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Re: [Alug] Secure FTP
by MJ Ray 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

"Ashley T. Howes Ph.D." <ashley(a)turton.com> writes: > I was wondering if anyone knows of a secure FTP server. By secure I mean > the difference between telnet and SSH (so all traffic is encrypted in > transmit). I briefly saw references to scp (part of SSH) on a google > search. As anyone used this or could comment on alternatives? scp is version 1 ssh's copy program, I think. sftp is version 2's. ftp over ssl is another thing entirely. -- MJR

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=20
by John Seago 30 Jun '01

30 Jun '01

Can anyone tell me why my messages to ALUG have =20 at what I presume is the end of each line please? I would also like to know if they appear on all my messages and how to stop it happening. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by MJ Ray 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > The window titles bit would be the work of your window manager [...] Indeed. nawm (Not A Window Manager) could be quite good for this if you can find it. Written by MIT hackers for some mad project a few years back, probably not dissimilar to this. > You can make the keyboard LEDs do lots of fun things! as Neill suggests a > quick look on Freshmeat would probably bring up the correct results. and a Anyone know a modem traffic one which works in X? That would be quite handy (stop me running gkrellm so much, at least). Especially if it flashed all three together for new email. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

The Amiga was a great machine... way better than any PC style hardware for years afterwards. In fact I still have my Amiga in the loft. Still trying to work out how I could get it on the Net. I need a harddisk, a network card and probably a bit more memory than the 1MB it currently has in it. Andi Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> on 29/06/2001 13:16:01 To: neill(a)entora.co.uk cc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Neill Newman wrote: > Adam Bower wrote: > > > > > > We have one at work :) well a guy at work brought his in from home, I > > think that the 3/60 existed in the days before the 486 even? > > eerrr... I thought the 3/60 was a 486 ?? or was it a 386 ?? > Sz Nah, just checked with the guys at work it was an 68020 with optional 68881, they also had the tape drive and SCSI box as an external unit! Anyway while we drift more and more off-topic you can look here for more Sun specs http://www.sunhelp.org/faq/sunref1.html according to that FAQ they did make a 386 and 486 workstation. but back in those days I was using Amigas.... mmmm Amiga Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Yes, you're right there Adam.... ...arrh the old Sun 3/60's... I remember using them way way back in the mists of time!! The days when 486's were fast! Andi Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> on 28/06/2001 18:37:27 To: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI cc: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Andrew Chandler wrote: > There used to be a classic little utility called 'Cylon' that would flash > the 4 keyboard lights back and forth on ye olde SparcStations... The old Suns (3/60s I think) also had a strip of leds on the back of the case that did this Cylon thing to let you know it was running ok. Although this may of just been remembered wrong but it was something like that. Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Nope.. a Motorola 68k chip... #include<http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/~kim/faq/part1> <snip> 3/60 Processor(s): 68020 @ 20MHz, 68881 (stock), Sun-3 MMU, 8 hardware contexts, 3 MIPS CPU: 501-1205/1322/1334/1345 Chassis type: wide pizza box Bus: P4 connector (not same as P4 on 3/80) Memory: 24M physical, 256M virtual, 200ns cycle Notes: VRAM monochome frame buffer for 501-1205/1334. Optional color frame buffer (can run mono and color simultaneously) on P4 connector. Onboard SCSI. SIMM memory (100ns 1M x 9 SIMMs). High (1600 * 1100) or low (1152 * 900) resolution mono selectable by jumper. Thin coax or AUI Ethernet. Code-named "Ferrari". 4M stock on 501-1205/1322, 0M stock on 501-1322/1345. </snip> Andi... wondering if they do a Deep Pan Stuffed Crust version with extra cheese! Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> on 29/06/2001 12:49:57 To: abower(a)thebowery.co.uk cc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config Adam Bower wrote: > > > We have one at work :) well a guy at work brought his in from home, I > think that the 3/60 existed in the days before the 486 even? eerrr... I thought the 3/60 was a 486 ?? or was it a 386 ?? Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368 ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

