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Re: FW: [Alug] BBC computer looking for home...
by Shevek 20 Jun '01

20 Jun '01

I'd love it, but I can't pick it up. :-( Norwich as in the city? *gets a map* S. On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Raphael Mankin wrote: > > -----FW: <3B2FE7F0.4050003(a)bigfoot.com>----- > > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:01:52 +0100 > Sender: alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > From: Neil Sedger <n.sedger(a)bigfoot.com> > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: [Alug] BBC computer looking for home... > > I was going to trash it, but with this talk about a BBC web browser... > > free to whoever can be bothered to pick it up (Norwich Golden Triangle). > > BBC Master, one of them cubular 14" monitors, disk drive... > > > Neil > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! > > --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- > > -- Shevek I am the Borg. sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};} foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); }

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Linux and Pentium 4's
by Martyn Drake 19 Jun '01

19 Jun '01

Hi, Has (or does) anybody here run Linux on a Pentium 4 machine? The reason for asking is that I've heard there were some potential problems with some kernels with this processor and before I attempt to install Linux on such a beast, I just wanted to hear anybody's advice on doing so. Regards, Martyn

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Usage Stats for anglian.lug.org.uk
by Martyn Drake 19 Jun '01

19 Jun '01

Hi, If anybody's curious to see what sort of figures we're pulling in for the web site, you can simply visit http://usage.alug.org.uk for all the info. Regards, Martyn

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PostgreSQL
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 18 Jun '01

18 Jun '01

Fozzy - what was the name of the command that brings up the pg_database tables again? (I can't read my own writing.) Thanks, Jenny.

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Integrate Linux Solutions Into Your Windows Network
by brodders＠cwcom.net 18 Jun '01

18 Jun '01

Hi.. Said at the sunday ALUG mneet I'd post a link to this book, which was reviewed on LinuxISO: http://www.linuxiso.org/bookreviews/integrate-linux.html Can recommend this book - and the site for those who want to download a distro to burn (most distros there). Good meet - the wireless network very interesting. Steve

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Browser For the BBC micro
by tom potts 18 Jun '01

18 Jun '01

I dont know what tools ara avalable for the BBC micro, but if you can find an HTTP stack then LYNX could be made to work - its probabaly been done somewhere already. Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 18 Jun '01

18 Jun '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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BBC web browser
by Mills 17 Jun '01

17 Jun '01

Steve Fosdick wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 12:51:58PM -0400, Ashley T . Howes wrote: > > > I just looked at these. In June 2001 3.3% of visitors were using a > > BBC Micro > > That is interesting. I wonder what kind of web browser you could > write to run in a machine with 32K RAM. Of course, if you made the Later BBCs had more RAM. > browser a "language ROM" you get an additional 16K for your code, and > can use the RAM that frees up for data. > > So, does anyone know of a web browser for the BBC Micro? I am writing a web browser for the QL in SuperBasic (and now in C, using curses). However the project started out on an Acorn RiscPC in BBC Basic, this should work on a BBC given some alteration. A TCP/IP stack (and code to work with it) would be needed and I know of several 8 bit computers with them, so it could be done. Yours Tarquin Mills

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Re: [Alug] Usage Stats for anglian.lug.org.uk
by MJ Ray 16 Jun '01

16 Jun '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > The other possibility, of course, is that someone has a browser that > lets the user configure the agent header (doesn't opera let you do > that?), or a proxy server that can be made to falsify it. It's wwwoffle falsifying the user-agent to flag up sites which are trying to check the user-agent header and return different versions of a site to me. They almost all look at "BBC Micro" and go "MUH?". It's the same reason my default browser background is lime green: to spot bad web site coding. > The other interesting thing is that this is a Linux related web site > and most of the browsers appear to be MS IE on Windows! Yes, I noticed that. I guess we need more content which is aimed at a) illustrating the benefits of Linux for people running buggy non-free systems; and b) getting Linux ppp working easily. Any volunteers? Articles should first be emailed to alug-announce at stu.uea.ac.uk to test them out and get the rough edges knocked off. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

