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Re: [Alug] Encrypting disks...
by Andrew J Glover 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> Yes... and CFS <ftp://ftp.zedz.net/pub/crypto/disk/cfs/> > > The later basically didn't work. kerneli works very nicely :) > just remember to chmod 600 /dev/loop* so you can't lose a layer of crypto > unless root.. Thanks for the tip! Andrew

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Re: [Alug] Some help with Mulinux, please.
by MJ Ray 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

Ruleng(a)aol.com writes: > Italian small offering called Mulinux. I have been able to start this > system either from my hard drive, or from a Boot+Root+Usr 1.772 Mb > floppy. My problem is that there are several add-ons that one should > be able to introduce with such titles as X11, GCC, VNC, TEX, etc. I I tried to use this some time ago. Like you, I can get the first disk to boot, but not any of the others. I don't think it seems to be updated much any more? So, other than the "bootable business cards" (who can get them?) and the infernal Peanut ( ;-) ), what are people using for small distributions? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Delaying tactics
by MJ Ray 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

linux user stuff <linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk> writes: > [mntent]: line 10 in /etc/fstab is bad with the line being repeated with > different line numbers for each of the drives. Erm, are you sure the lines are formatted correctly? Did you see my "noauto" comment? Of course, then you need to mount them after you have whatever it is you wanted up and running (samba?). -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] 3 Button mouse
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

John Seago writes: >I have installed Red hat 7.1, when I made the install I had, (and still have >a two button mouse), which the install regarded as emulating a three button >mouse. If I buy a three button mouse and plug it in will the system recognise >as a three button mouse or have I got to do something arcane to get it to >work? Hi John: I'm always pretty hesitant about offering advice as i am more or less usually completely wrong, but if you want to try a few things whilst waiting for an expert to comment on this, i would have said to take a look at your /etc/X11/XF86Config file - "pointers" section, or rerun XF86Config from a cli. Jen. (Jen ducks as barrage of contradictions pours her way....)(Ah, no, I'm safe, they are all at the linux expo)

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alug-announce digest, Vol 1 #3 - 1 msg
by alug-announce-admin＠stu.uea.ac.uk 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Jul '01

04 Jul '01

MJ Ray writes: >Isn't the version got by "apt-get install php4 php4-pgsql" good enough for you? reply - package php4-pgsql has no installation candidate >apt-get install task-debian-devel task-devel-common task-c-dev reply - 8 million dependencies that aren't going to be installed. >apt-get source php4 >cd <directory it unpacked to> >grep Depend debian/control >apt-get install <any bits it needs that you haven't got> >debuild binary >dpkg -i <package it just made that you want> reply - debian/control No such file or directory. Not sure where i go wrong, but every time I try installing anything this happens, and I finally give up in a temper. It happened with rpm last week, postgresql7 last week, - oh, i did manage apache, wow. I must be making life much more complicated than it really is here. I can see a bcc package on the debain site, no cc. David freeman writes: >Why PHP? reply - firstly, it was mentioned in a casual kind of a manner on irc that in order to build web pages one had to learn php (i thought it was by you, actually!). secondly, it has now been recommended by my bro' as a neat simple solution to manipualting info in a web page. Thirdly, i don't speak c and can't write shell scripts, and were I to learn i'd probably have an even worse job trying to compile the c compiler! Out of the frying pan into the fire. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

M J Ray wrote: >Right, you've only got the one CD enabled. Here's my working stable >system's sources.list... see what it does for you: This had me in awe of apt-get. Many thanks for that. gcc now installed, all those devel tools that were kind of stuck (it was a bit like a dose of syrup of figs actually). php then successfully unpackaged, as did rpm....it was great! Of course, being me, nthing works still, but I thought Adam was being a bit optimistic on IRC last night telling me it would. I need to read up more on apache now, thanks for the pointers all. Re. the comments on the use of php...I was planning on using it for small intranet type reports that, eg, suck info out of a database into an html file, then learn java for more fully blown web stuff. Each to their own! Thanks! Jenny.

