 14 DC615, used. They're completely FREE to a good home, but the only condition is that they have to be collected from me at Martlesham. If you'd like them or you know anyone else who would, please contact me at GDP(a)edenyard.co.uk - many thanks! Gerald.

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Contemplating Exim
by Martyn Drake 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hi folks, I'm contemplating using Exim as a replacement for Deadmail, and was wondering if there are any pros and cons associated with migrating everything on the existing server (including these lists) to Exim? I've had a bit of a play with it this afternoon and it's straightforward for me, but I don't want to suddenly find that I've run across a compatibility issue that may be lurking somewhere. Regards, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] Unresolved symbols
by MJ Ray 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Paul <paul.corner(a)tesco.net> writes: > depmod -v appears to list all the symbols of each module visited. > Unfortunately, it still doesn't tel me which ones are unresolved - Or maybe > it does, and I don't know how to decipher the info. Aha! It's depmod -e, sorry. man depmod gives the right answers, as always. > I currently have about five different kernels on this machine, 2.2.18-rtx > through to 2.4.9-bifino - That really screws up any C source that depends on > specific kernel version info to build correctly <g> Well, surely as long as you point them to the right include directories it would make it possible, wouldn't it? It depends if you need them to run when they require particular information. -- MJR Thesis watch: 30% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Strong case for text web browsers...
by tom potts 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Sorry to disabuse you: the presence of a tag mentioning creation by FrontPage in web page merely means that at some time someone has looked at the site with FrontPage - its a true M$ product and would claim responsibility for anything. I have inadvertently used it to move a couple of files in a web site (it re-points urls to the pages you move) only to discover that the 16000 pages in the site were all created by frontpage (and all about 5 times the size as well!) Praise them for aiming at Lynx - all we need to do know is teach people how to use HTML properly. Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble - A Step Forward
by MJ Ray 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

"Edenyard" <mail(a)edenyard.co.uk> writes: > So it seems as though there's an issue with kernel 2.2 and BOTH of my > IDE CD drives, whereas kernel 2.4 and 2.0 (Slack 3.5) apparently have > no trouble with those drives. Could this be the case? Indeed it could and from what you've said, it even seems quite likely. If you still want debian, I guess you'll need to get some woody disks. -- MJR Thesis watch: 30% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Unresolved symbols
by MJ Ray 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Paul <paul.corner(a)tesco.net> writes: > Question though - Is there an easy way of finding out what symbols are > causing the error messages reported by depmod ? I think there's a -v option to depmod which gets you the full list of symbols. However, the usual cause of such problems is because you installed two kernels with the same modules directory simultaneously. For this reason, when building my own kernel packages, I tend to add a suffix (EXTRAVERSION I think the Makefile directive is) to the version. Debian don't do that, so I avoid conflicting. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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MDK 8.0 probs
by Ricardo Campos 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Here's a little warning for anyone wishing to try Mandrake 8.0:- EVERY source I've compiled has failed. Sometimes rpms work, sometimes they don't (even though they are MDK rpm's). I thought I was just being inept(fairly likey really), but why EVERY source? I looked over various BBS's and realised that I was not the only one... a LOT of people were having this problem. Seems that MDK, in an effort to be cutting edge, has sacrificed reliability and used a less stable version of gcc. grrr. Ref for solution: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?topic=861&forum=5 Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble - A Step Forward
by Edenyard 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:16:02 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: >> hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive > (....) > Is that there appears to be problems with Wearnes CD-Rom drives in Gateway > computers and they replaced the drives with Toshiba units as they did not > ship Wearnes due to multiple replacement issues. > Is your machine one made by Gateway by any chance? If not it may be that > the Wearnes drive is not very good or something related. > No - it has a label on the front saying 'Bull' - I was beginning to think that I couldn't agree more.... However, there's progress: I couldn't understand why neither the 2X Wearnes or the 12X Liteon would work with Debian, although they'd both previously installed Redhat 7 without any difficulty. Suddenly (I'm very slow at these things!) it came to me that Redhat uses kernel 2.4, but the troublesome Debian (and Slack with the 12X drive) both use kernel 2.2. I remembered having seen something on the Slackware 8 disks that suggested that the 2.4.5 kernel could be installed if needed. In sheer desperation, I tried making a 2.4.5 bare.i boot disk this morning. Amazingly, Slack 8 installed on the 12X CD drive without a murmur. I did it twice, just to make sure. So it seems as though there's an issue with kernel 2.2 and BOTH of my IDE CD drives, whereas kernel 2.4 and 2.0 (Slack 3.5) apparently have no trouble with those drives. Could this be the case? Anyway - one lives and learns. I wonder what my next hurdle will be.... Gerald.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Unresolved symbols
by Paul 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Hi Folks Just spent the last few days bludgeoning a kernel source in to submission. Finally got it working on a RH6.x system (the RH7.2 will be next). Just one small elephant in the ointment though - When I run depmod, I get a report of unresolved symbols in a handfull of modules, yet when installing them, not an error or warning in sight. The stress tests all run without hanging the system, so I assume there is no major problem with the modules. Question though - Is there an easy way of finding out what symbols are causing the error messages reported by depmod ? Once the errant symbols have been identified, I would hope to be able to fix them without too much trouble. Regards, Paul.

