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Re: [Alug] What happens at meetings?
by MJ Ray 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I'm sorry to be a pest, but I am completely in the dark as to what actually > happens at an ALUG meeting - from what i can gather we all turn up with as > many bits as possible and join them together and get them > working/networked/whatever whilst drinking copious amounts of hot liquids. > Or cold, if there is a pub at the end of the road. That seems fairly accurate so far! :-) Well, they've usually just been fixing and networking, but sometimes there have been particular demonstrations or topics to the meeting. I think it's agreed that we'd like another side to the meeting with presentations etc, but people have been fairly slow in coming forward. There were a few (good, as I recall) ideas, so is anyone wanting to commit to talking at Syleham? Subject to John's agreement (as organiser), part of the Syleham meeting will be a round-table so we can tell you what we know about LinuxDay and get help in organising it. [Can't remember if we agreed that last night. I'll just check the log. Yep, looks like it.] And if someone wants to do a talk/presentation too (just one fairly short one this time, please), then speak out now. > Are there many at meetings, do you know each other, are there any others > like myself who are struggling with the basics still, is it worth coming > even if you don't bring your linux box, etc? Numbers have varied up to about two dozen in the past, but list membership has grown by 50% or so since the last meeting, so perhaps we should look for at least that now. The ones who have been around from day one know each other and there are groups from the two unis, but some new faces arrive each time and are welcomed into the fold. And it's still worthwhile without a box, but not as fun because it does mean that you're more of a spectator than a participant. If we can get some talks off the ground, it would make it even more worthwhile, but there's a strong chatting side to it too. > Do send me a pointer to any info up on LUG sites if I've missed it. http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/meetings/ (needs completing: volunteers?) and http://www.lug.org.uk/ perhaps. -- MJR

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Cups and Distiller
by Chris Glover 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Hi, I have just installed Cups on my Linux box. I have installed the Epson Stylus Photo 750 driver, and the Adobe Distiller driver. The Epson works perfectly, but every time I send a job to the distiller, it just seems to produce a postscript file instead of a PDF. I'm using the Adobe Distiller PPD that came with Mandrake 7.2 Any ideas would be much appreciated, in the mean time I shall have to generate Post script files and pass them though windows distiller Many Thanks Chris Chris *************************************************************************** E Mail Chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk WWW http://www.glovercc.clara.co.uk ICQ 18054759 Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -Anon

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Archive
by David Freeman 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

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Linux and Music
by Steve Fosdick 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

I remember someone from the user group mentioning that he was interested in music applications for Linux but despite looking back over the last few months of mailing list archives I haven't discovered who. Anyway I'd be interested to hear whether anyone has found software to do the following: 1. Capture MIDI events from an external midi controller keyboard to a MIDI file whilst at the same time playing them on the sound card, despite the fact that the soundcard doesn't have a midi synth on-board. I have found timidity which is able to play MIDI files on my sound card (Soundblaster PCI = ES1371) but there doesn't seem to be a way to use this real time, i.e. it expects the data in a file. I also tried a couple of MIDI sequencer programs, one of which is the one built in to rosegarden and the other whose name I forget but both complained that the high-level MIDI interface to the sound card wasn't available and refused to do anything useful. 2. Music Typesetting. Currently I have Rosegarden but I find that entering notes with this program is very slow, so I'd be interested to hear if there is anything else out there. Thanks in Advance, Steve.

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Re: [Alug] Linux and Music
by MJ Ray 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Beatrice Bray <bjb(a)walks65.fsnet.co.uk> writes: > By the way the nursery rhyme is Ba Ba Black Sheep. Confident? It looked like something else to me :-/ -- MJR

