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Off topic, Emoticons
by John Seago 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

I am afraid that as a complete beginner I am do not know what an emoticon is. No offence was intended, I was however struck by the direct comparison of the Linux/free/open community to a religious movement, I have to admit that even though I have a system in which only the word processor, spreadsheet, Web browser and Email client work, and whilst I really can't claim to know what I'm doing, I have a tendency to `evangelism' on behalf of `linux' in general. John Seago

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Connection Traumas revisited
by David Howe 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

OK so it's not such a trauma now, after great help from Neill and "Fozzy" - my routing still doesn't work but at least I'm now in a position to provide more intelligent information than my last post. OK here's a summary, LAN with 3 machines 1 x Win2k 10.10.10.100 1 x win98 10.10.10.99 1 x Mandrake 7.1 10.10.10.200 (called it route66 optimistically) netmask for all of these is 255.255.255.0 10.10.10.200 connects via external modem (ttyS1) to internet (ppp0) route gives me this...... Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface ba3-cvx3.cablei * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 route66 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 10.10.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default ba3-cvx3.cablei 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 now, if I understand this right the first 3 lines of this output should be doing the job so can anybody tell from this why I can't get to the outside world from 10.10.10.100 or 10.10.10.99 - network comms are fine as SMB, Telnet, FTP HTTP all work to the 10.10.10.200 box but not beyond it hopefully :) Dave david(a)davidhowe.co.uk

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alug-announce digest, Vol 1 #4 - 2 msgs
by alug-announce-admin＠stu.uea.ac.uk 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

