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any free seats for Norwich on Sunday please??
by CEPi 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

(i'm sending this again as it was on HTMl format and it was blocked..sorry:--) Ipswich----->Norwich for Linux day on 29'th?? If someone still got space on their cars for a poor student i would be most gratefull :--) I can bring 2 CD fresh Mandrake 8.0, a 10/100 Nic, a 5 port 10BaseT hub, 2 x cables and a Elsa external 56K modem. If someone is on dial-up 56K and is a Mandrake user and would like a Installation Mandrake CD , i'll burn it for them. cheers CEPi Ipswich

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test-- please ignoretest 1
by CEPi 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

test 1 CEPi

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Re: [Alug] poster
by MJ Ray 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > 1. Is this the correct URL to use for map? > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug No, http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ (being updated as we speak). > 2. Is this correct? Yes. Phone numbers tbc... sorry. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Jo, you've out-virgoed me! (list update). Does anyone know with mIRC what happens after the trial month? It strongly suggests I register, does this mean "pay money"? Thanks, Jen.

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IRC addresses ALUG
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

This is what we have so far. Any more to add? > David Freeman - Akula > Neill Newman - Scoobz > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > Laurie Brown - brownowl > William Hill - Rufty > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > Chris Glover - Taral

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YAC Phone Number
by PleXeR 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Ok people ALUG now has a YAC phone number which can be redirected to aid future events the numbers is 07092012026 but hasn't be redirected anywhere yet if the main contact for the groups would like to email me privately I will give them the pin number etc for the phone number. Hope this helps. Cheers, Ben

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press release
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Morning all, For your info I have just faxed the press release to the following papers: Saffron Walden Weekly News Haverhill Echo Newmarket Journal Cambridge Evening News I'm quite happy to fax others but didn't want to overlap with anyone else- if you want me to fax the East Anglian Daily Times/Eastern Daily Press/Bury Free Press then please tell me- I know Akula said he was going to, so I don't want to be sending them duplicates! Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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poster
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Info needed: 1. Is this the correct URL to use for map? http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug 2. Is this correct? Bring your pC to Hive Bar Union House UEA Norwich from 2 pm - 6.30 pm on Sunday 29th 3. Phone number: contact number for information..........is?........ Is that all required? Butcher's apostrophe gone - surprised I missed it as they are one of my pet hates. Jen

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Delurk and HEEEEEEEEEELP!
by LxS 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

I hereby delurk, and notify you all of my capabilities: Nearly competent with Redhat/Mandrake Pure of knowledge of every other Linux distro Demon of programming; Perl, PHP, C, C++, Java, blah blah. More to the point, I'm studying CompSci at UEA and therefore know the place pretty well. If you want to know stuff about the venue, I can probably help. If I ever turn up to IRC, it will be as 'lxs' or possibly 'nuyen'. POTD (problem of the day): how the mail system works. There seems to be a lot of different options, which makes everything very confusing for a student of little brain. Mandrake automatically runs postfix, which would be fine, except I don't know what I need to set where so that it's magic happens. Eg what should I call my localhost.localdomain, since I connect via PPP? Incidentally, POYday was that when I dial with kppp, I get a message saying interface ppp0 not defined. But web works, so I +/- decided not to push my luck. POTDBT (anyone get it?) was installing X402/3 so I can get hardware OpenGL. Considering giving up totally as every time I try xdm/kdm get f*d. Help with any of the above gratefully received. Alexis ps. Hello, Ashley! -- "I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have" - T Jefferson Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow it may be illegal.

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Paul: thanks for the link. Anyone: I still need a contact phone number for our poster, btw - David, any ideas, shall i put your number? And confirmation of the uRL. I'm only here till 2.30 today, so need to get it done and dusted. Jen.