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Ann: ALUG 2001.1
by John Woodard 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Here is the official announcement of the next ALUG meeting (ALUG 2001.1) which will be at Syleham Village Hall, Syleham, Suffolk on Sunday 4th Feb 2001 2:00 - 6:00 pm. Venue details at http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html. The hall will cost us a tenner again, which is still pretty cheap, so contributions on the day will be most welcome. Syleham and Wingfield Computer Club have said they will provide tea and coffee again which is nice of them. If you're coming post to the list with any suggestions or assistance you need. I'll post to relevant Usenet groups later any suggestions to which ones that are appropriate. I thought: uk.local.eastanglia uk.comp.os.linux linux.announce any others? Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] What happens at meetings?
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I've got thousands of projects i keep shelving that would take a few > pointers to get me going again, such as Samba, pcmcia, although i will feel > a bit guilty firing questions with no particular input. Don't worry, when you're an expert, we'll expect you to help the next crop of newbies ;-) (Of course, the old guard will have grown beards and gone insane by then, so no newbies will talk to us.) > I keep wondering if i could help out by writing anything for the > website from a newbie (ugh i hate that word) point of view, but even > that seems beyond my present capabilities :) I'm very interested in having something at a rather lower technical but more personal level written for the first edition. But you know that. Just ask if you need help. Hopefully John will be editing the site too soon. (One more time: I NEED HELP, PEOPLE!) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] What happens at meetings?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

> From what I remember, average attendance is about 5-10. Hopefully more at the next one as we haven't meet in a while. Hey, ok, sounds good - I'm supposed to be rehearsing on Sun 4th but I'll move the date if I possibly can, if I don't turn up to this one to pick brains then it certainly isn't because I don't want to! I've got thousands of projects i keep shelving that would take a few pointers to get me going again, such as Samba, pcmcia, although i will feel a bit guilty firing questions with no particular input. I keep wondering if i could help out by writing anything for the website from a newbie (ugh i hate that word) point of view, but even that seems beyond my present capabilities :) I'm quite good at eating biscuits. And i could compare two wheel experiences with the guy who has just moved to Red Lodge.

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Re: [Alug] Possible Venue -- I need help!
by Ashley T. Howes PhD 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

>So, the question is: what do we want from a >venue? Not a lot really. Adequate space, some tables and chairs (oh, and a loo!). I think there are enough people with hubs, cable, etc to set up an internal network. The configuration of outside internet access is not necessary and seems to cause lots of problems. Ashley -- Dr. Ashley T. Howes PhD ashley(a)turton.com Internet Developer http://www.turton.com Turton Creative Marketing Solutions 23-27 St. Andrews Street, Norwich, Norfolk, NR2 4TP Tel:+44 (0)1603 766888 Fax:+44 (0)1603 767070

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What happens at meetings?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

I'm sorry to be a pest, but I am completely in the dark as to what actually happens at an ALUG meeting - from what i can gather we all turn up with as many bits as possible and join them together and get them working/networked/whatever whilst drinking copious amounts of hot liquids. Or cold, if there is a pub at the end of the road. Are there many at meetings, do you know each other, are there any others like myself who are struggling with the basics still, is it worth coming even if you don't bring your linux box, etc? Do send me a pointer to any info up on LUG sites if I've missed it. Cheers, Jenny.

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Possible Venue -- I need help!
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Hi all, I spoke on the phone to the owners of the St Augustine's Centre, King's Lynn, and it *looks like* it will be possible to hold some meetings there. However, they want to know what we're looking for in a venue so they can see give us the most appropriate room before committing to anything. So, the question is: what do we want from a venue? (FWIW, I doubt the centre cafe will be open at weekends, but a shop is at the end of the road and a pub is around two hundred metres away, don't fret.) I could also do with any help from this area in setting up, if possible, and reminding by past venue organisers how much has been paid for their venues. I've got my eye on mid-March, but my desire for ALUG to visit Essex for a first time is still undiminished if anyone is able to organise things for there. -- MJR

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Re: Welcome To "alug"!
by Syd Hancock 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Hello everybody Just a note to let you know that I have rejoined under a new email address - formerly compuserve. Am still waiting to find or make a few quiet hours for some install sessions. Will let you know how I get on. Best wishes Syd Brittany ----------------- New email address: syd(a)toufol.com

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ALUG-IRC 22 Jan
by MJ Ray 22 Jan '01