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[Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED (David Freeman) 2. Best of ALUG... to 16 July (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com To: Alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG-announce] [Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED All, I have booked Martlesham heath scout hut for the 12th august 2001. So the next meet will be sunday 12th August. I will be inviting some members of GLLUG and LONIX. The cost of the hall is £10 and I was going to cover this by raffling off a book and possibly a T-shirt. So Usual system now applies, let me know what you will be bringing in the way of hardware and that you will being coming. ALso Don't forget the LUG BBQ afterwoods. Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! --__--__-- Message: 2 To: alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Organization: Cat-killingly bad Date: 16 Jul 2001 21:12:46 +0100 Subject: [ALUG-announce] Best of ALUG... to 16 July OK, we hit a massive off-topic drift near the end and this is, again, very late in being compiled. The next issue should be on Friday. Apologies to all for any bad editing on my part. There's a slightly different format to this edition. Email the main list, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk to comment if you want. Highlights: IRC Nicknames list published BBQ meeting booked for Martlesham on 12 August Topics: Re: [Alug] linux expo.. Re: [Alug] Retail theropy - AC3, DVD and linux [Alug] Xdefaults [Alug] Curious Re: [Alug] Small question [Alug] latest IRC list [Alug] Suse contact [Alug] Alug Book emporuim Re: [Alug] Sending information between databases [Alug] BEER!!!!!! [Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED [Alug] Tempest True type font [Alug] Going Alpha Re: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? RE: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? Re: [Alug] Connection Trauma Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] linux expo.. -- oms101(a)freeuk.com wrote: > > Silly, whats silly? I learnt yesterday whilst talking to the Gay > > person with a tail, "why do i give a shit what others think?" and > > he's right, why do I care? >=20 > He was a nice girl and part of a tail related internet comunity > apparently his girl friend was a fox and he was some other anaimal, > some one I did not know made a joke about beastiality, but a good > relief from the goat sex related topics that sprang up at manlug Actually HE was called moof and is actually not interested in women, so it was his boy friend who is the fox and it was that latters tail he had borrowed. He says there are more like him at http://www.londonfurs.org/ Also he is from kent and is a student at Kent Uni. =20 > Ah poor bunny, why not track down the tail based internet comunity > they seemed fun to. I cant bitch though as It was remarkably > friendly and no matter how desperate you where to get hold of soft > toys people thought it was perfectly natural. ( Bet you cant guess > who that may have been) http://www.londonfurs.org/ - I don't really relate to the furries but the geeks/nerds/hackers which were in the bar I could relate to. > I met Wylug members, ManLug members and sheflug members as well, as > the locals. Its was like a tribal gethering for this nomad. I met Sheflug and manlug and Lonix and GLUG people also a group looking to form a LUG in kent. Like you say it was a tribal gathering. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 17:42:22 +0100 (BST) From: Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Retail theropy - AC3, DVD and linux On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, David Freeman wrote: > 1) Is it worth getting TV out on a graphics card? for a desktop > machine? IMHO no, unless you want to watch DVDs on a larger screen etc. but I do= n't know if this is supported under Linux. I did have TV out on my last Nvi= dia TNT and never used it. > 2) How well is the geforce 2 MX supported on Linux? I have a GeForce 2 GTS and all Nvidia cards later than the Riva128 are supported with hardware acceleration, BUT the drivers to do this are binary only (they work fine though) Nvidia will not open source them. There is an implementation built into XFree86 that supports them but no hardware acceleration =3D=3D no Quake III. > 3) Are DVD rom drives fixed as a single region? if so how do I unfix > it? Yes, but you can unlock quite a few with a patch (a bit like a Bios update) I don't know where there is a site that tells you more, google might. If you do find more info let me know as I am also looking at some retail therapy! > 4) Do DVD rom drives have a S/PDIF output on the drive? I would of thought that some do and some dont. Sorry I can't be more helpful. > 5) Can any one recommend a cheap sound card which will give me 6 > channel sound output from the DVD drive and allow me to output it to = my > surround amp? Probably one of the cheap Creative Labs would do, again don't know real= ly > 6) What dvd decoding software would people recommend? don't know :-( My god I am soooo tempted to spend money at the moment! I am tempted by= an Athlon 1.2Ghz 512Mb 2100DDR memory, motherboard and DVD drive along wit= h a IBM UDMA100 60Gb hard disk and a Iiyama Vision master Pro 451 19" monit= or, but I have to keep telling myself that I live in the real world and can= 't afford it...... Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:48:35 +0100 (BST) From: oms101(a)freeuk.com Subject: [Alug] Xdefaults A while ago we where discussing X and .Xdefaults and I discovered that = some people might want some of my settings for X If you type use KDE it can be anoying the way you X applications look a= nd feel is modified by apply changes to all X windows deleting some of your cha= nges to the ~/.Xdefaults file. (I now use ice which is well customised now mayb= e I should post my theme some time to themes.org or even here) at the end of the ~/.Xdefaults file on my account you will see the line <Quote> #include "etc/X/Xresorces/Main" </Quote> This prevents programs overwriting my Xdefault which I set So fav I hav= e only set up a couple of programs The links to a file called Main which further links to setups for 4 applications and looks like=20 <Quote> #include "XTerm" #include "Nedit" #include "Netscape" #include "Ddd" </Quote> The files XTerm Nedit Netscape and Ddd have appended I hope this will improve the look of your X enviroment, The support for= wheel mouse in Xterms and Nedit is now an essential for me. Enjoy Owen - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Ddd - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Ddd*XmText.background: black Ddd*XmText.foreground: white - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Nedit - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! NeDiT Settings from OMS !