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by MJ Ray 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Kudos to Jo and Paul for getting this to me. Anyone able to fill in the first bit? Topics discussed include: security, the last meeting, my absence and my photo :P For what it's worth, the wvdial problem is from when they have a terminal server backdoor login on their main dialup line because it's so unstable, but wvdial looks at that and thinks "oh, it's a terminal-style login". I've seen it before on another ISP. And now, the log: <paulr> not as far as I know. what format are they in? not XML per-chance? <futurshox> Alan says try dumping .cdr format and use Corel Draw? <paulr> sounds plausible. <nails> All I know is they're ".vxd" <paulr> heh. <paulr> probably not xml, I suspect. bit too open for a windows program. <nails> wouldn't be like MS to do much useful... <paulr> do they own visio?! * kerin39muk (kerin(a)host213-122-247-192.btinternet.com) has joined channel #alug <nails> They bought them out.. <kerin39muk> hello <nails> hi <miniman> hello <kerin39muk> how did yesterday go <paulr> nails: hurgh. depressing. <paulr> kerin39muk: pretty good from what I can tell.. <kerin39muk> i,m the pain that moaned about getting linux help <paulr> heh <nails> paulr: another one bites the dust.. <futurshox> nails: Applixware might read Visio also <paulr> nails: quite. <paulr> yeah, good point. <nails> futureshox: where can I get hold of that? <futurshox> not sure, but it's a pay thing <nails> found it... bought out by VistaSource <futurshox> Alan sys they're stopping making it though so... *shrug* <miniman> there was a demo on the cover CD of linux magazine at the end of last year <nails> getting take over by Anyware Office <kerin39muk> can i ask how many of you have a firewall <paulr> not here, no... <nails> not at home.... <paulr> I know someone who runs a bigish one though... <futurshox> getting one soon <kerin39muk> do you think you need one for home stuff <nails> I got a copy of Checkpoint FW1 <nails> just haven't had chance to try it on here though.... <miniman> there is a chap from smoothwall on the list <miniman> depends how long your connected to the internet i guess <nails> also depend upon what your data's worth !! <miniman> true <kerin39muk> is it possible to do much damage to a system <nails> very possibile.... but not physical <miniman> there is always the problem of being used to attack someone else <kerin39muk> bad enough for a reinstall <nails> miniman: tell me about it... got a server used as a relay, took ages to sort things out with ORBS!!! <paulr> I must admit I don't bother, but having said that, I don't run any unnecessary daemons, and certainly never run much in way way of unencrypted traffic over this link. <miniman> losing telnet and ftp is a good start, as is keeping up to date with security patches <paulr> yeah. <paulr> it may be worth putting a simple firewall up to make sure that noone outside can open any connections to your machine. <kerin39muk> what get rid of telnet and ftp? * spyder___ (spyder(a)linux.arcanelogic.com) has joined channel #alug <paulr> hi spyder___. <paulr> heh. where do you live? <kerin39muk> acle near norwich * ajs (savs(a)host213-1-65-176.btinternet.com) has joined channel #alug <ajs> hi all <ajs> soz, forgot it was a monday <paulr> hi andrew, fancy seeing you here. <ajs> paulr: do you come here often? <paulr> ajs: did it hurt? * BigJohn is back * ajs slaps paulr with a 4x4 * paulr stops trying to chat his boss uyp. <paulr> hi BJ. <ajs> (the vehicle, not the plank) <paulr> heh. <BigJohn> hi <BigJohn> hi sav <ajs> hey BigJohn. How's life? <BigJohn> not so bad where were you yesterday then? <ajs> in Reading... friend's housewarming party <BigJohn> fair enough <ajs> many people there? <BigJohn> 20 I reckon I've done a write-up MJR has it so it'll be up on the web site soon <ajs> wow... probably one of the busiest ones yet! <BigJohn> best attendance ever for Syleham! <paulr> heh <paulr> that's good news. very good. <BigJohn> we have had better at Lauries hotel and