22 Jan '01

Another IRC meeting, the log follows. Today's highlights include: - much head-scratching about Rodney (John's recalcitrant box) - brief mentions of LinuxDay and the website - what we think of web applications and iMacs - other random chat. See you at the next one next Monday at 8pm! Hopefully by then we'll have a "short intro to IRC" on the website... IRC log started Mon Jan 22 19:53:57 2001 <slef> hah, that works <BigJohn> how you doing <slef> not too bad. Far too busy, though <slef> today was a total waste, though <BigJohn> I know the feeling <BigJohn> I've been trying to get lilo to work for about a week now and it's doing my head in <BigJohn> I've been attempting a dual boot mdk7.2 Win2k <slef> boot floppies still work, though? * paulr (paulr(a)modem-27.blue-spotted-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #alug <paulr> hi all. <BigJohn> I installed lilo on my /boot partition and copied the first 512 bytes of the boot sector onto a floppy and loading it with the NT boot loader just get the dreded li... <BigJohn> evening Paul <BigJohn> boot floppy I made on install works but I think that has a kernel on it <slef> yeah, it does, but it's a temporary way out * miniman (jonathan(a)necryon.demon.co.uk) has joined #alug <miniman> hi <slef> hiya <BigJohn> yeah I know if I try a lilo floppy it just does the same li... its not seeing the kernel for some reason <BigJohn> Hi Jon <slef> who's rdc btw? <BigJohn> Oi rdc who are you :) <paulr> hi miniman. <rdc> Sorry distracted. <rdc> Thanks for the advice last week miniman. make mrproper sorted my probs out. <BigJohn> miniman: My lilo's still broke :( <miniman> ah cool <paulr> heh. * louisd (digfields(a)host213-1-140-237.btinternet.com) has joined #alug <louisd> Hi <paulr> hi louisd. * ashley (ashley(a)userhp69.uk.uudial.com) has joined #alug <BigJohn> Evening Ash <paulr> hi ash. busy tonight, huh? <ashley> hello everyone <BigJohn> My god! is this a record number of attendees? <louisd> What's the topic? <slef> yes, I think so <miniman> BigJohn: so it isn't able to find your kernel when using the boot floppy *** slef has changed the topic on channel #alug to BigJohn's dual boot doesn't <paulr> heh <miniman> with this many ppl in here we should be able to sort rodney out <ashley> this is the first irc meet i've attended in months <BigJohn> miniman: no doesn't find it boohoo *** slef has changed the topic on channel #alug to BigJohn's dual boot doesn't // <BigJohn> I installed lilo on my /boot partition ... loading it with the NT boot loader just get the dreded li... <paulr> BigJohn: you've tried everything in the howto, I assume <paulr> ? <BigJohn> cool I'm famous :) * iDunno (brett(a)modem-129.cuban-hogfish.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #alug <BigJohn> yes just about I think <paulr> right. <iDunno> boo. <BigJohn> Hi Brett <slef> ISTR we bashed against this at a meeting <iDunno> "ooops" (topic) <iDunno> hi john. <iDunno> wonder what gave my name away... <paulr> um. BigJohn: is it lilo that you dd, or the kernel? <paulr> must be lilo, I guess. hmm. <iDunno> go on! copy the kernel to your boot sector... * iDunno looks at paul...muppet! [#alug] <BigJohn> used the mini how-to suggestion dd if=/dev/hdg1 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1 <BigJohn> lilo installed on /dev/hdg1 <louisd> rdc : I got that 486 under my desk working today <louisd> I'm going to bung that network card back in the home machine and see if I can figure out networking the two <paulr> BigJohn: um. how many hard disks do you have BJ?! * iDunno screams at NS for being shite. [#alug] <iDunno> (and totally forgets where he was aiming his browser) <paulr> Neo the ever helpful ;) <paulr> um. iD, rather. <paulr> BigJohn: I've done that before, and it definately worked -- can't think what could be causing the problem :/ <iDunno> heh <paulr> iDunno: played with dual booting linux and NT recently? <BigJohn> hard disk count= 2 identicle disks hardware raid0 win2k and 1 disk for Linux <paulr> raid0? is that append, or mirror? <iDunno> paulr: not for 3 years. <louisd> Has anyone tried getting a dual boot linux/solaris box sorted? <slef> paulr: mirror <BigJohn> paulr: stripped <slef> uh * slef gets confused * BigJohn more confused <slef> 0 append, 1 mirror, 5 clever? <BigJohn> sounds about right <slef> paulr: append. <BigJohn> whish I had more disks for rais5 * iDunno loses track of everything and crawls into a whole <paulr> 10 == very nice. <iDunno> slef: 5 = hellously clever <paulr> (10 == mirrored raid 5, yes, really) <BigJohn> 15==even better <paulr> heh <paulr> there's a trend here.. <ashley> we have raid 5 at work. Very useful <iDunno> ouch! nice. <slef> iDunno: do you use a mobile phone...? (see tsw.org.uk...) <BigJohn> raid 5 is extreemly smart me thinks <ashley> BigJohn: yep, if a hard disk buries its head, we just swap in a spare <iDunno> slef: erm - yeah... * iDunno wombles to see <slef> paulr: is it you with the raid5 horror story? <paulr> Sun mainframes used to order their own disks when they shot a platter. <iDunno> slef: where am I looking? <BigJohn> rais 5 you can strip and mirror with only 3 disks iirc <ashley> paulr: cool <slef> iDunno: autism thread, today's