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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Chris Allen <chris(a)cjx.com> writes: > Browsing the web: > Netscape - Soooo slow.. Netscape is OK unless you have tables in tables in tables... etc. Mozilla seems to be better, but still not quite ready for prime-time. > Email: > Sylpheed is the only program I have found that comes close to Eudora [...] > Usenet news: > PAN - not as polished as Agent but no real complaints here I'm using XEmacs/Gnus with the gnus-agent feature to read both my email and news. I do the same on both my home and office machines (although the office one isn't agentised, as it's on a permanent connection), with roles, filtering, adaptive scoring, virtual groups, etc, and it just leaves anything else trailing in the dust. The price you pay for that is extensive configuration is needed to make the extensive configurability work for you. (However, I am a lisp/scheme fan, so it's not bad for me.) > Office Apps: > Star Office? - So slow even on a 500Mhz PIII that it makes windows > look fast. StarOffice is memory-hungry, I believe. I use the Gnome Office combination of AbiWord (still beta, but 90% there now) for quick letters and Gnumeric for spreadsheets, but I'm not that intensive a user of either (as my papers are in LaTeX and number crunching in R or XLisp). > What do you all use for your main desktop machine? And are you > productive with it? As you can guess for the above, both of my desktop machines run Linux and I'm fairly productive with it. (cue sarky comments from others) > [...] less productive on a Linux desktop machine because > I am for ever hacking, updating and fixing things instead of getting > on with my work! Oh yes, you have to get something that works, set it up right and then try to leave it alone rather than "improve" forever, as you can with Linux. With closed OSes (eg MacOS that we have at work), you don't have the option of doing that. > p.s. Anyone else from around Leiston here? I had to look it up on the map... -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Picky ?!!!
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > Don't mean to be picky here, but on the alug website it says that the next > meeting in in the year 2000 ?? I know it was a leap year but.... What page does it say that on, please? Both http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting6.html and http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ say 2001 and I can't find it with grep.... -- MJR

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Re: hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:56:44 +0000 > > Greetings, Jo, > I was looking forward to Sunday (I was going to bring my laptop and hope > that some genius could casually type in a few commands here and there and > get the pc card and networking going that I gave up on weeks ago) (I also > had this idea that we would be eating a lot of biscuits and drinking a lot > of coffee which is always a pleasant thought) but I can't make that date. > Enjoy. > Jenny. > Whereabouts S of Camb are you from? Hi, I'll eat plenty of biscuits for you, then ;) We're in Balsham- are you nearby? Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Test Alug Site
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Q: Why is the ALUG website like a bus? "Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. A: You spend months waiting for one, then two come along at once. -- MJR

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Test Alug Site
by Martyn Drake 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi folks, I'm shortly about to try a test web site out at http://test.alug.org.uk using the thatware.org system. For those that haven't seen thatware, it's simply a Slashdot (or PHP-Nuke) like system for posting news articles. With a series of admins, we will be able to publish announcements and venue information easily. The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. Regards, Martyn

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Sony Vaio PCMCIA cd-rom drive
by Adam Bower 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi People, Does anyone have one of the above? as I have had my vaio with transmeta processor for a few months now and havn't got around to installing linux (no netboot, no cd-rom drive, no floppy drive, and loadlin doesn't work grrr..). I have tried loadlin and the kernel does not come up!? and using a USB floppy is ok but I havn't now got the floppy drive as it was borrowed and I would need to make new boot disks with USB floppy support (which is a pain). also I have been ill for the past week so may not make it on Sunday, and almost certainly won't have new Debian cd's. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

--- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Cheers, > Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. No probs > WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy > for a > few weeks ;-) > I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw > yet so > I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance > to > play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for > SourceNavigator, > Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. > I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not > does > anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, > modem)? > Cheers > Earl Remind me on friday and I'll try and bring a spare network card you can use during the meet, or alterantively get hold of a serial cable and use slip. Thanks D > On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Cheers, Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy for a few weeks ;-) I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw yet so I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance to play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for SourceNavigator, Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not does anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, modem)? Cheers Earl On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman [SMTP:david_freeman@rocketmail.com] wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D >

