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LXLE Menu problem
by Chris Walker 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

Here's hoping somebody can help me with this. I was having problems making VirtualBox work on a 64bit LXLE machine so I uninstalled the old version, grabbed the latest from Oracle and installed it. But although the old version did, the latest version is not showing up in the menu system. I've tried running the Menu Editor and although I can add it, and save it, it never appears in the menu. So can somebody give me a clue as to where I'm going wrong with this please? -- __ __| |_ __ __ .----------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:alug_cdw@the-walker-household.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |______________________________________________|

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Why do mail programs make moving to a new installation so difficult?!
by Chris Green 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

My wife is using Thunderbird on a new[ish] xubuntu 14.04 system. She has now got it fairly well configured and working the way she wants so the next step is to move her old 'local' E-Mail across. No way is this remotely easy, I can sort of see how it might be done but there are so many gotchas that I fear it's going to be a mess. Why can't modern E-Mail program simply use mbox (or maildir, I'm not too fussed) as they were designed rather than having to add all sorts of specially named directories and indexes? In mutt it would be trivial! -- Chris Green

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Low energy use systems
by Laurie Brown 20 Jun '14

20 Jun '14

I'd like to tap into the collective brain here, if I may. For many years we've had a philosophy of using small machines to perform specific roles, say web-server, email-filter, SMB box, that sort of thing. We even have some of the Single-core Athlon boxes with 512Mb memory we bought 10 years ago still running, and working fine. However, of late, energy consumption has become a real issue. These things just consume too much electricity to justify keeping them running despite them have paid their way years ago, and still preforming faultlessly. I've had a look at the local guys at http://www.linitx.com (Needham Market) but the choice is mind-boggling, and I haven't really kept up to speed with this stuff. We already have a miniITX machine here as a firewall, but I might recycle it as a web server and use a Jetway JBC373 Fanless Quad Gigabit LAN Barebones System to replace it. However, what I need very soon is a couple of low-power consumption systems with at least 2Gb of memory, preferably a multi-core CPU (but not essential), at least one LAN port, standard VGA and PS/2 ports, and capable of taking a standard SATA 2.5" or 3.5" drive. We use Gentoo and Ubuntu on our servers. I'm thinking maybe the Jetway JNC9I-525 JC110 Barebone System but, recommendations anyone? Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Storing dropbox folder on a truecrypt volume
by Mark Rogers 16 Jun '14

16 Jun '14

First off: I know all about the potential issues (or otherwise) of using Truecrypt that have surfaced recently. For now I'm taking the view that data on a truecrypt volume is more secure than data that isn't... Anyway, I want to store my Dropbox folder on my truecrypt volume. This is about making sure that files in my dropbox folder are inaccessible to someone who steals my laptop, not about making them inaccessible to Dropbox employees (and US governments). There are loads of discussions out there about creating an encrypted container and storing that in Dropbox, but that is not what I am trying to do here. I want my ~/Dropbox folder to be located inside a truecrypt container. Does anyone have any ideas how to achieve this? At the moment Dropbox starts when my laptop does and complains that the dropbox folder isn't present. I need to delay its start until the Truecrypt container has been mounted. My guess is that I need a wrapper script that runs on startup and checks that the container is mounted before starting dropbox, but I'm unclear about the best way to do that - in particular taking into account that I might not even start Truecrypt, and if so Dropbox should never start. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Re: [ALUG] my questions recently about securely transferring files from remote system
by Chris Green 15 Jun '14