When I started at Uni they were just changed from user workstations into X terms hanging off Sparc ELC's. I remember using some a few years before I went to Uni though and they seemed fast at the time!! Oh how times change!!! The 3/60's have 68000 chips in AFAIK. So yeah, they do pre-date ye olde 80486 chips. Sun used to do a 386 file server at one point. Andi Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> on 29/06/2001 11:11:02 To: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI@FTI cc: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Andrew Chandler wrote: > Yes, you're right there Adam.... > > ...arrh the old Sun 3/60's... I remember using them way way back in the mists > of time!! > The days when 486's were fast! We have one at work :) well a guy at work brought his in from home, I think that the 3/60 existed in the days before the 486 even? Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Secure FTP
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Ashley, This is one thing I've started to look into recently for my employer. Here's a couple of links.... http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sftp&sektion=1 This has the man page for sftp client http://www.xbill.org/sftp/ This package contains sftpserv. I haven't tried it yet - when I do I'll email the list. Andi "Ashley T. Howes Ph.D." <ashley(a)turton.com> on 29/06/2001 11:58:50 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: [Alug] Secure FTP I was wondering if anyone knows of a secure FTP server. By secure I mean the difference between telnet and SSH (so all traffic is encrypted in transmit). I briefly saw references to scp (part of SSH) on a google search. As anyone used this or could comment on alternatives? Ashley Dr Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. ashley(a)turton.com Lead Internet Developer http://www.turton.com Turton Creative Marketing Solutions 23-27 St. Andrews Street, Norwich, Norfolk, NR2 4TP, UK Tel:+44 (0)1603 766888 Fax:+44 (0)1603 767070 _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Anyone bored?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Let's see if any open source followers are in the same quadrant as Ann Widder-shins.

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Trains
by David Freeman 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

#include <stdio.h> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *c[] = { "two", "enter", "hell","harold" }; char **cp[] = { c + 3, c, c + 2, c + 1 }; char ***cpp = cp; printf("%s", *cpp[2]); printf("%s ", **++cpp + 2); printf("%s", **cpp + 1); printf("%s", *cpp[2] + 4); printf("%s\n", cpp[1][1] + 4); printf("I will be going down by train on the wednesday" "for Linux Expo. Anybody else who wants to " "coordinate trains as go down as a group?"); return 0; } __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

> > just a quick note, which day is everybody planning on going ?? knowing > my luck I'll turn up on the wrong day !!! > > Sz > Hi All, I'm going down on Wednesday. I thought a mass meetup would be good, Could we all 'do lunch' or something (that isn't how it probably sounds - <cringes>). A good chance to compare freebies and get some suggestions of stands to visit and that sort of thing. Have set out below a functional C++ code framework. Feel Free to edit to include yourself ... I have commented where to do this, a simple copy and paste replacing details with your own should suffice /* File : ExpoMeet.h Author : earl brannigan Purpose: Linux Expo ALUG Meetup Version : 0.1 date : 28th June 2001 */ typedef struct _food { ong Baguette; short Coffee; void eat() { Baguette --; //poss result in -ve value of one item, relies on sense of alugite to avoid consuming self or food container Coffee --; } //a boolean to tell if there is still Food bool operator == (bool){ return (Baguette || Coffee);} }FoodType; //some externals for buying lunch extern long buycoffee(); extern long buysarnie(); class MeetUp { private : FoodType* food; protected : public : MeetUp():food(new FoodType()) {} long lunch() { food.coffee = buycoffee(); food.Baguette = buysarmie(); long Time(0); while(food == true) { food->eat(); Time++; } return Time; } }; //singleton alug member (only one instance of each - thankfully) template <const string N, const int max_goodies> class Alugite{ private : static Alugite* INSTANCE; string name; bool satisfied; std::list<string> goodies; MeetUp* Meet; //private constr ... well you wouldn't want it to be public now Alugite():name(N),Meet(new MeetUp()), satisfied(false), goodies(){} void GetGoodies () { cin >> goodies;} void ShowGoodies() { cout << goodies << endl; } public : static Alugite* GetInstance(){return INSTANCE = (NULL ? new Alugite() : INSTANCE);} void mingle() { while (!satisfied) { GetGoodies(); satisfied = (goodies.size() >= max_goodies); //finish when we can't carry any more } } void DoMeet() { Meet->lunch(); ShowGoodies(); //generate envy satisfied = false; //reset satisfied for afternoon session } }; //add yourself to this list of typedefs, specify your name and the max_goodies you can get in a session to complete the template typedef Alugite <"Earl", 100> Earl; typedef Alugite <"Jo", 100> Jo; typedef Alugite <"Neill", 100> Neill; typedef Alugite <"Martyn", 100> Martyn; typedef Alugite <"Adam", 100> Adam; typedef Alugite <"David", 100> David; //declare yourself a member of _alug typedef struct _alug{ { Earl* earl; Jo* jo; Neill* neill; Martyn* martyn; Adam* adam; //constructor ... add yourself here or you don't exist _alug(){ //retrieve the static INSTANCE of each member earl = Earl::GetInstance(); jo = Jo::GetInstance(); neill = Neill::GetInstance(); martyn = Martyn::GetInstance(); adam = Adam::GetInstance(); } }alug; /*main .cc */ //Make sure you mingle and meet by adding yourself to main void main(void) { //TODO : thread Alugite mingles and meet for true concurrency alug* ALUG = new alug(); //Morning Mingles ALUG->earl->Mingle(); ALUG->jo->Mingle(); ALUG->neill->Mingle(); ALUG->martyn->Mingle(); ALUG->adam->Mingle(); //Dinner ALUG->earl->DoMeet(); ALUG->jo->DoMeet(); ALUG->neill->DoMeet(); ALUG->martyn->DoMeet(); ALUG->adam->DoMeet(); //Afternoon Mingles ALUG->earl->Mingle(); ALUG->jo->Mingle(); ALUG->neill->Mingle(); ALUG->martyn->Mingle(); ALUG->adam->Mingle(); //eveyone done and going home delete ALUG; } Cheers Earl > > -- > Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ > Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368 > >