UEA though <miniman> there was a large amount of hardware too <paulr> good. <paulr> When's the next one? <BigJohn> go to go for a bit bedtime story required back soon * BigJohn is away: bedtime story! <kerin39muk> is the next one in k/lynn <paulr> seeya. <ajs> possibly, depends if mark can sort a venue out or not <paulr> yeah. <paulr> what's the URL? need to re-subscribe to the list... <ajs> www.anglian.lug.org.uk <ajs> paulr: or use the list->news gateway on lpp... <paulr> ajs: I have troubles tracking news. * rdc (rdc(a)host213-1-144-45.btinternet.com) has joined channel #alug <rdc> Hi <kerin39muk> hi <nails> hi <paulr> hi rdc. <futurshox> evening <miniman> hi <rdc> How is it collectively hanging? <paulr> heh. vertically, thankfully. <rdc> Good man! * Signoff: spyder___ (Ping timeout for spyder___[linux.arcanelogic.com]) <paulr> how are you? <rdc> Good. <rdc> Toying with Peanut <paulr> what's that? <rdc> A minimal distro. <rdc> I'm trying to ge a hang of networking with a 486 from work. <paulr> heh. <paulr> what kind of networking? <rdc> Indeed my head hurts * paulr appears to have lost his lighter, which is making the lighting of candles troublesome. <rdc> Just to get one box connected to another. * miniman ponders if paulr is creating some kind of romantic meal * ajs points paulr in the direction of the oven <ajs> insert head, etc :-) <paulr> ajs: um. it's electric. <paulr> heh. bitch. <rdc> Rub your knees together. <rdc> generate some friction <ajs> paulr: "ah" * ajs points paulr in the direction of the petrol station <paulr> heh. <ajs> (trail a line of petrol from oven to candle :-) <paulr> heh. <rdc> light blue toch paper and retire <paulr> ahh. found it. bloody thing had fallen down the side of the freezer. <futurshox> you never get power cuts that you don't have a box of matches on permanent standby? * paulr decides to watch When Harry Met Sally, after all. <paulr> (still working, therefore devoting a laptop to playing DVD != a good idea. <miniman> you mean you only have one laptop ;-) <paulr> futurshox: hah! At home proper, the power goes out approximately six to twenty times a week. You learn to see in the dark instead ;) <paulr> miniman: hehe. sadly. <futurshox> heh! <kerin39muk> well, i,m off thanx for the advice, and would you mind if i joined you again some time <paulr> of course not! <paulr> kerin39muk: that's what we're here for -- sorry I'm not being more helpful, to be honest... * Signoff: BigJohn (Ping timeout for BigJohn[modem-381.swallow.dialup.pol.co.uk]) * Signoff: nails (nails) <kerin39muk> i'll try not to be pain with questions , (rifys) i know <kerin39muk> why does that report a ping time out <miniman> his bt phone line disconnected <rdc> That old chesnut! <kerin39muk> oh tell me about it mines about to do the same <kerin39muk> cya * kerin39muk has left channel #alug <paulr> heh. <paulr> mine is playing silly buggers too. I got the last four minutes in three seconds. <futurshox> me too <rdc> Signing off 'till next week. Keep it clean guys and gals. <rdc> Ignore that <paulr> rdc: spoilsport. <paulr> ngiht. <rdc> I can't connect using wvdial but kppp works fine any ideas? <futurshox> you get any error messages/ <rdc> Being more specific. Using wvdial to connect to BT I get a load of legal guff and no connection. <rdc> but kppp copes well and works. <futurshox> hmm, dunno- have you played with the password option in wvdial.conf? or the other esoteric options? <rdc> Using wvdial, which always used to work, i now get a message from the BT server telling me lots of legal stuff <rdc> Wvdial then starts pppd hopimg for the best. <paulr> what kind of legal stuff? <rdc> Connecting to a BT system, only to procede if I have the proper permissions etc <rdc> Also some thing about the service migrating....? <paulr> is that the BT quiv of a 'you typed the wrong password, fuckwit'? * BigJohn (bj(a)modem-37.fu-manchu-lion-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined channel #alug <paulr> hi again BJ. <rdc> I use the same settings in kppp <rdc> I'd rather use wvdial <BigJohn> hi <miniman> BigJohn: did the identify work properly that time? * BigJohn finished reading about Harry Potter <BigJohn> miniman:yes no probs except eu.openproject.net was server not found a couple of times for some reason?? <paulr> BigJohn: reading about, or reading? <rdc> Signing off for real this time. <BigJohn> no reading to my middle daughter * ajs has left channel #alug <paulr> heh. * rdc has left channel #alug <BigJohn> has xeno42 been about tonight? <paulr> err. very early, I think * paulr checks the log. <futurshox> he's still on according to my system <miniman> his machine is on but he has gone out <BigJohn> yes I know he is still on but is he in the land of the living? <paulr> grr. my logging is fucked. <paulr> dare I ask how he got his name? <BigJohn> I s'pose its down to you to post the log to the list tonight eh? <paulr> not likely to happen. it seems to be fucked. <paulr> it was though, yes. <BigJohn> miniman: you logging? <miniman> not tonight :-( <paulr> but unless you want a shedload of private conversations, a missing chunk, and a load of control characters.. <BigJohn> MJR will be pissed :) <paulr> no, I suspect he'll be asleap. <BigJohn> no sorry ment he'll be pissed off about the lack of log <paulr> and it's kinda not my fault. bloody script authors. <futurshox> I've got everything from Visio onwards. I'd have more if I hadn't crashed <BigJohn> fair nuff <paulr> BigJohn: I know. sorry, I'm a fecitious swine. <paulr> futurshox: if you could lob it to the list, I'd be grateful. <futurshox> OK, will do <BigJohn> paulr: let you off this time :) <paulr> BigJohn: heh. <futurshox> It's just the public stuff- I don't have (and would assume it was inappropriate!) to post private stuff <BigJohn> did you see my post to the list AULG Members page? <paulr> indeed it is -- htat being the problem. <paulr> (private stuff was on other servers, which is why I'm kinda pissed off it ended up in the logs. <futurshox> does someone want to vet this first? I've just done copy and paste...!! <BigJohn> Paul? Jon? want to do the honours <paulr> err. can do. lob it at paul(a)luminas.co.uk? <paulr> what does it need vetting for? <futurshox> er... so I don't wind up looking a complete fool on a new mailing list! ;) <paulr> heh. <paulr> lob it at me, I'll check it, and forward it with an attrib. <paulr> what was your real name again? <futurshox> ok, thanks! <futurshox> Jo * paulr hates this 'on IRC we don't use real names' shit. <paulr> futurshox: okay, cool. I'm Paul Russell. <futurshox> where do you want the log up to? <miniman> BigJohn: re: members page - i'm okay with the nick and distro and stuff * futurshox is still copying and pasiting <paulr> whereever, to be honest. <miniman> BigJohn: but i'm not so sure that the www is ready for my mug shot ;-) <paulr> put it this way, if you get bored copying and pasting, people will probably get bored reaading it ;) <futurshox> good point! * futurshox makes mental note to find out about scripting on irc <paulr> heh <BigJohn> miniman: you think you got problems you seen MJR's mug shot on his home page, who is that 13 year old? :-) <paulr> heh. <miniman> whats the URL? <paulr> notice there are *no* photos of me *anywhere* online. <miniman> that you know of ;-) <BigJohn> www.cloaked.freeserve.net <BigJohn> paulr: what about the first ALUG write up that Tats did I think we saw the back of you head * BigJohn is away: making more tea <miniman> i'm off, catch you later <futurshox> later <paulr> bye bye both. * Signoff: miniman (time for bed ) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] AULG Members page
by MJ Ray 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)easynet.co.uk> writes: > Can somone refresh my memory, there was some talk about registering "nicks", > well any chance of that being posted for those of us who are new to IRC ??? Get on IRC and "/msg nickserv help" (ie message nickserv the single word "help")... it should then tell you all about it. Where's that IRC guide when you need it? ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Should have come by boat...
by MJ Ray 06 Feb '01