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Modems......may be of use on Sunday
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi all Just a quickie to let you know (may be of use for Sunday...) I have an Ambient PCI 56k Ham Modem (Ham = Host Accellerated Modem - methinks). When I bought it (some 6 months ago) I was assured it was a fully fledged hardware modem..... Well its not! It uses the cpu for a couple of things, though it is not a true Winmodem in that sense. Anyways..it is bloody popular amongst windoze users....cheap you see. I finally got it working last night on a red-hat 6.2 running kernel 2.2.16-3 (and stepped up to decent speed in web surfing in the process), here's how : 1) downloaded the driver source from : http://developer.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers/r-333-5.htm 2) unzipped it then followed the intructions in the readme (make clean; make all; make install). Which compiled and installed the kernel module drivers... (requires kernel headers for current kernel, NB, not yet compatible with 2.4 kernel/ppp arrangements) I believe it also depends on gnome libraries - has something to do with the regional settings for the modem, though it won't die if you don't have them you will just need an extra init parameter .... see below. 3) called the start script for it :(red hat, other distros may differ here) $> /etc/rc.d/init.d/hamboot start (options are [start|stop|restart]) which loads the modules and makes a node /dev/ham as a character device. 4) created a symlink from ttyS3 (any ttyS will do - this step is not necessary unless you wish to use wvdial to autoconfigure...): $>ln -s /dev/ham /dev/ttyS3 5)ran wvdial configuration : $>wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf (for existing config file - my case) or $>wvdialconf create (I think this is correct for no pre-existing file.....undocumented!) Alternatively (easier) under gnome run the internet->dial-up configuration tool and under the modem tab select auto-configure. both methods will iterate through /dev/ttyS* looking for modems. When it finds the modem set it as default. .... One final thing : edit /etc/wvdial.conf and either add an extra init string AT+GCI=b4 which initialises to modem UK (whether this is required depends on the gnome libraries default). I succeeded by commenting out the area code entry for the dial-up in wvdial.conf and put the whole number into the phone number field. This all assumes that you have dial-up account details. At the command line type wvdial <dialup account> or under X run the 'network monitor' app under the internet menu, then click the region entitled <dial up account name> and off you go. Apparently it has been tested on all major distros and works well.... there is a little caveat for debian users I think but that's covered in the readme file. Hope this is of use. Cheers Earl PS Apolos for any typos/inaccuracies, I'm writing this at work, from memory. PPS Can't say how bloody chuffed I am that intel have done this, finally, they deserve a little award! Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein)

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

>Yes it does, if anyone knows of a free and easy (probably mutually >exclusive in the windows world!) to use Windows client I'll >change the reminder to reflect this. All the more reason to concentrate on getting a working modem, and getting connected, using my linux box rather than my windows at home, then, I guess! I'm looking to swap my diamond non-linux for a US Robotics a friend has, just confirming it is supported model before i do it, though. Found a nice page http://members.tripod.co.uk/uk_radio_amateurs/modemlin.html that lists stuff. Jen.

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RE: [Alug] freedom.... and other things
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Sorry everyone... I've been flamed for this in the past on other sites - slashdot springs to mind. It is the standard footer we send out on all our emails and I often forget to delete it when posting 'personals'. Apologies again Will try not to let it happen again. Cheers Earl On 24 April 2001 11:17, Adam Bower [SMTP:abower@zeus.com] wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not > > sure about the former. > > (Albert Einstein) > > Copyright Linden House Software Ltd. > > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. > > It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone +Loads more lines of waffle > > Hi Earl, > > As I am a complete pain in the arse type of person! I am going to moan > about your signature. 14 lines is a little long especially without > sigdashes in it. Note I am not flaming or anything, it just seems a little > excessive to me so please take no offence from this. > > Thanks > Adam > -- > Adam Bower, <abower(a)zeus.com> Tel: +44 1223 525000 > System Administrator Fax: +44 1223 525100 > Zeus Technology Ltd http://www.zeus.com > Zeus House, Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0ZT England