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Bad practice to reply to your own posts but also have a look at [http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net] - good guide to network programming http://www.cis.udel.edu/~totten/vi/ for using VI. I also have a useful link if I can find the bookmark, mail me direct if you want it. Thanks D --- David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple > one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D > > --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi again. > > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do > a > > bit of > > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming > on > > Linux > > in C/C++. > > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > > but... > > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > > habits with > > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > > switches > > etc). > > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > > generating > > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > > man/info > > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the > dark. > > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > > stuff, > > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > > out > > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least > some > > of the > > nitty gritty? > > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > > something. > > Anything. > > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but > couldn't > > see > > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would > rather > > not > > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when > setting > > up > > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > > you use > > to create the files which become makefiles? > > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > > Cheers > > Earl > > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see > yer > > there. > > > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy > to > > be > > broken." > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Mail app
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

All, My web mail account is overits sizelimit. I need a small program for linux which will download the entire contents of a pop3 mail account to a ASCII text file, the program needs to be very simple to configure. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I Can only recommend the book Programming with GNU Software Mike Loukides and Andy Oram O'reilly ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the CVS system. Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one for you) HTH Thanks D --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Hi again. > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do a > bit of > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming on > Linux > in C/C++. > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > but... > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > habits with > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > switches > etc). > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > generating > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > man/info > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the dark. > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > stuff, > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some > of the > nitty gritty? > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > something. > Anything. > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't > see > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would rather > not > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when setting > up > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > you use > to create the files which become makefiles? > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > Cheers > Earl > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see yer > there. > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to > be > broken." __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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ANyone need a lift - Sunday
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi again, JIC anyone needs it - I'll be driving from Gazeley Nr Newmarket on Sunday - I'll gladly pick anyone up on-route (or even reasonably off-route) Lemme know. You can email me direct Regs Earl "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to be broken." - Warren Buffet Earl Brannigan Linden House Software LTD Linden House Gazeley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 8RD Tel : 01638 750780 Mobile : 07940 280492 Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I'm by no means an expert on this, but here are a couple of pointers from things I've heard of. I hope others can offer more. Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some of the > nitty gritty? For X, http://sources.redhat.com/sourcenav/ For console, http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~sho/rho/rhide-1.4/rhide-linux.html Or you could just learn (X)Emacs... > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't see You almost certainly don't want those just yet. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > I am considering just going straight for the 2.4 kernel, maybe that would be > a bit less painful? Depends if you need things from 2.4 or if you need things to work (I hear IR is broken in 2.4 -- fixed yet?) wbh: > > So, recompile that kernel image with less in/more as modules/ using "make > > bzImage" to get better compression. I think this is the key advice. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > BUT, on reboot I got a Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs oon 08:07 > :o((( Are you sure you've got all the essential booting parts compiled in (eg ext2 filesystem support) rather than as a module? It can't load modules until the fs is up. Anyway, if it's still broken at the weekend, bring it along... -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] hello
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Greetings, Jo, I was looking forward to Sunday (I was going to bring my laptop and hope that some genius could casually type in a few commands here and there and get the pc card and networking going that I gave up on weeks ago) (I also had this idea that we would be eating a lot of biscuits and drinking a lot of coffee which is always a pleasant thought) but I can't make that date. Enjoy. Jenny. Whereabouts S of Camb are you from?

