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Friday night ruminations
by Jenny Hopkins 11 Aug '01

11 Aug '01

All - just been looking through all the old digests that I've kept since joining the list and I noticed some stuff. 1. Did I ever courteously let those who helped me with samba know that the problem was as simple as not having logged off as default user and on as jenny in windows box, thus network neighbourhood didn't appear? D'oh. It took months to find that. 2. There is nothing as irritating as a newcomer constantly apologising for every post (me). Apart from the posts. 3. There was a lot of discussion earlier in the year about putting member's details such as website, irc, mugshots up on the website that fizzled out. 4. I discovered the mystery large-garden-with-swimming-pool-owner is Chris Allen. (Chris, come out from under that table...)5. I wondered how the RD250 in carrier bags was doing (Simon P) I went into a kind of glaze around April, specially when I realised it was friday night and I was sitting reading old mail on my computer. Jen.

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Linux Expo Birmingham
by Adam Bower 11 Aug '01

11 Aug '01

Hi all, Linux Expo in Birmingham is just over a month away and I figured that maybe we should organise an Alug outing to it, as I believe this was discussed just after the London Expo. I am planning to go on September the 12th but want to arrive early because there is a keynote conference with Bob Young (Redhat) and also Richard Stallman starting at 10am, this means I may make an arrangement to stay overnight or something. Anyway if you want to pre-register or find out more details visit http://www.linux-expo.com/ also pre-registration has to be done before September the 1st. Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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Sunday
by David Freeman 11 Aug '01

11 Aug '01

All, Update on the meet this sunday: We have the hut from 1pm so can start off from then. I have had a request for directions for people who wish to come by boat, instructions are: OS map coordinates 24405 45336 (OS Landranger map 169 I believe) Lat/Long N 52 degrees 03.627 mins, E 1 degree 16.438 mins (OS datum) Also the BBQ is a non starter(not enough interest), I suggest that we go to the PUB which is about 20yrds away. I hope to see you all on sunday. Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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brief intro before sunday
by syd 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

Hi All I'm hoping to come to the meet on sunday so I thought I'd give a brief intro. I've played around with computers and telecoms for about 14 years but still know surprisingly little. I am one of life's dabblers and now I'm dabbling into linux. I've played around with a few distributions recently and at the moment have mandrake 8.0 installed with KDE 2.11. Yesteray evening I tried setting up the internet access and within a few minutes was on line. Very impressed. So here in tribute is my first email message using linux (apart from a test send and receive which doesn't count). I know it's not really 'installing' or 'managing linux' in any technical sense - using an installer that auto configfures everything, using a few menus in KDE to set things up - but all the same, for a newbie like me it is great to have something tthat I can actually use while I start looking around under the bonnet. I bought and read a lot of 'Running Linux' two years ago. It's fascinating but does give the impression that al of that hand-editing of config files and using the command line is the only way to install and use linux. So when I first tried out a Storm Linux CD last year I was absolutely gobsmacked to find a GUI desktop coming up. Who'd have known? I know it sounds daft but there must be many others who think like that after looking at the recommended books. I really don't think that the linux community puts over how easy it is to install and use, at least to do a few simple things like browse the web and send a few emails etc. (I'm assuming that it still works today of course when I come to send this in a few minutes :) Anyway, I know I'm boring all you non-quiche-eating sysadmins out there but if there are any other newbies lurking on the list, wondering whether to dive in, then I just want to say - go for it and have a go. With a beginners distribution at least, it really does seem to be pretty straightforward - if I'm not tempting providence, fingers crossed and pass the garlic. Hope to meet some of you on sunday - hopefully I won't be the only peson who doesn't know their xml from their sql Regards Syd PS - I will be driving so anyone from the Norwich area need a lift - email me.

