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by RICHARD FLETCHER 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

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Re: [ALUG] Just signed up
by Ewan Slater 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

Hi, Thanks for all the responses. I'll try and get to one of the pub meetings in May or June (work/travel permitting) and will be intermittently lurking on IRC, with the imaginative handle of ewan_s Cheers, Ewan On 22 April 2013 12:00, <main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk> wrote: > Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > main-owner(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Just signed up (mick) > 2. Re: Just signed up (Steve Engledow) > 3. Re: (no subject) (Wayne Stallwood) > 4. (no subject) (RICHARD FLETCHER) > 5. Re: (no subject) ( (Ted Harding)) > 6. Re: (no subject) (mick) > 7. Re: there are two binaries, one works one does not > (Peter Alcibiades) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:32:38 +0100 > From: mick <mbm(a)rlogin.net> > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Just signed up > Message-ID: <20130421123238.79e6a425(a)gate.rlogin.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:58:09 +0100 > Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> allegedly wrote: > > > On 19 Apr 15:43, Ewan Slater wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just joined the list and I was wondering if and when there are > > > any face - to - face meetings of the group, and/or key - signing > > > sessions? > > > > The usual monthly meetings are as per the website: > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > > > Basically, 2nd Thursday in Norwich and 3rd Monday in Ipswich. > > > > If there's any other time/place you want to meet it's worth throwing > > out to the list to see if there's any interest. > > Hi Ewan and welcome. > > As far as key signing goes, you can probably do that at a pub meeting. > > Mick > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > blog: baldric.net > gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >

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there are two binaries, one works one does not
by Peter Alcibiades 22 Apr '13

22 Apr '13

The binary that works is in the home directory. The one that does not is in usr/local/bin. The Qt5 libs are in /opt. The error message from running sigil is this: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Widgets.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I am guessing that somehow the path of the sigil command is wrongly set and so it cannot see the file, which is really there? But the other thing I can't understand is why the compile and installer should have apparently installed binaries in /home? Or is the installation process first to compile, and then to move the bits into the right places, and this has not happened? On the other hand, the sigil binaries are where they should be, so the qt5 libs should be also. What the world needs is a Debian maintainer for sigil! Any volunteers? Al

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by RICHARD FLETCHER 21 Apr '13

21 Apr '13

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Re: [ALUG] Just signed up
by Steve Engledow 21 Apr '13

21 Apr '13

----- Forwarded message from mick <mbm(a)rlogin.net> ----- Hi Ewan and welcome. As far as key signing goes, you can probably do that at a pub meeting. Mick ----- End forwarded message ----- Welcome to ALUG, Ewan. As Mick said, key signing does indeed happen occasionally at pubmeets so come down to one some time. We're generally very unorganised though and have to go look up how to do key signing every time :) We're all experts, honest. It's also worth getting onto IRC at some point to say hi. We're on irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Steve

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Just signed up
by Ewan Slater 21 Apr '13

21 Apr '13

Hi, I've just joined the list and I was wondering if and when there are any face - to - face meetings of the group, and/or key - signing sessions? Also, is anyone based in the Halesworth area? Cheers, Ewan

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stumbling around with sigil...
by Peter Alcibiades 21 Apr '13

21 Apr '13

OK, finally solved the problem with QT5, though without being really clear what worked or why. It did finally compile and installed itself politely in /opt. Now there is another puzzle. The problem was to install and run sigil. Which is a very nice package indeed if you want to edit epub books.Very nice. Unfortunately you have to compile it from source. They do not do binaries, and if they have as hard a time as me with it, I can understand why. The problem is that entering the command sigil in a terminal produces an error to the effect that libQt5 widgets is not found. However, the binary is installed in my home directory in a sigil folder, and if I execute this binary it works just fine. If I look in the /opt sigil directory, qt5widgets is indeed there. So how do I change the command so that it calls the binary that works? There must be a file someplace that has all these commands in it, but where? Al

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Re: [ALUG] Looking up IP address via DNS
by Mark Rogers 19 Apr '13

19 Apr '13

On 18 April 2013 10:16, Mark Rogers <mark(a)more-solutions.co.uk> wrote: > I need a way to do a DNS lookup of an IP address that returns the IP > address. I have managed to solve this in two ways, in case anyone is interested. First: $ dig @8.8.8.8 192.168.1.1 +short $ dig @192.168.100.5 192.168.1.1 +short 192.168.1.1 It turns out that Google's DNS doesn't give an answer when queried for an IP address, but my own office DNS (dnsmasq) does. So controlling the DNS server gives me a solution. Secondly though: I found a way to bypass the braindead behaviour in the unit, and although it's messy it works, so none of the rest of this matters any more! -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Looking up IP address via DNS
by Mark Rogers 18 Apr '13