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Re: Appologies
by Joss Winn 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 06:26:43AM +0100, alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:28:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: [Alug] Appologies > > All, > > I would just like to apologize for approving Joss wins post with the > attachment attached, I shouldn't have done so and it will FUBAR the > digest. Sorry. > > I wont do it again. > > Thanks > > D > ack! I'm sorry, too. I should have known better! Thanks again for all your help. Joss -- http://www.josswinn.org

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Compiler Error Messages
by David Freeman 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

I am trying to compile GCC 3.0 and I get the following error, all I can find on a google search are a load of me to's but no solution Heres the tail of the output make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/zlib' Bootstrapping the compiler make[1]: Entering directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc' make CC="gcc" libdir=/usr/bin/lib LANGUAGES="c " \ CFLAGS="-g " MAKEINFO="makeinfo " \ MAKEINFOFLAGS="" make[2]: Entering directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc' (cd intl && make all) make[3]: Entering directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc/intl' make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc/intl' (cd po && make all) make[3]: Entering directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc/po' make[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc/po' ./genattrtab ../../gcc-3.0/gcc/config/i386/i386.md > tmp-attrtab.c make[2]: *** [s-attrtab] Error 137 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc' make[1]: *** [stage1_build] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/freemadi/downloads/gcc/objdir/gcc' make: *** [bootstrap-lean] Error 2 Any suggestions on what an error 137 is? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] New Member
by MJ Ray 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

"John Seago" <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> writes: > My level of expertise extends to being able to work the keyboard and the > various on/off switches, but I am prepared to learn. > > It appears to me that I would make an ideal test-bed for the use of the > various forms of Linux as if you can get me to be able to use it with some > facility then it should be suitable for more general use. I have already > managed to convince my prospective son-in-law of its value and he has it > installed on his computer, we look forward to learning together. First suggestion: don't expect it to work in the same way as Windows. You have many many more options of what software to use, some of which will effect the basic appearance and behaviour of the system. So, what Linux would people suggest? Is Mandrake still the general recommendation for people starting off? Or is Debian now ready for the beginner, either on its own or via Progeny? -- MJR

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Linux Expo, Wednesday, Where and when are we meeting?
by Steve Fosdick 03 Jul '01

03 Jul '01

There was apparently an agreement reached on IRC tonight as to a place and time within the exhibition where alug members would meet to compare freebies etc. M J Ray asked if someone would post the details to the alug-announce mailing list, but I think by then anyone who had been party to the discussion has left IRC. If you were party to the discussion and rememeber what time and place was agreed could you please post a message to the alug-announce mailing list with the place and time concerned. Steve.

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Appologies
by David Freeman 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

All, I would just like to apologize for approving Joss wins post with the attachment attached, I shouldn't have done so and it will FUBAR the digest. Sorry. I wont do it again. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Perl is a write only language. I looked into it and it made no sense > what so ever. I wouldn't quite go that far. It's easier to follow than APL, but it's not exactly a nice thing to try to unravel uncommented year-old code in. > If you want a weird language like this use LISP. OI! FREEMAN! Lay off the Lisp! It was about 30 years ahead of its time... even Common Lisp was about 10 years before the rest of the world started to catch up. Sadly, Common Lisp is rather big now, because it tries to be compatible with original lisp code. > /* might just work with perl */ I see an ASCII art image of Jesus... -- MJR

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firewall messages
by Joss Winn 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Hello, Recently, I have upgraded my SuSE firewall and have been noticing these messages (below) in my xconsole. I am on a 56k dial-up offering no services and all ports are closed (except for one which is open to localhost), so I feel pretty secure and all 'on-line applications' I use seem to be working fine, so I am curious as to what this means. I use a 2.4.2 kernel and iptables firewall. Any ideas? The src IP changes sometimes, but often is the same or similar. Jul 3 00:27:04 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=66.9.192.39 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=60 TO Jul 3 00:27:07 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=66.9.192.39 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=60 TO Jul 3 00:30:41 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=203.239.87.52 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=60 Jul 3 00:38:07 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=211.104.247.142 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=6 Jul 3 00:38:11 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=211.104.247.142 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=6 Jul 3 00:38:17 linux kernel: SuSE-FW-DROP-DEFAULTIN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=211.104.247.142 DST=211.2.96.188 LEN=6 (the messages extended wider than this but my screen space limited the amount I could copy and paste) thanks for any advice, Joss p.s. anyone need a tenant in Norwich starting sometime in September? :-) -- http://www.josswinn.org