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Re: [Alug] This meeting thingy
by David Freeman 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:25:35 +0100 Steve Fosdick wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 08:13:33AM +0000, David Freeman wrote: > > > its a 35 min bus ride from Ipswich station, and will cost about £205 > > return (long time since I used it) > > Two pounds and fivepence, or two hundred and five pounds? > > Steve. D'oh oops that should be 2.05 ukp Sorry D > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] This meeting thingy
by David Freeman 10 Aug '01

10 Aug '01

On 08 Aug 2001 20:53:38 +0100 MJ Ray wrote: > Q1. Does anyone from K.Lynn - Thetford - Bury want a lift to the next > meeting? Not sure. I think Jen may be on that sort of area, but I think she is bringing the bike. > Q2. If not, how long does it take to get from Ipswich's train station > to the venue? And how much? its a 35 min bus ride from Ipswich station, and will cost about £205 return (long time since I used it) > Q3. What are we supposed to bringing? Beer, gifts and T-shirts for me and a little money for the pub afterwards :o) Seriously, its just like any normal meet. We wont be doing the BBQ afterwards as I can't get permission to burn the green down, so the plan now stands at going to the pub which is only 20 yrds from the hut. OS map coordinates 24405 45336 (OS Landranger map 169 I believe) Lat/Long N 52 degrees 03.627 mins, E 1 degree 16.438 mins (OS datum) For those who need them Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Wireless LANS and DMCA
by David Freeman 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20010806S0006 Is an interesting article on how the WEP encryption on Wireless LANS has been comprimised, there is a paper being released next week on it. One thing I note here is no case has been bought under the DMCA for circumventing copy protection measures, which is what you could say WEP is if they say CSS is copy protection for DVD! Also for those who care there is a DMCA equivlent currently going through the EU which will be a big problem see www.eurocrimes.org Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Latex help
by Alexis Lee 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

I have a Latex table (begin{tabular}), and I want it to break one of the columns if it needs to. So rather than: <------------ size of page ------------> /---------------------------------------------------\ | field | field | long field | field | | field | field | long long long long field | field | | field | field | long field | field | \---------------------------------------------------/ I get: /--------------------------------------\ | field | field | long field | field | | field | field | long long | field | | | | long long | | | | | field | | | field | field | long field | field | \--------------------------------------/ Anyone? Alexis -- Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. "Democracy is an appalling system of government, but it is seven times better than any other" - Churchill "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" - Derek Bok

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How big should a swap partition be?
by David Freeman 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Ok, not being that great an expert at linux installs, I am wondering what people would recommend for the swap partition size, I have 384MB of ram, so am thinking a 256MB swap file is plenty for what I will be doing. What do others think? Also dare I ask what peoples views are on partitioning? Thanks D -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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How big should a swap partition be?
by tom potts 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Redhat 7.1 seems to thing that ram*2 is necessary which may surprise you - I thought about taking all but 32meg out and then installing! I've 256Meg on my laptop and even running Sql/IIs/Forte and a background search/index engine under W2K its not all used so under Linux if your not running everything under the Sun I would have thought you would only want swap when something goes pear shaped. Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Sun monitors.
by PleXeR 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

Hi, Check out: http://www2.tk.elec.waseda.ac.jp/~tanaka/private/monitor-e.html For details of the adapter you need to make. Cheers, Ben

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This meeting thingy
by MJ Ray 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

Q1. Does anyone from K.Lynn - Thetford - Bury want a lift to the next meeting? Q2. If not, how long does it take to get from Ipswich's train station to the venue? And how much? Q3. What are we supposed to bringing?

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Re: [Alug] How big should a swap partition be?
by David Freeman 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:06:51 +0100 (BST) Adam Bower wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, David Freeman wrote: > > > people would recommend for the swap partition size, I have 384MB of ram, > > so am thinking a 256MB swap file is plenty for what I will be > doing. What > > do others think? > > hmmm, what will you be doing?? and also how big is your disk? I have 768Mb > of Ram and a 1gig swap partition but I also have a 40Gb disk so space is > not an issue, I am playing with big images (upto 300mb each) in the gimp > and blender, I also run VMware with lots of resources given to virtual > machines. Big images in GIMP, plex86, Video capture, MP3 enc, CAD, electonics design, Surfing, LaTeX pretty much sumerises what I will be doing, oh and quake. > > Also dare I ask what peoples views are on partitioning? > > I seperate /var (around 800mb) /boot (around 30mb) /usr (around 4Gb on my > machine here but depends on how much spare disk you have) /tmp (around > 300mb) / (around 180mb) /etc (around 40mb) and /home however big you need > it. Of course you can use less space for these but I have the spare disk > so I am not bothered. Why do you seperate all of the above? Thanks D > Adam > -- > This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed > Adam > -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Re: The ongoing best way to do a website debate
by David Freeman 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

