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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

>Install the "dnsutils" package. Gorgeous, thanks >if you get the reply >www.alug.org.uk A 209.61.182.158 No, I get "a record cannot be found" >then your DNS resolver is working, if not you will have to look at why >name resolution is broke. (oh yeah this will only work if your lan can see >the internet) DNS is disabled, WINS server is enabled, above address. Do I have to handle this differently? Lan can indeed see internet Thanks for the help, all - perhaps I can show gratitude in the form of McVities Choc Digestives on Sun.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

>try nslookup (host is a newer program being phased in in some distro's, >nslookup is the old one)... No, not this either. This is the debian distro Adam gave me: 2.2 r2. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Jen

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > "host: command not found" Can't find a file named host on box (debian). Install the "dnsutils" package. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Thanks Adam - >with /usr/sbin/traceroute insert name or IP no here e.g. >/usr/sbin/traceroute 209.61.182.158 This seems to find it ok. >in /etc/resolv.conf you will want domain toby-churchill.com >nameserver 192.168.10.10 Yup. >then try typing :- >host www.alug.org.uk "host: command not found" Can't find a file named host on box (debian). Jen

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basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Hi list, - get your groans ready. Quick Qs on routing: Linux box address 192.168.11.106 is on intranet 192.168.11.0 Router box address 192.168.11.100 forwards packets to router box 192.168.10.100 These are routed to server 192.168.10.10 These are then sent to the outside world. My present routing table for linux box is 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 I sent a mail to myself at this win computer's address (Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com IP 192.168.11.102) as a test but I assumed as i haven't got resolv.conf (is it?) setup it would send this packet to the outside world then it would come back in. Balsa set up a mail client using localhost as SMTP server, and gave me the address root@TRX850 (where TRX850 = linuxbox name) . I think if the sent mail was going to arrive it would have by now, so failure means a couple of Q's: 1.How can I trace the packet that i sent from the linux box to see if it went anywhere? 2.What do i need to configure on the linux box to correct the non-routing event? resolv.conf is empty as yet - adding either "nameserver 192.168.10.10" and "Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com 192.168.11.102" doesn't cause stuff to arrive. 3.Surely the address @TRX850 needs to have the domain name toby-churchill.com, same as the network here? I mean, it's a GREAT address, but have I boobed? Thanks! Jen of the Questions.

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Administrivia
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Whoever emails us via "citlink.net" has got the hahaha@sexyfun thing on their computer. Please disinfect yourself and consider being more careful in future ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Joss Winn <joss(a)josswinn.org> writes: > The University accomodation doesn't look that attractive after living in > my own house for the last few years, although I don't mind the sound of > some of the networked rooms available. However it is unlikely I will be > offered one. I've been told all campus rooms will be networked by Christmas at a university committee meeting yesterday. I'll leave it to others to remark about when they originally planned to have it done by. ;-) > Assuming I will look for shared accomodation or a studio flat, can > anybody tell me about the availability of cable or DSL in the area? ADSL is supposed to arrive early next year, first to Norwich City exchange, then to Norwich West a couple of weeks later, so I think that means almost all student accommodation will be covered. Clearly BT aren't quite as stupid as I give them credit for. > If anyone has _any_ advice at all regarding accomodation and computing > for a post-grad student, I'd be very grateful. Oh, beware. Many departments at the university are still what I consider "Linux-hostile". Very few (eg MTH) are Linux-friendly and most are neutral. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Neil Sedger <n.sedger(a)bigfoot.com> writes: > Really? Where'd you get that gem of info from? I've been squeezing > BT's 'no idea sir' telestaff about every 2 months for the last > year... It's on their web site somewhere. I got the URL from uk.local.east-anglia originally, I think. > Although I then spoke to BTOpenworld, the ISP that uses ADSL. *One* ISP. Personally, I'd avoid them. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > BT has the technologie and ability to role out ADSL to everyone, except > it costs so much to do. OFTEL wont let us loss lead the excersise to > allow us to get lots of penetration into the market. [...] I don't think you should use "us" here. You are not allowed to speak on the behemoth's behalf. My opinion is that BT is solely interested in screwing as much money as possible out of the current technologies (eg ISDN) before having to discount them when they introduce the superior DSL systems. If BT had our interests at heart, they would be planning to do residential DSL through the normal connectors, which I think is now possible, and wouldn't require the engineer to come and rip holes in my wall again. > Find a place with an always on connection (i.e. UEA) and then put a > 802.11b base station with highpower antenna up on the roof, directed at [...] What prices are wireless networking equipment now? Is it getting to the point where sharing a single higher speed connection among a street is an economic reality? How would the service provider view this? Shouldn't we just network ourselves anyway and sod the telcos? I seem to recall that some American towns have taken this route. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > BT is a corporation and as such has the mission of screwing money from > people, and while people are still gullable enought to be screwed, they > will continue screwing, why else do we get charged so much for things > in this country. [...] Aren't we meant to have regulators to guard against this sort of thing? It's all well and good to say "don't pay for it if it's too expensive", but there is no alternative to BT's monopoly, until wireless becomes viable for general use (and the antennae can be sited on the rooftops instead of by people). -- MJR

