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Suse contact
by David Freeman 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Does anyone know of the LUG contact in SuSE? I remeber phoning someone before NLD but can't find the name or number. An email address would be useful. Thanks D ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by MJ Ray 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > It probably would be a good idea to have everything in one place, [...] I've always tried to avoid having mailing lists and web site on the same machine. Martyn, how good are your backups? Neill, could you hold backups so we can panic-move if really needed? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

..what Neill doesn't know is the web cam I installed in his lounge, showing him lounging on the sofa with his feet up and drinking crates of Pepsi! And that's when he's working!!! He gets lazy when the Formula One is one!! /me hides behind a flame-proof Cisco router... A> Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> on 09/07/2001 13:57:55 To: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI cc: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo Andrew Chandler wrote: > > Well spotted that man!!! Yeah, it does appear to be a theme throughout > the "IT Industry" methinks. I don't think I've ever met any IT bods that have a > quite time at work... okay except Neill!!! *duck* When you are your own boss, you can work at your own pace, therefore I make time for the important things in life .. work and life are of equal importance to me ;).. so when Andi comes up to visit, it looks like I'm not doing much.. little does he know ;).. Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368 ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by MJ Ray 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > Heh, looks like someone forgot to delete a cron job! We need: 1. new home for the cron IRC reminder 2. new home for the mailing lists (no alug member currently works for stu.uea.ac.uk)... *must* be GNU Mailman 3. people to post announcements of anything interesting to alug-announce... I don't want it as my personal sandbox Any of our friendly hosters want to help? -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] Dates
by Earl Brannigan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi Dave, > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? I shall be doing the holiday thing in Aug at some point, after the 11th is all I can say for now. So soz but can only guarantee pre that date. > [LUGITES] Fantastic term Earl. Yeah... sounds a bit like LUDDITES which to the windows *only* idiots (no other term comes close) out there is probably what we are. Hear this often enough : "But its all command line stuff isn't it?" Sorry... man -k is a bit tooooooo much for some people. I love this article : http://web.meganet.net/yeti/PCarticle.html > I am trying to get martlesham scout hut for a sunday in august. once we > conclude the meet there is a nice big green with a pub so I was going > to suggest we get a couple of disposable BBQ's and have a nice social. > We could even move the meet to say 1-5 so we get some more time. > > Also the scout hut will cost to hire, so as well as a small > contribution from people coming I will raffle off a T-shirt and book > from O'reilly. Whatever... I'm happy to pay a sub anyway. > Also I was thinkning of inviting Lonix as our guests? Be good to have another LUG as guests. Just as long as no-one asks me to follow a stuffed/inflatable Tux singing anything! Then again... Cheers Earl

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Well spotted that man!!! Yeah, it does appear to be a theme throughout the "IT Industry" methinks. I don't think I've ever met any IT bods that have a quite time at work... okay except Neill!!! *duck* Yeah, all the shelving I've bought is full to the brim now. Time for a bigger house. But Tux has a reserved place on top of my monitor - it's nice and warm there! No, no, you've got it wrong, it's like this now: <aoltimewarner>me too</aoltimewarner> *grin* Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 09/07/2001 05:24:36 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo --- Andrew Chandler <Andrew.Chandler(a)ft.com> wrote: > Indeed... his other books are in my queue of books to read... > ..unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to read any books until > next > century at this rate!! Too much todo and not enough hours in the > week!!! > Maybe I need a quieter job!! Does anyone spot a recurring theme on this list, everyone has things they want to do but are busy doing stuff they don't want to do? > ...I'm running out of shelf space too with all these books. <aol> me too</aol> I built a new set of shelves and how they are full, even Tux is finding it difficult getting a decent seat on the shelf. Thanks D > oh well!! > > Bing > ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Knitted tux
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

David Freeman wrote: >that ad getting a tux! I'm going to look out a knitting pattern and knit one! It sounds as though they bring an immense amount of joy and delight. Sian Banana did make me a little fimo-modelling clay one to sit on my box at home, as well. I could do a spare for the raffle. (In all the spare time I have in common with all the other folks on this list!)

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Re: [Alug] Dates
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

David Freeman wrote: > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? Jo: The 12th or 26th are probably best for me, so far. Assuming I can get Alan to drive us over.... Where is Martlesham anyway? Jen: 5th, 12th, 19th Just consulted an atlas - martlesham is just the other side of ipswich from Cambridge.