additions <paulr> raid5 is parity striped. <iDunno> slef: you mean the "the first we knew of one of the disks dying was a new one arriving on the desk?" <paulr> raid4 is a PITA and is non-striped parity. <slef> iDunno: I mean the raid5 array that just lit a little red light so as not to worry anyone... no-one noticed before the 2nd disk failed. <paulr> RAID3 is a striped append, which is about as sensible as carrying a loaded magnum in your underwear. <BigJohn> its all far too clever for me anyhow :) <BigJohn> hehe <slef> paulr: I'm sure there's an obscene comment to be made about that. <iDunno> slef: nah - pauls is the disk arriving on desk one...afaik. <BigJohn> so any ideas on why lilo is giving me so much grief <slef> Your evil hard disk controllers again, probably. <BigJohn> but I've has it working on this setup before <BigJohn> linux can see the disks and the same problem occours id I bung the linux disk on a standard controller??? <slef> Well, you know I only ever have one possible solution to lilo problems. "linear" <BigJohn> what does that do? <slef> tells lilo to ignore the controller a bit <slef> I think <BigJohn> I'll give it a go do I need a compact statement in lilo.conf? <slef> why do you have the NT loader calling lilo anyway? <iDunno> slef: cos it don't work the other way. <iDunno> BigJohn: you seen the NT+Linux howto? <slef> Actually, it works fine. Lilo can call the NT loader & NT will <slef> never knows the difference. <BigJohn> cos thats what the documentation said for once I actually RTFM :) * slef is just websearching now... http://archive.lug.boulder.co.us/bymonth/1999.03/msg00336.html * paulr has signed off (Ping timeout for paulr[modem-27.blue-spotted-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk]) <BigJohn> so I do it the oter way around and call the NT loader from lilo? Won't that kill my NT boot setup? <iDunno> slef: can't find the bit you are on bout on tsw. <slef> iDunno: autism story... has a bit about mobile phones in the thread * paulr (paulr(a)modem-22.south-dakota.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #alug <paulr> I love dialup, don't you? <iDunno> autism where? <slef> BigJohn: I don't know... I think you need to find someone actually using NT in a similar setup <slef> iDunno: "Internet Causes Autistic Society?" <slef> erk <slef> why's that link gone there? <BigJohn> I know this big bloke called John who was using a dual boot setup :) <iDunno> slef: tried there, can't see sfa. <iDunno> exactly. care to fix? <slef> iDunno: yes, but stop trying to be cute and just tell me the link is to the wrong story. * paulr has signed off (Ping timeout for paulr[modem-22.south-dakota.dialup.pol.co.uk]) <slef> hrm, so nothing more to do to John's booting? * paulr (paulr(a)modem-22.south-dakota.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #alug <paulr> um. wtf? * paulr gently prods opn. <ashley> anyone know of a good open source content management for the web? <BigJohn> I'm going to give loading lilo on the master boot record a go better make some NT recovery disks though! <iDunno> slef: erm - yeah - it goes to the wrong story ;) *** slef has changed the topic on channel #alug to <ashley> anyone know of a good open source content management for the web? <slef> iDunno: no it doesn't <paulr> No, frankly. I could write you one. <iDunno> that's better :) <paulr> But that would rely on either: (a) a lot more CFT, or (b) a cheque for about 30 thou. <ashley> :) <slef> It depends what you're after. Some 2nd and 3rd generation web solutions can be made to work for limited things, but they're ultimately doomed. <paulr> slef: god. what gen is C2? <ashley> what type of backends do they use? Database, XML? <slef> ALUG is a strange mix of 1st generation with one eye on future-proofing. <slef> paulr: 4th, if it works. <paulr> slef: ahh. <slef> 1st = flat file and filestores; 2nd = CGI/PHP/etc ; 3rd = early appservers like Zope; 4th = yet to come <paulr> ashley: well, a cocoon based one could use whatever you want, really. I'd be tempted to use Tamino if you need it Big Stylee Industrial, and you have $$$. <slef> So ends slef's web history revisionism <slef> ashley: Databases almost all, sometimes XML databases. <paulr> (as a backend -- it's a database capagle of storing XML) <ashley> Where does Cocoon sit? Between the XML store and the presentation? <BigJohn> could some one tell me the command to make an app always start as root `which....? <paulr> ashley: Cocoon is an XML based application framework. <paulr> it's the glue that would let you build a CMS, basically (the CMS would run inside Cocoon) <ashley> paulr: So its a scripting language? <paulr> ashley: uh, not exactly, no. <paulr> it's a framework. 