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Congrates Ashley
by David Freeman 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Ashley, you replied first, therefore the T-shirt is yours. You can either collect from me, collect at the next meet, or collect at the linux expo on the wednesday. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by MJ Ray 29 Jun '01

29 Jun '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > > What's more, Alugites, being lovers of freedom could well suffer terrible > > repercussions should they one day discover "(c) Sun Microsystems" stamped > > all over their little worlds.... > true, but Sun hath give Java to the ISO commitee (afaik) so it may well > become a standard in a few years ;).. [...] I thought that was all called off, then Sun tried to pass it to ECMA, then they took it back to themselves and are going to do Whatever They Damn Well Please. > > And finally, C++ makes it much easier to code overflowable buffers into [...] > all the more reason to go for a well thought out, sandboxed, bufferover > run proof, stacksmashing proof, secure alternative ;).. Why are you bringing the Lisp family of languages into this? ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Free T-shirt
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

David F wrote: >I have an XL O'rielly T-shirt which is going free to a good home. I'll have if no-one else wants....? Why not put the Alug members names' in a hat and pick one out, though ? Everyone could always do with a tee shirt. (specially with the running horse on.... Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Van Eck X config
by Andrew.Chandler＠ft.com 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

There used to be a classic little utility called 'Cylon' that would flash the 4 keyboard lights back and forth on ye olde SparcStations... ...in fact a bit like the Cylon's in Battlestar Galactica!!! :-) Bing > Also I wondered if it was possible to output morse code on the scroll > lock LED. You can make the keyboard LEDs do lots of fun things! as Neill suggests a quick look on Freshmeat would probably bring up the correct results. and a quick google search says look here http://www.sudac.org/~napolium/linux/ and here http://sourceforge.net/projects/ditdah/ Adam ********************************************************************* * Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at: * * http://www.ft.com * * * * For UK personal finance, please visit http://www.ftyourmoney.com * * * * This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may * * contain confidential information. If you are not the intended * * recipient, you are hereby notified that any use or dissemination * * of this communication is strictly prohibited. * * If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us * * immediately then delete this E-Mail. * * * * * postmaster(a)ft.com * *********************************************************************

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Van Eck X config
by David Freeman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