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! NEdit*fontList: -*-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-*-*-17-*-*-*-*-*-*-* NEdit*text.selectForeground: red nedit*text.selectBackground: gray80 nedit*text.highlightBackground: red nedit*text.highlightForeground: white nedit.remapDeleteKey: False # NEdit NEdit*text.Translations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: scroll_up(1)\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: scroll_down(1)\n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: previous_page()\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: next_page(1)\n\ <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>: scroll_up(3)\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>: scroll_down(3)\n nedit.stdOpenDialog: True - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- Netscape - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !## NETSCAPE Netscape*drawingArea.translations: #replace \ <Btn1Down>: ArmLink() \n\ <Btn2Down>: ArmLink() \n\ ~Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink() \n\ ~Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(new-window) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift<Btn1Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ Shift<Btn2Up>: ActivateLink(save-only) \ DisarmLink() \n\ <Btn1Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Btn2Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Btn3Motion>: DisarmLinkIfMoved() \n\ <Motion>: DescribeLink() \n\ <Btn3Down>: xfeDoPopup() \n\ <Btn3Up>: ActivatePopup() \n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>: PageUp()\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>: PageDown()\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\ None<Btn4Down>: LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp= ()\n\ None<Btn5Down>: LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\ Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n Netscape*globalNonTextTranslations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>: LineUp()\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>: LineDown()\n\ None<Btn4Down>:LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\ None<Btn5Down>:LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDo= wn()\n\ Alt<Btn4Down>: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\ Alt<Btn5Down>: xfeDoCommand(back)\n - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- XFMail - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! XFMail Settings from OMS !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! xfmail*text.Translations: #override\n\=20=20 <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:a\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:a\n\ =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- XTerm - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! Basic !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D !Changed as to big a window on display !.xterm.geometry: 80x45 .xterm.geometry: 78x18 .xterm.vt100.background: black .xterm.vt100.foreground: grey .xterm.vt100.color0: #000000 .xterm.vt100.color1: #d36265 .xterm.vt100.color2: #aece91 .xterm.vt100.color3: #e7e18c .xterm.vt100.color4: #7a7ab0 .xterm.vt100.color5: #963c59 .xterm.vt100.color6: #418179 .xterm.vt100.color7: gray .xterm.vt100.color8: gray40 .xterm.vt100.color9: #ef8171 .xterm.vt100.color10: #e5f779 .xterm.vt100.color11: #fff796 .xterm.vt100.color12: #4186be .xterm.vt100.color13: #ef9ebe .xterm.vt100.color14: #71bebe .xterm.vt100.color15: white .xterm*fontMenu*background: green ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! Motif ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D !*XmText.translations: #override\n\ ! <Key>osfDelete: delete-previous-character()\n\ ! <Key>osfBackSpace: delete-next-character()\n ! !*XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ ! <Key>osfDelete: delete-next-character()\n\ ! <Key>osfBackSpace: delete-previous-character()\n ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! XTerm ! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D !*vt100.translations: #override \ ! <Key>Home: string("=1B[1~") \n\ ! <Key>Insert: string("=1B[2~") \n\ ! <Key>BackSpace: string("=1B[3~") \n\ ! <Key>End: string("=1B[4~") !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! xterm defaults from OMS !=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ! ! !# In the scrollbar we map buttons 5 & 4 to 1 and 2 otherwise, core dump !# This will move proportionnaly to cursor position but we dont know ho= w to !# program the same exact behavior as in the text widget. XTerm.vt100.Scrollbar.translations: #override\n\ <Btn5Down>: StartScroll(Forward)\n\ <Btn4Down>: StartScroll(Backward)\n\ XTerm.vt100.translations: #override\n\ Shift<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,line)\n\ Shift<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,line)\n\ Ctrl<Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,page)\n\ Ctrl<Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,page)\n\ <Btn4Down>,<Btn4Up>:scroll-back(1,halfpage)\n\ <Btn5Down>,<Btn5Up>:scroll-forw(1,halfpage)\n\ =20 =20 ! xterm (and friends) XTerm*highlightSelection: true ! Uncomment this to use color for the bold attribute XTerm*VT100*colorBDMode: on XTerm*VT100*colorBD: blue ! Uncomment this to use color for underline attribute XTerm.VT100*colorULMode: on XTerm.VT100*underLine: off XTerm*VT100*colorUL: magenta ! Uncomment this to display the scrollbar XTerm*scrollBar: true ! This resource specifies whether or not to ignore the 'alternate scree= n' ! of applications such as vi. When it is on, these applications will r= estore ! the contents of the screen when they are exited to what they were bef= ore ! they were started. When it is off, the contents of vi will remain on= the ! screen after the program is quit. XTerm.VT100.titeInhibit: true ! Uncomment this to turn off color mode in your xterms !XTerm.VT100*colorMode: off XTerm.VT100*dynamicColors: on ! Number of lines of scrollback to save XTerm*saveLines: 1500 xterm*reverseWrap: true !*visualBell: true *visualBell: False *scrollTtyOutput: False *scrollKey: True !XTerm.vt100.Scrollbar.translations: #override\n\ ! <Btn5Down>: StartScroll(Forward)\n\ ! <Btn4Down>: StartScroll(Backward)\n\ xterm*background: LightYellow2 xterm.eightBitInput: true xterm*multiScroll: on xterm*jumpScroll: on xterm*ScrollBar: on xterm*SaveLines: 2000 ! xterm*VisualBell: true xterm.eightBitOutput: true !xterm*font: -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859= -1 !xterm*font: -bitstream-terminal-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-is= o8859-1 xterm*font: 10x20 !This Stuff was cut from the top XTerm*Scrollbar*width: 16 XTerm*Scrollbar*height: 16 XTerm*Scrollbar*shadowWidth: 2 XTerm*Scrollbar*borderWidth: 3 XTerm*RightScrollBar: True *Scrollbar*width: 15 *Scrollbar*height: 15 *Scrollbar*shadowWidth: 2 *Scrollbar*borderWidth: 2 *Scrollbar*cursorName: top_left_arrow *Scrollbar*pushThumb: false *Label*shadowWidth: 2 *Label*borderWidth: 2 *shapeStyle: Rectangle *shadowWidth: 2 *SmeBSB*shadowWidth: 2 *Toggle*highlightThickness: 2 *MenuButton*highlightThickness: 2 *Command*highlightThickness: 2 *Panner*shadowThickness: 2 *SimpleMenu*shadowThickness: 2 *topShadowContrast: 20 *bottomShadowContrast: 45 *PushThumb: False - -----------------filedelimiter----------------------- please note that I have included the Files in the body of the text to a= void hastle, if the delimiter confuses you you can always mail me for the ra= w files Owen ------------------------------ Date: 07 Jul 2001 15:37:39 +0100 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [Alug] Curious Well, I was getting some nasty errors on my CDROM