>Nor was I, it has taken many years to build up the little knowledge >that I have. I my self have asked lots of stupid questions and also >admitted to being wrong (publically on list). I have been where you sit >now but with people just saying RTFM, and as such have sat and read >"Computer Networks" and also "TCP/IP Network Admin", I was about to >make a comment about this book then realised that I have your copy on >my desk at home. Just a quick further on one this as I'm sure the list are rolling their eyes - sorry, got home last night and thought what a pillock i must have sounded spouting all that out. Glad you took it in the slightly humorous vein it was intended in, David. I hope it didn't sound as though i take it for granted i have some kind of right to your knowledge - I am actually humbled by your patience and extremely grateful. Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a non-newbie one.......? Can't wait to get my hands on the TCP/IP book. >I didn't realize you were 37 btw. Age is relative (until your body falls apart I guess), however I have heard that you learn something like 75% of everything you are ever going to learn by the age of 5. If you haven't learnt language by then you can never form the correct patterns, as well. >Also as for cookery, have you noticed its very similair to computing, I compared learning linux to baking a cake for the first time with no recipe book and no idea what any of the little ingredient packets are the other day. >PS you don't fancy getting IP firewalling working on my box on sunday, I'm stuck. The very thought of being let loose on any one else's computer makes me shudder with terror. >I will be bringing a converter in the form of a hub with BNC on the back. Thanks. I may have talked two people on various forums into attending. They have a long way to come though. > Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now, proudly. >Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect recently. I gave up on pine (can explain Sun if u like) and installed mutt instead. Many thanks all. Take me quietly to one side on sunday and have a word in my ear about list protocol if I'm out of order on the gossip front. Jen

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

> Main cause of problem was ignorance about how WINS and DNS work, > probably. <fx action=" clenches fists and repeats "I will say nothing, I'll say nothing"> Sorry :o) Something to do with the same way some of us aren't born with silver spoons, I unfortunately wasn't born with the knowledge of TCP/IP protocols and software oozing from my pores. ;) Seriously david - you must stop dissing me for asking about things I'm ignorant of. I was computer illiterate until three years ago, am now 37 and way past my best learning prime, didn't have such a beast as a computer in school (no, we had to do cookery and sewing), and think I'm piecing stuff together not too badly considering. If you don't feel you want to answer my questions, I don't expect that, but believe me, i spend a lot more time looking around for information on the net and in books than i do asking alug questions. If i have completely ground to a halt or feel a pointer in the right direction will help, then i'll ask - isn't that what a user group is for? OK, there could be a few hundred books out there that will supply me with the same information but m,y time and financial resources are extremely limited. The very fact I didn't know that what was with the wins and dns stuff is what stopped me going to look it up in the first place (if you follow). I tried, I floundered, I asked, the penny dropped, I tried some more and i succeeded. (New latin motto...?) Jen.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by MJ Ray 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although > one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a > non-newbie one.......? Oh, I think while we're quite tolerant here, it'll all work nicely. It's easier for non-newbies to help newbies than newbies to help newbies, if that makes any sense. The intolerant or just plain overwhelmed can join alug-announce now. Anyone else want to write items for that (unedited) "newsletter"? I'll copy any articles which appear on the web site to it. > I compared learning linux to baking a cake for the first time with no > recipe book and no idea what any of the little ingredient packets are the > other day. awww ;-( And I thought the ingredients lists were enough... > >Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect > I gave up on pine (can explain Sun if u like) and installed mutt instead. > Many thanks all. Take me quietly to one side on sunday and have a word in > my ear about list protocol if I'm out of order on the gossip front. Nah, just keep it clear on who's speaking where, unless it's you. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by MJ Ray 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now, proudly. Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect recently. > Mark - I'm coming on Sunday with probably this debian box and a bit of > co-ax, and maybe also a laptop and a broken pcmcia. Well, a UTP/RJ45/whatever the new sort are called today would be more use, unless someone has a converter. I can't allow non-UEA machines directly onto the university network. I can only connect them via the firewall machine. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

Main cause of problem was ignorance about how WINS and DNS work, probably. Did a crash course yesterday. I'll try and do a write-up. Still got to finish the one on networking. It's hard to explain sometimes. >Now for an encore how about a kernel recompile.[1] Oh, *that*! I did that at lunchtime. Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now, proudly. Mark - I'm coming on Sunday with probably this debian box and a bit of co-ax, and maybe also a laptop and a broken pcmcia. Cheers, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

Everyone! Today I have acheived getting Samba running AND getting the networking on the linux sorted, so I am currently beaming at TRX850 shares on the windows network neighbourhood browser, and lynx www.alug.org.uk on the linux box. Thanks for all the help on this. Can't believe it! Wooohoooo! I still can't send mail or receive. Is there a mail client other than balsa that i can run from cli? I think the fact we use Lotus notes for our domain mail isn't so good. Jenny.