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RE: [Alug] IRC list
by Pete Turner 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi, piemaster is me, list lurker and occasional meeting attendee. Pete Turner Wheel Solutions Ltd Tel: 01284 717132 Email: pst(a)wsl.uk.com http://www.wheel-solutions.com -----Original Message----- From: jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk [mailto:jo@yee-ha.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2001 10:46 To: alug Subject: [Alug] IRC list Morning again, Here's a further updated IRC list: David Freeman - Akula Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz Jenny Hopkins - jenbass Laurie Brown - brownowl Jo Mitchell - futurshox William Hill - Rufty Bamir Hasani - CEPi Andrew Savory - savs or ajs Paul Tansom - WhaleTales Chris Glover - Taral Adam Bower - abower or quinophex Mark J Ray - slef or slav or slaf Jonathan Pulfer - miniman Steve Fosdick - fozzy_ Rob - daetelis Ben - PleXeR or DOA Would BigJohn, Dave, rdc_louisd, xeno42, piemaster or Bitch care to reveal themselves, perchance? ;) Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<> _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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freedom.... and other things
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi David - thanks for the post. I Hope to be there Sunday but I'm not sure I can make it until saturday (I may be visiting my friend who works at GCHQ as it goes......wife and kids thing I'm afraid...... feel like a bit if a cry-off after all I just been saying......) Am digesting your further comments. cheers Earl Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein) Copyright Linden House Software Ltd. The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing Linden House Software client engagement letter. Earl Brannigan Linden House Software LTD Linden House Gazeley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 8RD Tel : 01638 750780 Mobile : 07940 280492 Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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IRC list
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Morning again, Here's a further updated IRC list: David Freeman - Akula Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz Jenny Hopkins - jenbass Laurie Brown - brownowl Jo Mitchell - futurshox William Hill - Rufty Bamir Hasani - CEPi Andrew Savory - savs or ajs Paul Tansom - WhaleTales Chris Glover - Taral Adam Bower - abower or quinophex Mark J Ray - slef or slav or slaf Jonathan Pulfer - miniman Steve Fosdick - fozzy_ Rob - daetelis Ben - PleXeR or DOA Would BigJohn, Dave, rdc_louisd, xeno42, piemaster or Bitch care to reveal themselves, perchance? ;) Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Telephone Numbers
by MJ Ray 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

"PleXeR" <ben(a)plextech.co.uk> writes: > These numbers are only about £5.00, what does everyone think? Get one from www.yac.com instead? 07092 but free to the user. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Archives
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Being an idiot I have lost the address of the archives. No you didn't. See below. > Could someone please remind me of the address. [...] > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug [snip] Looks like it's there for me. -- MJR

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Telephone Numbers
by PleXeR 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hi all first post from me ;o) I was just having a chat with akula on IRC and we thought that it would be a good idea if the group had a contact phone number so I suggested something like an 07050 number which can be redirected to any number you wish so different people could take turns manning the hotline as it were. These numbers are only about £5.00, what does everyone think? Cheers, Ben

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Re: [Alug] IRC Stuff.
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > > David Freeman - Akula > > Neill Newman - Scoobz > > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > > Laurie Brown - brownowl > > William Hill - Rufty > > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > > Chris Glover - Taral > > Adam Bower - abower or quinophex > > Jo Mitchell - futurshox I'm slef, slav or slaf and countless variations on it. -- MJR

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[Fwd: Re: [Alug] Linuxday April 29th]
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Alug] Linuxday April 29th > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:54:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com > To: alug <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> > > All, > > As you should now be aware we are just seven days away from National > Linux day (NLD). Mark, you should hopefully have received all the CD's. > Has this happened? I have a list of a few people who can help with > installs but could do with more. Also I have a 2 willing volunteers for > the biscuits (Jo and Steve) :o) Biscuits I can handle, but what is happening with tea/coffee/beer? Someone mentioned a bar (woo!), but do we need to provide other drinks? I've not been to Norwich before (ever!) so do not know what is there or not... Jo