23 thousand lines worth of servlet, in reality. <slef> BigJohn: chmod u+s executable? <ashley> paulr: can you give example of use? <paulr> take a look at the (very out of date) http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/, with a particular eye on the Cocoon2 bit. <iDunno> Cocoon is a java application framework with a focus on converting anything to anything and running as a neato funky server under tomcat... <iDunno> (maybe?) <paulr> iDunno: um. eloquent. sortof. <iDunno> paulr: well...it does sorta, ish... <paulr> ashley: okay, imagine A.N.Other web application, say written in PHP <BigJohn> slef: cheers <paulr> now pull the look and feel of it away from the content, and away from the 'what appears on what page' (what I call presentation) <paulr> you end up with a 4/5 layered architecture: <slef> BigJohn: ought to use sudo or something instead <ashley> thanks paul. Will read later. <paulr> [EJB/Database] -> [Content selection/XSP] -> [Styling] -> [Client]. <iDunno> sudo rocks... <paulr> ashley: okay mate. give me a yell if you need any pointers. <iDunno> sudo + alias == good nice clean wholesome fun. <slef> [Huge program] -> [Upward motion] -> [Own backside] * slef runs <paulr> heh <slef> seriously, it's all good engineering and it'll be needed if e-commerce is ever going to work <paulr> indeed. <paulr> although a lot of other things will be too (direct interfacing to EFT etc etc etc) <slef> ok, can we move on quickly (I want to go eat dinner tonight)? <ashley> paulr: EFT? <paulr> heh. *** slef has changed the topic on channel #alug to LinuxDay <paulr> ashley: electronic funds transfer. <slef> well, I suck... not sorted the venue out yet <paulr> anyway, on with the show. <slef> Are we OK to sit around a table at Syleham and discuss it more then? <BigJohn> back shortly chaps * BigJohn (bj(a)modem-135.washington.dialup.pol.co.uk) has left #alug because () <paulr> works for me. <ashley> sounds good. <slef> paulr: enough about that. Will you be able to sit at a table and discuss LinuxDay? <paulr> slef: when is it? <paulr> (both) <slef> paulr: April 29th, Feb 4th (iirc) * bj (bj(a)modem-222.rhode-island.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #alug <slef> bj: Feb 4th? <paulr> okay. * paulr looks at palm <paulr> okay, where'd I put it? * slef looks at palm... ooh, my life line looks long <paulr> heh <slef> ok <paulr> sunday. hmm. is andrew going? <paulr> just going to buy a bottle of wine. back shortly. *** slef has changed the topic on channel #alug to Website -- email articles, designs, offers of help, crisp used monetary notes to markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk <slef> paulr: I don't think he's said yet <paulr> slef: okay. <bj> Feb 4th is confirmed 2:00 - 6:00 <slef> Anyone got stuff they want to write just a short bit about for the website? <iDunno> slef: erm - erm - is you giving andy and pauly a lift? <slef> Doesn't need to be a huge essay... I'm going to put a short one on setting fax up as a printer Real Soon Now <slef> iDunno: nfc <paulr> slef: want to content syndicate from my personal site when CFT allows be to write it?# <slef> iDunno: not if you are ;) <slef> paulr: will gleefully <slef> paulr: would quite like lots of material on the main site too, though <iDunno> heh. I'll stay home then <sulk /> *** bj is now known as BigJohn <iDunno> anyone written the mini IRC howto yet? <paulr> slef: about what? <paulr> ack. gone. back soon. <iDunno> he will get that wine, honest ;) <slef> iDunno: no... you writing it? <slef> http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/background/submissions.html IIRC * slef looks <iDunno> slef: erm - won't be untill at least thurs...got some major work to do. <BigJohn> anyone writen a lilo+NT on RODNEY how-to yet :) <slef> yes, that's right <slef> iDunno: that's fine... if we can get this out the door by Friday, I'll be happy <iDunno> slef: u in on weds btw? <ashley> what type of IRC article is needed? <slef> iDunno: yes, somehow (car semi-broken still) <slef> ashley: how to connect (probably console, gnome, KDE clients), where to find good help, etc. <iDunno> slef: k - might need you and adam for some serious stuff (like kit hunting and working out what we want from who and if they accept wassbobsthat I can't remeber) <slef> iDunno: OK, but can we talk about it elsewhere <ashley> slef: sorry, can't help. I'm talking via a mac at present (Ashley runs...) <iDunno> slef: yeah. <slef> ashley: sOK, but not the best Linux promotion, probably <iDunno> obviously the mac has deb on it... <slef> OK, I'm going to go get dinner... I'll log until 9pm so keep chatting about stuff if you want ;-) <ashley> I believe in separate tools for separate jobs - macs are good for somethings, Linux boxes are good for others... <iDunno> haven't found much that I can't do on a nux box...biggest let down s dtp...haven't found a nice dtp proggy yet. * louisd de-lurks to say cheerio <BigJohn> iMacs are great for posing on receptionists desks in advertising agencys * louisd (digfields(a)host213-1-140-237.btinternet.com) has left #alug because () <iDunno> eww. they're horrible..they're fugly...I don't like 'em ;) <ashley> BigJohn: my companies got one (marketing/web company) <ashley> My ibook gives me 5-6 hours battery time! <iDunno> my psion gives me 30-40 hours ;) <BigJohn> why do you see so many of them on the telly? cos telly producers think they look coo! personally I think they look like boiled sweets! <iDunno> right - anyways...offfffff! <iDunno> tata all. * iDunno has signed off (gone!) <ashley> Seen the new powerbook laptop. www.apple.com - 15", titanium case, etc. Of course you can't run much on it... <ashley> I'm off, see you later... -- MJR