I was reading cryptonomicon for the second time and I was wondering how I would go about do what Randy does with X windows. For those who don't know, Randy configures X so that there are no window titles, and the background is a script generating windows which open and close at random. Also I wondered if it was possible to output morse code on the scroll lock LED. Any suggestions? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi again > because Java is lovely, well thought out language, I do admit that the > implementation is a little dodgy ;).... > > > in that case I might as well use VB or even C# (yyyyyak!). > > now you are being silly ;).. > OK I am being silly, I mean VB .NET ;o) > yep, I'll give you some of those, although I might argue that "Faster, > More robust, reducing programmer effort" depends greatly on the > programmer... And since I am the programmer in question the point still stands!! No seriously, actually writing effective generic templates often takes longer than writing 400 very similar classes. >c++ is actually very nasty in a OO sense.. it is C with > object orientation and loads of other 'usefull' things bolted on.. pure > C is nice, C++ is not imho ;).. > Modern C++ (as opposed to Classic/Common C++) is not C extended, it is not a superset of C, it is a separate, albeit related language. Give me well written modern C++ anytime. (though I do love C, I take this view because I actually learned C++ b4 C and found that way around that C seems very 'limited'). > > No runtime stuff required... compile and run...done. (ok so you have to > > compile for each platform but at least you don't need a massive > > installation of an SDK/JRE just to write your code and test it). > > yep, I agree with that....although there are some issues involved with > porting code (32->64 bits, different memory architectures for example).. > Java just works in these instances.. True. > but how do you know you are in the real world right now ? you might be > inhabiting a virtual mnachine in somebody's mind as we speak ;).. I am actually inhabiting a solar system that is in fact a carbon compound molecule in someone's kitchen table in a parallel and infinitely larger (though relatively equal sized) universe. > aahh step over to the greener side of the grass, I've been using > Java/C++ for 7 years now, and for what I do (network programming/console > based apps) Java is very cute. Once thing I will say here.. Java and GUI > do not mix well.. I can't stand Java GUI's, they are a pig to get right, > and each architecture handles them differently.. definatly C/C++ for > gui's ;).. Yep, geve up trying to get swing components to look good after a couple of weeks and used C++ builder instead. cheers Earl

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Free T-shirt
by David Freeman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

I have an XL O'rielly T-shirt which is going free to a good home. It has "Linux Resource" on the front with the linux horse on it as well. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Adam Bower 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Earl Brannigan wrote: > > just a quick note, which day is everybody planning on going ?? knowing > > my luck I'll turn up on the wrong day !!! Ok I have now officialy changed the day I am going to the Thursday (damn less freebies!) though will probably change again so it is probably best to ignore me until next week :) could perhaps we have a big organising session on who is going on which day on Mondays IRC? Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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RE: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Earl Brannigan 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi Scoobz Why Java?..... in that case I might as well use VB or even C# (yyyyyak!). No, C++ for the following reasons : Faster, More robust, templates enable compiler code generation, reducing programmer effort. NOT Proprietary (ie FREE). No runtime stuff required... compile and run...done. (ok so you have to compile for each platform but at least you don't need a massive installation of an SDK/JRE just to write your code and test it). What's more....ALUG members already inhabit a world of their own, why stick em in a virtual machine as well? No...much safer as true compiled binary entities, sanity could be affected otherwise : Imagine waking up one day, realising you inhabit another world, deciding to return to reality only to find that reality is only virtual afterall. Better to find the real world when the light comes on... The Russian Doll complexes generated within each alugite would require very capable virtual psychologists to mend their tiny minds (Or so much virtual beer and pizza that the JRE would crash!) What's more, Alugites, being lovers of freedom could well suffer terrible repercussions should they one day discover "(c) Sun Microsystems" stamped all over their little worlds.... waking up in a virtual machine and then having to agree to a license in order to function......now that is scary! And finally, C++ makes it much easier to code overflowable buffers into each member, to be used in conjunction with my new proprietary 'Take over the world by rooting Linux Users' program, which does exactly what it says on the tin (written in C however for even greater performance... will have to be run on an i386 with 2mb of RAM - but thats another story). Sorry 'bout that bit of existential nonesense, the truth is I can't write java. Sussed! Regs Earl PS Aaaaaargghh to you too! On 28 June 2001 13:03, Neill Newman [SMTP:neill@entora.co.uk] wrote: > Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > > > > Have set out below a functional C++ code framework. Feel Free to edit to > > include yourself ... I have commented where to do this, a simple copy and > > paste replacing details with your own should suffice > > > aarrgghh, write it in Java and I might read it ;).. > > /me puts on flame proof suit, rubbber boots and non-explodable > underpants > Sz > > -- > Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ > Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Re: [Alug] A complete beginners view
by Neill Newman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

