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Re: [ALUG] How do people here manage updates (or not)?
by Bev Nicolson 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

FWIW.(Maybe not much but anyway...) Yes, it would be helpful if the Ubuntu update dialogue box gave more information about what was being fixed (when there is something to fix.) Mildly ironic given how user friendly it is. For relative newbie like myself the tech speak is not helpful so unless it actually looks useful I don't install it. On the other hand, most of the time you don't have to faff about configuring anything as it does it for you, although there are exceptions. I have had to venture into apt (with assistance) to get a program I wanted installed. Bev. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Srdjan Todorovic" <todorovic.s(a)googlemail.com> > To: "ALUG ML" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [ALUG] How do people here manage updates (or not)? > Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:27:37 +0000 > > > On 05/11/2007, Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 09:45:59AM +0000, Chris G wrote: > > > Is there a distribution which offers pretty close to latest versions > > > of everything when it releases but then just maintains things with > > > only security updates and such until the next release? > > > > I believe that is the goal of most of the Enterprise versions out > > there... > > But Slackware's been doing this for ages. Also, doesn't Ubuntu do > this already? > I can't believe that Fedora Core would not have this capability. > > What I've found frustrating with Ubuntu (well, Kubuntu really), is > that when doing updates, there is very little information about what's > been fixed. Adept just > doesn't seem to list the security CVE codes. Maybe I've missed it and need > better glasses. Don't know much about Fedora's update mechanisms. > > Srdjan > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Compiling backages for Debian-based distros
by Mark Rogers 05 Nov '07

05 Nov '07

I'm still trying to get my head around the correct way to configure a typical source tarball installation to fit into the Debian way of doing things. The best I've found so far is: ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc \ --sharedstatedir=/var --localstatedir=/var \ --libexecdir=/usr/lib Does all that look correct? The general idea is that if I want to try and build a replacement .deb for an existing package, using a more up to date source tarball, then I want all the files to end up in the same places as would have been the case for the original package. (For all the documentation I've found, the best so far was an answer to a similar question on a dbus mailing list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2006-September/005618.html) For the time being I'm only looking at i386 packages but I think the only thing that would change for 64-bit would be /usr/lib to /usr/lib64? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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How should my hostname *really* be configured?
by Chris G 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

I have a CNAME record in the zone file at the hosting provider that hosts isbd.net so that home.isbd.net has the address 84-45-228-40.no-dns-yet.enta.net which is my home machine (via ADSL). So far so good, it all does basically what I want so that I can 'ssh home.isbd.net' and log in to my home machine and http://home.isbd.net in a browser gets to see the apache web pages on my home machine. However I still don't seem to have the 'local' setup fully sorted, i.e. how do I get things on my local intranet to work totally correctly? As it is things work but there are some 'infelicities'. In particular apache when it starts up has the message about "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name ...." and I'd like to know the proper way to get the result of 'hostname' to be right. My home network is behind a router and most machines have static IP addresses in the 192.168.1 range, the router is set up to allow ssh and http through (with limitations). In my /etc/hosts file I have:- 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6 192.168.1.1 home home.isbd.net 192.168.1.5 garage 192.168.1.10 chris 192.168.1.40 netpr 192.168.1.44 hp7310 HPEDDBB7 HP000D9D068F7D 192.168.1.254 speedtouch Searching in google suggests that I need to add my proper hostname (i.e. home.isbd.net) to the 127.0.0.1 line in /etc/hosts but that sounds like it's incompatible with the 192.168.1.1 line. I want to end up in a situation where:- /bin/hostname returns 'home' (as opposed to home.isbd.net, so that my prompts and window titles are sensible) home.isbd.net is a valid address on my local network and connects to the linux server machine There are no complaints from apache (or others) at startup -- Chris Green

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mount conundrum
by Chris G 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

Maybe I've got too involved in this and need to leave it for a while but I'll ask anyway..... A per the lvm thread I now have a whole new disk that has been lvm'ed. I think I probably want to move all my home directories and other such bits and pieces onto it. I.e. I will have one 'system' disk which has all the OS stuff on it and one 'data' disk which has home directories and anything else which is bascially data rather than programs (such as pictures, vmware guest images, etc.). So, how do I do it? If I create a /home directory on my root partition and then mount the new logical volume on /home it means that *everything* I create on that logical volume will appear as /home/<something>. That maybe alright for actual /home directories but doesn't make much sense for other stuff. Should I:- Split the new disk into more than one Logical Volume? Use lots of symbolic links? Stop drinking so much wine? I'm stopping now, doing things as root when I'm even slightly inebriated is probably not a good idea. :-) -- Chris Green

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How to use pvcreate?
by Chris G 04 Nov '07

04 Nov '07

OK, so I have cleared everything off my /dev/sda (except, presumably, the MBR) and all is well still, Fedora still boots and my Windows guest virtual machine is still working. How do I now set up /dev/sda using LVM? As I understand it the sequence is to create a Physical Volume using pvcreate, then a Logical Group that uses the Physical Volumes I have created and then I create a logical volume in the Logical Group. The problem is that I don't understand how you tell pvcreate what disk it is to use. The 'synopsis' on the pvcreate man page says:- SYNOPSIS pvcreate [-d|--debug] [-f[f]|--force [--force]] [-y|--yes] [-h|--help] [-t|--test] [-v|--verbose] [--labelsector] [-M|--metadatatypetype] [--metadatacopies#copies] [--meta- datasizesize] [--restorefilefile] [--setphysicalvolumesizesize] [--version] [-Z|--zeroy/n] PhysicalVolume [PhysicalVolume...] Which doesn't seem to give much clue as to what disk it uses, PhysicalVolume is (as I understand it) the name that pvcreate gives to the chunk of disk you want to use, so what disk does it use? -- Chris Green