18 Apr '13

I'm working with a brain dead system, so bear with me... I need a way to do a DNS lookup of an IP address that returns the IP address. I can control the DNS server, and/or possibly apply a suffix to the IP address. The reason is that I have an industrial unit that will accept a hostname (for FTP purposes) but if I enter an IP address it fails, and this appears to be because its DNS lookup of that address is failing. The unit should have Internet access and I can set the DNS server to whatever I like, so one option would may to run my own DNS server that when queried for "192.168.1.1" returns the IP address "192.168.1.1". That pre-supposes that the unit isn't already detecting that "192.168.1.1" is an IP address, not doing a DNS lookup, but then failing for some other reason (where it does not fail if I use a name which looks up to that IP). A "better" solution is probably to apply a suffix, so instead of entering "192.168.1.1" I enter "192.168.1.1.example.com" [1] where the DNS for "example.com" will return the IP address. That way I know that the unit will be forced to go through a DNS lookup and is more likely to just work. I'd just need some guidance on setting up BIND or some other DNS to achieve this. Any ideas? The "best" option would be to get the manufacturer to fix their product but it turns out that the best options aren't always available :-( [1] Just for clarity: the user enters the IP address and I have no control over what address they'll enter. In my code I then detect that it's an IP address rather than a hostname (probably just checking whether the last character is numeric would suffice), and appending ".example.com" before passing to the FTP handling code. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) 21 Drakes Mews, Milton Keynes, MK8 0ER

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Qt5 again...
by Peter Alcibiades 17 Apr '13

17 Apr '13

I have found one of the files, what I don't know how to do is put it into the path.... Al

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QT5 compile errors
by Peter Alcibiades 17 Apr '13

17 Apr '13

This is the error I am getting:- Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5Core" with any of the following names: Qt5CoreConfig.cmake qt5core-config.cmake Add the installation prefix of "Qt5Core" to CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH or set "Qt5Core_DIR" to a directory containing one of the above files. If "Qt5Core" provides a separate development package or SDK, be sure it has been installed. I am trying to compile and install Sigil from source. Anyone know specifically how to do what its asking for? Like what to put in what file? Al

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[ALUG Announce] 3rd Monday Monthly Ipswich Social Meeting : The Mulberry Tree
by samwise 14 Apr '13

14 Apr '13

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Third Monday" ALUG Ipswich Social Meeting is back tomorrow, 15th April, at 20:00: The Mulberry Tree 5 Woodbridge Road IPSWICH IP4 2EA Tel: 01473 225776 Map/Directions URI: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=IP4+2EA WWW: https://www.facebook.com/MULBERRYHOSPITALITY The Mulberry Tree, previously known as The Milestone Beer House, is a grade 2 listed building in the centre of Ipswich. It is located at the intersection between Woodbridge Road and the A1156, across the road from the old Odeon cinema and not far from the Regent Theatre. It re-opened on Thursday March 29th 2012 after a major refurbishment, under its original name of The Mulberry House and has already begun to regain a good reputation for its selection of beers and ales. It has a sizeable car park to the rear of the building. All are welcome, novices and experienced users. Feel free to ask for further information on the Main ALUG mailing list. I should be arriving at 20:00 - hope to see some of you there! Cheers, Peter. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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USB 2.0 to ethernet adaptors
by mick 11 Apr '13

11 Apr '13

Hi all Does anyone have any experience of using USB 2.0 to ethernet adaptors? Ignoring the apparently magical ability to get more than 280 Mbits/s of adaptors advertised as "USB 2.0 to gigabit ethernet", what is the realistic maximum throughput anyone has experienced with such devices, and on what architectures? I am considering options for building a very small, low powered in-line F/W and some of the devices I am looking at only have one ethernet port (but often two or more USB ports). Any and all advice (up to and including "don't be silly, do it properly") happily accepted. Cheers Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- blog: baldric.net gpg fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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What does group 199528447 mean
by Chris Walker 11 Apr '13

11 Apr '13

Having dutifully followed advice and backed up my NAS drive using rsync, I have formatted the NAS and now want to write the contents of the rynced drive back to the NAS. But it gives me lots of 'Permission Denied' errors. I thought I'd re-created the NAS as it was but that's done through a web browser so I might well have screwed it up but it seems to be working, albeit that I can't now write to it. So once and for all, I'd like to fix the problem so that in the future, I can read and write files to the NAS without experiencing permission errors. I tried to find the cause of this error on google but it only returns one result and that's no help at all. I then looked at the groups configuration GUI on the machine but there are no groups numbered above 500 so how come this one is saying 199528447? If it helps, the user number is the same. So where do I start with trying to fault find this?