06 Feb '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)zeus.com> writes: > how did the meeting go? what was the attendance like? and are there any > photos available? Good; 20+; don't think so. ;-) ["And this is a shot of us all in the dark after the power failed for the second time..."] -- MJR

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Should have come by boat...
by Chris Allen 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

... but it was a great meeting, and good to put faces to the names, even though I've forgotten most of them already... Perhaps a mugshot repository on the web site might help! Looking forward to the next one. Chris. [I was the one wandering round aimlessly with a small vaio laptop]

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Introdution
by Mick Forder 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

Hi All My name is Mick and I have just arrived in England. I am living in Essex at the moment and I am looking for information about Linux users in the country. My main field is in software development but as I have always had somone to sort out the Linux and Unix for me, I'm having to educate myself very quickly. Thanks Mick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Re: [Alug] Should have come by boat...
by Chris Allen 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

At 09:36 05/02/01 , you wrote: >How was the biscuit supply? :-) So there were *biscuits* !! well they were carefully hidden! >Sorry not to have made it. I did almost get Samba going last night though. >In linux, the test smb.conf I did works fine, but windows says the network >is unavailable when I have a look in Network Neighbourhood. Telnet, ping >are fine so it isn't the networking. I suspect it may be the netbios name >in linux? I get an error on boot in linux to do with setting the >hostname, although it goes on to name the computer "mossey". Can the linux machine mount its own smb export? That's always a good start... Another common problem is that Windows98 has a default for sending non-plaintext passwords, so you can't get into the linux machine once you have found it. This can be fixed by installing the tweak from the Win98 cdrom in \tools\mtsutil\ptxt_on.inf If you are still stuck, send me an email and I'd be happy to help.. >Did many folk show up? >Jenny. (from Burwell, Jo) Enough to blow the main trip switch a couple of times in quick succession, giving our fsck utilities a good work-out... (about 15 ish at a rough guess...)

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Re: [Alug] Should have come by boat...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

Chris, thanks. I'll have a look at the win98 tonight, see what the password thing is defaulted to and try and change it. I think linux machine is mounting its own export....I made a test config file, entered the command smbclient -U% -L localhost and Samba showed my test file. (The O'Reilly book assures me this means it is working). Jen

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Re: [Alug] Should have come by boat...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

>This is bad. When you said "biscuit supply" I thought PC/104 switched mode for embedded linux devices... That is what I meant, of course! The chocolate topped ones.

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Re: [Alug] Should have come by boat...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

How was the biscuit supply? :-) Sorry not to have made it. I did almost get Samba going last night though. In linux, the test smb.conf I did works fine, but windows says the network is unavailable when I have a look in Network Neighbourhood. Telnet, ping are fine so it isn't the networking. I suspect it may be the netbios name in linux? I get an error on boot in linux to do with setting the hostname, although it goes on to name the computer "mossey". Did many folk show up? Jenny. (from Burwell, Jo)

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LaTeX/XML
by d.casal 05 Feb '01

05 Feb '01

|You have two routes to go from there that I can see. One, which will |probably get you polished documents with less hacking for now is |LaTeX. The other is some sort of XML markup and formatting tools, but |they're Not All There Yet. (anonymous coward ALUG reader getting to grips) I've running a loopback host configuration of Cocoon (apache.org/XML) for testing purposes, we're about to try installing it on UEA Music servers, to dispatch Humanities XML Group content. So far, it seems to do exactly what it says on the can. Fiddly bits: the Java Servlets (running Tomcat for now) and getting around XSL. It seems to me, though, that for a no-programming (other than bits of XML) solution, it's really well put together... Could use some advice on what other (maybe more elegant, even less conf needed) solutions to text/XHTML/XML content delivery there might be around... cheers, d ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- david casal +44 (0) 1603-613607 | d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk http://www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------\

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Re: [Alug] Nice to see you, to see you nice!
by MJ Ray 04 Feb '01

04 Feb '01

Peter Onion <Peter.Onion(a)btinternet.com> writes: > I'm sorry, but I can't remember most of the names , but I'm sure I'll > recognise the faces next time ! Following from a suggestion, I'm compiling an index of homepages and projects for the website. If people would be so kind as to email me or the list with their homepage address, I'll get to it soon. Or tell me in IRC tomorrow evening. I'd also best finally go kick my site back into shape. -- MJR

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Nice to see you, to see you nice!
by Peter Onion 04 Feb '01

04 Feb '01

Atlast I made it to a ALUG meeting ! Mind you, the weather nearly put me off. The last few miles was quite exciting with all the water running off the fields across the roads ! I'm sorry, but I can't remember most of the names , but I'm sure I'll recognise the faces next time ! Peter Onion.

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Syleham meeting
by John Woodard 04 Feb '01

04 Feb '01

Just incase any of you who haven't been to Syleham before get lost here is my mobile number: 07947 431685 Cheers, BJ

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Good news
by David Freeman 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Can anyone recommend a good news server which is free to access? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Meeting
by David Freeman 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Looks like I wont be able to make it tomorrow (can't get any transport). Hopefully come to the next one. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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meeting
by Syd Hancock 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Sorry I won'r be there (wrong country) but hopefully another time. Have fun Syd

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Transport North
by MJ Ray 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

It looks like I'm going to Syleham from King's Lynn via Norwich (because of the inclement weather) and will have at least one free space in my car. Anyone wanting to occupy it, please email quick. -- MJR

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Transport
by David Freeman 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Is there anyone going on sunday from the ipswich area? I would like to come but I can't drive. Can anyone give me a lift please? Thanks D PS I currently live in Kesgrave. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Meeting - Unable to come
by Steve Fosdick 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Sorry Guys, Having said that I would come to the meeting this weekend and bring some equipment along I find that I can't because I will be in Derbyshire. I hope the meeting goes well and that wel will get a chance to meet in March before Linux day is upon us. Steve.