John Seago wrote: > > Yes it is Red hat 7.1 (Seawolf), I would be grateful for any suggestions you > may have. > John Seago John, I've posted this to the alug list as well, I hope you don't mind as I'm sure others may get caught by this... anyway.. I had this problem a few weeks ago, and it racked my brains for hours.. under one user, all the gnome apps worked, under a different user the gnome apps all crashed out.. The reason was that the applications were trying to retrieve their locale info, which is set by gdm at login. All new users have no locale set, and the gnome apps don't like this one bit. The solution is simple. goto a freshly booted RH7.x box, and select the "english/british" locale from the language menu, then login, all apps should now work flawlessly, well as flawlessly as can be expected ;) I'm not sure who's mistake this is, Redhat/Gnome/User....but I suppose that is what happens when you try to cram locale's into a gui ;)... anyway, I hope this cures all your problems, let me know how you get on... Regards Sz > > On Thursday 28 June 2001 8:31 am, you wrote: > > just a quickie.. Is this redhat 7.0/7.1? if so I might know what is > > happening... > > > > John Seago wrote: > > > Having now got over the initial euphoria of actually having a working > > > (?), (see later), set of "Linux", Chris, my daughters fiancee, and I have > > > now come up against several problems, In my case numbers of applications > > > just don't work,and trying them delivers a bug report window> -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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Re: [Alug] RE: Linux Expo...
by Neill Newman 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > Have set out below a functional C++ code framework. Feel Free to edit to > include yourself ... I have commented where to do this, a simple copy and > paste replacing details with your own should suffice aarrgghh, write it in Java and I might read it ;).. /me puts on flame proof suit, rubbber boots and non-explodable underpants Sz -- Open Source Specialists http://www.entora.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)701 0723686 Fax: +44 (0)870 3214368

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A complete beginners view
by John Seago 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Having now got over the initial euphoria of actually having a working (?), (see later), set of "Linux", Chris, my daughters fiancee, and I have now come up against several problems, In my case numbers of applications just don't work,and trying them delivers a bug report window> I can't believe that a complete system was sent out with a non working spreadsheet, time manager, and other bits that just don't work. I am of the opinion that I haven't installed or set up the system properly or may have installed something that needs other, installed items to work. I am not pleading for help here, unless I can manage to work this out for myself, or in concert with Chris I am not going to get anywhere. the main problem Have is that whatever source of written information I find, I have yet to find one that does not presuppose a certain amount of prior knowledge/experience, which I just don't have. I fact I have to admit that deep down I have a sneaking suspicion that mention of daemons/demons in the long list of scroll down print at the start of the log-in process actually refers to real demons/imps/goblins/elves/fairies that live inside the box to the left of my screen whose main purpose in life is to frustrate me. However both Chris and I are determined to persevere and to learn, so expect to see us at a meeting some time. I now have to start some intense reading. John Seago

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Parking for Linux Expo....
by Simon Parkes 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

Hi All... Just a quick note about parking, there's very little in the Earls Court Area, I work near there and what I have found easiest is parking in (well near it!!) the Dome (£3 per day), and getting the tube accross town. It's also easier to get to the dome from the M11 or A12 as from the M11 you can just go straight on from the A406 and instead of going along the A13 through the Blackwall tunnel go accross the Woowich Ferry turn right and follow the road, you see a demented albino turtle with yellow legs after about 5 miles on the right .... I'm hoping to go down on the 5th, so hope to see some of you guys down there.. Simon

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Re: [Alug] I'm receiving no messages
by MJ Ray 28 Jun '01

28 Jun '01

"Ashley T. Howes Ph.D." <ashley(a)turton.com> writes: > I have stopped receiving messages on both my work and home account from ALUG There was an electrical shutdown at UEA on Saturday morning. Various other people don't trust sysadmins to power down machines safely in good time and cause system failures instead. Grrr... -- MJR

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