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NEWS round up - Important news for any one who cares.
by David Freeman 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

As many of you who read Slashdot will know, corporations and, under the command of corporations, Governments, are trying there best to stiffle freedom. And the latest internatinal treaty could make things even worse. RMS sums up the details at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/hague.html Couple this with the international cybercrime treaty. And also the RIP and private security industry act, we are in trouble. In a single ray of hope, the EU is investigating the pricing and regional encoding of DVD's, The australian government has also begun an investigation into DVD region encoding and New Zealand has made it illegal. Thats the news for this week. ---- Now for something completely different. Fun sites to view The support group for people used by microsoft http://i-want-a-website.com/about-microsoft/ And even more bazaar http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/ Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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humph [that was traceroute DNS thread]
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

That's put paid to that flurry of activity; one of our routers has just been replaced and now i can't ping/telnet or traceroute outside the network from win or linbox. (!N). Funny how the web and external email are still working. Outside my jurisdiction though. Thanks for help, though - pennies are slowly dropping. Ta for the info on the packages thing, as well, Mark. Jenny

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Mark, which country do you live in? We didn't elect a new governement > last weeek, the cooperations did, so what if BT is a monopoly, so what > if microsoft is a monopoly, they are spending lots of money and I can't > afford to piss them off. No matter what under the current system we are > screwed. If they were all cooperatives, things would probably be a lot better around here. Anyway, BT is a monopoly and Microsoft wants to be one. Both should be slapped back by government at every opportunity and made to behave legally. These days, we have to look to the EU to enforce these laws, which is a great shame, while our own government cheerfully helps to launch "Office xp" and screw more money out of UK business for a US corporation. See the stuff about the UK Government Gateway on uk.comp.os.linux for more of this sort of thing. It's probably off-topic here now. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > >Install the "dnsutils" package. > Gorgeous, thanks There's a bit on debian's web site http://www.uk.debian.org/ which will find out which package a given file is in. Or you can use "dpkg -S filename" on a system which has it installed, but that can be a catch 22... > DNS is disabled, WINS server is enabled, above address. Do I have to > handle this differently? I'm not sure, but you probably need to give it a working DNS. Maybe nameserver 139.222.1.5 is visible from outside UEA still? Or try your ISP's settings. Or get a local DNS. ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

>Install the "dnsutils" package. Gorgeous, thanks >if you get the reply >www.alug.org.uk A 209.61.182.158 No, I get "a record cannot be found" >then your DNS resolver is working, if not you will have to look at why >name resolution is broke. (oh yeah this will only work if your lan can see >the internet) DNS is disabled, WINS server is enabled, above address. Do I have to handle this differently? Lan can indeed see internet Thanks for the help, all - perhaps I can show gratitude in the form of McVities Choc Digestives on Sun.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

>try nslookup (host is a newer program being phased in in some distro's, >nslookup is the old one)... No, not this either. This is the debian distro Adam gave me: 2.2 r2. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Jen

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > "host: command not found" Can't find a file named host on box (debian). Install the "dnsutils" package. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Thanks Adam - >with /usr/sbin/traceroute insert name or IP no here e.g. >/usr/sbin/traceroute 209.61.182.158 This seems to find it ok. >in /etc/resolv.conf you will want domain toby-churchill.com >nameserver 192.168.10.10 Yup. >then try typing :- >host www.alug.org.uk "host: command not found" Can't find a file named host on box (debian). Jen

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basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Hi list, - get your groans ready. Quick Qs on routing: Linux box address 192.168.11.106 is on intranet 192.168.11.0 Router box address 192.168.11.100 forwards packets to router box 192.168.10.100 These are routed to server 192.168.10.10 These are then sent to the outside world. My present routing table for linux box is 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 I sent a mail to myself at this win computer's address (Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com IP 192.168.11.102) as a test but I assumed as i haven't got resolv.conf (is it?) setup it would send this packet to the outside world then it would come back in. Balsa set up a mail client using localhost as SMTP server, and gave me the address root@TRX850 (where TRX850 = linuxbox name) . I think if the sent mail was going to arrive it would have by now, so failure means a couple of Q's: 1.How can I trace the packet that i sent from the linux box to see if it went anywhere? 2.What do i need to configure on the linux box to correct the non-routing event? resolv.conf is empty as yet - adding either "nameserver 192.168.10.10" and "Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com 192.168.11.102" doesn't cause stuff to arrive. 3.Surely the address @TRX850 needs to have the domain name toby-churchill.com, same as the network here? I mean, it's a GREAT address, but have I boobed? Thanks! Jen of the Questions.

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Administrivia
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Whoever emails us via "citlink.net" has got the hahaha@sexyfun thing on their computer. Please disinfect yourself and consider being more careful in future ;-) -- MJR

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