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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

> Main cause of problem was ignorance about how WINS and DNS work, > probably. <fx action=" clenches fists and repeats "I will say nothing, I'll say nothing"> Sorry :o) Something to do with the same way some of us aren't born with silver spoons, I unfortunately wasn't born with the knowledge of TCP/IP protocols and software oozing from my pores. ;) Seriously david - you must stop dissing me for asking about things I'm ignorant of. I was computer illiterate until three years ago, am now 37 and way past my best learning prime, didn't have such a beast as a computer in school (no, we had to do cookery and sewing), and think I'm piecing stuff together not too badly considering. If you don't feel you want to answer my questions, I don't expect that, but believe me, i spend a lot more time looking around for information on the net and in books than i do asking alug questions. If i have completely ground to a halt or feel a pointer in the right direction will help, then i'll ask - isn't that what a user group is for? OK, there could be a few hundred books out there that will supply me with the same information but m,y time and financial resources are extremely limited. The very fact I didn't know that what was with the wins and dns stuff is what stopped me going to look it up in the first place (if you follow). I tried, I floundered, I asked, the penny dropped, I tried some more and i succeeded. (New latin motto...?) Jen.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by MJ Ray 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > Perhaps the idea of the newbie mailing list isn't such a bad idea, although > one wonders when a question stops being a newbie one and becomes a > non-newbie one.......? Oh, I think while we're quite tolerant here, it'll all work nicely. It's easier for non-newbies to help newbies than newbies to help newbies, if that makes any sense. The intolerant or just plain overwhelmed can join alug-announce now. Anyone else want to write items for that (unedited) "newsletter"? I'll copy any articles which appear on the web site to it. > I compared learning linux to baking a cake for the first time with no > recipe book and no idea what any of the little ingredient packets are the > other day. awww ;-( And I thought the ingredients lists were enough... > >Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect > I gave up on pine (can explain Sun if u like) and installed mutt instead. > Many thanks all. Take me quietly to one side on sunday and have a word in > my ear about list protocol if I'm out of order on the gossip front. Nah, just keep it clear on who's speaking where, unless it's you. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by MJ Ray 15 Jun '01

15 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now, proudly. Oh, I'd've suggested Postilion, as I've been using that to good effect recently. > Mark - I'm coming on Sunday with probably this debian box and a bit of > co-ax, and maybe also a laptop and a broken pcmcia. Well, a UTP/RJ45/whatever the new sort are called today would be more use, unless someone has a converter. I can't allow non-UEA machines directly onto the university network. I can only connect them via the firewall machine. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

Main cause of problem was ignorance about how WINS and DNS work, probably. Did a crash course yesterday. I'll try and do a write-up. Still got to finish the one on networking. It's hard to explain sometimes. >Now for an encore how about a kernel recompile.[1] Oh, *that*! I did that at lunchtime. Just looking at pine - downloading the files on my linux box now, proudly. Mark - I'm coming on Sunday with probably this debian box and a bit of co-ax, and maybe also a laptop and a broken pcmcia. Cheers, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config NO-prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Jun '01

14 Jun '01

Everyone! Today I have acheived getting Samba running AND getting the networking on the linux sorted, so I am currently beaming at TRX850 shares on the windows network neighbourhood browser, and lynx www.alug.org.uk on the linux box. Thanks for all the help on this. Can't believe it! Wooohoooo! I still can't send mail or receive. Is there a mail client other than balsa that i can run from cli? I think the fact we use Lotus notes for our domain mail isn't so good. Jenny.

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NEWS round up - Important news for any one who cares.
by David Freeman 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

As many of you who read Slashdot will know, corporations and, under the command of corporations, Governments, are trying there best to stiffle freedom. And the latest internatinal treaty could make things even worse. RMS sums up the details at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/hague.html Couple this with the international cybercrime treaty. And also the RIP and private security industry act, we are in trouble. In a single ray of hope, the EU is investigating the pricing and regional encoding of DVD's, The australian government has also begun an investigation into DVD region encoding and New Zealand has made it illegal. Thats the news for this week. ---- Now for something completely different. Fun sites to view The support group for people used by microsoft http://i-want-a-website.com/about-microsoft/ And even more bazaar http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/ Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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humph [that was traceroute DNS thread]
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

That's put paid to that flurry of activity; one of our routers has just been replaced and now i can't ping/telnet or traceroute outside the network from win or linbox. (!N). Funny how the web and external email are still working. Outside my jurisdiction though. Thanks for help, though - pennies are slowly dropping. Ta for the info on the packages thing, as well, Mark. Jenny

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Re: [Alug] online services in Norwich question
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Mark, which country do you live in? We didn't elect a new governement > last weeek, the cooperations did, so what if BT is a monopoly, so what > if microsoft is a monopoly, they are spending lots of money and I can't > afford to piss them off. No matter what under the current system we are > screwed. If they were all cooperatives, things would probably be a lot better around here. Anyway, BT is a monopoly and Microsoft wants to be one. Both should be slapped back by government at every opportunity and made to behave legally. These days, we have to look to the EU to enforce these laws, which is a great shame, while our own government cheerfully helps to launch "Office xp" and screw more money out of UK business for a US corporation. See the stuff about the UK Government Gateway on uk.comp.os.linux for more of this sort of thing. It's probably off-topic here now. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by MJ Ray 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > >Install the "dnsutils" package. > Gorgeous, thanks There's a bit on debian's web site http://www.uk.debian.org/ which will find out which package a given file is in. Or you can use "dpkg -S filename" on a system which has it installed, but that can be a catch 22... > DNS is disabled, WINS server is enabled, above address. Do I have to > handle this differently? I'm not sure, but you probably need to give it a working DNS. Maybe nameserver 139.222.1.5 is visible from outside UEA still? Or try your ISP's settings. Or get a local DNS. ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] basic routing/config prob for mail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

>Install the "dnsutils" package. Gorgeous, thanks >if you get the reply >www.alug.org.uk A 209.61.182.158 No, I get "a record cannot be found" >then your DNS resolver is working, if not you will have to look at why >name resolution is broke. (oh yeah this will only work if your lan can see >the internet) DNS is disabled, WINS server is enabled, above address. Do I have to handle this differently? Lan can indeed see internet Thanks for the help, all - perhaps I can show gratitude in the form of McVities Choc Digestives on Sun.

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