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Re: [Alug] About ntlworld in Norwich area.. coming soonish
by brodders＠cwcom.net 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

?? I take it that's via a BT line Owen? How do you access ntl? I'm a C&W customer with a C&W phone line. ntl bought them out late 1999 - I've had an ntlworld acount since um March 2000 but it just does not connect; I try every few months and the old C&W exchange refuses the ntl dialup number saying "the number you have dialled has not been recognised". ntl have said that the old C&W exchange will have to be upgraded before ntlworld is available & the C&W kit does support ntlworld. No, this isn't broadband stuff - plain old V.90! Perhaps it'll be V.92 if the upgrade really is new. Snag is, the way I read it the old C&W email I use is going to die - I hate changing my main email address about. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <oms101(a)freeuk.com> To: <brodders(a)cwcom.net> Cc: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] About ntlworld in Norwich area.. coming soonish > I have got ntlworld access already (except it was down all mornig due to a > lightning strike) its just the broad band service thats coming soonish I thought > > Owen > > > On 30-Aug-01 brodders(a)cwcom.net wrote: > > Re a thread weeks ago about Cable & Wireless customers in Norwich finally > > getting > > ntlworld acces... this was in my mailbox today: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Some time ago you registered for our internet service ntlworld and we thank > > you for your patience. During this time, we've been working to upgrade our > > network > > to deliver the service in your area and we're delighted to inform you that > > we'll <<big snip >>

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About ntlworld in Norwich area.. coming soonish
by brodders＠cwcom.net 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

Re a thread weeks ago about Cable & Wireless customers in Norwich finally getting ntlworld acces... this was in my mailbox today: Dear Sir, Some time ago you registered for our internet service ntlworld and we thank you for your patience. During this time, weve been working to upgrade our network to deliver the service in your area and were delighted to inform you that well soon be able to give you ntlworld. ntlworld will be provided to replace your current internet service (please see below for details). ntlworld the free unmetered internet service from ntl offers you five email addresses, webmail, webdiary, 10MB of web space, ten content channels and the ntl web directory (your easy reference to more than a million websites). On top of that, extensive on-line help will be available to you. Theres also a 24 hour Technical Support Line if you need to call us (calls are charged at £1 per minute). To receive ntlworld you dont need to do a thing. Within the next few weeks we will send you an email telling you when you can expect to receive your installation CD. You dont need to contact us, as we have your details and we have no further information about delivery dates at present. Upon receipt of the CD, you must install it before 31st October 2001. Important changes to your current internet service Following our acquisition of the retail assets of Cable & Wireless Communications Services Ltd, Cable and Wireless agreed to continue to manage your current internet service on our behalf until the 30th November 2001. As this agreement is coming to an end, we regret to inform you that your current internet service will not be available after the 30th November 2001. However by this date, youll be able to access ntlworld, which we hope will minimise any inconvenience this may cause. If you decide not to take up our offer to receive ntlworld, you will need to make alternative arrangements for your internet service from the 30th November 2001. Tariff changes for Connect customers If you are a Connect customer and decide to take up this ntlworld offer, you will automatically be migrated to the standard ntl call plan tariff*. This tariff offers a simple 3-2-1 pricing structure for local and national calls: 3p a minute weekdays, 2p a minute weekday evenings and 1p a minute at weekends wherever you call in the UK. This gives you: National calls at local rates, allowing you to call all around the country for the same price as calling next door. Unlimited Free offpeak Talktime** to other ntl cable telephone customers in your local call area. Access to an International Call Plan*** option with low international rates, such as 5p a minute to Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada and many more. All calls have a 4.9p connection charge. Once again, thank you for you patience, and we hope you will take full advantage of this opportunity to enjoy the benefits of ntlworld. Yours sincerely, Jane Lockyer Head of Customer Relationship Management Ref: L018 *This migration is as a result of standardising our network following our acquisition of the retail assets of Cable & Wireless Communications Services Ltd. Whether you decide to take up the ntlworld internet offer or not, your telephone tariff will change with effect from 30th November 2001. A further communication to Connect customers will follow prior to this date. The 3-2-1 tariff applies to local, regional and national calls only including all calls from Northern Ireland to the Republic of Ireland. Separate tariffs apply to other calls including non geographic calls. All calls are subject to a 4.9p connection charge. **Free Talktime applies to calls from your ntl residential telephone to friends and family who are also ntl residential telephone customers and live in the local call area, from 6pm to 8am during the week and all weekend. All calls are subject to a 4.9p connection charge. Excludes calls to access Internet service providers. For details of local call areas please call Customer Services. ***International Call Plan subscription charge of £2 per month applies. Terms and conditions apply: http://www.ntlworld.com/legals/user-policy.htm All services are subject to contract and availability in your area. ntlworld is only available to residential customers who are 18 or over. Calls to ntl call centres may be monitored for training purposes. Information is correct at time of going to print 08.01. ntl Group Limited Registered Office: ntl House Bartley Wood Business Park Hook Hampshire RG27 9UP Registered in England and Wales No.2591237

