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a small light at the end of the tunnel
by tom potts 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Re: Printing JPG and GIF files - what's the simplest way?
by Keith Watson 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

> From: Chris Green Sent: 01 July 2005 13:33 > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 01:21:16PM +0100, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > I have my printer drivers installed in CUPS and > everything else uses > > > those by selecting printer Oj for the Officejet and Lj for the > > > Laserjet. Gimp seems to send postscript to the printer > even though > > > I selected one of my CUPS printers, that's a bit brain dead. The > > > Gimp doesn't seem to have drivers for my (pretty > standard) HP printers. > > > > What printers? (model numbers please) and which distro? > Printing can > > be "fun" sometimes so there is an element of stabbing in > the dark with > > the info you gave us so far :) > > > Slackware 10.1 with CUPS. > > Printers are an HP7310 and an HP1060 (I think). I have the > HPLIP drivers installed for the printers and they work well > in general. > I can print with no problems from firefox for example, it's > just that I'm having trouble getting these .GIF and .JPG > files to print so they look sensible on an A4 sheet of paper. Have you installed GimpPrint? I have a completely non-standard (as far as Linux is concerned) Canon S400 and I use CUPS and GimpPrint and its always worked straight out of the box (bet you really wanted to know that :o) ). Do you have OpenOffice installed (or anything with a decent Word Processor)? A technique I've often used is to open a blank document and then imported an image into it, then just printed the page with the image. It's a useful technique that I've used successfully under Windows, Unix and Linux at various times (assuming that you can print ok from the WP software). Regards, Keith ____________ Even before I can say it, it is no more. - Sengai

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"Relay" of FTP?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

Hi Folks, Here I go trying to break the rules again .. or am I? When I dial-up, my "gateway" machine gets an IP address which I can find out. So, from outside, I can telnet, ftp etc. to my gateway. If I want to telnet to one of the machines inside my LAN, I could first telnet to the gateway, and then from there to any of the others. A bit cumbersome, but not a problem. However, if I want to FTP to one of my internal machines, it's much more cumbersome: first FTP to the gateway, then telnet to the gateway and from there FTP to the desired machine. I'm wondering if there's some sort of protocol for getting directly to an "internal" machine (whose IP address is not known to the Net) by a kind of "relay" via the gateway (whose external IP address is known to the net). There's an analogy in Internet mail, whereby you can force mail to aa.bb.cc.dd to be routed via AA.BB.CC.DD, by addressing to @AA.BB.CC.DD:user@aa.bb.cc.dd (so-called "routing addresses). So can I, for instance, do something like telnet @213.130.142.61:192.168.0.7 (where 192.168.0.7 is the address of a machine on my private LAN, and 213.130.142.61 is an IP address my gateway waas recently given on dialup)? And, similarly, something like ftp @213.130.142.61:192.168.0.7 ?? Or is there a different way to do it? Or no way at all? When I try the above on my LAN, e.g. telnet @192.168.0.7:192.168.0.1 I get "Aborted", and telnet 192.168.0.7:192.168.0.1 gives me 192.168.0.7:192.168.0.1: Unknown host and similarly "Name or service not known" with FTP, so presumably I've got the details wrong above, if it's possible at all. But you get the idea ... With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-Jul-05 Time: 21:34:12 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Greatings Everyone
by Peter Bassill 03 Jul '05

03 Jul '05

Hey all Just a quick hello. Ive just moved back to Norwich after a few years away and am looking to find my local lug. Hopefully I will see you all at your next meeting. See you all soon. Pete Bassill

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MS settles with IMB
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 02 Jul '05