15 Jun '14

This is just an update about my recent questions regarding how to transfer files reasonably securely (as in system security rather than confidentiality of file content) from a remote unattended system. I have what seems to me to be a satisfactory solution that also makes some other things a bit easier. While hunting around for ideas and solutions for this and other issues I came across an explanation and examples of the use of ProxyCommand in the ssh config file. This has provided me with my solution. Just to recap, the remote system is a Beaglebone Black running Ubuntu which is on our boat in France monitoring temperatures, battery voltages, etc. It's connected to the internet via a WiFi hotspot so is behind a NAT router (presumably) and a firewall which are out of my control. So, to make the BBB accessible it runs an ssh tunnel to an intermediate system (my web hosting provider) where I have an ssh login account. To maintain this connection through power failures and/or other glitches I run ssh on the BBB using autossh:- autossh -N -R ?????:localhost:22 -l isbdnet3 <host on the internet> (port number masked to ??????, there's a real number there of course) To connect from home to the BBB I used to ssh from home to <host on the internet> and then from there, via the tunnel, to the BBB. The reason for the intermediate system is that my home firewall only allows connections from <host on the internet> and a couple of other specific IP addresses. (This is to protect my home system from long term attacks using ssh) Adding a ProxyCommand to my ssh config at home allows me to connect 'directly' from my home system to the BBB, the line is:- Host bbb ProxyCommand ssh <host on the internet> nc -q0 localhost ????? Now I can just 'ssh bbb' and it goes straight to the BBB. Even better and more importantly it means that I can use sshfs to mount a directory from the BBB onto my home system, thus I can:- sshfs bbb:tmp odin ... and the files being stored in ~/tmp on the BBB appear on my home desktop in ~/odin. This means I can manipulate them as required (which means add the values to a database) *and* when this has been done I can delete them safely, ideal! :-) -- Chris Green

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[ALUG Announce] ALUG Norwich Pub Meet Thursday 12th June
by Viperfang 09 Jun '14

09 Jun '14

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Hello Norwich Aluggers, Our monthly ALUG Norwich social meeting will be held this Thursday, 12th June at The Coach and Horses (82 Thorpe Road, Norwich, NR1 1BA). The meeting officially starts at 8pm, although some people may arrive earlier. More information on those people can be found on the list and the IRC channel. If you are unsure if you will recognise us then make yourself and your intent to attend known by either posting on list or visiting us on IRC so we can look out for you rather than hiding in the corner. Optionally you could ask at the bar if they know where the geeky computer weirdos are and they'll point you in the right direction (seriously!). Another possibility is look for heaps of electronics on a table that may possibly look like movie props that would used for detonating explosives. Feel free to bring electronics/laptops/gadgets to the meet, you will by no means be alone. Ben Bewick aka Viperfang NB: This mail is automated, please refer to the usual sources for more information. ALUG Contact Details: Website : http://www.alug.org.uk/ IRC : #alug on irc.alug.org.uk List : http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo Twitter : http://twitter.com/anglianlug Identica: TBA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2381613902 ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Security when transferring files - passwordless ssh or rsync daemon?
by Chris Green 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

I want to copy files from a BeagleBone Black (running Ubuntu) to my home dmz system. This has got to work unattended as the BBB is sat on our boat moored on the Somme. It's also got to be a 'push' from the BBB as it's connected via WiFi and while I can connect to it through an ssh tunnel copying files via that connection would be decidedly tricky. So, as I see it, I have two obvious options:- 1 - Set up a public key login for the BBB on my dmz that requires no passphrase, so it's effectively passwordless. Then the BBB can run rsync to copy the files. The security hole in this approach is that if someone accessed the BBB then they could login to the dmz without further difficulty. 2 - Run an rsync daemon on the dmz and copy the files by connecting to this from the BBB. The advantage is that someone at the BBB end can't do anything but copy files (and I can limit what can be copied with the rsyncd configuration), the disadvantage is that the connection isn't encrypted at all. There's nothing valuable in the files, they're just temperature and electrical measurements from the boat so I don't care at all about the files being visible to the world. My security concern is to minimise the risk of someone getting into my dmz system. OK, it's a dmz and it's just a Raspberry Pi so is hardly full of valuable data but it would be a nuisance and *might* be a jumping off place for further nefarious deeds. I guess I'm being a bit paranoid really, the BBB on the boat is headless and anyone breaking into the boat is hardly likely to be an accomplished Linux hacker. Option 1 above is certainly the easiest as rsync daemon takes a bit of setting up. Are there any really obvious flaws - is it only really vulnerable to someone who accesses the BBB? There is an option 3 but it's more difficult to set up, I could implement a passphraseless rsync connection from the BBB to the dmz that only allows rsync file copying to a specific directory. I've done this on one other system and it works pretty well (you do it by adding a command= at the front of the authorized_keys file) but like the rsync daemon it takes a bit of setting up and I'm wondering if it's worth the effort. Any comments anyone? Are there more obvious and/or easier ways of copying files without making systems vulnerable to other attacks? -- Chris Green