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Slight DNS fu
by markj＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 01 Sep '01

01 Sep '01

Hi all, alug.org.uk has had some DNS problems. Martyn assures me that all will be fine soon. Thanks for your patience during this difficult time. ;-) Talk to you soon, MJR

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Re: [Alug] diald
by MJ Ray 30 Aug '01

30 Aug '01

Raphael Mankin <raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk> writes: > I had no trouble with diald. The advantage of using it, over cron, > is that the itnerface appears to be there at all times, even if it > is not active. Using cron to change your filter on ppp0 (which is there all the time pppd is running) has the same effect.

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Crying Wolf
by Earl Brannigan 30 Aug '01

30 Aug '01

Hi John > Subject: [Alug] Crying Wolf > I would be grateful however if > someone can hazard a guess at why the programmes on my first hard > drive seem to be either self destructing or slowly dieing, a bit at a > time? A stab in the dark : I had a similar problem once where I had 64Mb of memory installed and Linux 'thought' I had 128 Mb installed. View /etc/lilo.conf and check for : append = "mem=XXX" where XXX is a value representing how much memory is installed, eg. if you have 128MB of memory the line should read : append = "mem=128M" if it reads more than you have then you have a problem anyway, regardless of whether this is the cause of this particular problem (As Linus Torvalds puts it "Bad things will happen"). The Linux Kernel addresses up to 64Mb of memory by default so up to that amount you should be safe (though I do remember reading somewhere that its always safer to specify exactly how much even if less than 64Mb). If you have >64Mb installed but there is no line in lilo.conf you will only address the 1st 64Mb. So you would need to add a line to address the full memory : Here is a dump from mine : ---------snip----------- boot = /dev/hda timeout = 50 linear prompt default = linux vga = normal read-only map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19.0 label = linux append = "mem=128M" root = /dev/hda1 ---------snip----------- The " append = " bit is merely passing the value as a parameter to the kernel at boot time. Hope this helps anyway, will continue to rack brains for other possible causes... Regards Earl

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Re: [Alug] diald
by MJ Ray 30 Aug '01

30 Aug '01

Raphael Mankin <raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk> writes: > diald lets you control *when* connections are made. It also provides som > filtering to prevent the connection from being raised for various classes of > traffic. If you replace 'anyreason' by 'little reason', however, I agree with > you. I think all the filtering and timing can be controlled by cron, connection scripts and ipchains/iptables with pppd. It's not such a one-stop-shop, but it is more widely used and stabler, in my experience. I just remember diald being hell to get working. I'm not sure it ever did work correctly for me. Not used it again since, so maybe they've updated it.

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Crying Wolf
by John Seago 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Please ignore last plea for help, I ran the install disk in rescue mode, and while I have no idea what I was doing I managed to get it to work again. This is either very good luck, or very good work on the part of the original programmers. I would be grateful however if someone can hazard a guess at why the programmes on my first hard drive seem to be either self destructing or slowly dieing, a bit at a time? John

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Further developments/failures
by John Seago 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Matters seem to go from bad to worse, having restarted I find that the linux, (Mandrake 8), on disk one has now lost its < file:/usr/share/applink-mdk/XXXXXXXX > the effect is that all thelaunch icons on the panel are now inactive, while those on the desktop still work. Can I as someone who has yet to be able to work the command line mend it, or would it be easier to re-install? john Seago

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Re: [Alug] diald
by MJ Ray 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

Danny Thorp <danny(a)thorp.fsworld.co.uk> writes: > Any ideas? Have you tried pppconfig, like the good book says? You might also find pppd's persist option some use. I don't think there's any reason for diald any more.