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Re: [Alug] Dates
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Just near Ipswich. BT Labs are there on Adastral Park amongst other companies: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=624500&Y=245500&A=Y&Z=5 Bing jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk on 09/07/2001 13:38:52 To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] Dates David Freeman wrote: > > Jo, Jen, Mark, BJ, Earl, Neill, adam, fozzy > > what sundays in august can all 8 of you make? The 12th or 26th are probably best for me, so far. Assuming I can get Alan to drive us over.... Where is Martlesham anyway? Jo ps Linux expo - was it just us or were you lot disappointed in it this year also? Seemed to be much smaller.... -- <>-- jo mitchell --------icq#104771112 ----------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://futurshox.net Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>-----------------------------------------------<> _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Indeed... his other books are in my queue of books to read... ..unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to read any books until next century at this rate!! Too much todo and not enough hours in the week!!! Maybe I need a quieter job!! ...I'm running out of shelf space too with all these books. oh well!! Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 09/07/2001 04:56:03 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo --- Andrew Chandler <Andrew.Chandler(a)ft.com> wrote: > /me eventually catches up with my backlog of email :-) > > Do I get a bonus point for being an ex-Amiga user and have read Neal > Stephenson > book??? > > Yes, ITBWTCL is a good book.... lots of strange comparisons between > Disney > World and > the Serengetti!!! Now read cryptonomicon and the big U, then get back to us on crotabotaslavia! Also Zodiac, snow crash and diamond age are worth a read. Thanks D > Bing > > > > > > > > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 08/07/2001 03:24:15 > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) > > Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo > > > In the beginning was the command line per chance? > > Very good book. > > Thanks > > D > --- Jenny Hopkins <jenbass(a)horace88.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Neil Sedger wrote: > > >'CLI' eh? > > >I spot an ex-Amiga user :-) > > Sorry to disappoint you! No, a neal Stephenson reader! > > Jen > > > ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] amigo
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

/me eventually catches up with my backlog of email :-) Do I get a bonus point for being an ex-Amiga user and have read Neal Stephenson book??? Yes, ITBWTCL is a good book.... lots of strange comparisons between Disney World and the Serengetti!!! Bing David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> on 08/07/2001 03:24:15 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: Re: [Alug] amigo In the beginning was the command line per chance? Very good book. Thanks D --- Jenny Hopkins <jenbass(a)horace88.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Neil Sedger wrote: > >'CLI' eh? > >I spot an ex-Amiga user :-) > Sorry to disappoint you! No, a neal Stephenson reader! > Jen > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ===== -------------------- "We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." Linus Torvalds __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Help with Mulinux please
by MJ Ray 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Ruleng(a)aol.com writes: > Hello Steve and others, First I must say that there appears to have > developed some peripheral discussion, under the heading of my > original request for help, that I do not understand, and so I cannot > respond to. Yeah, that often happens. Tangents are the order of the day here sometimes. > > I forgot to mention in my original note that I have 16Mb RAM. Right. There's probably nothing to stop you installing a minimal debian or slackware setup on that machine, as long as you can allocate some hard disk for it. If you're happy to play with mulinux, that's fine too, but be aware that a fuller set-up is possible. You can probably even get X up with a bit of tweaking and optimising, but don't expect Mozilla to run without lots of swapping. "Small distributions" are normally small in the loading setup really. The thing that will cause the most problems is the lack of CD-ROM, but you can net install Debian (I'm sure we'll have a debian mirror on the LAN at a future meet) or Slackware still supports putting the base system on from floppies, I believe. Really, those two are about as alike as chalk and cheese, but either would be an easier system to play with instead of trying to shoe-horn things onto floppies. Perhaps Peanut Linux or something that can live in a UMSDOS partition would be good, instead. I'll let others with more recent experience comment on that. > It worked well on relatively small files, but when I tried to apply > it to the KIng James Bible I ran out of memory. I wondered if an OS > that provided multi-threading would solve the problem. Does it? And > so I began to look at Unix/Linux. Aha... it's more likely to be that the version of the scripting language it was using wasn't compiled to use extended memory on DOS. I often (well, last time I was working on a project where others used *that* OS) sent out perl scripts with a perl4 interpreter, as it all fits on a floppy and is fine for doing certain tasks. You have to make sure that you watch the memory usage, though. Good programming required. -- MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Next Meet :
by Earl Brannigan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi all, well apart from the fact that the next meet date is yet to be arranged I thought I'd get into this with a public apolology. Sorry to everyone who wanted a security thingy for the last meet, I had a little family prob come up which took me to the Midlands on that day. No time (or memory) to notify you all. Anyways : > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote : > Yes Mr newman, I wanted to chat to you about the wearables, I here you > did some demos for Lonix of your wearables stuff, which means you are > pencilled in for the next meet to do a wearables demo. Also While on > the subject, Earl your doing a security demo. Out of interest for input > devices what is there for a wearable? I quite like my split keyboard, > could I some how still use a qwerty keyboard with a wearable? > Looks like Dave is grabbing the bull by the horns here and kicking us LUGGITES into line. So OK. Act of God permitting I will do an overview/demo at the next meet. This will be the format (assuming no-one else wants to get involved and up things a little) 1)TCP/IP as an inherently insecure protocol. 2)DOS : Why RFC compliant TCP/IP implementations leave your machine open to Denial Of Service. This will be the standard DOS, hopefully with a demo. Though I will nedd to run an older implementation of Linux to show this so unless I can get it right (or eeeeeeeek! use a windoze box) then it will have to be theory only. 3)Buffer Overflows : a)If its binary you can send it and get the remote machine to execute it. Demo1-Local : A simple bufer overflow program which yields a shell. Demo2-Remote : wu_ftp : A classic buffer overflow yielding a root shell. 4)Once compromised its easy to get back in : Standard things that are done to make sure you can get back in (Backdoors) Someone or other may wish to have 2 penneth, esp. if you have any info on current backdoors, other B.O.s (I'm currently looking at Adore) I would be glad to share the load. I will not be touching on firewalling/NIDS either, I'm sure there are other ALUGites who could do this better. Feedback, thoughts, comments, suggestions, offers of cash or other involvement..... you have my email address. Cheers Earl

