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Re: [Alug] RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #194 - 16 msgs
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Toby Jaffey <toby(a)earth.li> writes: > In my experience "the masses" want things that work and are willing to > pay for them and are more than willing to give up freedoms to get them. Paying for software and giving up freedoms are not mutually exclusive, IMO. Sadly, many people don't even realise that they have the freedoms which they are invited to surrender for no cost benefit. Education is the only way forwards. Anyone to write a "Why Free?" poster text for LinuxDay? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > a wet paper bag? Is it really better than NFS? if it is I will remove > the NFS from the plan as samba may be used for the nt support. If samba is going to be used anyway and you want per-user sharing, might as well use it, I guess. No sense running more services than needed. I don't know how the performance compares. -- MJR

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RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #194 - 16 msgs
by Earl Brannigan 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Hi All, Sorry to all and sundry if this has nothing at all to do with the remit of ALUG. Please however spare me the flames. This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off. The reason I switched to Linux in the first place was one thing ... freedom. I'm sick of being held to ransom by the big corporates. But its no suprise. Democracy is a misnomer. Little people don't get heard while the big corporates have more lobbyists than there are MPs MEPs etc to lobby. Since when did a company vote? When did a company campaign for human rights? When did a company die on a battlefield protecting those rights? David you ask what we can do. The only thing one can do is to stick to open, non-copyrighted stuff as far as practical. Boycott those which seek to restrict your choices as both a citizen and a consumer. These things are snuck in very quietly, with cleverly orchestrated lead ups to convince people that these are good things. Thereby "protecting people's intellectual property" (a noble good thing to do) becomes necessary due to the 'high speed, rapidly changing knowledge economy" (something we all are a part of like it or not) but results in restrictions on choice and liberty being introduced by stealth - and nobody notices. For me, I will continue to exercise what I consider to be essential human freedoms - if that puts me in a position 'outside of the law' then so be it. Everyone must be their own master in this. I will support organisations such as Free Software Foundation which is involved in trying to prevent Software and Business Process patents from being enacted creating a complete minefield for anyone considering a software solution. Mostly however I will attempt to stay within the land of the 'free', a growing world. So when someone comes along with a proprietary restricive DVD software for Linux I'll say "No Thanks". If enough people say no thanks then the market (the only thing the Coporates Understand) will become the advocate of the free, supplying a voice to the dissenters. This is why things like National Linux Day are good. Getting people to begin thinking in 'free, open' terms can be like rescuing them from a cult. For me the past few years with GNU/Linux has opened up a whole world that I never realised existed. A rich environment that reciprocates in an almost altruistic manner. For me this is priceless, and the more people that realise this, get involved and make it work the better. When people aren't buying and aren't caring you can bet that the big guys will take note. Eg. Napster.....Sod off Bertelsmann or whatever your name is, You can spend as many millions as you like trying to shut them down, but its already too late... enough have tasted that even if Napster disappears, thousands more are waiting in the wings to step in to the breach. The Snowball to Snowman analogy is true. It takes loads of effort to make a snowman, but you expend 80% in the first few rolls trying to get the snow to gather, but once the ball has enough weight you just have to keep it moving forward, growth will take care of itself. So that's all we need to do, keep this thing moving, keep the debates open, keep raising the issues, keep convincing people that free is good, it's here. Final word has to go to Soren Aabye Kierkegaard "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." I'm climbing off my soapbox now. Sorry again if this is waffle to you all. Best Regards Earl Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: [Alug] A dark day for freedom > > All, > > For those of you who read slashdot will have seen the reference to the > following article. > > http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/intprop/intprop/news/copyri ght.htm#4 > > the way I understand this is that it is now illegal to circumvent copy > protection on media, such as the norwegain student(jon johassan I > think) did last year to the DVD spec. This is a very dark day if I have > understood this right. The big companies are the winners in this case > and it posses a massive threat to linux, under this act, it could be > illegal for us to use DeCSS, and it certainly will be when the DVD > replacement arives. This leaves me with a question, what can we do > about it? our rights are steadily being eroded, the RIP bill etc... yet > these bills are being snuck in very quietly. Can anyone suggest a > course of action to prevent this from continueing? > > Thanks > > D > > __________________________________________________