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re: ALUG PHP mutterings
by Alexis Lee 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

If you d/l the PHP manual, in 'install.apache.html' there seem to be some quite good instructions. You're trying to make mod_php, then load it using /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. Alternatively, Mandrake 8 comes with PHP precompiled and ready to run (inc. GD and PgSQL support, if/when you want them). Highly recommended, and if someone has been tempting you to Debian with apt-get, I suggest you have a look for rpm-get. It has plenty of rough edges, but I got it working well enough. The 'no acceptable cc path found in $PATH' bit sounds quite dire, to me. CC is short for C compiler, which is usually fulfilled by GCC (GNU CC). Try 'which gcc' and if it comes up blank, use 'find /usr -name gcc' to find it then add appropriate directory to your PATH (IE in /etc/bashrc or .bashrc). If you can't find gcc at all, you're either on a proprietary UNIX (ie AIX) in which case you should 'find' for cc or you need to get it. Of course, it may mean something completely different by 'cc', but I remember being thrown by 'cc' meaning 'gcc' before. If you do get PHP working and need questions answered, do mail me. Alexis -- Alas my .sig, Mozilla ate it.

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Re: [Alug] firewall messages
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > I just took a look at the output of your dmesg, it appears that you are > being portscanned from various hosts. [...] I'll fetch me coat... why aren't src and dest more different? ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > to get perl working with apache, you only need execcgi and > #!/usr/bin/perl afaik. although you can speed up with mod_perl. This is true of many scripting languages. All of them are quite well-suited to web-based development. > additionally, perl syntax is a mix of sh/c/awk/sed/etc. s/mix/nightmare/ I know Tcl has 5 basic syntax rules (but is very simple). I believe that scheme has a similar number, definitely below 10 I think. Anyone know how many perl has? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 > (20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main Right, you've only got the one CD enabled. Here's my working stable system's sources.list... see what it does for you: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/non-US stable/non-US main contrib deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main Add those (or maybe unstable or testing instead of stable, depending how adventurous you feel) and then do apt-get clean apt-get update apt-get upgrade and it should bring your system up to date. You can leave the "cdrom" line in there if you want and it'll only download off the net where newer versions are found. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > This is why I stopped using package managers, they never worked, and > compiling it was easier. Is your nickname on IRC this evening going to be "flamebait"? ;-) Debian's package manager does work and it's actually quite easy to build your own packages using deb-make, debuild and cursory glances at the manual. Since discovering apt-get source and debuild binary, I've not missed anything from the "build it yourself" side of things. > I still think taking a copy of K&R and reading it cover to cover would > be a good move. Sussman and Steele! > Most languages are very similiar, they all have > sequence selection and interation, and C is quite easy to learn. Functions, recursion, closures, continuations. Why do you need iteration anyway? > What would people consider as an alternative to PHP? PHP's actually quite good at what it's good at. It is not a good tool for building large web-based applications, though. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Mark R said: >You need gcc. Installing task-c-dev should get you everything you >need in that line. Did this - more failed dependencies, it all seems to be boiling down to binutils. I'll try downloading and installing this one tomorrow. A bit fried now, I'll do something silly as root soon if i don't go home. Jen's sources.list file (commented out bits and all) #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free #deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work #deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free #deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main #deb-src http://packages.debian.org/stable/ Missing dependencies for apt-get install task-debian-devel task devel-common task-c-dev task-c-dev: Depends: gcc but it is not going to be installed or c-compiler task-debian-devel: Depends: build-essential but it is not going to be installed Depends: cvs-buildpackage but it is not going to be installed Depends: lintian but it is not going to be installed Depends: debhelper but it is not going to be installed Depends: dh-make but it is not going to be installed Depends: debian-policy but it is not going to be installed Depends: debmake but it is not going to be installed Depends: developers-reference but it is not going to be installed Depends: devscripts but it is not going to be installed Depends: dupload but it is not going to be installed Depends: fakeroot but it is not going to be installed Depends: packaging-manual but it is not going to be installed Depends: maint-guide but it is not going to be installed task-devel-common: Depends: binutils but it is not going to be installed or binutils-multiarch but it is not going to be installed Cheers, help much appreciated. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Linux Expo - Which Day/Travelling From Ipswich