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Some PDF printer jobs just hang (CUPS)
by Chris G 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

I have two printers on at home. both networked, an HP7310 which has its own network interface and an HP1320 which is networked via an old Axis print server. Most of the time they work fine with Word documents from Maxine's XP machine or my XP Vmware guest and documents from my Fedora box, etc., etc. However I'm having trouble printing some PDF documents, sometimes PDF prints OK and other times it just hangs leaving CUPS telling me that the job has been "Processing since ......". It even starts feeding paper on the HP7310, then stops. I *think* this may be on more complex printouts, e.g. when I have selected part of a PDF page to print but I'm not absolutely sure. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem might be? -- Chris Green

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Show the BBC that more than 600 GNU/Linux users try to use their web sites
by MJ Ray 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

I think this below is a good idea. Please leave a comment saying how often you try to use BBC web sites (I forgot) and don't feel pressured into donating to the hosting company if you don't want to. To: london(a)lists.greenparty.org.uk, fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:49:15 +0000 From: Tom Chance Message-ID: <5929a53b6c2c6514d68d6686dac25b0f(a)acrewoods.net> Subject: [Fsfe-uk] GNU/Linux users - sign petition to say you use BBC web site! Hello there, The BBC's head of technology is claiming that only about 400-600 people use GNU/Linux to access the BBC, as part of their PR excercise glossing over how badly they've got it wrong with their M$-only iPlayer (see http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1721229 and for background see http://tom.acrewoods.net/blog/2007/aug/bbc-corrupted-iplayer-protests-uk). If you've used GNU/Linux to access the beeb, can you sign the petition below? Please circulate widely. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/linuxbbc Kind regards, Tom _______________________________________________ Fsfe-uk mailing list Fsfe-uk(a)gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk -- MJ Ray http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html tel:+44-844-4437-237 - Webmaster-developer, statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, consumer and workers co-operative member http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ - Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/

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Re: [ALUG] CSS problem
by David Reynolds 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Matt, On 1 Nov 2007, at 10:19 pm, mephi wrote: > That's great thanks, I have one more question... > I want to put some kind of cell padding into the table > 'moduletable', as the > output on the page looks like: > > HomeNewsDev Blog > > And I'd like: > > Home News Dev Blog > > How would I add this in? I would do this by adding width to the td cells #headerMenu td { width: 200px; } You may want to fiddle around with the width to get the desired affect. Thanks, Dave -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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CSS problem
by mephi 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Ok, this isn't directly Linux related but I know that there are some very knowledgeable people out there. I've got some CSS code I'm having trouble with. I am building a template for a Joomla based site, and the output of one section looks like this: <div id="headerMenu"> <div class="moduletable"> <table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1"> <tr> <td nowrap="nowrap"> <a href="link1.php" class="mainlevel" id="active_menu">Home</a> <a href="link2.php" class="mainlevel" >News</a> <a href="link3.php" class="mainlevel" >Dev Blog</a> </td> </tr> </table> </div> </div> I've got the CSS for the headerMenu looks like this: #headerMenu { float: left; padding: 0px; margin-right: 0px; width: 941px; height: 26px; background: url(../images/AdellionMenu.jpg) no-repeat; font-family:arial, helvetica; font-size:12px; font-weight:bold; } What I want to do now is give a colour to the links within the table. I've tried: #moduletable{ mainlevel { A:link {color:#F7D4B6;} A:visited {color:#F7D4B6;} } } And: #moduletable.mainlevel { A:link {color:#F7D4B6;} A:visited {color:#F7D4B6;} } } And: #moduletable#mainlevel { A:link {color:#F7D4B6;} A:visited {color:#F7D4B6;} } } And: #mainlevel { A:link {color:#F7D4B6;} A:visited {color:#F7D4B6;} } None of which seem to work... Can anyone see where I'm going wrong? Matt

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Apache access conundrum
by Chris G 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

I'm trying to restrict apache access to some areas of my home machine, so I have added the following sections to the httpd.conf file:- <Directory /var/www/html/chris> AllowOverride None Options None Order Deny,Allow Deny from all Allow from 192.168.1 193.128.168.194 AuthType Basic AuthName "ISBD Home Server" AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/conf/passwd Require valid-user Satisfy Any </Directory> <Directory /var/www/html/maxine> AllowOverride None Options None Order Deny,Allow Deny from all Allow from 192.168.1 193.128.168.194 AuthType Basic AuthName "ISBD Home Server" AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/conf/passwd Require valid-user Satisfy Any </Directory> The /var/www/html/maxine section works perfectly, I can access it without any hassle from home machines (192.168.1) and from work (193.128.168.194), plus if I access it from elsewhere I am asked for a password and, if entered correctly, I get access. However the /var/www/html/chris section doesn't work at all. From work I just get "You don't have permission to access /chris/ on this server." and from elsewhere I'm asked for a password but after entering the password I just get the 403 again. So what can possibly be the difference? The permissions down the tree from /home are the same for both. I'm stumped. Ah, *maybe* it's because it's looking for permission to view the directory at /var/www/html/chris, I'll check. -- Chris Green

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