recently while trying to play a CD that I knew worked before. XMMS just hung there, while xconsole showed errors about "SeekComplete DriveReady Error". So I rebuilt my kernel with only the drivers I actually use (removing the swsusp patch that makes my machine panic if I try to use it) and that didn't work. I installed ALSA (which debian have now got quite a nice build process for now, I think, although I hacked it about a little bit). The sound quality is absolutely loads better, but it still hung on the "bad" files. I searched around the net a bit, confident that my system was fairly neat and tidy now. Someone mentioned that they see that error when the CD is scratched. I took the CD out, polished it with the "Magic Cloth" I use on my glasses (3 pounds or so from Boots Opticians) and now it works. Ooops. --=20 MJR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:06:09 +0100 From: Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] Small question Steve Kuo wrote: > Anyone know how I'd go about taking a screenshot? Not > in KDE or anything, just plain bash If you have Imagemagick (likely) installed, then : import -window root some.jpg Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:13:51 +0100 From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com Subject: [Alug] latest IRC list [this will appear on http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/articles/2001a/ircnames.html at midnight tonight, 16 July] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Suse contact Does anyone know of the LUG contact in SuSE? I remeber phoning someone before NLD but can't find the name or number. An email address would be useful. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Alug Book emporuim All, I have just spoken to pearson Education who are offering a discount on there books to ALUG members, we just have to put a link on the web page to there site which if we use gives us the discount. Pearson are offering Prentice hall books which are the publishers of books by Andrew Tanenbaum. Andrews books are some of the best technical ones out there, his book on OS's helped Linus no end when he was writting linux originally. Also his book "Computer Networks" 3rd edition is very good and recommended reading for all members. Whilst on the subject of books, I was thinking of taking Jens page on Lniux books and building it into a larger page with details of the ALUG discounts and also the recommended reading list. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:15:29 +0100 From: Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Alug] Sending information between databases On Wed, 11 Jul, 2001 at 9:50 +0100, Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. wrote: > It's a general question more than anything. Assume the database does= not > support native replication. Hrm. All I can say is, perhaps it's time to consider a database that DOES support native replication? Doing it yourself is going to be at best tricky, at worst prone to errors and omissions. When you're talking abo= ut customers valuable data, this is a BAD thing. There's plenty of free databases out there that support it, so there's little cost argument against (aside from time to implement). Heck, even MySQL supports replication now, and you should all know my thoughts on *that* particular RDBMS-wannabe by now.... ;-) Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] BEER!!!!!! List, Is anyone on the list planning on going to the linux beer hike in belguim at the end of august? Seriously contemplating it.=20=20 Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Next Meet Is BOOKED All, I have booked Martlesham heath scout hut for the 12th august 2001.=20 So the next meet will be sunday 12th August. I will be inviting some members of GLLUG and LONIX. The cost of the hall is =A310 and I was going to cover this by raffling off a book and possibly a T-shirt. So Usual system now applies, let me know what you will be bringing in the way of hardware and that you will being coming. ALso Don't forget the LUG BBQ afterwoods. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Tempest True type font Does anyone know of a true type font which should screw up tempest equipment? I know pgp shipped with one but I need a free anti-tempest font. Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> Subject: [Alug] Going Alpha All, My web site has now gone alpha. So could I ask for people to take a look and let me know of any bugs, speiling misstakes etc... Also constructive criticism would be nice. http://freemadi.alug.org.uk/ Thanks D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 Ruleng(a)aol.com wrote: > If there is not enough disk space for a recommended distribution= , would > it be possible for me to use only part of it at first, a= nd which > parts should a novice select? I would appreciate any advice that y= ou could > give me. Oh yeah, there is also this HOW-TO document for getting linux on a lapt= op with less than 4Mb of RAM and a hard disk of around 200Mb which you can find here http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/4mb-Laptops.html which may be useful. I just had a look at the Slackware website and it does say the minimum system is 16Mb of RAM and 50Mb of harddisk so that may be more suitable for you http://www.slackware.org Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:39:08 +0100 (BST) From: oms101(a)freeuk.com Subject: RE: [Alug] Which Linux distibution, please? SuSe tends to be a bit bulky maybe debian, which I would not normally a= dvice to A) a begginer B) some one without free internet access. ( I know Suse w= ill install in that size though the default kernal is now pentium optimised= so not 486 compatable) Owen=20 (SuSe user) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:32:33 +0100 From: Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Connection Trauma On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:06:58PM +0100, David Howe wrote: > Win2K machine is looking to 10.10.10.200 for web pages (for example) > but is not getting any further i.e. getting no imformation from > 10.10.10.200's ppp0 connection. ppp0 was set up in linuxconf rather > than kppp and connects fine at boot and the "set default route" > option is checked. I have no default route set as Linuxconf help > suggested not to for ppp connections as they sort it themselves As you have 10.something addresses on your LAN, simple IP forwarding will not be enough to enable the machines on your LAN to access the internet using the Linux box as a gateway. If you are only interested in web access then you could install a web proxy server like squid or wwwoffle on the Linux box and configure you LAN client to use the Linux box as a web proxy. This is an especially useful arrangement if you have more than one LAN client as the proxy can cache things and the cache is shared by all the clients. For other protocols (mail, news, games etc.) you will need to configure IP masquerading on the Linux box. There is a HOWTO on this at the Linux documentation project site (http://www.linuxdoc.org/) Steve. ------------------------------ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ alug-announce mailing list alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug-announce End of alug-announce Digest