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27U rack looking for a new home
by Adam Bower 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

At work we have a 27U rack cluttering up our office, it has front and rear doors, some fans in the top and is on wheels to make it easy to move around. For this wonderful item I hear you say "but how much does he want for such a lovely thing?" well, the answer to that is, it's free if you come and collect it from Cambourne business park (8 miles west of Cambridge). Please mail me off list if you are interested, I have offered it around a few other places so it will be first who is able to collect gets it. Adam

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2600 meeting at 18:00 on Friday the 6th June.
by Viperfang 03 Jun '14

03 Jun '14

Quick heads up about this months Norwich 2600 meeting, more info at http://www.norwich2600.co.uk

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Probably OT: Using a wifi connection as a WAN
by Mark Rogers 28 May '14

28 May '14

I'm not sure if this is simple or not; if not then the solution is almost certainly going to use a Linux box so this might be on topic, but if not I can't think who else to ask. In my office I have a Draytek router, connected to ADSL (was O2, now Sky), with it's WAN port connected to another ADSL router, itself connected to PlusNet, and load balancing between the two. I have it set up this way due to the pretty useless speeds we get here (I just ran a speed test and got 3Mbps up, 0.5Mpbs down). No prospect of it changing much either in the short term. On the other hand, the same speed test on my phone shows 20Mbps down, 8Mpbs up (4G on Three). And I have free unlimited data including tethering. So I want to find a way to tether my office network onto my phone when I'm in the office. Is this just as simple as replacing the second ADSL router with an access point, or do I need to be more clever than that? (Also: the Draytek has a USB port for (eg) a USB 4G dongle, but could I use a USB wifi dongle to tether to my phone instead?) The "right" solution is to get a 4G dongle for the Draytek, but data plans on data SIMs don't seem all that great - and even phone contracts aren't as good as they were (I get unlimited tethering, but new contracts limit to 5GB while tethering). So I'd like to find a way to use my existing phone connection if I can, albeit that it's going to kill my battery when I use it. Although if anyone can point at decent 4G data plans instead I'd be happy to switch (I am already paying for two ADSL lines so I can ditch one of those if I get this working). (Apologies to anyone who would kill for the 3Mbps I currently get!) Mark -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Does NFS across subnets need to be able to 'see both ways'?
by Chris Green 28 May '14

28 May '14

As part of my improving security exercise I have implemented a DMZ system on a subnet separate from my main home subnet. Thus I have (similar to Mark Rogers) the following:- Draytek Vigor 2820n on subnet 192.168.1.0 WAN1 ADSL connection WAN2 Ethernet 192.168.13.0 to second ADSL router I have a Raspberry Pi plugged into to the second ADSL router's LAN so it's on the 192.168.13.0 subnet, this is the DMZ machine which will have a number of ports open to the internet. The 192.168.1.0 firewall doesn't allow any connections from the 192.168.13.0 subnet, but the Draytek Vigor 2820n does route anything addressed to 192.168.13.0 to WAN2. Thus for example I can ssh from my desktop machine on 192.168.1.0 to the Raspberry Pi. Now (finally!) to the question, can the Raspberry Pi export its files to my desktop (or anything on the 192.168.1.0 subnet) without opening up any holes in the firewall? I tried the obvious:- / *(rw,async,no_subtree_check) on the Raspberry Pi but although I could mount the filesystem successfully on my desktop any attempt to access it just hangs. -- Chris Green