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ALUG-IRC 29 Jan
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Sorry, I was a bit slow starting the log this week. If anyone wants to fill in the early bit, please do. Not *that* much to report... <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease Hooray for wiggis making his first meeting... so who else is going to make this Sunday's meeting? IRC log started Mon Jan 29 20:12:36 2001 <miniman> BigJohn: have a look at http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/1998-Jan/0059.html <BigJohn> ok <ashley> slef: Yes * louisd (louisd(a)host62-7-80-62.btinternet.com) has joined #alug <BigJohn> miniman:oic <slef> ashley: let me just set you up an account... can you msg me a crypt'd password (perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"') <louisd> Hi, any sign of rdc yet? <slef> louisd: not yet, I think <miniman> BigJohn: there may be a replacement <BigJohn> miniman: updated mini how-to at the ldp site <miniman> ah <louisd> Hi slef, I got the Solaris install in the post last week. I have yet to summon up the courage to install it. <BigJohn> haven't read it yet though * wiggis (mark(a)m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com) has joined #alug <wiggis> Hi <slef> louisd: I'm now running our Solaris boxes... if you find any good resources, please let me know ;) <BigJohn> miniman: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Linux+WinNT.html <slef> wiggis: hello <slef> ashley: you still alive? <BigJohn> evening wiggis and louisd <wiggis> So what's happening out in the Fens then? * ashley has signed off (Ping timeout for ashley[userkb57.uk.uudial.com]) <slef> louisd: and it would seem "killall" on the alphas is as destructive as on Solaris... I nearly did that to them today without thinking. <louisd> slef: One of our systems chaps tried to install it but it grumbled about his AGP video card. <slef> wiggis: wouldn't know... only got home an hour ago. <slef> wiggis: and it's too damn foggy to see outside <louisd> Hi BigJohn <wiggis> I'm in Peterborough <wiggis> Really nasty night here 2 <slef> louisd: oh yeah... solaris x86's hardware support is poorer than BSD's is poorer than Linux's <BigJohn> so who is coming on Sunday then? <slef> BigJohn: I will be <wiggis> Can't make it - just toooo busy <slef> I *think* I'm going via Norwich to pick up 2 or 3 others, but that's a damn irritation <slef> wiggis: do PLUG do anything still? <BigJohn> slef: I took that as read <louisd> slef: looks like I'll have to get an old PCI card to stick in while I muck about with it. <BigJohn> wiggis: shame <wiggis> So what's this about Solaris? Is is really *that* crap on x86? * ashley (ash(a)userhq05.uk.uudial.com) has joined #alug <ashley> back again - bloody dialup! <slef> wiggis: yes. It's crap on Suns too. <miniman> i'll be comming along sunday too <louisd> Heh! <wiggis> Was thinking about getting a copy (77 quid) <slef> ashley: needless to say, I didn't get your msg. <wiggis> Am running loads of RedHat 6.2 servers at the mo. <ashley> slef: can you repeat the command to create an encrypted password <wiggis> Apart from the odd glitch - they're very well behaved <louisd> wiggis: I got my install for �57 <wiggis> :-O <slef> perl -e 'print crypt("password","2chars")."\n"' I think... use 2 random chars where it says <louisd> wiggis: Mind you, I got stung on the carriage. <slef> wiggis: care to tell me where so I can send them Ramen? ;-) <slef> Seriously, did anyone see that thing? <ashley> slef: Password is - ef0Rp65zbmLlM <wiggis> I think I'll leave Solaris 4 the mo.. <g> <wiggis> 2 much 2 do <slef> ashley: don't paste it in channel... <BigJohn> slef: I'm sending you my crypted pass now so I can do the write up on the meeting (if I get time) <slef> BigJohn: ok <wiggis> Got to go... Have to cook dinner - I actually remembered the chat for once <-List Lurker <slef> wiggis: good to see you... I need to cook too <wiggis> <- May delurk sometime soon <g> <wiggis> Bye folks! * wiggis has signed off (Read error to wiggis[m503-mp1-cvx2c.bre.ntl.com]: Connection reset by peer) <slef> coo, abrupt disconnect <miniman> so it's 1400hrs sunday <miniman> the meeting that is <slef> yeah... you've been there before, haven't you? <louisd> How often are the meetings? <slef> louisd: we aim for monthly, but don't manage it <louisd> I'd like to come along to one as soon as I've moved up there. <slef> louisd: when are you moving? <BigJohn> louisd: where are you now then? <louisd> mid-end of April. Perhaps sooner if I find a job. <louisd> I'm in Guernsey. <BigJohn> bit too much of a swim to come to alug meets at the mo then <louisd> Even with a good covering of goose grease <BigJohn> hehe * jmkg (jg(a)jmkg.net) has joined #alug <slef> ohhhh, this is going to look good in the write-up! <slef> Topics discussed included cvs, solaris and goose grease <BigJohn> jkmg: now how did I know you were on your way over here:) <slef> lo jg <jmkg> heh * jmkg thanks BigJohn for the subtle poke [#alug] * slef reckons ashley has died again * miniman doesn't want to know about jmkg personal life ;-) [#alug] <ashley> I'm still here <jmkg> miniman: probably wise * BigJohn nothing subtle about my poking! :-) [#alug] <miniman> heh <slef> BigJohn: now why do you think we wanted to know that either? <BigJohn> hohoho... <slef> from inside the meetings dir do: cvs add -m 'Adding next meeting' filename.xml <slef> ww <BigJohn> jmkg: you coming on Sunday? <jmkg> hrm <jmkg> I guess that means I have to read my mail then <BigJohn> ALUG meeting at Syleham 2:00pm <slef> BigJohn: I'll drop you the access instructions later (as soon as I've written them), OK? <slef> jmkg: you could just read comp.os.linux.announce ;-) <jmkg> hmm, any transport from Norwich available? <slef> right, I need to go cook things... look forward to seeing you at Syleham and you'll hear from me later ;-) <BigJohn> slef: cheers I'll see what I can do then <slef> jmkg: possibly... depends how many others are going... five people, one car :/ <jmkg> heh <slef> jmkg: jg(a)linuxnewbie.com? <jmkg> I'll climb on the roofrack <jmkg> can do, or jg(a)jmkg.net <BigJohn> no make brett sit on the roof <jmkg> latter easier to type <jmkg> hrem <BigJohn> hehe <jmkg> anyone know anything about digital tv? Is it possible to hack something to make a normal tv tuner card pick it up and maybe even decode it> <slef> jmkg: but harder to remember <slef> right, see you all later <jmkg> bbiaf -- MJR