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["Ms. Lene Jensen" <ljensen@redhat.com>] Job offering
by MJ Ray 22 Jan '01

22 Jan '01

For info... Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:42:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Ms. Lene Jensen" <ljensen(a)redhat.com> To: uklugs(a)lug.org.uk Subject: Job offering Hi, Red Hat is looking for a permanent trainer to join our team in Guildford. We want someone who knows Red Hat Linux well, or someone with Linux skills who wants to learn Red Hat Linux intimately. Of course, teaching skills is a must... Description Role: Technical Trainer Overview: To provide and oversee the delivery of the highest quality Red Hat Linux technical training to Red Hat customers and staff Responsibilities: · To teach technical training courses in Red Hat's portfolio · To teach public scheduled courses or onsite as required · To learn new courses as required and as appropriate to skillset · To ensure all course materials are up-to-date · To introduce into use any new or revised materials and ensure other instructors are made aware of the new or revised materials · To provide technical input for course customisation at customer meetings as required · To customise or develop materials for onsites or new courses as required · To identify instructor resources for short-notice or specialist courses as required · To ensure all UK classrooms are suitably equipped and maintained · To assist in planning the class schedule and allocate dates for classes and allocate classrooms at least 6 months in advance · To assist in allocating instructoe resources to classes at least 3 months ahead and maintain this schedule on a weekly basis · To assist in identifying and recruiting contract instructors as and when necessary to ensure an adequate supply of instructors is available · To feedback any recommendations for raising awareness of Red Hat's training provision · To interface with other Red Hat customer facing staff on customer training requirements: meetings, presentations, recommendations This role is based in the Red Hat Europe UK Training Centre, Guildford, Surrey, England. Most classes are run in Guildford however some European travel could be required. Required skills: Minimum of 2 years in a Technical training role, preferably Unix or Linux. Lene Jensen, Red Hat -- 10 Alan Turing Road | Tel: +441483734926 | Did you know Red Hat can offer Guildford | Fax: +441483574944 | extensive support packages, and GU2 7YF, UK | Mob: +447799844842 | has a Certification Programme? http://www.europe.redhat.com/training/ -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] IRC Chat
by MJ Ray 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Well, it depends what you're using... in the console, epic is probably > the best; graphically, X-Chat for Gnome and kvIRC for KDE, I think. Would someone like to write a brief introduction to IRC for the website? (Yes, Brett, if it's you, you can plug your script...) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Linux and Music
by MJ Ray 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > I remember someone from the user group mentioning that he was > interested in music applications for Linux but despite looking back > over the last few months of mailing list archives I haven't discovered > who. I am, but more from sound tracking and editing. I've just built "Snd", which is a simple wave editor and mixer now ported to GTK and scriptable. It seems quite good so far, if not the easiest to use. Guess I ought to read the manual ;-) http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/CCRMA/Software/snd/snd.html Sorry, so I can't really help with your other questions, other than suggesting http://www.linuxsound.at/ as a starting point. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Linux Help
by MJ Ray 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