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how to resume dowloads?
by John Woodard 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

When I use that `other' os I have a small utility (Gozilla!) that resumes http downloads if I loose my connection. Is there some way of doing the same in Linux? I know that ftp clients do the same but if I download over http I'd quite like the same facility. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:02:24 +0100, Steve Fosdick wrote: > Still I guess what we really need to know is what chipset the > IDE interface appears to be from a software point of view, so > we are looking for lines from the output of dmesg like the Below is the output of my dmesg. It doesn't actually report the chipset number, merely 'VP_IDE'. I understand the chipset to be a VIA 580 VPX. Is that a troublesome one? Gerald. ====== dmesg output: ================================================ Linux version 2.2.19 (root@bigkitty) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #22 Wed Jun 20 18:12:16 PDT 2001 (then, a few lines later) Serial driver version 4.27 with HUB-6 MANY_PORTS MULTIPORT SHARE_IRQ enabled ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A pty: 512 Unix98 ptys configured Real Time Clock Driver v1.09 RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size loop: registered device at major 7 VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 39 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6000-0x6007, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0x6008-0x600f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio hda: ST33240A, ATA DISK drive hdc: WEARNES RUBY CD-ROM, ATAPI CDROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 hda: ST33240A, 3077MB w/0kB Cache, CHS=781/128/63 hdc: ATAPI 2X CD-ROM drive, 128kB Cache Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.11 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor PC87306 md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 (etc.) =====================================================================

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On 22 Sep 2001 09:09:43 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Might be something about the controller or drive that it doesn't like. > I see you have it on hdc (secondary master, usually). Have you tried > moving it to the same controller as the hard disk (hdb, primary > slave)? If it works then, it's probably that controller it doesn't > I've just tried that suggestion. I set the CD to slave and put it on the HD's ribbon cable. Unfortunately, it's not made any difference. I went into the BIOS setup and disabled the now unused secondary IDE controller, just in case that was responsible, but that had no effect either. Hmmm... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:55:38 +0100 (BST), Adam Bower wrote: > What kind of io chipset does your motherboard have? as there are a couple > that have bugs under linux. That may be something to look at. > On boot-up, the BIOS reports the string: 02/11/99-82C580VP-2A5LA008C-00 along the bottom of the screen. Also, a hardware diagnosis programme running under DOS on that PC reports: VIA 580 VPXchipset Revision Level.........: 16 Sustained 3T Write.....: Yes CPU Pipeline active....: No DRAM Timing Control....: (x) normal, ( ) fast, ( ) turbo System BIOS cacheable..: No Video BIOS cacheable..: No L2-Cache status........: enabled L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: Pipeline Burst SRAM L2-Cache SRAM Type.....: 256 KB L2 Tag Configuration...: 8+0 L2-Cache WriteBack Mode: No Memory Hole............: none SDRAM Burst Write......: No SDRAM Interleave.......: No CPU/PCI Write Buffer...: Yes PCI/DRAM Post Writing..: Yes PCI/DRAM Prefetch......: Yes PCI Dynamic Bursting...: No PCI Burst..............: No PCI Master 0WS Write...: No Quick Frame Generation.: No Does that answer your question, or should I look somewhere else? Is there a list of chipsets that don't work properly under Linux? Gerald.

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Debian Linux Trouble
by Edenyard 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

Dear List, Last week, I sent a plea to the list asking for help with installing Slackware and Debian. As a result of that, John Seago kindly delivered his CD sets to me and now I've got Slackware 8 installed and working. It turns out that I had two problems: (1) the Crazy Penguin CDs were no good, and (2) my 12X CD drive kept locking up when installing .TGZ files to HD - if I copied the files to the DOS partition first and installed from there, it worked. My CD drive problem appeared to be solved by getting hold of an old IDE 2X Wearnes drive - that installed Slackware from the CDs, slowly, but without any further problems. Encouraged, I tried installing Debian 2.2r3 from John's CDs. Firstly, it claimed that it couldn't find /cdrom/ (having already installed the 'base system' from CD...) but I seemed to overcome that by installing a different 'flavor' of system - I'd tried idepci at first, but ended up with the 'vanilla' one (is that the right term??). Having installed the abse system, I then got as far as choosing the packages to install. Unfortunately, part way through the package installation, I got these messages: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 {Busy} hdc: ATAPI reset complete hdc: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest} hdc: drive not ready for command (etc.) A new line, similar to those above, would appear every few seconds. The CD LED was permanently on and I couldn't open the drawer. Very similar to the problems I was having with the 12X drive last week. So I'm stumped (again) and my question (eventually!) is: where do I go from here? Why does the CD drive get locked up like this? (And why didn't it happen whilst installing Slackware 8?) Sorry if I seem very stupid asking these questions, but I'm desperate for an answer. (Details: P166-MMX with 64Mb RAM, Cirrus 5446 video onboard, 3Gb HD on hda and IDE CD drive on hdc) Any clues will be very gratefully received! All the best, Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Smugness, Nimda, Linux and Windows
by MJ Ray 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > Well, with a c program, the first exploitable bug you are likely to find > is a buffer overflow. > With perl, you move into the realm of shopping carts, webmail and so on. > Quite often authentication mechanisms are insufficient, poorly thought > out. Also there's the old open(HANDLE, $userstring); thing (where > $userstring is set to "/bin/rm -rf / |") Ah, sorry, I interpreted: "once you take out buffer overflows you end up with the inability of programmers to create a decent authentication system. (Think hotmail, banks, etc)" as meaning that without buffer overflows, you cannot create a decent authentication system, which goes against everything I've ever seen, of course. If we just mean insecure execution with user-tainted data, then I know that bug (and I'm just trying to eradicate it from yet another place). -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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