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hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi, I've been lurking on this list for a couple of weeks and thought it might be time to introduce myself... Been using Linux for a few years, currently living just south of Cambridge with my boyfriend who has been a Linux junkie since way back... Anyway, we're thinking of coming along this weekend if no-one has any wild objections? Maybe see you there! Regards, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Reminder: ALUG-IRC at 8...
by MJ Ray 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

As ever, ALUG-IRC will be on eu.openprojects.net 8001 #alug at 2000 UK time today (ie 40 minutes). Full instructions on how to connect are still not written, so try irc.themes.org, irchelp.org or the poor paragraph on the ALUG site. Sorry about the lateness of this reminder -- anyone want to cron one? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by Simon Parkes 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Ok Bill, thanks for that, but.... I'm getting the memory error message when running lilo -v, so can I assume that it checks to see how much memory is/will be used by the new kernel.. Also I installed via and RPM if that makes any difference.. I am considering just going straight for the 2.4 kernel, maybe that would be a bit less painful? Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: wbh <W.B.Hill(a)uea.ac.uk> To: Simon Parkes <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Alug] RH Kernel Upgrade problems... > OK, my guesses. When an x86 PC boots, the BIOS doesn't leave it in > protected mode (in order for DOS to work, don'tcha love it!) So only the > first Meg of memory is available. The linux kernel's gotta fit into this, > before it can switch from real mode. So, the kernel image is too big. > > >Added linux > Boot image: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 is too big <----- what have I done wrong > > > > ##### Here's my lilo.conf ###### > > <SNIP> > > > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 > > This is a compressed image, so seems to have worked. > > > label=linux > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > > > image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 > > This isn't, and is apparently too big. > > > label=linux16 > > initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img > > read-only > > root=/dev/sda7 > > So, recompile that kernel image with less in/more as modules/ using "make > bzImage" to get better compression. > > TTFN, > Bill > >

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RH Kernel Upgrade problems...
by Simon Parkes 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi everyone... Hoping that somone can shed a bit of light on a problem I'm having.. I have installed all the necessary rpm's (I think), yet after editing the lilo.conf and running lilo -v I'm getting a strange error message telling me that it's too big !!! (See below) The output from free is ... total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 257676 47808 209868 11668 5412 26944 -/+ buffers/cache: 15452 242224 Swap: 207984 0 207984 If it at all helps, the hardware is an IBM Netfinity 4500, Single Proc, 256MB RAM, Hardware RAID5 using the IBM Servraid 4L adapter. ##### Output from "lilo -v" ###### LILO version 21, Copyright 1992-1998 Werner Almesberger Reading boot sector from /dev/sda Merging with /boot/boot.b Boot image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 Mapping RAM disk /boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img Added linux Boot image: /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 is too big <----- what have I done wrong ##### Here's my lilo.conf ###### boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 linear default=linux16 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0 label=linux initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.14-5.0.img read-only root=/dev/sda7 image=/boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-3 label=linux16 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.16-3.img read-only root=/dev/sda7 TIA Simon P.S. I'll be bringing this machine along to the next ALUG meet.. An organization is like a tree full of monkeys, all on different limbs at different levels, some climbing up, some fooling around and some simply just idling.... The monkeys on top looks down and see a tree full of smiling faces.... The monkeys on the bottom look up and see nothing but assholes...