kerin <kerin.westgate(a)virgin.net> writes: > I've just got my X-Chat to work, so i thought I'd see what was about, I > visited a Linux Help channel, and could not believe what i saw, [...] What "Linux Help channel"? I'd be amazed if linpeople ever did what you said. If you're on about #linux on IRCnet or EFNet, then they are most definitely *not* help channels, just places for linux freaks to hang out. Sometimes you can get help there, but it's not to be recommended. > Its the same as taking a car to a garage and the mechanic saying to > you go bye a book and repair it your self, No, it's the same as taking your broken car into the pub and people telling you to get a book or take it to the mechanic. ;-) > how can the Linux world expect to encourage new users with answers > like that, when with "Windows" all you have to do is look through > the yellow pages and you will find someone to help you despite all > the help pages that are written. Kerin Isn't the fact that there is such a huge trade in Windows support trying to tell you something about the difficulty of maintaining a largely undocumented and obfuscated system? I think so. Linux may not be as shiny and polished, but at least you can find out what it all does... just not from the pub. -- MJR

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Current workings of the list...
by Brett Parker 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Mark, Just a quick question, why did you change the config of the list so that the reply-to stopped working? I liked it more the other way, any one else? Cheers, Brett

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Re: [Alug] Ann: ALUG 2001.1
by David Freeman 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

Is there anybody going from Ipswich/Martlesham who would be able to give a very small person and their computer a lift to syleham? I will be bringing my computer, atleast one 8 port hub and a few network leads/power. What facilities are at syleham? the �10, is that �10 each, or �10 between us all? Thanks D --- John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> wrote: > Here is the official announcement of the next ALUG meeting (ALUG > 2001.1) > which will be at Syleham Village Hall, Syleham, Suffolk on Sunday 4th > Feb > 2001 2:00 - 6:00 pm. > > Venue details at http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html. > > The hall will cost us a tenner again, which is still pretty cheap, so > contributions on the day will be most welcome. > > Syleham and Wingfield Computer Club have said they will provide tea > and > coffee again which is nice of them. > > If you're coming post to the list with any suggestions or assistance > you > need. > > I'll post to relevant Usenet groups later any suggestions to which > ones that > are appropriate. I thought: > > uk.local.eastanglia > uk.comp.os.linux > linux.announce > > any others? > > Cheers, > BJ > > > > _______________________________________________ > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Linux Help
by David Freeman 21 Jan '01