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Decent player wanted for internet radio streams (specifically BBC)
by Chris Green 28 May '14

28 May '14

I'm looking for a way to (simply) play BBC Radio 4 and other BBC stations on my desktop machine. I used to use radiotray but updating to xubuntu 14.04 seems to have broken that completely (it was always a *bit* flakey). I don't want a full blown music player really, though one that's easy to configure to play BBC would be OK. I *definitely* don't want a list of thousands of stations to select from which rarely includes BBC anyway, I just want to be able to enter a BBC radio URL and hear the radio. I have clementine installed but I can't see how to get that to play URLs, it looks like it should but seems to be broken when you try it. Like so many other players I've found. -- Chris Green

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Would someone burn a distro for me?
by James Freer 24 May '14

24 May '14

My PC I think has a faulty DVD drive/corrupted installation as it doesn't seem to burn. My spare machine with a CDROM doesn't seem to work now and for some odd reason neither boot on the USB (even with PLoP). Not been a good day! If someone is prepared to help me out maybe you can reply off list - I live North of Bury. The distro is Fedora xfce and Salix (CDs as opposed to DVD). thanks james

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Fwd: Re: Overheard in the bar
by RustyHinge 24 May '14

24 May '14

Apropos Chalk Hill? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Overheard in the bar Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 12:53:41 +0100 From: Znep <E-0C001302-5256-E(a)cleopatra.co.uk> Organization: None, really.... Newsgroups: uk.rec.sheds etc. In uk.rec.sheds, (Murff) wrote in <ll917d$q4k$20(a)dont-email.me>:: >On Sun, 18 May 2014 01:58:53 +0100, Mike Fleming wrote: > >> I've had some that's been good and >> some that hasn't coped so well. > >Just finishing some Naylor's Old Ale, from Kildwick. About 1 mile from >here, bought by the case from the brewers. At that distance, whether beer >travels or not is rather less of an issue. Um. I once took a mate of mine to the Lass o'Gowrie, and had a pint of their finest- which I rather liked. He didn't. "Where's this from?" he asked. "They make it out the back, there." "Huh. Doesn't travel well, does it?" -- Marc

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I haven't tried *really* hard, but...
by Anthony Anson 19 May '14

19 May '14

Thunderguts is set to read Usenet offline. Posts for only one group are duly downloaded, but try to access them? Every time I try to open one, the cursor on the newsgroups column goes to the next one, where there are, of course, only headers. Is this a feature? Or am I doing something silly? -- Tony http://www.girolle.co.uk/

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Re: [ALUG] Is there any point in using an 'unusual' private IP address range for security?
by Phil Ashby 18 May '14

18 May '14

On 18/05/14 12:00 Chris Green <cl(a)isbd.net> wrote: > ... > What I'm thinking of doing to improve my security (or at least reduce > the likelihood of a break-in doing much damage) is to have a dedicated > 'dmz' server on the LAN/WAN between the Speedtouch router and the > 2820n's WAN port. I can then open up the appropriate ports on *that* > system to provide access from the outside world but if someone breaks > in they won't be able to see anything much except that machine and a > couple of routers. This would be a "good thing" (tm), provided there are appropriate firewall settings on the 2820 that prevent connections from the DMZ back into the house network (ie: treat the DMZ as the internet from the house network point of view). > My question is about what private IP address ranges to use, currently > they're as follows:- > > 2820n - 192.168.1.1 > This has *everything* hanging on it, backup NAS, family > computers, media boxes, etc. > > Speedtouch - 192.168.13.254 > 2820n WAN - 192.168.13.65 (assigned by Speedtouch DHCP) > New dmz computer would be added to this LAN > > > Would it be worth changing things around so that the Speedtouch LAN is > 192.168.1.x (the almost universal default for home LANs) and the 2820n > one is 192.168.13.0, or even 10.0.0.0 or 172.16.0.0 so that an > intruder is less likely to guess that there's another LAN to look for? > I know this is 'security by obscurity' to some extent but it's no > effort really except some minor configuration changes to some static > addresses and DHCP servers so if it offers any advantage it's probably > worth doing. Prior knowledge of internal network addressing may help someone prepare a drive-by attack on your 2820 via your browser, otherwise there won't be much extra protection once they are on the DMZ host and can see all the network traffic passing by. Phil