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Something hiding on my system - anyone have any ideas
by MJ Ray 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Wrong address used. alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk is the list address. Message-ID: <01C0877D.F7100D60.earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> From: Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> To: "'alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk'" <alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Subject: Something hiding on my system - anyone have any ideas Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:54:24 -0000 Hi all, New around here, been following the posts for a few weeks - Hoping to make it to Syleham and do the intros there. Anyways - anybody come across this before : Last night I tried to log on to my box and no joy - wouldn't accept any passwords!] OK so I did a quick re-boot and fix with the installation disk (I'm running Red-hat 6.2)- log in and get the message "You have mail". So I open the mail to find a send failure, redirected to root@localhost. Then I scan the message to find the contents of my /etc/shadow file nicely included in the body of the mail! - together with some TCP info (ip address etc) OK So it seems I got Trojaned. OK OK So I should have tripwire or AIDE installed.... I haven't cleaned the box yet - gonna be a major prob to do that. Is anyone aware of any known trojans with this behaviour. The key - I think - is the sendto address on the mail : mmteam(a)techemail.criticalpath.net Ring any bells?? (BTW please feel free to pass this mail on to any buds who may be interested). I haven't checked the email address yet, I was thinking of rewriting the encrypted password entries to render tham useless then sending the mail, or just sending a blank email to see if it bounces (ie. they've moved on) or if not then the only reason I know about this is the fact that my sendmail is not set up at all. Just goes to show - I have been a naughty boy recently and downloaded tons of stuff from FTP Sites all over the place but I think I could narrow the suspect packages down to about 5 or 6 if pushed. Cheers Hope to see you all at Syleham. Cheers Earl "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Alva Edison -- MJR

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Linux Weekly, free subscription
by laurie.brown＠idl-bt.com 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Folks, I received this today, took a look, and subscribed. Posted here in case anyone else wants a look-see. Cheers, Laurie. ---- cut here ---- *** LIMITED TIME OFFER FOR A FREE SUBSCRIPTION OFFER TO LINUX WEEKLY *** http://www.sys-con.com/linux/subscribe.cfm *** Referred to you by: xxx(a)xxx.co.uk Dear Xxxx, Be one of the first IT professionals to receive a FREE subscription to Linux Weekly, the newest title produced by SYS-CON Media. Published twice a month - more than any other Linux publication - LW will provide you with the most up to date information from the Linux community. With Linux Weekly you'll find out about the latest news and developments in L-technology. Read about the latest applications and the newest products on the market. With its in-depth mix of industry news, technical solutions, insight and analysis, written by both fresh new voices and seasoned gurus of the Linux world, LW will give you the edge you need to stay on top in the IT world. And you'll read it here first! No other Linux publication can offer you all this information - twice a month - and FREE OF CHARGE! This free subscription offer expires January 31, 2001 or when we fill our quota for complimentary subscriptions. After that, it will be available for $52 for one year. So sign up today since the number of FREE subscriptions we are giving away is very, very limited! Linux Weekly is published by SYS-CON Media, the leading i-technology publisher in the magazine world, publishers of Java Developer's Journal and XML Journal and Wireless Business & Technology. P.S. - All of our readers in the United States will receive both print and online copies of WBT. All of our international readers will receive our digital edition.