21 Jan '01

--- Brett Parker <brettp(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:08:29PM +0000, kerin wrote: > > Hello > > I've just got my X-Chat to work, so i thought I'd see what was > about, I > > visited a Linux Help channel, and could not believe what i saw, a > guy > > came in asking for help with lilo he was having to use a boot disc > to > > start his linux, and asked if anyone could tell him how to install > lilo > > properly. What happened they totally ignored him and carried on > talking > > to (well taking the p*** out of some bloke that wanted to record > > something without a pc or tape deck), after i pointed out this chap > the > > reply was "there are hundreds or pages of help written", Its the > same as > > taking a car to a garage and the mechanic saying to you go bye a > book > > and repair it your self, how can the Linux world expect to > encourage new > > users with answers like that, when with "Windows" all you have to > do is > > look through the yellow pages and you will find someone to help you > > despite all the help pages that are written. > > Kerin > > yeah, I must admit that there is a lot of this behaviour, but, at the > same time, the documentation is *vast* and written *well* (as long as > you hit the right docs!). I have found some of them useful but only > if I > *really*, *really* can't find any documentation. If you are after > help > 99% of the time a newsgroup is easiest, if its targetted to a single > project try to see if they have there own IRC channel, I have used > this > approach quite a few times and have always found that it tends to > work. > The only real quarm I have with most of the "linux" irc channels is > that > they have a distinct nack of not accounting (at all) for "newbies" to > IRC, for example they do put a warning in the channels topic > (usually) > telling you to go read the FAQs, the reason for this is that 99% of > questions are answered nicely, and neatly in that FAQ. I know it > sounds > as if I'm defending them, and to some extent I suppose I am (I've > been > asked the same question repeatedly for like 6 hours, it gets > *very* annoying). > > Anyways, just my 2p worth, > > Brett As a relative newbie, I have found that the default reply on most groups/channels/lists is RTFM. and alot of the DOCS are great if you are very good with programming, understand compiler messages, and know unix very well, But not if you are a raw beginner. I have spent a week trying to install PHP and mysql on a machine and the only answer I ever got was RTFM, which isn't to helpful. Now whilst I agree that I most linux users are very willing to help (well those on this list are, see my PPP problems) alot are very closed to newbies. Just my 2p. D - <action=returns to trying to work out why SDL doesn't work> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Linux Help
by kerin 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

Hello I've just got my X-Chat to work, so i thought I'd see what was about, I visited a Linux Help channel, and could not believe what i saw, a guy came in asking for help with lilo he was having to use a boot disc to start his linux, and asked if anyone could tell him how to install lilo properly. What happened they totally ignored him and carried on talking to (well taking the p*** out of some bloke that wanted to record something without a pc or tape deck), after i pointed out this chap the reply was "there are hundreds or pages of help written", Its the same as taking a car to a garage and the mechanic saying to you go bye a book and repair it your self, how can the Linux world expect to encourage new users with answers like that, when with "Windows" all you have to do is look through the yellow pages and you will find someone to help you despite all the help pages that are written. Kerin

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New ALUG Website: Site Launched
by MJ Ray 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

The new site is live! Go take a look at http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ It's all held under revision control (CVS) and built using the latest in simple user-friendly technology. I'm now accepting more articles to make the first "edition" of the site which will be announced in numerous places, along with details on LinuxDay and our next meeting (confirmed yet John?). As I've said to one person off-list, I know the current design isn't that great, so if you want to come up with a new page template, please create it and show it to the list. I'll abide by the decision of the majority, natch. So, would-be writers, contact me for submission details. Would-be editors, I'll have the access details written up in a day or so, so email me now if you haven't already. Finally, what I said before still holds: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> writes: > Personally, I am particularly interested in having the following: > - Meetings information for the rest (mailing list+memory, anyone?) > - Articles from a new user's point of view > - Reviews of some Linux Games > - Pointers to new-user information > but this is not a concrete list, so feel free to discuss them or > suggest other ideas to the mailing list. > > I'm also *desperate* for more people to help with the site. Workload > should be minimal and everything should be as easy as possible now (at > last!), but it was some time since I asked and I don't know how > situations have changed, so I'm asking again. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Ann: ALUG 2001.1
by MJ Ray 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

Steve Fosdick <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> writes: > The map available for the venue on the website gives me a broken image > icon. As I haven't been before fixing that would be a great help. Odd, it works fine from here. What browser are you using? (Martyn, can we have access to logs for the site, please?) If you want to take this to private email, that's OK to me. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Ann: ALUG 2001.1
by MJ Ray 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

"John Woodard" <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> writes: > uk.local.eastanglia > uk.comp.os.linux > linux.announce > > any others? comp.os.linux.announce alt.os.linux pcplus.linux? (on another server... can forward if desired) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] IRC Chat
by MJ Ray 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

"Kerin Westgate" <k.westgate(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Sorry to be a pain, but could someone tell me how set IRC on linux please. > Also have you got anymore details on the meeting i.e.. time, date, place, if > you are interested as a newbie to your list and Linux I may be able to offer > some help in a limited way, if the date is ok. Well, it depends what you're using... in the console, epic is probably the best; graphically, X-Chat for Gnome and kvIRC for KDE, I think. We're waiting for BJ to confirm the details of the Syleham meeting. LinuxDay is Sunday 29th April, hopefully at UEA, but still tbc. -- MJR

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