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

>If you are using any win98 (or MS machines that use encrypted password >authentication), be sure to read the documents that come with samba, I >got caught out by this 'feature' a few months ago ;).. Check out all the help I got on it last month from the alug in the archives - lots of troubleshooting there. (Not that I got it working,but that doesn't mean anything!!!). Good weekend, all, I'm off to the Lakes to see the folks. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I've edited it to show "eth0" in place of dummy0 now. Can I do it like > that? (I'll find out!) That's a good start, I think. > I think I can officially say I am bewildered now. Don't worry. You've just not got your eth0 driver around just yet. Getting warmer, though. > Using ifconfig to try and bring up eth0 shows > eth0: unknown interface: No such device > ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o = 0x300 > Anyone? OK, the io address in that ne options line is wrong, then. At least, the card doesn't answer to 0x300. You can either try to find out what it should be (Did it work in the old OS? Did you note its settings down?), or play around a bit until it works. 0x280, 290, 2a0, 2b0, ... ... 0x330. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Hello All. Thanks for the help. >What does ifconfig -a show? shows "dummy0" and loopback. ># /etc/network/interfaces This not only shows the lo but iface dummy0 inet static...then all the correct IP info I want for the real thing. >So to add a new interface you would add a line to this file like: >iface eth0 inet <hostname-or-ip> I've edited it to show "eth0" in place of dummy0 now. Can I do it like that? (I'll find out!) /modules.conf show many protocols to be loaded for ppp and suchlike, but no mention of eth0. It does have "options ne iox300 irq=10" I've edited in "alias eth0 ne" now just before the above line.. The card is a D-Link DE-220P, which uses the ne driver. (PnP) ifconfig -a still shows dummy0. I think I can officially say I am bewildered now. Using ifconfig to try and bring up eth0 shows eth0: unknown interface: No such device ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o = 0x300 Anyone? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > >dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, > >normally. > Ah. I think I'm getting warm. I assumed "dummy0" was the name Debian gave > to eth0. (First time debian user after Red hat). No, eth0 is a kernel thing. dummy0 is the dummy interface. Your routing table is trying to route over dummy0 when it needs to be over eth0. What does ifconfig -a show? Now I can't remember where this is set up. /etc/networking or similar, I suspect. > I have also been looking for /conf.modules and don't have such a file. ITYM /etc/modules.conf... that other name was deprecated some time ago. -- MJR

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Re: Some good news was Re: [Alug] National Linux Day
by MJ Ray 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Great stuff. As you've suspected and have probably seen from the other list, the disclaimer is totally legally insecure, so we probably ought to come up with our own for the day. Anyone any good with boilerplate legal stuff like this? Anyone know of something we can crib without problems? -- MJR

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modems........ again!
by Christopher Brown 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Ok, I followed the advice and bought a linux modem from scan.......now how do I get suse to recognise it? I have tried yast1+2 with no success, I have been to the suse sight and followed their advice and still no joy...Yast keeps saying turn the modem on! (its on a pci card) please help before I give up and reboot to 98!!!

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

>dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, >normally. Ah. I think I'm getting warm. I assumed "dummy0" was the name Debian gave to eth0. (First time debian user after Red hat). tcpdump is showing (as I just sent to Chris:) "When I ping, pinging my own IP shows echo request and reply using the loopback, but pinging the windows IP shows only an echo request, using dummy0. " I have also been looking for /conf.modules and don't have such a file. I need to look more closely here I think! Thanks. Do post any hints! Jenny.

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Fonts, antialiasing, staroffice
by Chris Allen 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

After a long struggle, I finally have antialiased, truetype fonts working on my KDE2.1 desktop, and truetype fonts both displayed and printing in StarOffice. The results are stunning! I'd be happy to help anybody else who has tried any of the above and found it to be a seemingly impossible task! Chris.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U dummy0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 UG dummy0 (router box IP for this > network) dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, normally. -- MJR