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Running commands at boot
by Chris Walker 11 Apr '13

11 Apr '13

I run some software called RPCEmu (http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/) and I want to run networking on it. I've setup networking on the emulator and also on my linux box. But I have to run the commands each time. These are the commands, run as root :- iptables -I FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING --source 172.31.0.0/16 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_dynaddr=1 How do I run them each time I switch on the machine so that they're run as root? Any help appreciated.

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[ALUG Announce] ALUG Norwich Pub Meet Thursday 11th April
by Viperfang 08 Apr '13

08 Apr '13

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Hello Norwich Aluggers, Our monthly ALUG Norwich social meeting will be held this Thursday, 11th April at The Coach and Horses (82 Thorpe Road, Norwich, NR1 1BA). The meeting officially starts at 8pm, although some people may arrive earlier. More information on those people can be found on the list and the IRC channel. If you are unsure if you will recognise us then make yourself and your intent to attend known by either posting on list or visiting us on IRC so we can look out for you rather than hiding in the corner. Optionally you could ask at the bar if they know where the geeky computer weirdos are and they'll point you in the right direction (seriously!). Another possibility is look for heaps of electronics on a table that may possibly look like movie props that would used for detonating explosives. Feel free to bring electronics/laptops/gadgets to the meet, you will by no means be alone. Ben Bewick aka Viperfang NB: This mail is automated, please refer to the usual sources for more information. ALUG Contact Details: Website : http://www.alug.org.uk/ IRC : #alug on irc.alug.org.uk List : http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo Twitter : http://twitter.com/anglianlug Identica: TBA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2381613902 ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Dropbox alternatives, was Re: Diagnosing high X CPU usage
by Mark Rogers 07 Apr '13

07 Apr '13

On 2 April 2013 16:31, MJ Ray <mjr(a)phonecoop.coop> wrote: > > Owncloud, either with your own storage (it can use lots) but I don't > remember if anyone does loss-leader offers like the free 2GB for it > yet. Following a link from OwnCloud's website, I find that OwnDrive.com do a free 1GB account. However, I have looked at OwnCloud (briefly) a long time ago so I thought I'd have another look at it, using my own server to host it. I decided to go with the install from the OpenSuse Build Farm repositories (onto Ubuntu 12.04), since that takes care of updates. However: $ sudo apt-get install owncloud [...] The following extra packages will be installed: autoconf automake autotools-dev binutils cpp cpp-4.6 gcc gcc-4.6 libc-dev-bin libc6-dev libltdl-dev libmpc2 libmpfr4 libquadmath0 libssl-dev libssl-doc libtool linux-libc-dev m4 manpages-dev php-pear php-xml-parser php5-dev php5-sqlite shtool zlib1g-dev That's a lot of dependencies that I wouldn't expect? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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git usage
by Chris Green 04 Apr '13

04 Apr '13

I have lots of scrappy little bash and python scripts that live in ~/bin. I have been trying to keep tabs on them using git but I don't seem to have a good strategy for doing this yet. Should one:- 1 - Have a separate 'development' directory where one mucks around with the scripts and keep that directory under git. Then, when tested copy the script to ~/bin. 2 - Simply put ~/bin under git. The second approach is much easier in some ways and most of the scripts are pretty trivial (but easier to test when in their proper place). ... and/or are there any git commands/tools to help one do this? -- Chris Green

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Diagnosing high X CPU usage
by Mark Rogers 04 Apr '13

04 Apr '13

According to "top", /usr/bin/X is using between 30% and 60% of my CPU (and can go higher). this is on an AMD A6-3670 (quad core) system running Kubuntu (13.04 beta), and my new nVidia G210 graphics card with proprietary drivers. I had the same problems with the onboard GPU in 13.04 and 12.10 before it. Eg: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 1357 root 20 0 321m 207m 49m R 48.9 1.3 214:58.86 Xorg Why would X CPU be so high, and what can I do about it? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Re: [ALUG] old tat going free
by Anthony Anson 02 Apr '13

