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Good news
by David Freeman 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Can anyone recommend a good news server which is free to access? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Meeting
by David Freeman 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Looks like I wont be able to make it tomorrow (can't get any transport). Hopefully come to the next one. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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meeting
by Syd Hancock 03 Feb '01

03 Feb '01

Sorry I won'r be there (wrong country) but hopefully another time. Have fun Syd

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Transport North
by MJ Ray 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

It looks like I'm going to Syleham from King's Lynn via Norwich (because of the inclement weather) and will have at least one free space in my car. Anyone wanting to occupy it, please email quick. -- MJR

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Transport
by David Freeman 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Is there anyone going on sunday from the ipswich area? I would like to come but I can't drive. Can anyone give me a lift please? Thanks D PS I currently live in Kesgrave. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Meeting - Unable to come
by Steve Fosdick 02 Feb '01

02 Feb '01

Sorry Guys, Having said that I would come to the meeting this weekend and bring some equipment along I find that I can't because I will be in Derbyshire. I hope the meeting goes well and that wel will get a chance to meet in March before Linux day is upon us. Steve.

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Dare I mention lynx. I use this for most of my web surfing at home and > it does everything I need, and being that you don't get all the look > and feel c**p, its very very fast. Like lynx. Love w3m. > I'm get get laughed at for this but I use vi with html to generate my > documents. I am also trying to get to grips with Latex. The reason for > using Vi and HTML is HTML is pretty standard for use at > home/college/work. You have two routes to go from there that I can see. One, which will probably get you polished documents with less hacking for now is LaTeX. The other is some sort of XML markup and formatting tools, but they're Not All There Yet. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: alug digest, Vol 1 #139 - 10 msgs
by MJ Ray 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk writes: > I can see it on here: > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ > There are two listings for the next meeting. The second one says 2000. > Also in here, on the page itself: > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting5.html No, there's a page for a meeting from Feb 2000, then a gap where we need to fill in some missing meetings, then the upcoming meeting. If anyone wants to fill in the missing meetings, please get in touch. I'll probably move past meetings to an "old meetings" page RSN. -- MJR

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Linux (on MY desktop)
by Nico Morgan 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

First things first: I'm just outside Newmarket in a village called Wickhambrook (for the record I'm a very new subscriber to alug) I have just started a new job where, like Adam (nice web server by the way!), we can pretty much choose between W2k (spit) and something GNU. I installed Mandrake 7.2 ans then a raft of upgrades and it now works beautifully... I work out my desktop tasks as follows:- Browsing: Exclusively Mozilla (0.7 at present) except when Konqueror gets used by some legacy K application (like K-mail - anyone know how to stop this?) I don't find Moz too slow at all but it's lack of a Quicktime plug-in is a pain... Email: K-mail is good and getting even better (IMHO). Handles HTML when I want it too, gives me th power to add MIME headers to things when I have to send HTML and has a simple but effective filtering system. Usenet news: Got a bit clever with this (you can tell I'm still a Linux newbie) and setup Leafnode via crontab to collect my news at certain fixed times when the bandwidth is available and then Knode or Pan to read it. Office Apps: Star Office 5.2. Yes it's slow to start up (I'm sure that's 'cause I installed the lot - it's great having 90Gb of storage!!) but does the job. Try to use Gnome or K Office stuff if I can for speed. The other rather nice thing is that my box gets the usual worm/script virii in my mailbox and laughs at it, unlike some of my colleagues who are still suffering!! he he regards all Nico -- _________________________________________________________________________ Nico Morgan : (home) http://www.nicomorgan.com Clickstream Technologies PLC : nico(a)nicomorgan.com The Old Granary : (work) http://www.clickstream.net Westwick : nico.morgan(a)clickstream.net Cambridge CB4 5AR : ICQ: 103427004

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Re: alug digest, Vol 1 #139 - 10 msgs
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 01 Feb '01