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networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Hullo All, I'm trying to connect my debian box to our windows network (amidst many scowls from the network administrator who doesn't trust all this here linux stuff.) ("Who on earth uses linux?, I mean all that basic command line stuff, it's like going back to DOS...."). We have a few subnetworks connected to router boxes, I am trying only to connect to the immediate subnetwork my work winbox is on, address which is 192.168.11.0. (to start with anyway, heh heh!) I have linux box pinging itself on loopback and 192.168.11.106 (its assigned network IP), also by name (TRX850) but not any of the machines on the network. ifconfig also shows network card to be present and correct. I have netstat -rn showing 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U dummy0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 UG dummy0 (router box IP for this network) /etc/hosts has had all IP addresses and names on the local network edited in, e.g 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.11.106 TRX850/TCL TRX850 192.168.11.102 jenny/TCL jenny /etc/resolv.conf I have left empty /etc/networks has localnet 192.168.11.0 TCL 192.168.11.0 /etc/hosts.conf has order hosts, bind multi on. This is a pretty basic question, I know, and I ought to know this stuff by now, but can anyone look at what I've done and go ...."ahhh, you silly thing, you've....."???? Thanks! Jenny PS David (Akula) did you get my mail about the poster for linuxday?

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Re: National Linux Day
by Mark Ray 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

> * MJ Ray whats the news on the disclaimer? It's on the linuxday.org.uk site and we'll be forwarded those for our region already completed before the day, AIUI. MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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LinuxDay distributions
by Mark Ray 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

I see from David's draft website, the question of distribution has arisen again. In an attempt to avoid the normal discussion being repeated, I'll just point out that we have a large quantity of Mandrake CDs available, Debian is common on campus and there will be a mirror available, but I think having a distribution which installs inside a DOS or Windows partition could be useful. Any suggestions as to which? Peanut? Time to get reading the Mandrake and Debian installation guides... Can we have the "we need this" list from my earlier email on the page too? Thanks, MJR

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iBooks etc, was Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL
by Mark Ray 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

Well, if you want to show versatility, there's the offer of a set-top box which uses Linux as a demonstration. Do you want me to try to arrange for it to be at UEA? Are you on the LinuxDay mailing list? If not, I can try to find the instructions for it. WRT website, we have 10Mbps to the Hive, the disclaimer forms are on the linuxday.org.uk site and I'd rather not have my address posted in the clear for the spam spiders to pick up, please (especially not in my current state). MJR

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Mark Ray 06 Apr '01

06 Apr '01

Well, there's three of us sort-of updating the website, but anyone wanting to be a "website czar" is quite welcome to help and I'll answer questions about the setup of it until the cows come home. Similarly, if a "LinuxDay czar" wants to appoint themselves, I'm sure the veterans will rally round even though we're a bit pushed for time. That said, I'm a bit stuck with doing anything for a few days because of a trip and the death of my computer. I think I've now got email working well enough to read new messages and send emails, but I can't get access to emails from before Tuesday until it's back. Sorry to everyone that affects. This message should tell for sure whether this email works again, I guess. If anyone ever wants a Berkeley-mail-like interface to POP emails (and why would you?), just ask me. MJR

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 06 Apr '01

06 Apr '01

Damnit, I'd better start reading up on IRC quickly, then. I was thinking that if I knew how I would put up a page on the website that is cleverly linked to a simple table, so it can be updated, and folks visit the site over the next few days, update the tables with if they are coming and what they are bringing, and Bob's yr uncle. I'm probably unlikely to learn how to do this in the next few days though, although i enthusiastically printed the few pages of html tags david pointed me to. That's a bit like sending away for a clutch cable thinking I will be able to build a Ducati probably. Jen

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Perhaps the person who is in charge of the web pages could construct a list of who is going, what they are bringing, what job they are doing, then at the bottom have a list of what we still need doing or bringing? List can be updated by said person as members mail him/her saying what they can bring/do? I would be willing if i had the first clue about websites, but this is on my list of "things to learn about". Who does the web pages again? (sorry about the suggestion! If they send me a quick tutorial I will co-ordinate, though).