02 Apr '13

On 02/04/13 20:29, mick wrote: > On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 16:45:42 +0100 > Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> allegedly wrote: >> I expect to be at the next Norwich meeting > > I've never attended and so don't take much notice of the event > notifications. When and where is the next one? Ah. Do you see any regular attenders? Until my GP gets my beta blockers sorted so that I'm not nearly passing out from time to time, I'm not safe behind the wheel. IIRC, you live near Syleham? That's a bit far to bike. How often do you get into Norwich? I'm sure The Tea House near the bottom of Elm Hill would accept a small parcel. Obviously, I'm not in any hurry. /snip/ >>> Allows equipment with SCART or phono outputs to plug in to a >>> TV or aerial socket Direct channel selection /snip/ >> Thanks - sounds right up my street! (If you still have it...) >> > > Yes, and you can have that too. Many thanks. -- Tony http://www.girolle.co.uk/

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Open/Libre Office and docx
by Bev Nicolson 02 Apr '13

02 Apr '13

I've been finding that opening MS docx files with Libre Office makes the formatting go ever so slightly awol. Is there another office program I could use that doesn't have this problem? Bev.

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2600 meeting at 18:00 on Friday the 5th April.
by Viperfang 02 Apr '13

02 Apr '13

Quick heads up about this months Norwich 2600 meeting, more info at http://www.norwich2600.co.uk

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Network printing
by Chris Walker 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

I got fed up with the Huawei router that Talktalk supplied, and wanting to have network printing I bought a Buffalo ADSL router. That has a USB port on it to enable network printing. But I can't make it work. According to the stuff I've looked at, it should be as simple as finding the IP address of the router and configuring the printer to be that address. I know the IP address of the router, it's 192.168.1.1 but I can't get beyond that. Where am I going wrong? Can anybody help please? If it helps, I'm not running ddwrt which is one of the options. When it came to the initial setup of the router, I chose to keep things simple as I was having to copy settings from the Huawei.

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Basic (I think!) Python problem
by Mark Rogers 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

I'm a programmer, but I'm not a Python programmer, yet. So I'm sure what I'm doing wrong here relates more to my lack of knowledge than anything else... I'm looking at a Websockets example here: http://eventlet.net/doc/examples.html#websocket-server-example On my Ubuntu system I have tried: sudo apt-get install python-eventlet (which installs Eventlet 0.12.1, which appears to be the current version) I then try to run the example and get: $python eventlet.py Traceback (most recent call last): File "eventlet.py", line 1, in <module> import eventlet File "/home/mark/python/eventlet.py", line 4, in <module> from eventlet import wsgi ImportError: cannot import name wsgi If I Google the error, using the assumption that stupid errors are made by lots of people so I won't be alone, I find only two hits neither of which are remotely related. But I've tried this on more than one system without success. Suggestions? I don't have the relevant build tools installed to try using easy_install instead but as 0.12.1 is the latest version I don't think the install method is the problem here? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Recommended "entry level" nVidia graphics card
by Mark Rogers 25 Mar '13

25 Mar '13

I have a PC with on-board ATI HD-6530D. The motherboard is less than a year old, but apparently this is far too old for AMD/ATI to still support the chipset so proprietary drivers don't exist for it. I'm using the FOSS drivers (which would be my preference anyway) but I'm having issues in X that are causing it to die one way or another every day or so. The research I've done so far suggests that I have two options: give up half my life to working out what's going on, or accept it and move on. With the latter option in mind, that means I want to buy a cheap PCI-X video card, but I'd like to get one that's at least as "good" as the HD6530D. And for reasons of lack of support I'd like to avoid AMD/ATI. That pretty much means nVidia (unless someone tells me they're just as bad?). Any recommendations? No gaming, so just responsive desktop graphics, and reliable under Linux. (I'm on Kubuntu 13.04 (beta) at the moment, which I upgraded to in part to see if it improved things, which it didn't.) Aside: I did manage to install the ATI drivers and it did seem better, albeit with an "unsupported hardware" logo permanently on my screen, which it may be possible to get rid of. But I didn't stick with it long enough to see if it really made things better. If nVidia/ATI are as bad as each other then I'd consider either brand's card that's currently supported if it's cheap enough, especially if it's reliable under the FOSS drivers. I was sure that AMD made some moves to open sourcing their drivers, but I must have dreamed it? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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