On 08 Aug 2001 10:08:41 +0100 Martyn Drake wrote: > On 07 Aug 2001 16:08:29 +0000, David Freeman wrote: > > > Sorry, my crap english, I mean I can't run anything on the server, it > > runs zues/apache/what ever and will serve html, that is the only > constant > > I have. > > I should just mention that the Alug web server currently runs version > 3.4r1 of the Zeus web server along with the FastCGI version of PHP > 4.0.6. In addition, MySQL is running on it, but it's only being used to > serve a couple of my personal sites. It did run Zope for a bit, but > it's a pain in the arse getting it to work with Zeus properly. Ok. I didn't realise it was all on there and didn't like to ask after you set up, mail and web for us. But whilst on the subbject, do you have a IMAP server on the machine? > Therefore, you can run PHP code David - it's enabled on all sites on the > box :) If you need a MySQL database I can set-up an account for you. How difficult is the mysql stuff to set up? I don't want to be a pain in the arse and hog bandwidth/cycles. > Mind you, I'm not likely to shy away from Zeus to Apache having paid > £1,500 for the thing several years ago, and I'm still very impressed > with the scability and performance aspect of it :) Makes sense. Just out of interest why did you go for Zeus over Apache? Thanks D > Regards, > > Martyn -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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Re: [Alug] Re: The ongoing best way to do a website debate
by David Freeman 08 Aug '01

08 Aug '01

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:54:39 +0100 (BST) Paul Tansom wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, David Freeman wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:19:20 +0100 "Earl Brannigan" wrote: > <snip> > > Great in theory but I can't put anything other than plain old HTML. > > I think you can use scripting with it from what I've read on the site > so far, > lathough I have to say I am looking further into this because I have > to, not > becaues I want to! We are going to be using Zope for our site at > work so I've > been told having started serious perl coding already. From what I've > installed > and seen so far I'm not inspired with confidence of its flexibility, and I > definately didn't like the small text input box that I appear to have to > type/past my html pages into. Of course I haven't look far into it > yet so I > could be wrong/unjustly biased! Sorry, my crap english, I mean I can't run anything on the server, it runs zues/apache/what ever and will serve html, that is the only constant I have. I think for now I am going to concentrate on making it look good, as although it gives the info well, it is a triffle bland. What sort of color combinations do people recommend? Thanks D > --- > Paul Tansom: Talking to penguins can be inTUXicating, whereas > talking to windows is only 1 step away from Talking to the wall! > --- > Smoothwall firewall/router project: http://www.smoothwall.org/ > Smoothwall project community contact: community(a)smoothwall.org -- "Your house sounds like a fire hazard" Peter Clarke

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MSN park bench in Bury
by Adam Bower 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Hi all, Have just seen this on the news a few mins ago, and there appears to be no interest in the internet bench (what a surprise). Now I thought I may go and do Microsoft a favour and help publicise their park bench, of course I think a Mandrake 7.1 giveaway (we do still have about a million cds I think) and showing people how great linux is would be ideal! and it will allow us to show how we can integrate linux with M$ hardware. Anyway if you want to have a laugh I may do it sometime either in the week next week, or if enough people are interested then we can do it on the weekend. Let me know what you think, Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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Re: [Alug] Here's an interesting game to play
by MJ Ray 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > It does this three times, so it's not very efficient. Can anyone suggest > another fair means to do this, reading the whole file at most once? Either read the whole thing into an array, splitting on "\n.\n" instead of line breaks, or keep meta-data to indicate how many sigs are there. It's an ancient tradeoff.

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Cheep Hubs?
by NuTTeR =) 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Dose any one know where i can get a cheep hub(RJ-45 connection's, 4 or more ports) from? the cheeper the better im only a Mc D'z worker(or will be 2morrow) and second hand is gr8 :). Also do u know if newhere in norfolk is selling/chucking out old hardware and will not mind giving it 2 a cheep student? I live in the Kings lynn/Noritch area. Thanx Alot if u can help :) --- "Why is dyslexia so hard to sqell?" --- -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Cheep Hub's?
by NuTTeR =) 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

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Re: [Alug] Abstraction
by MJ Ray 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > So the question is still out, how can I generate my pages for upload onto > the server. Please bear in mind that I can ONLY USE HTML on the server. Makefiles are wonderful things. > As for the comment above about the usual suspects not replying I would > like you to explain this! Your mail client generates neither In-Reply-To or References, so I can't ever see what you were talking about after I read your first message unless I search the spool and that's more effort, so less likely to occur.