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk writes: > Both the Great Eastern services have the option of inclusive tube > travel for an extra pound though I don't know if this includes where > we want to go to. I think Olympia is zone 1, so surely it's included. Zone 2 at worst. I'm thinking that I'll travel down from KL on first train after 0830 as it's the first one I can get a travel card on. If anyone is travelling down from KL, Cambridge or stations in between, drop me a line or catch me on IRC this evening (nickname slef). Which day are we aiming for? I need to decide before tomorrow, too. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > reply - package php4-pgsql has no installation candidate Please post any uncommented bits of your sources.list file. It sounds like something's not quite set up to let you get this installed. > >apt-get install task-debian-devel task-devel-common task-c-dev > reply - 8 million dependencies that aren't going to be installed. Care to post the exact list? It sounds like you might not have any development tools installed, so you've no choice but to get them if you want to build your own software. > Not sure where i go wrong, but every time I try installing anything this > happens, and I finally give up in a temper. The truth is out there... http://www.uk.debian.org/ -> documentation > I can see a bcc package on the debain site, no cc. You need gcc. Installing task-c-dev should get you everything you need in that line. > reply - firstly, it was mentioned in a casual kind of a manner on irc that > in order to build web pages one had to learn php (i thought it was by you, > actually!). No, to build web pages, you need (x)html. Nothing more. > secondly, it has now been recommended by my bro' as a neat > simple solution to manipualting info in a web page. It's actually a fairly poor solution for anything other than toy manipulations. > Thirdly, i don't speak > c and can't write shell scripts, PHP is rather too c-like for me. Then again, I like my scripts to look like single function calls at the top level ;-) > and were I to learn i'd probably have an > even worse job trying to compile the c compiler! Why would you want to compile it? Just install it. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by David Howe 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Well there's a lot of easier ways for those a little nervous of installing things to get PHP up and running..... Although I appreciate that you're talking Debian here I thought I might just throw in my two penneth and let you know that RPM based stuff is most easily customised by visiting http://rpms.arvin.dk/php/ Mr Troels Arvin has built his own set of rpms which (rather than Zend's idea of one big beasty of an rpm) allow you to only include the functionality that you want..... Cheers, Dave

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Linux Expo - Which Day/Travelling From Ipswich
by fozzy＠pelvoux.demon.co.uk 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

I have finally got around to clearing some leave to go to Linux Expo this year. I don't mind which day at the moment, but I will need to decide tomorrow. I think there was a plan to discuss this on IRC tonight but unfortunately I can't make the IRC chat until quite late so I may miss many of you. Even so I would be glad to hear which day most people are planning on going (or if there is an even split). For people travelling from or near Ipswich there's the train... Dep Ipswich Arrive Liverpool St Cost Operator 09:02 10:14 #19.90 Great Eastern 09:12 10:20 #24.00 Anglian 09:30 10:40 #19.90 Great Eastern Both the Great Eastern services have the option of inclusive tube travel for an extra pound though I don't know if this includes where we want to go to. Or there's the car... Probably about #20 petrol, plus parking to be split between the occupants. If it's just me then the train looks like the better option, but if a party of us go in a car together then that may be cheaper. If you are interested in sharing a car from Ipswich or there abouts then drop me a note and let me know if you are intending to drive and are looking for passengers, want to be a passenger and for someone else to drive, or don't care. Steve.

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to 3 or not to 3
by David Freeman 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Can anyone recommend any reasons for or against upgrading GCC from 2.95.2 to GCC 3? Also How easy is it to compile a compiler? I know its convoluted in that you compile it with the old one, then compile the new one with its self then, recompile with that output or something like that. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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