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Connection Traumas revisited
by David Howe 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

OK so it's not such a trauma now, after great help from Neill and "Fozzy" - my routing still doesn't work but at least I'm now in a position to provide more intelligent information than my last post. OK here's a summary, LAN with 3 machines 1 x Win2k 10.10.10.100 1 x win98 10.10.10.99 1 x Mandrake 7.1 10.10.10.200 (called it route66 optimistically) netmask for all of these is 255.255.255.0 10.10.10.200 connects via external modem (ttyS1) to internet (ppp0) route gives me this...... Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface ba3-cvx3.cablei * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 route66 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 10.10.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default ba3-cvx3.cablei 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 now, if I understand this right the first 3 lines of this output should be doing the job so can anybody tell from this why I can't get to the outside world from 10.10.10.100 or 10.10.10.99 - network comms are fine as SMB, Telnet, FTP HTTP all work to the 10.10.10.200 box but not beyond it hopefully :) Dave david(a)davidhowe.co.uk

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Off Topic?
by John Seago 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

David Freeman wants us to return to topic and his first act is to use a quote which uses religion as an analogy for the sectarian divides in the linux/free/open community! `dons' & `asbestos' to get back to the subject which started all this. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Where to buy a Slackware 8.0 box in the UK?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Joww Win wrote: >I arrive back in the UK on the weekend and would like to order a boxed >Slackware ASAP. Can anyone tell me where I can buy one from in the UK. Joss - here you go: http://www.cheeplinux.co.uk/cat.pl?session_id=&search=slackware Jenny.

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Where to buy a Slackware 8.0 box in the UK?
by Joss Winn 17 Jul '01

17 Jul '01

Hiya, I've just bought an old P133 Dell laptop for writing essays and using a shell account on and think I want to put Slackware on it. I arrive back in the UK on the weekend and would like to order a boxed Slackware ASAP. Can anyone tell me where I can buy one from in the UK. I've used the Linux Emporium in the past but they still don't have the boxed sets. Thanks Joss

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Linux in the news
by David Freeman 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

All, For a nice return to topic. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/dot_life/newsid_144… is a good story on techy gadgets and mentions linux and the I love linux camps etc... Most interesting. I like the bit "Old Amiga and Acorn computers have legions of fans, as does the ill-fated Apple Newton; there are Palm patriots and Ericsson evangelists. And there are thousands who worship at the church of Linux and its associated technologies. " Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Language, Education, Religion and History
by MJ Ray 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Sorry, folks. I think we're going to have to draw a line under this off-topic discussion of spelling and religion. People are unsubscribing from the list en masse, including some active participants, and there are more than enough other places to have this discussion, particularly in uk.* newsgroups. If someone wants to nominate an alternative place for it to continue, or bring the discussion back on-topic, that's OK, but otherwise expect the email-eater to be in use for the first time ever.

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Parental education was Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by Earl Brannigan 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi guys, Really a point of order... sorry list, this has sod all to do with Linux. OK, Gotta have two penneth here, happen to be well versed in both Theology and Religious History, I have for 5 years also been involved in cult exit counselling so I have seen the extremes of religious practice. David Freeman wrote: > To: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > --- Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > > > > > > >The problem > > >is parenting ansd socail responsiblity aren't impressed upon people, > > >which as much as it hurts me to say it, because the lack of > > infleunce > > >of religion on people. The church had the role of teaching people on > > >moral issues and educating and supporting them through raising there > > >off spring. Because of enforcing bible in latin only and underpinning the snobbish practice of french being the de-facto language of the ruling classes the Church (ie the Catholic Church as-was) enforced ignorance on people. Thus the masses were not empowered by a moral code because they were unable to read it. Anyone translating the Bible into the common tongue was burned at the stake for it. After the reformation the bible ("the common Moral code") became available to all in the common tongue, however one still had to fall in line with the received interpretation of such else face a similar penalty. Thus rather than an morally uplifting mechanism for society religion has merely been a conformance-enforcement mechanism for a pre-determined 'moral, legal' code. > > Jen's soapbox of the day: > > Religion does not have a monopoly on morality. Religion is > > responsible > > for a lot of bad stuff. Religion was made to control, and the people > > in > > charge of it abuse their power. Morality through fear is not a > > solution. People have a monopoly on morality. People have chosen over the years to abdicate the responsibility that comes with morality to Religion. Morality is in effect conscience with laws. We know its wrong to commit murder, but without a common agreed law we would have nothing to train our consciences of that fact. Religion gives direction to our morality, validation and enforcement. Allowing us to trust our consciences by ensuring it complies with the moral code as interpreted by religion. The post-modernist world does away with the 'absolute truth' aspect of religious beleif ("Well, if it's true for you" is the mantra of the post-modernist). I think it is this aspect of society that is being highlighted in the comments leading up to this exchange. > > true, it is not an ideal situation, and I am in know way religious. But > they acted as a guide and the simple existance of a book of rules which > people read helps (bible , Torah etc...) The problem we have here is > one best described by Douglas adams "any person whos wants to be > presedent shouldn't be" and the same is true for the church, > unfortunatly like most big institutions it becam corrupt. > > > Intelligence and understanding should be the teachers of humanity. > > And how > > are people going to be intelligent or understanding without a fair > > chance > > in life? > > And in history who where the few literate people? the church, who would > then be able to guide people? the church. who had medical knowlegde? > the church. As mentioned above, corruption becomes possible through the concentration of such power (assertion : knowledge=power) in the hands of a select few. > > The church has been the corner stone of our society for so long and > although bits of it are corrupt it's overall effect has been a good > one. Good being a relative term, had the Church not survived beyond the 1st Century we cannot say whether the final result would have been good or bad. (ie better or worse than what actually happened) > > > There's nowt as strange as folks. > > So true. Hope this doesn't offend the religious persuasions of anyone on the list.. Regards Earl