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Re: Help! - ISP & SuSE
by Corner Paul 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Hi Chris You are currently using tesco.net I see - When you originally signed up, you should have had a confirmation email with all the login details. I had one, but the only thing missing was the phone number. Put the info into the various fields in wvdial setup, and set the mail server identities in your chosen mail reader, and you're away. If you need any specific help accessing tesco.net, email me at home paul.corner(a)tesco.net Regards, Paul. >Christopher Brown: >I am new to Linux and have bought Suse 7 Pro, I have managed to install it >after several headaches and a new graphics card, now I want to hook up to an >isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved, also I >intend on setting up a home network

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Re: [Alug] help!
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

>............I want to hook up to an >isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved.......... Try http://www.uklinux.net Jenny

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by MJ Ray 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

OK, here we go. This thread has come at an opportune moment. --- Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > > PS. Has someone booked a room for Alug for the linux installfest? Yes, it was confirmed today. ALUG's event will be hosted by tsw.org.uk (logo available on request) and take place in the Hive Bar, Union House, UEA Norwich. For those of you who have been to ALUG meetings at Union House, this is the large area opposite reception on the entrance floor. We have it from 1400 to 1830, so I'd suggest a helpers meeting in the small bar downstairs at 1pm, just so we know who we are and what we're doing (and are able to have a (soft?) drink beforehand). > > Do we need to get posters up, advertise on the web, etc? Yes. Yes. > > Get lists of members who can attend and what equipment they can > > bring? Yes. Who is willing to co-ordinate these things? John has done a good job on announcing meetings so far. Is he willing to do it again? I think I've got my hands full with work and trying to organise the bits at UEA. Can we nominate a representative to talk to the linuxday mailing list, too? I'll cc this to them so they know that things are rolling in East Anglia, so make sure your replies only go to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk ;-) David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Sorry for shouting, but we need to sort something out here about > what we are doing. I believe(may be wrong) MJ Ray was booking the > room. has this been done? Yes. The booking went in a while ago, but it is pretty impossible to get them to confirm a room booking for a term before the preceding term has ended, it would seem. Fortunately, our term ended last week. > We need to decide what we are doing in the way of installations. Which > Distro? Debian sounds like the one people have the most exp with. Do we > have a suitable disclaimer written yet? UEA has an infestation of Debian users and I should have spoken with the central computing service about setting up a local Debian mirror before LinuxDay. If they show their usual glacial reaction, I will make a Debian mirror or CD available to the meeting somehow. We should also have Mandrake CDs from LinuxDay's national sponsors, MandrakeSoft, I believe. The disclaimer and national advertising should also be coming from the national co-ordinator at LinuxSure, I think. > Does someone want to coordinate who's bringing and doing what? No, no-one has stood up yet. > And also a list of whats needed? We should have: Room, Chairs, Tables (from Union, via tsw) Network connection, firewall, four-port hub (from tsw) Mandrake CDs (from Mandrake) Debian installation media (from ITCS or UEA School of Maths) Posters and disclaimers (from LinuxSure) WE STILL NEED (at least): More networking cables and hubs More posters (local Linux-supporting companies... free advertising at the day if you're helping, I think!) Volunteer helpers and demonstrators External advertising material People putting up the adverts in their local area What have I forgotten? > Sorry if this sounds blunt and unfriendly but we need to do something > and do it well. I quite agree. Not unfriendly at all. Mould us into an efficient fight^Winstalling force. Or something. -- MJR

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help!
by Christopher Brown 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

I am new to Linux and have bought Suse 7 Pro, I have managed to install it after several headaches and a new graphics card, now I want to hook up to an isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved, also I intend on setting up a home network and firewall so any info would be a great help. When is the next meeting planned for as I seem to have just missed the last one. Is their anyone in the Bury area who would not mind meeting to swap some info? Chris Brown

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mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Hullo, list. Can anyone help? After running xf86config in Debian, typing startx gives "Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory)". On looking, I see /dev/mouse hasn't been created. Can I just create my own (and how? using a text editor ok?), indicating a softlink to /dev/ttyS*? How do i know which /ttyS* it is using? (Typing "cat" for /dev files usually leaves me with a hanging situation, no doubt I am trying to read them the wrong way as they are actually being created on the hoof.) Many thanks. Jen PS. Has someone booked a room for Alug for the linux installfest? Do we need to get posters up, advertise on the web, etc? Get lists of members who can attend and what equipment they can bring? (Sorry if someone is on the case and I've missed it, I feel a Virgo surge coming on..)

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