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[Various] Digested Articles
by MJ Ray 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Today's spam for you. It's also been said that I should encourage you all to register with the Linux Counter at http://counter.li.org/ if you haven't already. Topics: [OPN-Content]List is open. Press release, first annoucerment. Discussion may beginn. Thank you. MontaVista Software opening engineering department in UK. Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:13:13 +0100 From: Darian Lanx <bio(a)gmx.net> To: content(a)lists.openprojects.net Subject: [OPN-Content]List is open. Press release, first annoucerment. Discussion may beginn. Thank you. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Vienna 24th January 2001. On behalf of Rob Levin, OPN owner, and Darian Lanx, OPN #content project leader, the following announcement is released for public discussion. Please note, that you can review the rules for posting to this list following this link: http://lists.openprojects.net/pipermail/content/2001-January/000010.html All times given on this list should default to UTC+/-0. Please make sure you have looked up how your time zone is relative to UTC. If there are pending meetings, they will be announced in UTC. Any other given times, which carry no suffix are assumed to be UTC. For those who cannot access Mail at all times, this mailing list is mirrored on our news server. Please point your news reader to leguin.org.uk and subscribe to the list op.discussion. Every message sent to the mailing list will be shon in that group. In a few days we will release the technical specifications for this project. Until then, please discuss the points stated below, and encourage your friends to join in. - - -------------------------------------------------------------- The content site will provide features and news on open source projects and the people who work on them. Project successes and needs will be highlighted, new and promising projects will be covered, and we'll interview participants to find out the problems they've had and the lessons they've learned in running their projects. We'll be interested in solicited technical articles from project participants, or helping them put together such articles, as a way to highlight the efforts of their projects. We'll cover such topics as project advocacy, recruiting, collaborative and project management skills and how they affect project efficiency. Topics will include the integration of conventional CS and industry thought and technique, with the informal style of the community: what works, what doesn't, and how we can all improve our open source project skills. Topics will include education and research, techniques, snags and approaches, as well as the need for inter-project coordination. On the philosophical side, we'll highlight questions such as: Why do people do open source? How do they make it work? What significance does it have for them? Plans for the site do not currently include user forums; many sites such as Kuro5hin and Slashdot already link original content on the web to user discussion areas. There will be an "email to the editor" section but it will contain selected emails of editorial interest. The emphasis of the site will be on news, features and editorial comment. The site will embody a set of editorial viewpoints for which Open Projects is well known: (1) The community profits from expansion. But new participants need to be integrated well into the community. Community participants who help recruit new participants and help integrate them into the community should be recognized. Methods for doing so will be a topic of editorial discussion from time to time. (2) The community profits from improved communication and collaboration skills. Community participants whose skills in these areas are exemplary should be recognized for their efforts. (3) Open and free communication make free software development possible. Groups and organizations which defend the ability of developers to work in a public setting without falling prey to legal attack should be recognized for their efforts. Efforts to obstruct projects by legal means should be covered as important community news. (4) Decentralized, parallel structures are robust. Centralized functionality tends to produce bottlenecks when individual projects or structures with no backup fail to function properly. The community takes advantage of parallelization in the form of projects with overlapping functionality, as well as with the ability to fork existing projects. Multiple web servers, multiple ftp clients, multiple shells and editors, multiple desktop managers all contribute to the stability and robustness of community efforts as a whole. So, basically, duplication of effort can be a safety feature