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Freedom
by Earl Brannigan 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Attempting to respond to all-in-one here so bare with me.... > Toby Jaffey<toby(a)earth.li> wrote > > I'm sick of being held to ransom by the big corporates. But its no suprise. > > Democracy is a misnomer. Little people don't get heard while the big > > corporates have more lobbyists than there are MPs MEPs etc to lobby. > > What would you suggest instead? > Vote anarchy? > Rule by benevolent dictator? Hi Toby, Dunno about 'voting' anarchy, by definition there would be nobody to vote for or any voting system...? However I take your point. Currently what we have is not Democracy (Rulership by the Demos) but a form of autocracy in which we (the Demos) get to vote for a new/continued autocrat every few years. Democracy is supposed to be about the 'will of the people' whatever that is... What I personally would like to see is an end to corporate lobbyism. Since a corporation is not by definition or otherwise a member of the Demos it should thus have no say in a democracy. Now I know all the chestnuts for this line but the bottom line is that we the demos are not represented as extensively as corps. This is un-democratic. > Toby Jaffey<toby(a)earth.li> wrote > > Mostly however I will attempt to stay within the land of the 'free', a > > growing world. So when someone comes along with a proprietary restricive > > DVD software for Linux I'll say "No Thanks". > > Ok, but most people will gladly accept it. I've done a lot of support > and bits of random code for the Xine project (a GPL'd mpeg2/dvd player > for linux). People just want something that works, lots of people have > said that they'd willingly buy LinDVD if/when it ever happens, just to > have something that works properly. > > In my experience "the masses" want things that work and are willing to > pay for them and are more than willing to give up freedoms to get them. Unless they realise (through education etc) that they are giving up freedoms, and the implications for those freedoms and their other life choices by giving up those freedoms, and have a choice to take options that work without compromising those freedoms. This is what 'Free Software' etc is about, as we all know. Freedom to do what you like without the ability to restrict those freedoms for others. It is a bit of a concept shift that is difficult to grasp at first, especially when being FUD-ed (what odds on a 'DecCSS can break your DVDs' story in the future?). > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > So niave, you mean to say you thought we actually got a say in hwat > happens. The only way that happens is by donating lots of money to th > goverment, witness Burny Ecelstone(sp?) Hi again David No, never once beleived we get a say, that is my point. Doesn't matter who I donate a vote to it doesn't give me any input into the process of decision making. > > > David you ask what we can do. > > The only thing one can do is to stick to open, non-copyrighted stuff > > as far > > as practical. > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > Yes I agree, But I am but a drop in th ocean. No one will listen to me. > My blank refusal to by a DVD player until region encoding is removed > has lost the DVD companies practically nothing. > > > Boycott those which seek to restrict your choices as both a citizen > > and a > > consumer. > > Thats fine in theory, but I am only one, and with those on the list, we > make up less than one percent of 1 percent of the voting population. True, which is why we need to pull together on it. To me there will be two kinds of people who take a stand on this sort of thing. Those who boycott altogether and those who will continue to crack, use DecCSS or whatever to protect their right to proper use. Either way if enough people do it then it will have an effect. There are myriads of options for making it downright difficult to enforce this sort of thing. Eg. I have been involved in the past in counter-cult work, where a large religious cult (talk about multi-national corps, this one is the largest real-estate developer and the largest publisher in the world... and it's a charity!!!) was trying to shut down web sites which were critical of it. This org is not short of a few bob. They soon gave up because chasing down the ever-moving domains/mirrors, contacting ISPs, beginning legal action, discovering they had moved again etc, became impossible. Of course with the reduction in 'free' ISPs worldwide such a method might not be so easy in future. But you see my point? Frustrating efforts, spoiling tactics, that sort of thing. > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > RIP bill is a classic example of this. Indeed! I have a friend who works at GCHQ. Its funny talking to him about work because he's not allowed to tell you anything about what he does.... So the other day he says he's really busy bcuz he's got tons to do for some new thing being introduced... trying to be vague or what!. Nearly fell off his chair when I said "Yeah I bet that RIP act has got your lot busy as hell!". > This is great in theory, but for most things the market is several > millions of people and we are just a handful. For now yes, dissenters in this area are just a handful, but as the number of 'free' software users increases, and exposure to this way of thinking also increases, so will the number of dissenters. Especially if we don't all shrug our shoulders and let this matter go away, but keep it 'on the agenda' as it were so that newcomers can also pick up on it. David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > Quite true, we need to get the ball to start rolling, this is one of > the reason I have been pushing NLD. The ball is already rolling, we just need to keep it that way. Sorry, probably being a thick but what's NLD? cheers all. admin : please don't curtail this one yet. Earl

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IRC Stuff.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> David Freeman - Akula > Neill Newman - Scoobz > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > Laurie Brown - brownowl > William Hill - Rufty > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > Chris Glover - Taral > Adam Bower - abower or quinophex > Jo Mitchell - futurshox

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[Fwd: Re: [Alug] IRC addresses ALUG]
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> > This is what we have so far. Any more to add? > > > > > David Freeman - Akula > > > Neill Newman - Scoobz > > > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > > > Laurie Brown - brownowl > > > William Hill - Rufty > > > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > > > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > > > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > > > Chris Glover - Taral > > Adam Bower - abower or sometimes (though probably not alug) quinophex /me realises lack of actual contribution to this list Jo Mitchell - futurshox :)

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Re: [Fwd: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder]
by Chris Glover 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hi... Depending on how the traffic is tonioght... I'll be known as Taral :-) > Chris > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Chris Glover | Change Control Co-ordinator, Broadcast Systems Engineer, > Playout Areas > > BBC Technology | Room 3077 | BBC Television Centre | Wood Lane | W12 7RJ | > UK > > W: +44 (0)20 857 61629 F: +44 (0)20 857 60098 M: +44 (0)7977 > 420828 > > http://www.bbctechnology.com > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated.

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