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Dare I mention lynx. I use this for most of my web surfing at home and > it does everything I need, and being that you don't get all the look > and feel c**p, its very very fast. Like lynx. Love w3m. > I'm get get laughed at for this but I use vi with html to generate my > documents. I am also trying to get to grips with Latex. The reason for > using Vi and HTML is HTML is pretty standard for use at > home/college/work. You have two routes to go from there that I can see. One, which will probably get you polished documents with less hacking for now is LaTeX. The other is some sort of XML markup and formatting tools, but they're Not All There Yet. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: alug digest, Vol 1 #139 - 10 msgs
by MJ Ray 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk writes: > I can see it on here: > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ > There are two listings for the next meeting. The second one says 2000. > Also in here, on the page itself: > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting5.html No, there's a page for a meeting from Feb 2000, then a gap where we need to fill in some missing meetings, then the upcoming meeting. If anyone wants to fill in the missing meetings, please get in touch. I'll probably move past meetings to an "old meetings" page RSN. -- MJR

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Linux (on MY desktop)
by Nico Morgan 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

First things first: I'm just outside Newmarket in a village called Wickhambrook (for the record I'm a very new subscriber to alug) I have just started a new job where, like Adam (nice web server by the way!), we can pretty much choose between W2k (spit) and something GNU. I installed Mandrake 7.2 ans then a raft of upgrades and it now works beautifully... I work out my desktop tasks as follows:- Browsing: Exclusively Mozilla (0.7 at present) except when Konqueror gets used by some legacy K application (like K-mail - anyone know how to stop this?) I don't find Moz too slow at all but it's lack of a Quicktime plug-in is a pain... Email: K-mail is good and getting even better (IMHO). Handles HTML when I want it too, gives me th power to add MIME headers to things when I have to send HTML and has a simple but effective filtering system. Usenet news: Got a bit clever with this (you can tell I'm still a Linux newbie) and setup Leafnode via crontab to collect my news at certain fixed times when the bandwidth is available and then Knode or Pan to read it. Office Apps: Star Office 5.2. Yes it's slow to start up (I'm sure that's 'cause I installed the lot - it's great having 90Gb of storage!!) but does the job. Try to use Gnome or K Office stuff if I can for speed. The other rather nice thing is that my box gets the usual worm/script virii in my mailbox and laughs at it, unlike some of my colleagues who are still suffering!! he he regards all Nico -- _________________________________________________________________________ Nico Morgan : (home) http://www.nicomorgan.com Clickstream Technologies PLC : nico(a)nicomorgan.com The Old Granary : (work) http://www.clickstream.net Westwick : nico.morgan(a)clickstream.net Cambridge CB4 5AR : ICQ: 103427004

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Re: alug digest, Vol 1 #139 - 10 msgs
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

> From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: 31 Jan 2001 20:58:27 +0000 > > "Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > > > Don't mean to be picky here, but on the alug website it says that the next > > meeting in in the year 2000 ?? I know it was a leap year but.... > > What page does it say that on, please? Both > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting6.html and > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ say 2001 and I can't find it > with grep.... > I can see it on here: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ There are two listings for the next meeting. The second one says 2000. Also in here, on the page itself: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting5.html jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > You rcould try the Koffice suite, I've just downloaded the Kword and Ksheet > had a quick look and they look pretty good. The beauty is that they both > read M$ format docs.. Oh, I forgot this. I usually read Word docs through antiword and Excel via xls2csv, although having the apps around which can read/edit them better is also handy sometimes. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Thom May <thom(a)clearairturbulence.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Evolution (does HTML), Mutt(does HTML - in a way :) ), > Gnus(dunno bout html), Balsa, etc Gnus passes html to w3 for rendering (the Emacs HTML engine), or does it mutty-style, passing it to an external program. -- MJR

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