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Is there any point in using an 'unusual' private IP address range for security?
by Chris Green 18 May '14

18 May '14

I am in the process of reconfiguring my home LAN. Currently my desktop computer (which is also an 'always on' server machine) is visible to the outside world on several ports: ssh, smtp, http and maybe a couple of others (I'd have to check the router configuration to be sure). I have two ADSL connections, both with static IP and I use a Draytek Vigor 2820n router for load balancing. The 2820n handles one ADSL connection and there's an old Speedtouch ADSL modem/router on the other phone line whose LAN side connects to the 2820n's ethernet WAN input. What I'm thinking of doing to improve my security (or at least reduce the likelihood of a break-in doing much damage) is to have a dedicated 'dmz' server on the LAN/WAN between the Speedtouch router and the 2820n's WAN port. I can then open up the appropriate ports on *that* system to provide access from the outside world but if someone breaks in they won't be able to see anything much except that machine and a couple of routers. My question is about what private IP address ranges to use, currently they're as follows:- 2820n - 192.168.1.1 This has *everything* hanging on it, backup NAS, family computers, media boxes, etc. Speedtouch - 192.168.13.254 2820n WAN - 192.168.13.65 (assigned by Speedtouch DHCP) New dmz computer would be added to this LAN Would it be worth changing things around so that the Speedtouch LAN is 192.168.1.x (the almost universal default for home LANs) and the 2820n one is 192.168.13.0, or even 10.0.0.0 or 172.16.0.0 so that an intruder is less likely to guess that there's another LAN to look for? I know this is 'security by obscurity' to some extent but it's no effort really except some minor configuration changes to some static addresses and DHCP servers so if it offers any advantage it's probably worth doing. -- Chris Green

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Is there a better 'locate' anywhere?
by Chris Green 16 May '14

16 May '14

Does anyone else find that 'locate' does all the wrong things for them? It's not that it's incapable of doing what I want but the defaults seem to be set up to be purposely the opposite of what I actually need it to do. The defaults for 'find' on the other hand are almost exactly what I want to do when searching for files. When you give 'locate' a name to search for it finds everything with that string of characters in it, this nearly always results in zillions of hits I don't want. However 'find' only finds exact matches unless you specify an RE explicitly. Yes, I know that you can tell 'locate' to find only exact matches but the default is wrong for me. Secondly 'locate' searches the whole file system, I very rarely want to do this especially as there are incremental backups which produce dozens of near identical hits. With 'find' I can specify (have to specify in fact) the root of the search which again is nearly always exactly what I want to do. In this case it's much more difficult to make 'locate' work the same way as 'find' because you'd have to rebuild the database (I did do that once but my changes got lost in an upgrade I think). So, is there an alternative out there that works (by default preferably) like 'find' but uses a pre-built database like 'locate' so is reasonably fast? -- Chris Green

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FTP server with compression for large text files
by Mark Rogers 16 May '14

16 May '14

I need to set up an FTP server to host fairly large text files (.CSV). At the FTP client level these need to be uncompressed but I'd like to reduce server disk requirements by using compression. I guess I could either do this at a file system (FUSE) level or transparently within an FTP server, assuming there is an FTP server that can do this. Anyone got any experience with this or suggestions? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Scrap IT kit
by Laurie Brown 13 May '14

13 May '14

Hi all, Does anyone on the list know of a company in East Anglia that buys scrap IT kit? Servers, desktops, routers, that sort of thing. I've got quite a lot to clear, and I don't really want to give it to the Council! Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG] What am I doing wrong?
by mark fernandes 11 May '14