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Help with Mulinux please
by Ruleng＠aol.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hello Steve and others, First I must say that there appears to have developed > some peripheral discussion, under the heading of my original request for > help, that I do not understand, and so I cannot respond to. > I forgot to mention in my original note that I have 16Mb RAM. I became > curious about Unix when I bought a "C/Utilities Toolchest" from MIX software > many years ago. This contains quite a lot of commands that emulate those > found in Unix, such as: cat, chmod, cp, cpio, etc. but run under DOS. A > script was included called "Words" that listed, in four columns, > alphabetically, all the words that occurred in a text file, and the number of > occurrences of each. > It worked well on relatively small files, but when I tried to apply it to the > KIng James Bible I ran out of memory. I wondered if an OS that provided > multi-threading would solve the problem. Does it? And so I began to look at > Unix/Linux. I looked at small distributions because of my hardware > limitations, and muLinux seemed the most attractive. It seems to be kept very > much up-to-date; it uses only from 1-12 1722Kb floppies, ( I do not have a > CDROM drive, but I do have a 5 1/4 in. fdd!), and it can be run from my DOS > hdd. Its originators describe it thus: > 'MuLinux is a full configured minimalistic but mostly complete > application- > centric Linux distribution fitted on a single 1722 Kb floppy with many > pluggable add-ons. Main goals: Linux proselitism, rescue. > Using the only SRV additional disk muLinux transforms in a little NT, > acting also as a Samba file server, print server and WWW gateway, fax server, > cd-rom server, mp3 remote player, combust server , and can be configured and > controlled enterely via browser, using the builtin VGI RCP server the rustic > ("Remote Control Panel").' [All sic] > This seemed quite attractive considering that there were 10 more floppy > add-ons, all close to a downloadable 1.7 Mb, and that a free distribution of > "Storm Linux" with LINUX FORMAT required a pentium processor, 32, preferably > 64, Mb RAM, 300 Mb minimum, 1Gb or more recommended, of hdd space, and a > CD-ROM. > My stumbling block remains as the downloading of the addons to my DOS > hdd, and the conversion of the files onto muLinux-acceptable floppies. I am > up in King's Lynn. Perhaps I should try to get to a meeting! > I have read that when sending notes to groups like alug one should be > brief and concise. I am sorry if I have not done that. > Regards, Norman

