On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 11:23:11PM +0000, Syd Hancock wrote:
On Monday 24 Mar 2003 10:27 pm, Adam Bower wrote:
Well you need to get some momentum, if you take the attitude that you have a run of bad meetings so things won't get better then giving up isn't much good to anyone. If you think that we no longer need venues as there is no Alug you are very very wrong.
Errmm, I don't think I said either of those things :-)
As I have already pointed out this is not aimed directly at you, I am answering the question about forking things, and replying to your suggestion that nobody is listening because they don't reply here. The other thing I am getting at is the replies that I know would turn up about a week after your message, don't think they are aimed at you, just venting frustations In advance. Anyhow the whole point being that when an Alug event is arranged you will find that at least 2 or 3 times as many people will turn up than actually acknowledge it on this list. (yes i know that 2 x 0 = 0 ;))
I was saying that sometimes I wonder if it is worth posting information and offers of help if there is no response. Hence my 'wry smile' when I see people saying that we need more venues and events organised! Is that clearer now? (And that is *not* meant as sarcasm, honestly).
Hmmmm, I still think you are very much mistaken. more venues and meetings are exactly what we need at the moment. So what if only 4 people turned up for the first 6 months, at least others on this list would feel that something was happening and hopefully they would turn up too. This has been my experience in the past that when people see regular meetings being held then things pick up a bit overall.
If you really feel it is not worth taking the trouble then why mail the list and say so?
Oh, I was just feeling a bit frustrated and irritated that's all. See previous paragraph :-)
You and me both.
Of course, start something and make it happen. I would be very interested.
Well, it's not 'of course' at all because previous suggestions have been totally ignored! But it is encouraging to get at least one positive reaction at last.
They wouldn't have been ignored by me but were for reasons that I have already explained, you also said that MJR didn't ignore them, again if you organise I think you will find people will majically appear out of the wordwork. Just because they don't post on a mailing list doesn't mean they don't agree with you...
The other main problem is that lots of threads about doing and organising anything (I just realised how formal "organise" sounds) end up getting tacked on as a sub thread for something else. You will find that Alug is actually quite active on the "organising meetings" front just maybe not on this list out in the open atm. There will be a post from me soon to this list to work out exactly what is happening and when for the rest of the year and a couple of other bits (note soon means the next week or so) and when that is finalised I will perhaps write some kind of "press release" for people to distribute to related newsgroups/mailing lists/posters in the local library etc.
Adam