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alug-announce digest, Vol 1 #1 - 2 msgs
by alug-announce-admin＠stu.uea.ac.uk 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

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online services in Norwich question
by Joss Winn 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Hello, I will be returning to the UK in six weeks and will begin an MA at UEA in September. I received information about accomodation at the University residences yesterday and am hoping list members in Norwhich can advise me on a couple of things regarding networking and accomodation in the area. The University accomodation doesn't look that attractive after living in my own house for the last few years, although I don't mind the sound of some of the networked rooms available. However it is unlikely I will be offered one. Assuming I will look for shared accomodation or a studio flat, can anybody tell me about the availability of cable or DSL in the area? Am I likely to find it, how much will it cost? It is quite a high priority of mine to be on a 24/7 connection, and would influence my choice of accomodation while in Norwich for the year. I have spent the last three years on a crappy dial-up connection paying way, way too much money for it (over 100 quid a month) and would really like to get the connection I've been dreaming of all this time, once I begin at UEA. If anyone has _any_ advice at all regarding accomodation and computing for a post-grad student, I'd be very grateful. thanks. Looking forward to meeting you all. please cc me if it is not too much trouble. Joss

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RE: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by Quantrill, Simon 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

I agree, however the nearest hub is Lowestoft I know cause I run it!!, but it is at present only connectable at rates of a shared 9600 port, there is a move to go 2 meg in the microwave band and although it is connected to the internet 24/7 I do not allow people through it from the radio to the internet. 1. Cause my ISP dont allow it 2. It would break my licensing conditions 2. Cause i have to pay for the internet connection!! However you do need a license There was a site that were setting up local (non amateur)radio internet connections using wavelan and airconnect stuff not to sure of the web site but that was radio path connections up to about 11mb and it was license free!! so I guess if a site like the UEA were to put up a gateway and people in the area installed the wavelan gear it would work ok!!! Simon Quantrill Principle Infrastructure Engineer Lotus Cars PLC +44(0)1953 608491 -----Original Message----- From: wbh [mailto:W.B.Hill@uea.ac.uk] Sent: 12 June 2001 14:31 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Adam Bower wrote: > for the bit of string that connects your house to the ISP. Is it possible > to use HAM radio for net connections? there seems to be plenty of things > in the Linux kernel for it. Short answer - you don't want to go there. Long answer. 9600 baud is considered fast. You need a licence. The radio "internet" isn't connected to the real one. You need someone within range who's prepared to accept your traffic, last time I checked (about 3 years) that meant Cambridge, which meant I'd need an antenna the size of a pylon, or to learn morse... (--- ... :-) There was talk of a 1.5Mbit link, but I haven't heard anthing in a while, and that was on one of the microwave bands. Welcome to the twilight zone where valves are the vogue and your circuit looks like it's a particularly tricky plumbing problem. _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! ____________________________________________________________________ "This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT Call Centre by telephone on 44 (0) 1953 608000." postmaster(a)lotuscars.co.uk http://www.lotuscars.co.uk http://www.lotuseng.com

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by brodders＠cwcom.net 12 Jun '01