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Re: [Alug] Small question
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Well, it IS a screenshot, I dont think pixel perfect matters much :) That reminds me. http://markj.towers.org.uk/comp/ss.png and it's broken in netscape ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Curious
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Heh. I just punt everything through my stereo. I don't think it does my > ears a favour though (or my neighbours, come to think of it). If your soundcard is producing substandard output, surely this just gets you a better rendition of it, not any better quality signal? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Small question
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > import -window root some.jpg png for screenshots, surely? Depends if you have a photo-like backdrop, I guess. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] What have I done wrong now!
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Error Message Unknown Host mail.btinternet.com. > > As it is sending and receiving through btinternet why is it an unknown host? Is that exactly what you've typed and definitely the right host to use? "unknown host" indicates exactly that... it can't find the host you've give it. If it's really right, maybe your ISP is at fault. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Small question
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Steve Kuo <drakioned(a)yahoo.co.uk> writes: > Anyone know how I'd go about taking a screenshot? Not > in KDE or anything, just plain bash Lots of ways. GIMP has a "Screenshot" menu entry, for example. -- MJR

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Curious
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Well, I was getting some nasty errors on my CDROM recently while trying to play a CD that I knew worked before. XMMS just hung there, while xconsole showed errors about "SeekComplete DriveReady Error". So I rebuilt my kernel with only the drivers I actually use (removing the swsusp patch that makes my machine panic if I try to use it) and that didn't work. I installed ALSA (which debian have now got quite a nice build process for now, I think, although I hacked it about a little bit). The sound quality is absolutely loads better, but it still hung on the "bad" files. I searched around the net a bit, confident that my system was fairly neat and tidy now. Someone mentioned that they see that error when the CD is scratched. I took the CD out, polished it with the "Magic Cloth" I use on my glasses (3 pounds or so from Boots Opticians) and now it works. Ooops. -- MJR

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What have I done wrong now!
by John Seago 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Having had problems with setting up Balsa, I used another user name to set up the KDE mail client, and whilst it will send and receive, It shows me the Error Message Unknown Host mail.btinternet.com. As it is sending and receiving through btinternet why is it an unknown host? John Seago

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Small question
by Steve Kuo 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Anyone know how I'd go about taking a screenshot? Not in KDE or anything, just plain bash ===== --------------- Steve Kuo "How can we claim to be an advanced and civilized society when no other creatures on Earth develops technology to blow themselves up three times over?" ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] Some help with Mulinux, please.
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Andrew J Glover <flexifoil(a)btinternet.com> writes: > By its name, I would think its an extension of another WM, aewm: > http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/aewm/ Correct. Frank Hale translated it to C++, via http://sapphire.sourceforge.net/ and we're still working on tidying up that core. That should be a work-alike of aewm, which I don't find particularly easy to use. I'm maintaining my work as a patch so that I can merge in fixes to aewm++ as they become available. My little fork adds in some features that I miss such as: - right-side grab bar which moves the window like the title bar - raise on move - resize box at bottom right - split minimise and maximise buttons - funky 3d shading effect - removes at least two semantic bugs in button presses I use the included root menu applications, but I've also got apps (goodies, in the terminology of the project) which do such things as virtual desktops, hot keys, autoraise, a "busy watch" pointer when CPU is busy and alt-tab window switching. Other people are working on adding automake/autoconf and writing a decent root menu goodie. Some time, we may get around to adding FreeDesktop wm-spec support so that it'll play nice with GNOME-aware apps. The basic idea is to make the window management system as modular as is practical, so you can choose the right mix of features for you, minimise your memory usage and maximise the speed. Don't like alt-tab? Don't have it! Want different root menus? Fine, just replace the goodies concerned! All this without having a bloated window manager that supports all possibilities. That's the bit which will take some packaging together, preferably with a "control panel" or something that lets you switch features off and on. Anyway, until then, I'll send the patch to whoever wants it. I guess I'll say something on-list when it's packaged. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Some help with Mulinux, please.
by MJ Ray 08 Jul '01

08 Jul '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > a small window manager (like fvwm) [...] My feelings are hurt. aewm++-1.0.3mjr3 is the place to be ;-) One day I might even release it. -- MJR

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