02 Jul '05

Hi Folks, I read today: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-1677235,00.html that MS have agreed to pay IBM $775 to settle claims going back to the 1990s. In particular they are related to a case against MS by the US Givet that its practices caused the demise of IBM's OS2 operating system. I recall that, in 1990-91 (i.e. before Linux came on the scene), I got seriously interested in OS2 as an OS for the IBM PC that offered functionality similar to the capabilities of Unix (which, already having experience of, I was eagerly looking for on the PC, being frustrated with the limitations of DOS and disgusted with the marshmallow experience of early Windows -- pink, sugary, squodgy, of no nutritional value, nauseating in large quantities, and liable to adhere tackily to whatever you were trying to do). Then, of course, came Linux; and, personally, I've never looked back. But I think the worlds of both serious and consumer computing were deprived, when OS2 sank, of what would probably have become a great OS. Ironically, at that same time (1991) I also learned of the existence of the MS project for Windows NT -- yes, it goes back that far! This, too, seemed as if it might offer Unix-like capabilities, and was another thing I was keeping an eye on in the hope that the PC would be enabled to yield the performance that its hardware was capable of. For some reason, however, it was many years before NT became generally used, and then mainly in "the background" in the corporate and institutional sector. It's satisfying, after all these years, to learn that IBM is (in effect) vindicated; but depressing all the same to be aware that a promising initiative had died so early on. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 02-Jul-05 Time: 09:19:26 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Is this for real ?
by Wayne Stallwood 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print Check out items 40 downwards for maximum amusement This one is a classic. "60. Perens posted Internet messages on LWN.net stating to Linux and OSS members that “Merkey works for SCO,” and that “Merkey should be placed in a file of people to be killed”. Merkey has not or ever worked for SCO or the Canopy Group." Is the US legal system so broken now that you have to be careful using terms such as killfile. Other classics include "46. The beheading and murder of United States Citizens in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and other countries have been videotaped, converted to MPEG and other images for viewing on the public Internet through the use of OSS and Linux software and computer technology developed and purloined by Linux and OSS members and illegally exported from the United States. 47. Companies which sponsor, endorse, and support OSS and Linux, and those acting in concert as their advocates have been unwitting participants in wholesale technology theft of United States developed technology and sponsors of domestic and international terrorism. "

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Re: Re: Printing JPG and GIF files - what's the simplest way?
by Keith Watson 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

> From: Chris Green Sent: 01 July 2005 15:17 > > > > Do you have OpenOffice installed (or anything with a decent Word > > Processor)? A technique I've often used is to open a blank document > > and then imported an image into it, then just printed the page with > > the image. It's a useful technique that I've used > successfully under > > Windows, Unix and Linux at various times (assuming that you > can print > > ok from the WP software). > > > Well I hate to say it but the easiest option was to load the > pictures into Visio in Windows and print from there. Simply > worked 'out of the box' with no hassle. Much in the same way > that printing from Firefox on Linux works, that seems to > manage the handling of getting things the right size by > default so why can't other applications do so well? I take it that Firefox wasn't an option for you in this case (I forget the beginning of this thread :o) )? Regards, Keith ____________ Stand still. - The trees ahead and the bush beside you are not lost. - Albert Einstein

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Printing JPG and GIF files - what's the simplest way?
by Chris Green 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

I have some GIF and JPG files (they're maps of wine producing areas in France) that I want to print. What's the easiest application to use to do this? All I want is for the image to be scaled to the best size to fit a sheet of A4 paper, no other manipulation is required. When I just opened the file from the xfce file manager using the default application it opened with ImageMagick, it looked perfect on screen but when I selected print the printout was displaced so that only half of it was printed. The orientation was right, it was just shifted down. I couldn't find any way to set up the printout in ImageMagick. I'm not even sure what sort of ImageMagick is being invoked - almost as bad as Windows! Then I tried opening the file with the Gimp and printing it, even more disastrous, the Gimp did its own thing and simply sent Postscript to the printer and thus produced nothing useful at all except lots of wasted paper. My printers seem to be set up right for everything else on my Linux box, why did the Gimp not get that right? I have many Gnome and KDE applications installed even though I use xfce for my desktop so I probably have most of the usual things people might suggest. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Desktops
by Peter Hunter 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Hi everyone, Two questions that I know you can all answere for me! I have just installed Suse 9.2 pro, and for a change I decided to install and run Gnome, but I don't like it too much and want to go back to KDE. I have installed KDE from the suse DVD but how do I now change desktops? Maybe I should download the latest version of KDE first and install and run that? Anyway, that's the first question. The second is, if I download the latest Kernal, how do I install and run that? Oh, just one other, how do I re-boot the GUI without having to re-boot the computer? Many thanks. I await the flood of replies (Pleaseeeeeeee!!) Peter

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