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Re: [Alug] sabcmd
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > [...] but in the end I shall have to install sabcmd if I want to > test things, also I am interested in the mechanisms of the make > files. Well, I'm sure you can find and install sablotron then ;-) That's not really meant as a harsh reply, but providing working cross-distribution binaries when at least one major distributor is still sticking two fingers up to the FHS isn't a game I want to play when I don't have to. Hope you understand, MJR.

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Re: [Alug] sabcmd
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

oms101(a)freeuk.com writes: > could you please put sabcmd in the cvs system as then it will be > simpler to setup and get started with the web site. If this is a bad > idea due to the size of sabcmd why because we have all got to use it > to produce alug web pages. so it might as well come all in one > peace. sabcmd is part of sablotron. It is not necessary to install sablotron to produce alug web pages. This is explained on the page http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/background/cvs-access.html but I should link to the sablotron site somewhere. Once again: It is not necessary. Indeed, I don't have it installed here.

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ALUG artwork
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Just to remind you that there's a poster for the next meeting at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/alug/syleham20016.pdf and to announce that there's a page of ALUG banners, buttons etc at http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/articles/2001a/promoart.html

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) I suppose a "What is Debian?" talk would be a good one. There's lots of info available on it. Anyone up to deliver this? Just a short one...

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meetings
by MJ Ray 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > How about: [...] > a November meeting organised by Simon Parkes at Red Lodge Simon, is this a possibility? If so, I'll include it in the poster I'm throwing together. Red Lodge is in Suffolk, isn't it?

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Of cars and lifts
by Steve Kuo 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Um... if lifts are being given, I live at the UEA and could use one too... ===== --------------- Steve Kuo "Windows Multitasking - Crash several programs at once, no waiting" ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:39:40 +0100 (BST) linux user stuff wrote: > On Wed 22 Aug, David Freeman wrote: > [snip] > > What do you want to know? I am thinking of writing something for the > > website on this, but I have been busy writing my first RFC "IP over > Liquid > > Beverage Containers" of late so haven't had much time. > > > > If you want to forward me some questions you want answered I will add > > them as FAQ and also answer them. > > > > Oh and BTW it was me who did the stuff at the UEA. > > Yes, I was aware of that but I was busy having the kernel on my machine > attended to, by Adam I think, and I never had time to ask questions. What > sort of equipment is needed? What sort of cost? What licensing > conditions are > there and is the exam - I assume there is one - very difficult? its a brave man who lets adam fiddle with there kernel :o) The first question I have to ask is what do you want to use it for, how much money do you have and howmany users? Followed shortly by why did you think there was an exam for using wireless? I know you need to do an exam for a VHF license (got mine soon) but for 802.11 you don't it sits in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) band and is license exempt. Not however that Bluetooth, kitchen Microwaves, video senders and lots of other bits of kit live in this band. Thanks D > -- > __ __| |_ __ __ .------------------------------------------. > / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:linux@wymondham.demon.co.uk | > \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |__________________________________________| > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > I know you need to do an exam for a VHF license (got mine soon) but for > 802.11 you don't it sits in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) 802.11? Airsnort! see http://lwn.net/ security section amongst others.

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Re: [Alug] FW: I thought you might want this
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > Besides, if Mr. Stallman sees that plate, your car is history. To paraphrase RMS, "Richard Stallman is not the great Satan". I doubt even he would expect something which is (still) impossible with our number plate system. There must be more "GNU" plates out there than "L1NUX" plates, anyway ;-)

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Syleham poster 4 u
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Initial details of the syleham meeting should be on the website. A poster to be scattered around liberally is at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/alug/syleham20016.pdf I'd wait until tomorrow, though, so that I can correct all the goofs that people will point out to me ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Security problems (was Lurkers)
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Can someone clue me in on how MITM attack would work here? Key stroke analysis even. > I'm probably just hard-of-thinking this morning. Yes, you are, aren't you?

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Security problems (was Lurkers)
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > ssh: mitm, key stroke analysis (which seems to have been "discovered" lately > but i thought it was obvious to anyone sitting down with tcpdump > and an ethernet with ssh...) Can someone clue me in on how MITM attack would work here? Am I right in thinking it's only when the user types their password into the remote machine? > The problem with certificate based approaches is that in order to be What alternatives are there to certificates? I'm probably just hard-of-thinking this morning.