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Re Screen resolution problems
by John Seago 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

On Turning on my computer I found that the resolution problem had solved itself, (albeit not very satisfactorily ). Both sets of Linux are now displaying perfectly, as are their start-up processes. Windows however has dissapeared, it's partition is still there but it is empty! I would very much like to know what I did, in order to avoid doing it again. In case you're wondering why two lots of the same thing, I knew how to get Mandrake 8 to install, and not being sure how to install on my second disk I started with Mandrake 8, I have Red Hat, Progeny, Debian and Slackware as more interesting/exciting projects to install. (They also appear to be wellbeyond my level of competence!). John Seago

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diald
by Danny Thorp 29 Aug '01

29 Aug '01

hello all: I have finally got round to trying debian on an old p120 for evaluation. Results so far are v.good with the exception of diald, which refuses to connect. Accounts are configured as on my Suse machine so settings should be correct. using other methods is no good either, Gppp will not establish session pppd "dies unexpectedly" Wvdial will not allow me access to the modem, permissions are set to 'no auth' and I believe that anyone should be able to initiate a tcp/ppp connection. but no. Any ideas? Ta Danny

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Re: [Alug] Multi-Media Publishing - Print and HTML
by MJ Ray 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > Well heck yes, but the Grail is not to tweak less, but not to tweak at > all. What are stylesheets but tweaking on a larger scale. I'm sure you could write tex4ht stylesheets and not have to tweak at all. > 80/20 is well known to me. I would say I did maybe three loops of that, > when I could have done it in one loop with Word (space-greedy tables > were what I needed, and apparently the one area LaTeX lacks). That might be because greedy tables are bad. Anyway, I'm sure that they can be done, as I've seen them done. > And I read manuals _extremely_ well... how else am I gonna learn anything > at uni? I'll maintain a respectful silence on that point, I think. [FOP] > Woops. It sounded new, when I looked at the website, and having never > heard of it... Hrm. I don't think it can be that new, as I'm sure we were creating PDFs from XML some time ago. My memory is suspect, so I wouldn't like to hazard a guess as to when exactly and I'm not going fishing the log book for it. Definitely early this year, though.

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

"D.I. Redhouse" <dir21(a)cus.cam.ac.uk> writes: > > Announce ALUG 2001.5 > If nobody's got any objections I was planning to bimble along to > this. [...] !!! Of course we have no objections! The more the merrier, especially if they bring biscuits. We'll let you off in light of the great service you're offering: > [...] So it seems only polite to say that since I have a nice fast > connection and more CD burners than you can shake a stick at: if > anybody wants CDs of ISOs that they can't get down a modem or > whatever, I'll make them up and bring them along if you let me know > what exactly you want (within reason, like). Given the meeting topic, Debian CDs (probably only Binary-1-NONUS) would be great. I guess you want people to pre-order? I'm sure Adam will attack the FAQ as soon as he gets back ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Multi-Media Publishing - Print and HTML
by MJ Ray 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

LxS <Alexis.Lee(a)uea.ac.uk> writes: > Which, IMHO, means they're not really going to help you any more than > your existing word processor. You'll probably still need to mess with > the HTML output to get it looking nice. Maybe you will still need to tweak it, but it'll be a lot less than disentangling word processor HTML output. > Besides, it took me a day and a half to get a letter which looked even > half decent using LaTeX, and I missed off a lot of the complicated bits. > It is old, at least, and hence stable. Depends on what you claim as "half-decent" and how well you read manuals. (You're a computing student, aren't you? ;-) ) You have to remember the 80/20 rule and ask whether the 20 is worth it. > MJR or anyone: is the Apache FOP any good? Can't be bothered to learn > all about FOs if there isn't even a working processor yet... I'll let Andrew say about how well it works, as I've not used it for some time. I believe it still works, though. > ps. and the stupid way they write tex/latex REALLY gets on my nerves. Define it as a macro ;-)

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Announce ALUG 2001.5
by John Woodard 28 Aug '01

28 Aug '01

Announce ALUG 2001.5 The next meeting of ALUG (Anglian Linux User Group) will be on Sunday 16th September 2:00 - 6:00pm at Syleham and Wingfield Village Hall (Mid Suffolk venue). Venue details at http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html I will of as ever volunteer to organise this meeting and any future Mid Suffolk meets. If enough people want it I might be able to get the bar opened for the afternoon so make your requests now. The promotion of the meeting via Usenet can be left to me I will do it ASAP so if there are any news groups you think would be an appropriate place to advertise let me know in the past I have announced meets to: uk.comp.os.linux alt.local.east-anglia comp.os.linux.announce (local:) and the pcplus.linux news groups are there any I have missed? If you are coming mail me with what kit you are bringing and any requests for help and we will get it put up on the web site as before. Cheers, BJ