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by MJ Ray 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Also can people not reply to the poster and the list, just the list > will do. Now this is an age-old debate. Some people (including myself) actually quite like to get cc's, as it means that those actively involved in the discussion get responses to their messages quicker than if it's bounced via the list server first. However, others dislike the duplicate messages. There is no right answer to this one, I suspect.

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Language, Education, Religion and History
by John Seago 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Interestingly the grammer/spelling discussion has now reached the point where it touches upon religion. It is (probably mistakenly) my understanding that European Christianity owes its current position to the decision taken by the Roman Empire to use it as an extension of its political influence. However if one looks at the other institution used to extend the political influence of the Roman Empire, the Roman Army, the latter is currently older than the Church. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by MJ Ray 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > EUROPEAN STANDARD ENGLISH Forwarded ancient mass-forwarded xenophobic "joke". > which as much as it hurts me to say it, because the lack of infleunce > of religion on people. The church had the role of teaching people on > moral issues and educating and supporting them through raising there > off spring. Irrelevant introduction of religion into the discussion of morals. Yep, this should start a small flame-war. Can people take this off-list, or at least trim quotes very heavily when replying, please? Thanks.

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

David Freeman wrote: >ZE DREM VIL FINALI KUM TRU! I like that. Have you read that Ray Bradbury story where a guy goes back in time and steps on a butterfly and when he returns to the present the language has changed just like this? >The problem >is parenting ansd socail responsiblity aren't impressed upon people, >which as much as it hurts me to say it, because the lack of infleunce >of religion on people. The church had the role of teaching people on >moral issues and educating and supporting them through raising there >off spring. Jen's soapbox of the day: Religion does not have a monopoly on morality. Religion is responsible for a lot of bad stuff. Religion was made to control, and the people in charge of it abuse their power. Morality through fear is not a solution. Intelligence and understanding should be the teachers of humanity. And how are people going to be intelligent or understanding without a fair chance in life? There's nowt as strange as folks. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by David Freeman 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

--- Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> wrote: > David Freeman wrote: > > > > All, > > > > My web site has now gone alpha. So could I ask for people to take a > > look and let me know of any bugs, speiling misstakes etc... Also > > constructive criticism would be nice. > > > > http://freemadi.alug.org.uk/ > > Before I get flamed for daring to speak the unspeakable, to whit: > grammar and > spelling *are* important, and that the results of trendy education > methods and > piss-poor teaching are a serious disservice to our young people, > note: I agree completely and admit that my english is crap. As for the education system, just don't get me started. > IMO, written English is no more difficult to master than any > programming > langauge, except that one doesn't need to compile English... Clear > communication is no less important, however, and going public on a > web site > *requires* that it be at least close to correct. The sole reason so > many > youngsters can't spell or write, is down to the education system and > crappy > teachers, abetted by the acceptance of poor standards by the world at > large. I > wonder, for instance, how so many people get through tertiary > education when > they can't write to save their lives (we all know examples). Again, I agree to the point I would say that a programming lnaguages and human lnaguages are very much the same sort of things but on different levels. Each has the sma e general constructs but under different terms, compare syntax and Grammer. Then add in correct spelling and a wide vocabulary, we have language. The problem comes from so much redundency which we add into the interpretation and thus make poor compilers. Take for example. Chocolate me need. me need chocolate I require a cocoa based product with added milk and sucrose sumplement. as you can see english has a lot of syntatic sugar, which isn't required for understanding to be had, this si where natural language processing comes in. Each sentence has verbs, adjectives etc... and the processor just processes the sentence for such words and treats them as objects. foe example the sentence "chocolcate me need" has the objects of me and chololate with the relation ship of "need" thrown in as "me" needing it. The problem we have is in our compilers or lexical analysis. We will parse the sentence a number of times in attempts to make sense of it, if after an arbitary number of passes we decide it doesn't make sense we barf an error. Where Computer languages come into there own is that the language is very strict in the constructs which are allowed and the lexical analysis is somewhat poor (compared to a human). As such Programmers and hackers tend to command a better than average use of their native language through this need for above average levels of accuracy. So to summerise, language has too much syntatic sugar which allows for interpretation from mal formed sentences where a Parse error whould be through. but through years of use we have go lasy and our interpreters have "improved" to the point that we no longer require such sytatic sugar and can use the language in a much reduced way. To summerise, english is a robust language to sumerise the summery of the summary: people are a problem. > Anyway, David, my initial comments: the site is so full of > grammatical and > spelling errors that it shouldn't be considered anything near ready > for > release. I'd suggest that if you have a problem with spelling, > grammar and > syntax, you get someone who hasn't to proof-read and correct it for > you before > you publish. This is what I thought which is why it is alpha not beta. It may now be apparent why I use Bascule as a nick at times. Also the purpose of sending it to the list was for it to be proof read, and I am greatfull of your input on this. > I picked up the following on a quick read-through, certainly there > are some I > missed. Please don't ask me to do this again! Thank you, I will get it into a high beta stage with as many mistakes as possible removed. > First para could do with a sprinkling of commas and/or > colons/semi-colons as it > has too many fragmented sentences: actually, this applies throughout > the site. > Additionally, there is a lot of random capitalisation of words, and > many words > uncapitalised when they should be. I stopped picking this up after a > while. Does any one know of a good site which explains the correct use of colons, semi colons and comas? Also what exactly is meant by fragmentation, word sometimes brings it up by I never knew what that means. Thanks for the input, it is very helpful Thanks D <snip my appaling spelling> > > Cheers, Laurie. > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laurie Brown > laurie(a)brownowl.com > PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Andrew Savory wrote: >Sorry, but I don't agree. Written English is a heck of a lot harder to >master than programming. Most programming languages have a right and a >wrong way: ie, black and white, works or doesn't. They have a very limited >syntax and often there are many easily accessible books written on how to >program in a given language. >English, on the other hand, has too many shades of grey to make it easy to >master. Syntax, grammatical rules, spelling: all these things change based >not just on what country you're in but often depending on the region of a >country. In English, it's very difficult to pin down 'write' and wrong, >once you get beyond the basics of spelling and grammar. It becomes much >more subjective and more difficult to define. I agree. Teaching a small child to read and write brings it home just how erratic the english language can be. I think a few hundred years ago it may have made more sense, when "when" was spoken aloud with the "h" being audible, and the "k" in "knee" or "knight" also was heard. But look at bough, cough, through. As a small child, language is learnt first by ear then by reading. So any input at that age is more likely to result in proper spelling and grammer if the parents of a small child talk to them properly, and later if they are encouraged to read the written word. >Hmmm... again, I think it's easy to blame the education system and "trendy >methods" for falling standards, but I think a portion of the blame should >also be directed at the parents and society. TV doesn't encourage reading >and writing; the fast food disposable lifestyles we live also prohibit >attention to detail and focus on results over accuracy. Well, that one starts off a whole new debate on responsibility - who is responsible in this society and for what. Can you point a finger at a parent who sits their kid in front of the telly stuffing hamburgers when it is the way they were brought up themselves? At what point does someone have to face the fact that each person is ultimately responsible for themselves? (I don't know what I think the answer to this one is, it all makes me a bit confused). Laurie Brown wrote: >I've learnt that my views on grammar and written >English differ a little from most other people's... Oh yes, how is that? Jenny

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by MJ Ray 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > I disagree :-) I have seen how perl scripts can be (and are) written, I > find english is far easier for me than programming. Of course I am crap at > both though.... Perl was designed to reflect the richness and idiom of natural languages in a programming language, hence the "there's more than one way to do it" banner. Whether or not that is a good thing is a long argument which has been had many times before and I believe certain people here can testify to the fact that perl scripts from speakers of different languages have different styles. What is also sure is that a number of languages now pride themselves on the fact that "there's one best way to do it" in their language. > Anyway I don't want to get drawn further into this debate, as I know that > you will hear me start to rant about education! I always think that I was lucky to get such a traditional education in the time when "trendy teaching" was at its peak. I feel really sorry for the people who, for example, never had their spelling corrected because it would demoralise them and have had to put in lots of work to turn it around. I don't have much sympathy for those who don't put in the work and just blame education for the bad spelling, though ;-)

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Re: [Alug] Going Alpha
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Ha ha! Just realised that I spelt "grammar" wrong in the last thread! What a gaffe!