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FW: I thought you might want this
by Earl Brannigan 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Anyone got a few grand to spare.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1181583482 Cheers Earl

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Alexis Lee has the sig: >The early bird gets the worm. The second mouse gets the cheese. - Jen Hopkins Wow! Did I really say that? ;-) I'll offer up a laptop for a debian install, but it was pretty tricky when i put redhat on there. Jen

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

Adam Bower wrote: >It sounds like control characters are getting written to the console or >something? try booting it in single user mode and see if it lets you login >then? OK, thanks for all the comments on this - turns out it is a hardware problem; bios is all screwed up too - graphics card, maybe, or a BUS thing. I'll have to try and get my hands on some other bits when i'm back. Perhaps leaving it running overnight caused bad connections to loosen further if they warmed up. The errorlog postgres thing must be a coincidental error causing a red herring . Jenny.

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Re: Window managers // was Re: [Alug] Website
by MJ Ray 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk writes: > While I see your point, and mostly agree with it, I can understand that > some people who spend a lot of time at their conputer may be of the > opinion that it may as well be a nice environment to look at, right? Why > do people decorate their houses? Well, that's what X gave you a root window for. With all due respect, <rant>most theming equates more to taking all the door handles off and replacing them with a small button 20cm above the bottom hinge-side corner of the door than giving it a new coat of paint. Yes, I put graphics on my root window (xplanet with cloud maps at home, random web images from a script I wrote at work) and change the colours of various parts of the system. I even skin gkrellm. I don't change the way all controls work every time, though.</rant> > As for spare CPU cycles, I thought everyone was running seti@home these > days.. ;) distributed.net, surely?

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by David Freeman 24 Aug '01

24 Aug '01

On 23 Aug 2001 22:06:50 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > > > > 1. John Woodard -- "Why I can't install Debian" > > Mine was more of a question than a talk. I fear the talk would be > rather > > short along the lines of "I can't install deb coz I'm a total > plonker!" at > > leat in the eyes of MJR I am. :-) > > Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) > > A list of problems might be a good challenge to end the block on, > though. I'm sure with the hard drive swapping, there's more than > enough to draw on for 5 mins or so. > > And no, John, you're not a plonker from where I'm standing. There's > someone far ahead in that contest ;-) /me wonders who you are refering to here :o) Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Jonathan McDowell wrote: >Pet hate. It's Jonathan. That's the most common way of spelling the >name. There are some Jonathon's but they're vastly in the minority. Sorry about that. >> Will I have to crash out here? Bum. >If you have Magic SysRQ support compiled in try: >ALT-SysRQ-r >and see if that helps. If it doesn't: >ALT-SysRQ-s ALT-SysRQ-u >to sync and remount reonly the disks. >Or if you can log in remotely: >reset < /dev/tty1 >perhaps. No ctl-alt-del, no response from ALT-SysRQ-*, can't log in remotely, connection refused. Can't ping from other boxes. Can't log in blind as no response from many keys, including the "n" key which all my passwords contain. Cold reboot and box is still behaving the same - i.e. can't do anything with it. I don't understand - I go home leaving it switched on, come back next morning and it is kaput. Don't tell me there is no solution except a reinstall? Why me? I think I'll give up computers and take up the bass again. :-( Or take up absailing. Bricklaying. Cycling. Knitting. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] tty puzzle
by John Seago 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