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Cooking Trees
by David Freeman 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

All, Hello, I am writing this email from Belgium. I am sat in a field typeing this mail via a 802.11 based microwave link 0.95 miles to the nearest ISDN line. I spent a lot of time this weekend climbing a telegraph pole to fix a 14dB antennae to the top. But it works, much to the amazement of those watching. And the irony of wearing a "will work for bandwidth" T-shirt and working for a telecoms company! I will try to get to IRC tonight. Thanks D - From the linux beer wanderung -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Screen resolution problems
by John Seago 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

I'm posting this to the main list as I don't have the remotest idea of where to start looking for information. This is what I did, I installed Mandrake 8 on my second, (Primary slave), Hard Disk Drive, I used the expert mode in order to create a partition, I ended up with, on the first disk: Windows/Office & Mandrake 8 on the second disk: Mandrake 8 However, the computer would only boot windows on the first disk, and mandrake on the second disk, after several adventures in to Lilo, (fuelled by over confidence), I managed to get all three to boot. This was not the end of my problems as ALL the programmes Windows, Mandrakes 1 & 2 were displayed at the wrong resolution, while there start ups were in normal (800x600) resolution. Now having recklessly twiddled, I have both mandrakes displaying normally, but windows and the start up scripts for both in a small format. All help gratefully received but please remember that I need to make any corrections and I don't understand the command line, graphical solutions preffered John.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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The list has moved.
by MJ Ray 27 Aug '01

27 Aug '01

This is just a final test to confirm that the list has moved to the new server at lists.alug.org.uk and changed its name to "main". I'll update the web site and add forwarding to take care of it now. You will need to visit the web site (address below) to reset any special options. We have moved between versions of mailman, so I haven't kept option settings. Regular/digest was kept, though. Apologies to digest members for the extra email. ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Multi-Media Publishing - Print and HTML
by MJ Ray 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > What do people currently recommend in order to publish the same > document both in printable form, and as HTML? Two options: LaTeX with dvipdfm and tex4ht's htlatex; XML with XSLT and FOP. Which is better? I still don't know. The LaTeX tools are quite a bit easier to get started with and better tested, but they don't keep content and layout apart.

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Re: [Alug] The list has moved.
by MJ Ray 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > I take it moving the list is so we no longer rely on UEA for > anything now that you are no longer studying there. That is the main reason. I haven't actually controlled the server the lists were running on since last October. Now that Brett has left UEA too, that server will pass into the unknown and it seemed a good idea to move. > On whose generosity do we now depend, both for the mailing lis > and for the web site? Martyn Drake, an ALUG member who has moved to London.

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Multi-Media Publishing - Print and HTML
by Steve Fosdick 26 Aug '01

26 Aug '01

What do people currently recommend in order to publish the same document both in printable form, and as HTML? I need to be able to be able to control the style of the print and HTML versions. The print version should ideally be available as RTF or as PDF and the HTML output should use a stylesheet (CSS). Both formats will need to be able to include images. I am currently using a word processor to do the print version and using paragraphs styles so that HTML conversion is pretty easy, but there is still a little fixing up to do at the end. What I am hoping to be able to do instead is to write in a content language (XML or SGML) and then convert that to the relavent output format with an automatic processor that applies a stylesheet. So, what do you recommend? Steve.

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Re: [Alug] sabcmd
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > [...] but in the end I shall have to install sabcmd if I want to > test things, also I am interested in the mechanisms of the make > files. Well, I'm sure you can find and install sablotron then ;-) That's not really meant as a harsh reply, but providing working cross-distribution binaries when at least one major distributor is still sticking two fingers up to the FHS isn't a game I want to play when I don't have to. Hope you understand, MJR.

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Re: [Alug] sabcmd
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > could you please put sabcmd in the cvs system as then it will be > simpler to setup and get started with the web site. If this is a bad > idea due to the size of sabcmd why because we have all got to use it > to produce alug web pages. so it might as well come all in one > peace. sabcmd is part of sablotron. It is not necessary to install sablotron to produce alug web pages. This is explained on the page http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/background/cvs-access.html but I should link to the sablotron site somewhere. Once again: It is not necessary. Indeed, I don't have it installed here.

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ALUG artwork
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Just to remind you that there's a poster for the next meeting at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/alug/syleham20016.pdf and to announce that there's a page of ALUG banners, buttons etc at http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/articles/2001a/promoart.html

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