11 May '14

But the mailing list page does point to this About.com page on setting various clients to plain-text http://email.about.com/od/netiquettetips/qt/When-In-Doubt-Send-Plain-Text-E… HTH, Mark

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Why do apache2 and leafnode need /etc/hosts configured with a FQDN?
by Chris Green 10 May '14

10 May '14

I have just moved dnsmasq from one machine to another, the machine I moved it from was only running dnsmasq so it was a bit of a waste of electricity and configuration maintenance. I'm now running dnsmasq on the machine where I also run apache2 and leafnode. Both leafnode and apache2 were perfectly happy before the dnsmasq move, they got a FQDN from dnsmasq presumably as there was nothing in the local /etc/hosts. Since moving dnsmasq to the same machine as leafnode and apache2 I've had to add a line:- 192.168.1.4 chris.zbmc.eu to my /etc/hosts, just chris won't do, even though dnsmasq delivers a correct FQDN with just chris. It's as if leafnode and apache2 go direct to /etc/hosts first. It's hardly a big deal but it just seems wrong somehow, why don't apache2 and leafnode use 'the proper channels'? -- Chris Green

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What am I doing wrong?
by Paul Lenton 10 May '14

10 May '14

Hi all, Every time I send a message to the ALUG list I get a bounceback saying that my message is awaiting moderation for a "suspicious header". Am I adding anything funny into my emails that is causing this? Cheers -- Paul GitHub - EckoZero https://github.com/eckozero Registered Linux user #557339 https://linuxcounter.net/user/557339.html

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Memtest86 always reports bad ram on a specific motherboard
by Srdjan Todorovic 10 May '14

10 May '14

Hi all, I've inherited an old Dell PowerEdge desktop, with 3GB DDR2 RAM in modules of 1GB. Naturally, I ran Memtest86 from one of the Ubuntu CDs. With all 3 RAM modules, memtest fails at approximately 50% of the whole test, at approximate offset of 128MB (40,000++ errors). I then tested each of those RAM modules in isolation, same result. I ran the test of 1 module in a different slot, same result. I then took one of my old DDR2 modules, and tested that in isolation, same result. I have no reason to suspect that my old DDR2 module is faulty. I ran memtest with that module some time ago in an old motherboard and had no issues. The ram was stored in an anti-static bag, but maybe it's possible for that old RAM module to get zapped in storage. Could it be possible that the RAM controller on the motherboard is partially damaged? I have ubuntu running on this machine, and so far no detectable problems. Could it be that memtest86 itself has a bug or cannot execute the tests correctly? >From what I remember, all the BIOS settings relating to RAM are set to auto, but even so the BIOS beeps at me on bootup saying that the memory configuration is not optimal. I am trying to decide if it's worth keeping it for an experimental box or just salvaging workable parts and recycling the rest. Thanks! Srdjan

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Any WordPress experts here - need help selecting a plugin
by Chris Green 10 May '14

10 May '14

I'm adding what is effectively a membership database to a WordPress site, there are a couple of special requirements:- 1 - The members can be individuals or organisations. An organisation member will have the organisation details - Name, address, phone, etc. - plus the ability to add up to five named individuals with simple details for each. 2 - It's a paid for membership so there will be a PayPal button for both individual and organisation membership, we obviously don't want to enter details for someone who hasn't paid. The PayPal buttons can have a 'Take customers to this URL when they finish checkout' option so this could be done by having a separate commit for the input form. The actual data for a member is pretty standard, nothing beyond Name, Address, E-Mail, Phone, etc. Looking for 'membership' or similar on the WP Plugins site pulls up hundreds of plugins all aimed at giving multi-level access to the web site which isn't what we need at all. So, any ideas anyone? I'm happy to customise an existing plugin, I can code in PHP reasonably well, but the more off-the-shelf it is the better of course. It feels like a good club membership database plugin would do but I can't find one in the morass of website membership plugins. -- Chris Green

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