01 Feb '01

> From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: 31 Jan 2001 20:58:27 +0000 > > "Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > > > Don't mean to be picky here, but on the alug website it says that the next > > meeting in in the year 2000 ?? I know it was a leap year but.... > > What page does it say that on, please? Both > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting6.html and > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ say 2001 and I can't find it > with grep.... > I can see it on here: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ There are two listings for the next meeting. The second one says 2000. Also in here, on the page itself: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting5.html jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > You rcould try the Koffice suite, I've just downloaded the Kword and Ksheet > had a quick look and they look pretty good. The beauty is that they both > read M$ format docs.. Oh, I forgot this. I usually read Word docs through antiword and Excel via xls2csv, although having the apps around which can read/edit them better is also handy sometimes. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Thom May <thom(a)clearairturbulence.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Evolution (does HTML), Mutt(does HTML - in a way :) ), > Gnus(dunno bout html), Balsa, etc Gnus passes html to w3 for rendering (the Emacs HTML engine), or does it mutty-style, passing it to an external program. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Linux is not for desktops?
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Chris Allen <chris(a)cjx.com> writes: > Browsing the web: > Netscape - Soooo slow.. Netscape is OK unless you have tables in tables in tables... etc. Mozilla seems to be better, but still not quite ready for prime-time. > Email: > Sylpheed is the only program I have found that comes close to Eudora [...] > Usenet news: > PAN - not as polished as Agent but no real complaints here I'm using XEmacs/Gnus with the gnus-agent feature to read both my email and news. I do the same on both my home and office machines (although the office one isn't agentised, as it's on a permanent connection), with roles, filtering, adaptive scoring, virtual groups, etc, and it just leaves anything else trailing in the dust. The price you pay for that is extensive configuration is needed to make the extensive configurability work for you. (However, I am a lisp/scheme fan, so it's not bad for me.) > Office Apps: > Star Office? - So slow even on a 500Mhz PIII that it makes windows > look fast. StarOffice is memory-hungry, I believe. I use the Gnome Office combination of AbiWord (still beta, but 90% there now) for quick letters and Gnumeric for spreadsheets, but I'm not that intensive a user of either (as my papers are in LaTeX and number crunching in R or XLisp). > What do you all use for your main desktop machine? And are you > productive with it? As you can guess for the above, both of my desktop machines run Linux and I'm fairly productive with it. (cue sarky comments from others) > [...] less productive on a Linux desktop machine because > I am for ever hacking, updating and fixing things instead of getting > on with my work! Oh yes, you have to get something that works, set it up right and then try to leave it alone rather than "improve" forever, as you can with Linux. With closed OSes (eg MacOS that we have at work), you don't have the option of doing that. > p.s. Anyone else from around Leiston here? I had to look it up on the map... -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Picky ?!!!
by MJ Ray 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

"Simon Parkes" <simon.parkes(a)ukonline.co.uk> writes: > Don't mean to be picky here, but on the alug website it says that the next > meeting in in the year 2000 ?? I know it was a leap year but.... What page does it say that on, please? Both http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/meeting6.html and http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ say 2001 and I can't find it with grep.... -- MJR

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Re: hello
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:56:44 +0000 > > Greetings, Jo, > I was looking forward to Sunday (I was going to bring my laptop and hope > that some genius could casually type in a few commands here and there and > get the pc card and networking going that I gave up on weeks ago) (I also > had this idea that we would be eating a lot of biscuits and drinking a lot > of coffee which is always a pleasant thought) but I can't make that date. > Enjoy. > Jenny. > Whereabouts S of Camb are you from? Hi, I'll eat plenty of biscuits for you, then ;) We're in Balsham- are you nearby? Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Test Alug Site
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Q: Why is the ALUG website like a bus? "Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. A: You spend months waiting for one, then two come along at once. -- MJR

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Test Alug Site
by Martyn Drake 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi folks, I'm shortly about to try a test web site out at http://test.alug.org.uk using the thatware.org system. For those that haven't seen thatware, it's simply a Slashdot (or PHP-Nuke) like system for posting news articles. With a series of admins, we will be able to publish announcements and venue information easily. The test site should be ready by the end of the evening. Regards, Martyn

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Sony Vaio PCMCIA cd-rom drive
by Adam Bower 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi People, Does anyone have one of the above? as I have had my vaio with transmeta processor for a few months now and havn't got around to installing linux (no netboot, no cd-rom drive, no floppy drive, and loadlin doesn't work grrr..). I have tried loadlin and the kernel does not come up!? and using a USB floppy is ok but I havn't now got the floppy drive as it was borrowed and I would need to make new boot disks with USB floppy support (which is a pain). also I have been ill for the past week so may not make it on Sunday, and almost certainly won't have new Debian cd's. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

--- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Cheers, > Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. No probs > WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy > for a > few weeks ;-) > I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw > yet so > I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance > to > play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for > SourceNavigator, > Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. > I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not > does > anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, > modem)? > Cheers > Earl Remind me on friday and I'll try and bring a spare network card you can use during the meet, or alterantively get hold of a serial cable and use slip. Thanks D > On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: [Alug] Development in Linux
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Cheers, Yes I'll have a look on Sunday please. WBH has sent me a copy of his boilerplate - which should keep me busy for a few weeks ;-) I intend to bring a jaz drive with me on Sunday (haven't got a cdw yet so I'm hoping to borrow the company Jaz instead (should give me a chance to play SCSI anyways) - together with the necessary stuff for SourceNavigator, Insight and gdb5.0 if anyone wants to grab a copy. I also intend to have a network card in my machine by then but if not does anyone know how to link up using another method (parallel, serial, modem)? Cheers Earl On 30 January 2001 17:29, David Freeman [SMTP:david_freeman@rocketmail.com] wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D >

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Bad practice to reply to your own posts but also have a look at [http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net] - good guide to network programming http://www.cis.udel.edu/~totten/vi/ for using VI. I also have a useful link if I can find the bookmark, mail me direct if you want it. Thanks D --- David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote: > I Can only recommend the book > > Programming with GNU Software > Mike Loukides and Andy Oram > O'reilly > ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 > > (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) > > It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the > CVS system. > > Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as > an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple > one > for you) > > HTH > > Thanks > > D > > --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi again. > > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do > a > > bit of > > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming > on > > Linux > > in C/C++. > > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > > but... > > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > > habits with > > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > > switches > > etc). > > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > > generating > > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > > man/info > > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the > dark. > > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > > stuff, > > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > > out > > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least > some > > of the > > nitty gritty? > > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > > something. > > Anything. > > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but > couldn't > > see > > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would > rather > > not > > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when > setting > > up > > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > > you use > > to create the files which become makefiles? > > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > > Cheers > > Earl > > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see > yer > > there. > > > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy > to > > be > > broken." > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Mail app
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

All, My web mail account is overits sizelimit. I need a small program for linux which will download the entire contents of a pop3 mail account to a ASCII text file, the program needs to be very simple to configure. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by David Freeman 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I Can only recommend the book Programming with GNU Software Mike Loukides and Andy Oram O'reilly ISBN: 1-56592-112-7 (I can bring it on sunday if you want to have a look before you buy) It covers everything from Editing and Compiling to Makefiles and the CVS system. Also for makeing Makefiles, I found it useful to use someone elses as an initial template (drop me a line if you want me to make a simple one for you) HTH Thanks D --- Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> wrote: > Hi again. > I come from a M$ windoze programming background (although I did do a > bit of > Oracle on Unix for a while) but I'm dying to get into programming on > Linux > in C/C++. > I have everything I need compiler wise, All the C Libraries etc > but... > Unfortunately Windoze programming gets you into some bad (lazy) > habits with > nice IDEs, taking care of your include directories, compiler > switches > etc). > Thus moving to a command line compiler is a bit of a headache, > generating > makefiles is something I know nothing about - despite reading the > man/info > pages on make/automake/autoconf etc I'm still completely in the dark. > Does anyone have any good info on this, I don't even mind beginners > stuff, > just something to get me moving (I've made a start on the How-Tos). > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE > out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some > of the > nitty gritty? > Or a little wizard to help create makefiles from a source tree or > something. > Anything. > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't > see > anything, I haven't got much time (at work you see) and would rather > not > re-trawl the same ground someone else has already covered. > Or if you have any pointers, advice - eg. good practice when setting > up > source trees in Linux etc, how easy is this 'macro language' which > you use > to create the files which become makefiles? > I Hope this isn't too noddy a posting. > Cheers > Earl > BTW will be at Syleham on Sunday (wife has granted leave) so see yer > there. > > "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to > be > broken." __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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ANyone need a lift - Sunday
by Earl Brannigan 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi again, JIC anyone needs it - I'll be driving from Gazeley Nr Newmarket on Sunday - I'll gladly pick anyone up on-route (or even reasonably off-route) Lemme know. You can email me direct Regs Earl "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until they are too heavy to be broken." - Warren Buffet Earl Brannigan Linden House Software LTD Linden House Gazeley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 8RD Tel : 01638 750780 Mobile : 07940 280492 Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Development in Linux
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I'm by no means an expert on this, but here are a couple of pointers from things I've heard of. I hope others can offer more. Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > Or better still (begin lazy Win user hopeful smile) is there an IDE out > there for X which sits on top of GCC and takes care of at least some of the > nitty gritty? For X, http://sources.redhat.com/sourcenav/ For console, http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~sho/rho/rhide-1.4/rhide-linux.html Or you could just learn (X)Emacs... > I've looked at the section on Front-ends at www.gnu.org but couldn't see You almost certainly don't want those just yet. -- MJR

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