12 Jun '01

Hi all, I've been with NTL (initially Bell Cable Media via Mercury, then C&W, now NTL) since mid '97. NTL World does not exist in Norwich, the old Mercury exchange will not support it. I've had the NTL World CD from early last year - but the local exchange has not routing for / does not recognise the NTL World 0800 number. Pressing NTL abount this has repeatedly given "coming in a few months" answer. Last time I asked (c. March '01) I got a story about NTL wondering if they should roll out the existing NTL World on V.90 kit OR jump to all-digital. Latter route is strategic but needs a new exchange = even more money & time. NTL are supplying digital TV here, so it might change. Let's call them now... 5 people later: OK. Broadband replaces NTL World, there are no roll-out dates for the Norwich area for Broadband. The sales drone I spoke to could only parrot that; they knew no more. DHYB Steve >On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Joss Winn wrote: > >> So is this BT deal, just a 56k dialup? Has 128K ISDN taken off in the >> UK? It's all the rage here in Japan. > >I havn't heard of any FRIACO ISP's that allow 128k ISDN? is this now >available?, there are now other FRIACO deals where some ISP's are >allocating a fixed amount of time online for a fixed fee. This is what I >am using at the moment and I don't get kicked after 2 hours (but I havn't >found out what happens if I use more than my allocated time yet). > >If you are in a NTL Cable serviced area and want cable tv and take NTL's >package you should automagically get two telephone lines and free dial-up >with NTL World, this would give you a 2 hour kick off but I do know >someone at work who is using this with automatic recconection for over a >year to get free 24/7 access. I don't know if this applys in Norwich >though as it is an old C&W serviced area, although the Digital tv has just >been launched there which means Cable Modems should not be to far behind. > >Oh yeah and if NTL release Cable modems in Norwich you will probably >find BT will magically offer ADSL about a week after launch, and the reverse >of that statement is also probably true. :) > >hmm, still seems dial-up in the UK isn't cheap, you just pay loads upfront >now for a fixed time online... > >Adam >-- >This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed >Adam > > > > >_______________________________________________ >alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list >Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk >http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug >See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! >

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Sunday
by David Freeman 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

All, If you want any books for the weekend, email me by wednesday lunch time. I will need cash or money transfer or cheque tho. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] add-on page
by MJ Ray 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

People looking for another web scripted system are solving the wrong problem. Access is perfectly possible, it's just that not enough people are doing it. After the last "pretty web front end" failed, I did what people wanted then and made it XML/XSL. I'll help anyone get started with it (email me!), although you'll hopefully understand it if I (or someone else) checks over people's first page or two to make sure the web site survives. ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Vote now! 17th or 24th...
by MJ Ray 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

MJ Ray <mjr(a)stats.mth.uea.ac.uk> writes: > Let me know today if possible so I can change the room booking if > necessary, please. Argh, sorry, room not available. 17th it has to be. See some of you there and I'll push out the announcement first thing tomorrow morning. -- MJR

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MS Exchange Server
by govind chandra (JIC) 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

Hello, Does anybody know how to get one's email from a MS Exchange Server in Linux? What I want to know is, if it is possible to query Exchange Server like POP3 or IMAP servers. Email is the only thing that I have to boot into windows for and use outlook. Govind Chandra

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RE: [Alug] add-on page
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

>Eventually I would still like to see a system like PHP Website (see >http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu) as the central engine for the ALUG site as >that would then allow for admins/authors (permissions can be set for >approval/submission access, etc) to make changes to the site without the >need for FTP or shell access - everything will be added/amended through a >MySQL database and PHP code. Just an idea - feel free to bash me about with >a frying pan if you don't like it :) >Regards,Martyn Not knowing anything about this, I can't comment too loudly, but perhaps even if it would be a hassle to begin with it would reduce work for the site manager in the long run....individual folks can be in charge of and update their own stuff. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Vote now! 17th or 24th...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

>....and I think that to get new members... Look out. They might ask strings of ridiculous questions. (Speaking of which...) Web page is ready. Having never done one before I shall simply await instruction from above. Jenny.

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Vote now! 17th or 24th...
by MJ Ray 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

Wheels are in motion for the 17th, but people are indicating Father's Day is a bad day for a meeting. Will this seriously hit attendance? Do we want to: 1. Go ahead as planned 2. Postpone to the following Sunday ? Let me know today if possible so I can change the room booking if necessary, please. MJR

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add-on page
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

Hi all, I've just about finished a web page for alug listing sites and books. (I was going to have the How I Did The NIC Thing on there too but not done it yet). I haven't got a domain and recoil at the thought of Freeserve's free space cluttering it up with banners, so is there a way I can plonk it up on the alug site? Re. relative links....(eg the alug logo), will they be in the same directory? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Vote now! 17th or 24th...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

1. Go ahead as planned 2. Postpone to the following Sunday Either suits me ok. A shame to break B John's long-standing tradition of attending meetings. Jenny.

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] ALUG Librarian stuff
by MJ Ray 11 Jun '01

11 Jun '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Exactly. The english language is a self referential incomplete system ( > i.e. recuresion to recursion) and by using a meta language - UML - we > can desribe things without the self referentailism. ...but instead UML is defined in English which is a self-referential... you get the idea ;-) > I think you mean spiral [...] Instead of what? "Waterfall" rings a bell from my Systems Engineering course many years ago. -- MJR

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