for the community. Projects with similar or overlapping goals will be compared and contrasted in such a way that their differences are clear. We will not take the editorial position that having fewer overlapping projects is automatically better. (5) Project politics reduces the effectiveness of project participants. Community members who rise above political concerns and who build bridges between projects should be recognized for their efforts. For example, we'll promote developers who are willing to port KDE applications to Gnome, and vice-versa. We'll recognize the efforts of community members who work to include rival projects in standards discussions. (6) The free software model has useful implications for society at large and may have applicability to projects involving technology or information transfer. We will attempt from time to time to highlight those implications and applications of similar models outside the free software community. Rob Levin & Darian Lanx - - -- Si vis pacem, para bellum - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQNfAwUBOm9TedYKnjdA0qXCFAMbeQ0fdJqyg/1TNp5V6aV9hODdNM0yPrGFVeLG AIuHtwpOymR3BQq198naxi0wLoGUPr03jdxty2A2qKCTlFSWKea5d/K+lm7mzacs vhjo5EzMsB1r/enxWhYSPakkLF02MCjvTBi8R4+EREe6nG/Bg/tZIoh+7rc2XaJH oJcqRN2i5ZIOoAmmDGXF14eOCMhnQ/YVyZPtwkccfB23urpmgwJkuDUj5vxmq8ge mqV+cWfepPXRhJcNtnass9uuw3fRS/Jeh5IMwHDGCddY11f9t1XrhyIxAV69oi/Q idtF49P2gN2QtbpuwmRMPJ98x3qdLpLjoD2H9hBK3dwvV1gvirZeZdbGcSKP8ESN ba4W8E/U2ZT3krXpsf0s0mzl3fCqJrUvAguC6oKPUgBdm7Lm5Kpfl9+1+hjzj9sY szkAxXzN7L2juOHqYHaCSMybdTGVJYXLe9zxH82YPRS+3imgKUkSwQM4KMAEEBMF etGaZvus3qrgCvN7PcW4dNHlKVVAiyt6GFZehbQ30ao68/BApN0gvA66BU0GgJQW fosst6a957r5UkboDSCYPFj3uHvzHvfLRPA/f5wofO9pKxC1nN9Z50RL29+dsdBR lUtDrTPzHlilF/d+tnW8M8BCwO+wogz8kNe379rCXb3NlIo/u+yCZk+31SLLgqmK SJpZj+810RXuqmH+0gnDe43LH4S1rw9C5F1tCkuAhtRnGUn3Hrjcv41nq+iIbs+m ZtITuQH8jnBpEYiQg+09u39dRYOc3e1TQ3GJjQl6uxCbwyrULOZirS2xU49Fbfs2 qJupw86BWmVQ+fJaW1x1Mn39XeiN344iUaipMkW0wMSV3S3QP+iP1O9X7u2S/JJ0 ENXNJvElDdFqluB5u6vLKzH5cFdCfXnfWQ8ncN9EAmOEC2uUyDAIeGIBe7hNZepd 7i1voxQfys0wX8kICWtnJT17tr09SMfu7xJSnGzEew6bqx0ONuu4HLD2/aD4qRFV 6H+bEQ2mMwNXYWVXCB3x56LYcikk9BJ9S4ydig0VHjJfJs7xH/3aWkPjiAXz0Oyc AHQ/meikw4facfWtpOtBGvKjBRw5+I8oT/gLvL8FiWA9uxxq0vgYGz4bY3MdqfsT 1I8= =ZdUu - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQFmAwUBOm9Tqa06Ea18zay0FAOoVgU3dvtSMoqd13bfVaGU2lRH5tr3kNDoHDlj MjoXMiRiHvqH5TYYw9jejBibCmnBCgLr7lHYnK/y4Qun37lhb5Itpgzd8s6OU8mF DII00QG0UgSo7NttSq72718U9jU9rG1/pitMuQLfbCT0nqjrE4O6mpSYb+iZhqRP IgMDXyFmh0vzgiCNDG2BdJliOpKkvAAnBkoHwT3DQHOYDOq+PGI/UGxUGsufarMF P1fBjvp1hkJs316sTMQcNmt/zXSN7YhKEqq8A1uBL04l2NuPT99gxBGXEjHb3pQd ykcHZ18TmQs2y7gSQDAsg5OkOBZotMhM8k05zZBzdvMdxdof5aBvz/QftXUi9JbJ GxpixNBiuRyD90CN49IpXqlAfrTcP8IL5nqjFT/PVrloA77WSw2wrhvD1GG4YRrk VxCXAdwOrcdEI+FPzdyp6M82MbMPRpXu+g= 4Vqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:34:43 -0000 From: I Graham <igraham(a)scheduledevelopments.co.uk> Subject: MontaVista Software opening engineering department in UK. Hi, I was pointed at this address by some guys in the Hampshire LUG, so I hope this e-mail is appropriate to this list. I am with MontaVista Software, the makers of HardHat Linux for embedded systems, and we are in the process of opening our international engineering department (non-US) based in Bracknell, Berkshire. I am looking for experienced Linux developers to join the engineering team in a variety of roles, including technical support and professional services. I don't want to post detailed job specs here but typically this will involve kernel and device driver work in C, as well as other embedded specific work, such as Micro Windows, FLTK Toolkit, etc, in C and C++. There is probably the opportunity for travel throughout Europe and to the Sates and maybe to Japan. There will be some customer facing aspects to some of the roles. The markets that MontaVista targets include things like consumer electronics, telecomms, set top boxes and internet TV. In short, embedded devices with limited resources that can benefit from Linux. If you would like more information, please e-mail or phone me :- Telephone : 07787114306 E-mail : IGraham(a)Schedule.Demon.co.uk Ian Graham Director, International Engineering MontaVista Software (www.MVista.com) P.S. You'll notice that I haven't even got my e-mail running through MVista servers yet. This really is getting in at the beginning. I want to set up an open evening and will do so in early February, depending on the response to this e-mail. -- MJR

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Linux Music
by David Freeman 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

For the person who was looking for a music typesetting program http://www.cs.ruu.nl/~hanwen/lilypond/ Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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