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Sun cables
by David Freeman 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Does anyone know what the pinouts are for a sun Monitor plug, I have a Sun IPC I would like to connect to a normal monitor? Also how different are sun keyboards to PS/2? Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Here's an interesting game to play
by Alexis Lee 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

I have a sigs file of the form: <count> . sig . sig . and so on. Right now I use a perl script to generate a random number between 0 and (count-1), skip that many sigs and copy the next one into .signature. It does this three times, so it's not very efficient. Can anyone suggest another fair means to do this, reading the whole file at most once? I can reformat the sigs file if it would make the problem easier, but I don't want to include any more 'metasig' than I have to, since that would make my Vim macros excessively complicated. Each sig can contain anything except /^\.$/. Alexis ps. Here are some interesting things to say... (paraphrase, Dr. Seuss) -- The more you know, the more you know you don't know. Corollary: Those who know nothing think they know everything. "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" - Derek Bok "Don't say don't quote me, because if no one quotes you, you probably haven't said a thing worth saying" - KMFDM, Dogma

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Re: [Alug] re: Abstraction
by MJ Ray 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Alexis Lee <alexis(a)turton.com> writes: > My way, it would be 7. It would also be easier to get extra candy in, > like a datestamp on every file. (You'd have to split tail into tail1 and > tail2, then cat tail1 >> product.html; date >> product.html; cat tail2 > >> product.html) Any scripting language offering regexps would make it fairly easy to build the site from templates and external files. 6 pages would need 9 files (6 content, 1 template, 1 build script, 1 Makefile). This is more or less how I build my website at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ I don't see how you arrived at a total 7 files unless you're doing some nasty things in the content ones?

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Re: [Alug] re: Abstraction
by David Freeman 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

On Mon, 06 Aug 2001 10:02:33 -0400 Alexis Lee wrote: > What I understand you want is a way to generate pages with a customisable > sidebar and main page on your home computer, which can then be uploaded to > a static webspace. Bingo, exactly what I want! No more no less. > You certainly don't need a database for this ($0.02: pg). You don't > need to > learn a 'web language' such as PHP for it; since you're going to be > throwing > text into files, C could do it. But web languages weren't designed by > fools. Yup, RDBMS is over kill for what I want. > You can build PHP as a CGI executable (which can then be used just > like any > UNIX CLI app), pipe your source through that, and upload the result. > Alternatively, you could set up Apache/PHP on your home machine > hosting the > pages. Use wget to grab each page into export/, rename all to end in .html > (for X in `ls export'; do mv $X ${X%.php}.html; done), then upload to your > space. getting more like it, although PHP does not ender itself to me > AFA designing your source goes, I'd suggest something like this: > > > html.php: > <? > function htmlopen() { > // html, head and body tags; set up for the sidebar content > } > function htmlsplit() { > // close sidebar, open main page > } > function htmlclose() { > // footer, close main page, close html > } > ?> > > > mainpage.php: > <? > include_once('html.php'); > htmlopen(); > // sidebar content > htmlsplit(); > // main page content > htmlclose(); > ?> > > > That looks fairly simple to me, and it shouldn't be too hard to add extra > sections to the layout later on. I learnt PHP from the reference > manual, and > I knew enough to write that after day one. cat head body tail > index.html :o) I think this is the most sensible suggestion sofar, I am just skeptical about PHP, my past history with it is not good (3 weeks trying (and failing) to install it last year! The one I am surprised no one has mentioned is Slashcode! Thanks D > Alexis > -- > "Don't say don't quote me, because if no one quotes you, you probably > haven't > said a thing worth saying" - KMFDM, Dogma > "Imagine a world without hypothetical situations" - Bram Moolenaar > `man` first, ask questions later. > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds

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Re: [Alug] Re: The ongoing best way to do a website debate
by MJ Ray 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Paul Tansom <paul(a)whaletales.co.uk> writes: > and seen so far I'm not inspired with confidence of its flexibility, and I > definately didn't like the small text input box that I appear to have to > type/past my html pages into. Of course I haven't look far into it yet so I > could be wrong/unjustly biased! Well, you can enable an FTP service on it too, but you'll want to be restricting that to specific domains for upload, IMO, and files uploaded in that way don't get types set correctly (at least not when I was doing it). The FTP also confuses some (many?) badly-behaved windows clients, as you can't list the starting or root directory if you're a normal user. I'd love to hear that there was a new upload method and/or FTP set object types correctly now.

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