Perhaps you should try Slackware, I understand from having bought the disks and scanned the various web-sites on installation and configuration, that it's even more complicated/difficult than Debian, (I've put it to one side until I understand what I'm trying to do with what I've got). Note that the one recent mention of Slackware 8 was from someone who wanted to buy it with the manual! It could provide a challenge even greater than abseiling! And no don't ask me I can't even work out how to get at my second disk! John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:00:28 +0100 xsprite(a)bigfoot.com wrote: > on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:11:05AM +0000, David Freeman scribbled: > > > > Web server of anything outside of a firewall == OpenBSD > > > Why OpenBSD? > It doesn't even have a mature firewalling system at the momement, let > alone an > easy to use isakmp daemon. > Oh, and they've also dropped qmail, djbdns, publicfile, as well as ipf. Security, lack of wholes. > Even Linux has security-orientated code audits performed on it now. > So how is it more secure/a better choice? I wan't aware that Linux had audits like this. Maybe Linux would be a better choice. > It's hellishly slow on most low spec stuff that you would normally > love to use > as a dedicated firewall/small webserver. A p100 with 8 megs of ram > crawls under > openbsd. The task scheduler pretty crappy. The same box flies under > NetBSD. > Oh, and NetBSD runs under about 44 architectures. But how well audited is netBSD? how many wholes are there in it? Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 23 Aug 2001 22:05:12 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > > > I know you need to do an exam for a VHF license (got mine soon) but for > > 802.11 you don't it sits in the Industrial, Scientific and Medical (ISM) > > 802.11? Airsnort! see http://lwn.net/ security section amongst > others. Hey get with the picture, WEP was cracked ages ago. It is known to be easy to crack. As for Airsnort its just a free version of a package I saw for windows which did all the same stuff. If you run 802.11 then you need to run IPSec over the top, its the only way of making it secure. Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > > 1. John Woodard -- "Why I can't install Debian" > Mine was more of a question than a talk. I fear the talk would be rather > short along the lines of "I can't install deb coz I'm a total plonker!" at > leat in the eyes of MJR I am. :-) Oh, OK, we're looking for a new talk, people ;-) A list of problems might be a good challenge to end the block on, though. I'm sure with the hard drive swapping, there's more than enough to draw on for 5 mins or so. And no, John, you're not a plonker from where I'm standing. There's someone far ahead in that contest ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:14:13 +0100 (BST) Adam Bower wrote: > On 23 Aug 2001, MJ Ray wrote: > > > As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent > > venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the > > meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with > > questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. > > I did promise to do a talk on the Debian package management systems apt > and dselect, and the differences between stable, testing and unstable of > Debian. I will also try and talk about the Debian policy of free and > Non-free although most of it will be word for word from the Faq. /me is annoyed at not being there. > I will try and sort this out after the Linux Beer Wanderung, and there > should be photos of the LBW also. If we sobber up and you get that square peg (pile of kit) in the round hole (60L backpack) > I think there may also be the chance to watch NetBSD getting > (well attempting) installed on some old Vax kit! but this depends on other > outside circumstances. That depends on when you pick my vaxes up from cam! As I wont be there I think we can leave this till the next one I can make. Taking a vax on the train sounds like fun :o) Thanks D > Adam > -- > This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed > Adam > > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Announce ALUG 2001.5
by MJ Ray 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

"John Woodard" <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > Announce ALUG 2001.5 Point of order, it's 2001.6. I know 2001.5 isn't on the site, but that's Mr Freeman's fault, I think. Can you give us until tomorrow to get this web page online? > are there any I have missed? uklinux.linuxnbsd on news.uklinux.net? As those of you who have been to Syleham will know, it is an excellent venue for talks. Would someone like to suggest a theme for the meeting so that we can run 2 or 3 short 10 to 15 minute talks with questions? Other than that, the normal demos will take place. John, how much is the venue hire this time? Is it more if the bar is opened, or do they need to take a certain amount?

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Re: [Alug] Lurkers (was new subscriber introductions)
by David Freeman 23 Aug '01

23 Aug '01

On 21 Aug 2001 23:46:10 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > > > At the end of the day, the best technical solution is not necessarly the > > best solution [...] > > No, marketing has far too much influence. Why do you think we're > heading up the creek at a rate of knots? Marketing have an awful lot to answer for. I still don't understand how the IBM PC compatable is beating the MAC? > > I don't want people thinking that the community is arguing amoungst > > itself as to which OS/distro is technically superiour. > > But we *are* arguing about what is technically superior and it > encourages innovation. If we try to deny that it happens, people will > be repulsed when they discover these arguments going on. We need to > set the agenda, not just try to answer others' points. Darwinasim in action! The arguing helps the distros to evolve. > > Use what is a good solution for the job, and if that is slackware, > > mandrake, *bsd, suse, debian then so be it.. > > Bah, pragmatist. Does your freedom and the benefits it brings mean > nothing to you? (Notice that you include two freedom-impaired systems > in your list...) HURRAH! IMHO freedom is the most important thing, I now only use free software on my box (except nutscrape as mozilla doesn't work properly quite yet) Also before someone says I am being two faced for saying Novell for file serving, I would like to point out the only time I am going to be doing so would be for money in which case I am kind of prepared to install a non-free package, but only when it is not possible with a free package. One of these days I will do a bench test with linux verses Novell 5. Thanks D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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