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RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #302 - 13 msgs
by Earl Brannigan 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi Dave, David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote : > > > > > > Are there any Crypto specialists on the list? > > I should have thought crypting was something you were expert at! > > Is this a fancy way of saying my messages are a we bit cryptic? or that > you thought this was something I did? No, "crypting" was a favourite pasteime of Bascule.... > > > sorry... completely useless post. > > Not really too kind. Cheers Earl

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hi again all, Somebody has forwarded me the old IRC reminder, which I have included here. I'll sort out the cron job now ;) Reegards Neill > > This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that > there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. > > The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the > #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more > info on the openprojects network. > > Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and > Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. > > Unix > > http://www.bitchx.com > http://www.xchat.org > http://freshmeat.net > http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) > > Windows > > http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) > -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

OK, as I'm sure most of you have read, Adam and Zeus have gone their seperate ways, and the weekly IRC reminder cron job has disapeared. I've been asked to set this up temporarly on one of our machines. The biggest problem is that I have always deleted the IRC reminders as soon as I get them, as I never forget to login ;) so, I don't have the words that used to be sent out! If somebody has an archived copy then let me have it. If not, I'll just make up some random words along the lines of "ALUG IRC meeting tonight, server: irc.openprojects.net, join #alug". there you have it, a slightly different weekly reminder for all those lurkers out there ;) Hope to see some new people this evening Regards Neill -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Meeting of the 12th of August
by John Seago 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Unfortunately I shall not be able to attend the meeting planned for the 12th of August, as I have a prior engagement. I was looking forward to meeting some of those whose names appear on the the daily digest, but I will have to wait until the following meeting. John Seago

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Connection Trauma
by David Howe 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Hello having a spot of bother.... I have just built a new box as follows Mandrake 7.1 Cyrix M2 333MHz (I know - cyrix - but it only cost me £20 so I wasn't gonna say no) 128 Ram ppp0 = External Dynamode modem eth0 = Via-rhine this is on 10.10.10.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 this machine connects to the net fine (tada! here I am) I also have (don't hit me please) a Win2K workstation (10.10.10.100), both are on 10Mbs LAN and ftp, http and SMB is fine between the two. Win2K machine is looking to 10.10.10.200 for web pages (for example) but is not getting any further i.e. getting no imformation from 10.10.10.200's ppp0 connection. ppp0 was set up in linuxconf rather than kppp and connects fine at boot and the "set default route" option is checked. I have no default route set as Linuxconf help suggested not to for ppp connections as they sort it themselves What haven't I done?? or what have I done wrong?? which processes should I look for to be running that probably aren't?? any help and sympathy appreciated Dave

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Which Linux distibution, please?
by Ruleng＠aol.com 16 Jul '01

16 Jul '01

Subj: Which Linux distribution, please? Date: 13/07/01 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hello again, Everyone. I e-mailed alug a short while ago asking for help with the mini-distribution, muLinux. I still have not got that sorted out, but I am now in a different situation. By an incredible fluke that I will not bore you all with I have got my 40X CDROM drive running. I would now like to ask the group which distribution of Linux I should, or could, install. I will recap the hardware that I have in case my previous note has been mislaid. chip: i486DX 33MHz, upgraded to 133 MHz with Evergreen chip. hdd0: 210 Mb. with MSDOS 6.2 ( 4DOS addon) and Windows for Workgroups hdd1: 450 Mb. partitioned 240 Mb. for DOS and Windows, 210 Mb. for a Linux OS. ( Do I need another partition for Swap?). fdd0: 1.44 Mb. 40X CDROM drive. 16 Mb. RAM Both muLinux and Hal91 Boot+Root floppies. Oh yes: a 70-year-old brain. If there is not enough disk space for a recommended distribution, would it be possible for me to use only part of it at first, and which parts should a novice select? I would appreciate any advice that you could give me. Regards, Norman

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RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #300 - 25 msgs
by David Freeman 15 Jul '01

15 Jul '01

--- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Dave > > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com>wrote : > > Jen aka Ergates is also from feersum endjinn as well. > Of course, it didn't click.... No it typed and clicked, and I think she normally breathes as well as a whole host of functions :o) > > > > All, > > > > I have booked Martlesham heath scout hut for the 12th august 2001. > > > > So the next meet will be sunday 12th August. > I think I can just make that date...... > > > > I will be inviting some members of GLLUG and LONIX. > LONIX sound alright but the other lot would probably drink all the > beer! ;o) > > > > > > ALso Don't forget the LUG BBQ afterwoods. How could I..... will we be burning Lugites at the steak? No but we may linch the NSD users and as for the MS certified sys admin we have on the list, well I cna't say before 9pm > > > > Are there any Crypto specialists on the list? > I should have thought crypting was something you were expert at! Is this a fancy way of saying my messages are a we bit cryptic? or that you thought this was something I did? > sorry... completely useless post. Not really Thanks D > Cheers > Earl ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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